Kobe's Mount Rushmore is bang on

[Derivative]

his mount rushmore is probably the best out there.

Jordan: GOAT.
Magic Johnson + Larry Bird: Greatest with regards to their position, created a rivalry and dominated the decde, brought the NBA back from near death.
Bill Russell: Greatest winner in NBA history

[MichaelCorleone]

I agree with that Mt. Rushmore

MJ
Magic
Bird
Russell

Top 4 GOAT no question.

[ImKobe]

I agree with that Mt. Rushmore

MJ
Magic
Bird
Russell

Top 4 GOAT no question.

Liar, you'd have Lebron & Goran in your Mt.Rushmore

[fpliii]

I agree with that Mt. Rushmore

MJ
Magic
Bird
Russell

Top 4 GOAT no question.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Agreed, but Bron will replace Bird after this year.

[fpliii]

Liar, you'd have Lebron & Goran in your Mt.Rushmore
Damn, combo breaker already.

[MichaelCorleone]

Liar, you'd have Lebron & Goran in your Mt.Rushmore
My favorite players =/= my Mt. Rushmore :facepalm

[no pun intended]

I still can't believe LeBron named Oscar Robertson instead of Bill Russell in his Mount Rushmore...

[BlazerRed]

Agreed, but Bron will replace Bird after this year.
With 2, maybe 3 finals losses? :facepalm

[ImKobe]

I still can't believe LeBron named Oscar Robertson instead of Bill Russell in his Mount Rushmore...

Oscar could stuff the stat sheet like Lebron, it's only right for him to put his idol on his Mt.Rushmore.

[Derivative]

I still can't believe LeBron named Oscar Robertson instead of Bill Russell in his Mount Rushmore...

yea thats pretty retarded. oscar is not even top 10 all time

[BlazerRed]

I still can't believe LeBron named Oscar Robertson instead of Bill Russell in his Mount Rushmore...
Pretty stupid..

[MichaelCorleone]

Agreed, but Bron will replace Bird after this year.
Not maybe not this year, but surely after he retires.

[Derivative]

Oscar could stuff the stat sheet like Lebron, it's only right for him to put his idol on his Mt.Rushmore.

makes sense :coleman:

[Im so nba'd out]

LOL @ BIRD IN OVER KAREEM :roll:

[Derivative]

LOL @ BIRD IN OVER KAREEM :roll:

Bird is a better PLAYER than kareem, he single handedly brought the celtics to relevance in the 80s and dominated as the BEST player on the team and league

[MichaelCorleone]

LOL @ BIRD IN OVER KAREEM :roll:
Kareem isn't even top 5 all time, he sure as hell ain't getting his face chipped into a damn mountain.

[BlazerRed]

LOL @ BIRD IN OVER KAREEM :roll:
:confusedshrug:

[FlashDwyaneWade3]

Kobe might be a rapist chucker, but this dude is smart, his mount rushmore is probably the best out there.

Jordan: GOAT.
Magic Johnson + Larry Bird: Greatest with regards to their position, created a rivalry and dominated the decde, brought the NBA back from near death.
Bill Russell: Greatest winner in NBA history
Kobe ain't no rapist.

[ImKobe]

Bird is a better PLAYER than kareem, he single handedly brought the celtics to relevance in the 80s and dominated as the BEST player on the team and league

Kareem did win a Finals MVP at 38 going against prime Bird. 26 ppg on 60% shooting in the Finals against Boston :applause:

[Derivative]

Kareem did win a Finals MVP at 38 going against prime Bird. 26 ppg on 60% shooting in the Finals against Boston :applause:

2 finals mvp out of 6 rings, carried for most of his career

[GovernmentMan]

Kareem isn't even top 5 all time, he sure as hell ain't getting his face chipped into a damn mountain.

Kareem has a stronger argument over Bird as Top 5

[MichaelCorleone]

Kareem has a stronger argument over Bird as Top 5
No he doesn't.

[Derivative]

Kareem did win a Finals MVP at 38 going against prime Bird. 26 ppg on 60% shooting in the Finals against Boston :applause:

and he never scored 26 ppg on 60% at age 38, wut a liar

[MichaelCorleone]

2 finals mvp out of 6 rings, carried for most of his career
This.

Carried by a rookie Magic ffs.:facepalm

[GovernmentMan]

2 finals mvp out of 6 rings, carried for most of his career

Kareem deserved Finals MVP in 1980. Would have won it if he didn't get injured for game 6

[Derivative]

Kareem deserved Finals MVP in 1980. Would have won it if he didn't get injured for game 6

Magic had way higher assists than KAJ, had almost same amount of rebounds, shot a higher %, and had more assists

[MichaelCorleone]

Kareem deserved Finals MVP in 1980. Would have won it if he didn't get injured for game 6
You can't change history. You can't change facts.

FACT: Kareem has ONLY 2 FMVPs. He's no better than Lebron James.

[ImKobe]

and he never scored 26 ppg on 60% at age 38, wut a liar

He did against Boston in the Finals to win the FMVP :confusedshrug:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01/gamelog/1985/#161-166-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs

[Im so nba'd out]

You can't change history. You can't change facts.

FACT: Kareem has ONLY 2 FMVPs. He's no better than Lebron James.
bird only has 2 finals mvp so he still shouldn't be on it using your logic

[PostUpFreak]

He did against Boston in the Finals to win the FMVP :confusedshrug:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/abdulka01/gamelog/1985/#161-166-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs
dat 17 rebounds

[Im so nba'd out]

2 finals mvp out of 6 rings, carried for most of his career
i hate people like you.

[ImKobe]

bird only has 2 finals mvp so he still shouldn't be on it using your logic

But because he won 2 Finals MVPs and 3 rings he's better than Kareem. How dare Kareem win 3 more rings without a Finals MVP in them. That should totally take away from Kareem doing exactly what Bird did + a lot more.

[MichaelCorleone]

bird only has 2 finals mvp so he still shouldn't be on it using your logic
Depends on the context of how many rings.

Bird: 2 FMVPs out of 3 rings

Kareem: 2 FMVPs out of 6 rings :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ImKobe]

dat 17 rebounds

30 points 17 rebounds 8 assists 3 blocks at 38 years old in the Finals. Followed by 26 points 14 rebounds 7 assists 2 steals & blocks the next game. The man was 38 years old.

[PostUpFreak]

30 points 17 rebounds 8 assists 3 blocks at 38 years old in the Finals. Followed by 26 points 14 rebounds 7 assists 2 steals & blocks the next game. The man was 38 years old.
he played 79 games that season? :eek:

[ImKobe]

Depends on the context how many rings.

Bird: 2 FMVPs out of 3 rings

Kareem: 2 FMVPs out of 6 rings :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Wow, Kareem on top of doing what Bird did won 3 more titles? Wow, Kareem shouldn't even be in the top 10.

Hakeem > Kareem because he won 2 FMVPs out of 2 rings
Dirk > Kareem because he won 1 FMVP out of 1 ring

Great logic :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[ImKobe]

he played 79 games that season? :eek:

The man is a legend for a reason, he only played less than 70 games in a season once out of 20 seasons :applause:

[PostUpFreak]

Wow, Kareem on top of doing what Bird did won 3 more titles? Wow, Kareem shouldn't even be in the top 10.

Hakeem > Kareem because he won 2 FMVPs out of 2 rings
Dirk > Kareem because he won 1 FMVP out of 1 ring

Great logic :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
i think u shud put him on ignore homie

[AnaheimLakers24]

op isnt a fgt

[ImKobe]

i think u shud put him on ignore homie

Yeah why not, he's been posting one horrible take after another and he's running on his 3rd alt in the last month :facepalm

[PostUpFreak]

The man is a legend for a reason, he only played less than 70 games in a season once out of 20 seasons :applause:
GOAT longetivty,same with bean

[bdreason]

I know most of you are trolling, but it's embarrassing how little respect Kareem gets.

[bdreason]

And Kobe's Mt. Rushmore is pretty good. If you're talking about accomplishments + talent + overall effect on the league. Russell is the legend. Bird and Magic took the game mainstream. MJ (and Nike) took the game global.

[GovernmentMan]

You can't change history. You can't change facts.

FACT: Kareem has ONLY 2 FMVPs. He's no better than Lebron James.

You said he got carried. He didn't get carried. He was the FMVP of that series.

Rings:
Kareem >> Bird
FMVPs:
Kareem = Bird
MVPS:
Kareem >>> Bird

[russwest0]

Lol @ LeBron ever making it in over Kareem

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[BoutPractice]

His choices are perfectly defensible, there's no right answer anyway. I have the same except with Duncan instead of Bird (but Bird is not far behind).

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LOL at the tards in this thread saying Kareem isnt better than Bird.
Get the fck outta here with your blatant BS.
Also Wilt is better than anyone on Kobes Rushmore so it sucks bigtime:coleman: :coleman:

[brownmamba00]

kareem was droppin 26/10/5/1/2 on 60% on birds/mchales ass in 1985 and he was 38

he should be on that mt rushmore no doubt

[DMV2]

And Kobe's Mt. Rushmore is pretty good. If you're talking about accomplishments + talent + overall effect on the league. Russell is the legend. Bird and Magic took the game mainstream. MJ (and Nike) took the game global.
I actually like Kobe's Mt. Rushmore because of the reasons you just posted. It doesn't mean those 4 have to exactly represent the Top 4 greatest of all-time.

[jlip]

Kareem deserved Finals MVP in 1980. Would have won it if he didn't get injured for game 6
:applause:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=301909


Magic had way higher assists than KAJ, had almost same amount of rebounds, shot a higher %, and had more assists
:facepalm

Kareem- 33.4ppg 13.6rpg 3.2apg 4.6bpg 54.9fg%
Magic- 21.5ppg 11.2rpg 8.7apg 2.7spg 57.3fg%

Not only does Kareem clearly win the statistical argument for the Finals. Those who actually saw the 1980 Finals know that Kareem had insane clutch performances during the Finals and easily should have won the FMVP. Magic is my all time favorite player, but he won as the result of the "prisoner of the moment" syndrome.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why are people acting like this is "Top 4 GOAT no Question" like fpliii for example?

LMFAOO @ Bird over Kareem :roll: I mean, why even have Magic over Kareem? Laughable. And Wilt was a flat out better basketball player than Russell, BY FAR. Russell is severely undermatched against him offensively.

No amount of titles can change the fact that Wilt is a better basketball player.

In fact, I wouldn't put Magic, Bird or Russell in my Top 4... well maybe Magic.

Jordan
MOTHFKN KAREEM
Wilt
Magic
....

What's Bird's Case over Shaq? Shaq is a better defender, peak scorer, 2-way player, more dominant, higher peak, longer prime&longevity, better statistically....

Don't see it. Shaq > Bird. I said this in a previous thread, I see plenty of arguments for Duncan over Bird, especially looking at Bird's poor runs from 1980-1983 and 1987-1992 in the playoffs... he literally gave you a nice 4 year run from 1984-1987, and outside of that it was filled with choke jobs and 40% shooting.

[Nash]

So Russell cried himself into peoples Mount Rushmore?

[DMV2]

So Russell cried himself into peoples Mount Rushmore?
Kobe said it hours before the All-Star. Russell voiced is opinion against LeBron's choices during the All-Star halftime.

[ArbitraryWater]

So Russell cried himself into peoples Mount Rushmore?

I love it. Dude is overrated.

Wherever they talk about him, people either have Russell Top 3-5 or even GOAT.. "cannot forget Russell"... um

[WillC]

Out of all the current and ex-NBA players, the person whose opinion I'd value the most is Chris Webber's. He has a real passion and knowledge about NBA history and has interviewed some of the greatest players of all-time (Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, etc).

I'd be very curious who Webber has on his 'Mount Rushmore' of NBA greats.

[WillC]

In history teaching, Cambridge University's Christine Counsell (2004) proposed that we should use the '5Rs' to determine the historical significance of past people and events. I have adapted these below:

Remarkable - He was remarked upon by people at the time
Remembered - He was important at some stage in history and well remembered today
Resulted in change - He had consequences for the future
Resonant - People like to make analogies about him and comparisons
Representative - He represents some other aspect of historical significance.

Based upon the above - and it's worth noting that I change my mind regularly - I'd probably go with the following:

- Firstly, we have the most obvious selection to the NBA's Mount Rushmore: Michael Jordan. MJ was remarkable for his athleticism, remembered for his intensity and dominance, resonant as a measuring stick for every player that followed, resulted in change to the NBA's hand-checking rules, and represents global capitalism and the Americanisation of cultures across the world.

- I personally think it's impossible to leave Bill Russell off the list. He is well remembered - the Finals MVP award is named after him for a reason. His team success was truly remarkable. He represented a shift in opinion about the black sportsman and was the first black coach in American sports history.

- Next up we have Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He was remarkable for his combination of size and skill, remembered for his scoring records and longevity, resonant as a dominant big man, resulted in change to the NCAA anti-dunking rules and representative of a post-Martin Luther King politically-charged America.

- The final player etched into the stone of the NBA's Mount Rushmore should be Larry Bird. His all-around ability was remarkable and readily accessible for future generations thanks to endless YouTube tribute videos. He will certainly be remembered as the greatest white player of all-time, all the more astonishing given his relative lack of athleticism. He represented every rural kid in America with basketball hopes and dreams.