The NHL and why it sucks

[D-FENS]

1. They're all just Canadians, eh?
http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_PlayerNationalities.php
Though the amount of Americans and other nationalities are increasing, this is still a sport that is dominated by Canadians.

If we consider there to be 690 active players, 23 active players per team (I had to Google this) x by 30 teams (really? 30 teams?).
So an approximate breakdown would be:

Canada has 399 NHL players and a male population of 17,150,000
Likelihood of becoming an NHL player 0.00002326531

United States has 154 NHL players and a male population of 150,720,000
Likelihood of becoming an NHL player 0.00000049045

Europe has 159 NHL players and a male population of 173,376,000*
Likelihood of becoming an NHL player 0.00000044020
*I only added the populations of European countries that have an active NHL player

If you're a Canadian you are 23 times more likely than an American to be an NHL player, and 25 times more likely than a Euro to be an NHL player.

Why is this?


2. Hockey participation
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-595-m/2008060/t-c-g/c-g10-eng.htm
In 2005, approximately 26% of Canadian males were active in hockey.

In 1998, approximately 1.4% of American males were active in hockey.


3. Climate
All of Canada is cold as f*ck and there's nothing to do in winter but slip around on ice. Might as well put skates on.
The US has a range of climates, and people have more options available to them year round.


4. Availability
- Hockey is damn expensive. Only the middle class to wealthy can afford enough ice time for their kids to be successful.
- Basketball and football (soccer) only require a ball and a hoop or even a wall. You can also play by yourself very easily. Socio-economic status has nothing to do with your chances of being a professional.


To sum up, no one other than Canadians and US people living in cold states really give a f*ck. I have a lot of experience in Toronto, and I can picture a city that in 50 years time has even more immigrants that are too poor to afford ice time. These kids come from football (soccer) and basketball loving countries. I can see the Raptors being more popular than the Maple Leafs in 50 years time.

Personally, I can't stand the sport. All the players are stupid white jocks between 5'11" and 6'4" - it's impossible to see the puck, and it's only loved because there's nothing else to do in Canada.

Share your hockey thoughts in here.

P.S. I didn't watch the hockey game today - I have seen about 3 games in my life.

[MMM]

dunno about basketball overtaking hockey in Toronto. Lot of the ethnic groups love hockey btw cus it is all they show on Canadian sports programing. ****ing **** even canceled court surfing :mad:

[MightyWhitey]

1. They're all just Canadians, eh?
http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_PlayerNationalities.php
Though the amount of Americans and other nationalities are increasing, this is still a sport that is dominated by Canadians.

If we consider there to be 690 active players, 23 active players per team (I had to Google this) x by 30 teams (really? 30 teams?).
So an approximate breakdown would be:

Canada has 399 NHL players and a male population of 17,150,000
Likelihood of becoming an NHL player 0.00002326531

United States has 154 NHL players and a male population of 150,720,000
Likelihood of becoming an NHL player 0.00000049045

Europe has 159 NHL players and a male population of 173,376,000*
Likelihood of becoming an NHL player 0.00000044020
*I only added the populations of European countries that have an active NHL player

If you're a Canadian you are 23 times more likely than an American to be an NHL player, and 25 times more likely than a Euro to be an NHL player.

Why is this?


2. Hockey participation
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/81-595-m/2008060/t-c-g/c-g10-eng.htm
In 2005, approximately 26% of Canadian males were active in hockey.

In 1998, approximately 1.4% of American males were active in hockey.


3. Climate
All of Canada is cold as f*ck and there's nothing to do in winter but slip around on ice. Might as well put skates on.
The US has a range of climates, and people have more options available to them year round.


4. Availability
- Hockey is damn expensive. Only the middle class to wealthy can afford enough ice time for their kids to be successful.
- Basketball and football (soccer) only require a ball and a hoop or even a wall. You can also play by yourself very easily. Socio-economic status has nothing to do with your chances of being a professional.


To sum up, no one other than Canadians and US people living in cold states really give a f*ck. I have a lot of experience in Toronto, and I can picture a city that in 50 years time has even more immigrants that are too poor to afford ice time. These kids come from football (soccer) and basketball loving countries. I can see the Raptors being more popular than the Maple Leafs in 50 years time.

Personally, I can't stand the sport. All the players are stupid white jocks between 5'11" and 6'4" - it's impossible to see the puck, and it's only loved because there's nothing else to do in Canada.

Share your hockey thoughts in here.

P.S. I didn't watch the hockey game today - I have seen about 3 games in my life.

I am certainly going to share your racist thread with the ish admins. Stupid white Jocks? Really? Nazim Kadri, PK Subban, Spencer,,,they're not white. But it's ok. I'll make sure your topic is read by the admins.

[mr.big35]

Hockey is popular in cold states like minnesota. no one wants to talk about the red wings here in detroit

[Gabi]

Everything you said in this thread can be replaced with basket instead of hockey and Americans instead of Canadians.

[Gabi]

Hockey is popular in cold states like minnesota. no one wants to talk about the red wings here in detroit

Red Wings are more popular than the Pistons if I am not mistaken. Red Wings has one of the highest attendance for the last years.

[NuggetsFan]

To sum up, no one other than Canadians and US people living in cold states really give a f*ck. I have a lot of experience in Toronto, and I can picture a city that in 50 years time has even more immigrants that are too poor to afford ice time. These kids come from football (soccer) and basketball loving countries. I can see the Raptors being more popular than the Maple Leafs in 50 years time.

Popularity seems to be increasing. It's more popular worldwide than football obviously and hangs with basketball. Finland, Sweden, Russia, Czech Republic etc. Tons of countries have there own leagues from Norway to Germany. Obviously nowhere near the NHL but the KHL is really popular in Russia.

People care about it. As for the Leafs/Raptors shows your lack of knowledge. Leafs are probably the most popular NHL team. That's like saying the Ducks are going to be more popular than the Lakers. Even if there terrible everybody in T.O still watches and follows them.


Personally, I can't stand the sport. All the players are stupid white jocks between 5'11" and 6'4" - it's impossible to see the puck, and it's only loved because there's nothing else to do in Canada.


Which is interesting because the amount of off ice trouble vs the NBA/NFL is insane. Hockey players make far less money, don't get into anywhere the same amount of trouble. They seem far more like regular people than NBA stars. As for stupid I don't really know, NBA players are placed above normal people more so coming up.


Share your hockey thoughts in here.


Some of what you said is true. Hockey is climate based and expensive to play which holds it back. However aren't NHL selling out more arenas than the NBA recently? Hockey's on the up an up. I probably like basketball better but in terms of leagues like how the NHL isn't as individually marketed. The fast paced, physical nature is exciting too.

That being said I argue for basketball/NBA vs NHL/hockey fans. Don't know why people can't enjoy the sport for what they are. I don't like baseball so I don't concern myself with it.

[D-FENS]

Everything you said in this thread can be replaced with basket instead of hockey and Americans instead of Canadians.

And no hockey does not suck just because America is the best in the sport.

That's BS. Look at the list of nationalities in the NBA. Look at how basketball is played around the world globally.

[NuggetsFan]

Hockey is popular in cold states like minnesota. no one wants to talk about the red wings here in detroit

Which is weird because Detroit has been deemed "Hockey Town" as it's nickname and suppose to have a rapid fanbase. People go to more hockey games than basketball as well :confusedshrug:

http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusnhlexperts/NBANHLATT.jpg

[NuggetsFan]

That's BS. Look at the list of nationalities in the NBA. Look at how basketball is played around the world globally.

Finland
Sweden
Russia
France
Italy
Norway
Slovakia
Switzerland
Ukraine
UK

All have professional leagues. Finland, Russia, Sweden having pretty popular ones. NHL has more Russians, Swedes, Fins for example than the NBA would.

[NuggetsFan]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-selling-more-arenas-nba-225020461--nhl.html

Where I read about attendance. Not sure how accurate it is, just skimmed. Kinda surprising tho.

[Rake2204]

Hockey is popular in cold states like minnesota. no one wants to talk about the red wings here in detroitHmm, that's not the feel I've gotten over the years. Detroit fans loved the Pistons when they were making their title runs in the mid-2000's, but the Red Wings seem to have a status amongst fanatics and casual followers alike. Supporting the Tigers and Red Wings is a "cool" thing to do around my way.

Conversely, casual fans seem to be fed up with the Pistons, with each online update of their game results usually being met with a stream of comments all saying something along the lines of, "Who cares?" Of course, if the Pistons began winning again, I trust that bandwagon would open right up, but their dips seem to go lower than the Wings and Tigers.

[ImKobe]

Never been a much of a hockey fan, though I used to practice playing it when I was younger, but it never stuck with me, didn't have the passion for it.

[ROCSteady]

I love the NBA but the NHL is better in many ways including game day experience, intensity in both regular season AND playoffs.

[NuggetsFan]

12-13 for the NBA had a record tying 84 national players on the opening day rosters.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/10/30/international-players-on-opening-night-rosters/

The same season for the NHL had 63 players from Sweden. 44 from the Czech Republic, 29 from Russia, 30 from Finland, 12 from Slovakia and than almost 30 more players from countries like Germany, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria, Belarus, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, France, Lithuania, Norway, Latvia. Also had 218 US players compared to the what like 8 players from Canada in the NBA.

Obviously more roster sports so can't take those numbers too literal but the NBA is dominated by America much like Canada dominates the NHL.

[QuebecBaller]

Do you think a white Canadian could make the same kind of thread about American Football without being called a racist?

[hateraid]

I have points I'll share later but first question is how does this sum up that the NHL sucks?

[MMM]

the Cup finals since 08 have been some of the best championship series NA has seen in awhile.

Det/Pit twice
Bos/Chi
Bos/Van
Chi/Phi

most those series went 7 if i recall correctly with many intense close games. compared to yawner finals Mia/OkC, LAL/Orl, Cle/SAS

[Gabi]

That's BS. Look at the list of nationalities in the NBA. Look at how basketball is played around the world globally.


Dude, stop it. NBA had 84 foreign players 2012/13 including Canadians.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/10/30/international-players-on-opening-night-rosters/

That is less than 20% non americans.


I have points I'll share later but first question is how does this sum up that the NHL sucks?

I am still trying to figure that out. Canada has a strong hockey culture which is why they are spitting oput talent. That does not make the sport any worse just as the NBA does not get worse just because Americans have a lot of superstars.

[DukeDelonte13]

It's a great game, it doesn't suck just because you aren't into it. It is expensive to get into though, and it's even more expensive now than when i was playing.

Composite sticks came out my last two years of high school and weren't really popular. Now you can't find any wooden sticks.

we talking about going from 20 bucks to 150 bucks a pop. And those composites don't really much last longer than the wooden ones.

NHL players play with way more passion than a lot of NBA players do. Hockey also requires a full range of skill to be proficient at it, you can't just get by on size/athletic ability like you can in the NBA or NFL. If you didn't start playing hockey at a very early age you aren't doing anything significant.

[MightyWhitey]

Do you think a white Canadian could make the same kind of thread about American Football without being called a racist?
It's ok QuebecBaller. I already contacted the ish admins. I think you should as well. This topic was made to crap all over Canadians and white people and it should not be tolerated.

[Nick Young]

Hockey is a f*cking rich kid sport that only like 5% of the population can afford to play.

Stick, pads, skates, uniform, ice time, jesus christ you might as well have to be Donald trump to afford to get your kid the training he needs to reach the top, let alone play it casually.:facepalm

Can't believe Canadians think Americans actually care about this sport. Stop projecting yourselves on to us, Canada!

Michican, Vermon and Minnesota, these are the only parts of America that care about hockey half as much as you do.

[Frozen1]

I can

[NuggetsFan]

Hockey is a f*cking rich kid sport that only like 5% of the population can afford to play.

Stick, pads, skates, uniform, ice time, jesus christ you might as well have to be Donald trump to afford to get your kid the training he needs to reach the top, let alone play it casually.:facepalm

Can't believe Canadians think Americans actually care about this sport. Stop projecting yourselves on to us, Canada!

Michican, Vermon and Minnesota, these are the only parts of America that care about hockey half as much as you do.

Your such a bad troll. Not even smart enough to craft an agenda, atleast some of the others can actually drum up something to push.

People from America care. It's why some NHL teams sell out more games than NBA teams :confusedshrug:

Like any of this really matters tho.

[ROCSteady]

Yup one of the best things about hockey is how much more they lay on the line for their sport, particularly basketball. The NbA is much more nonchalant and apathetic than when you watch hockey

[lpublic_enemyl]

dunno about basketball overtaking hockey in Toronto. Lot of the ethnic groups love hockey btw cus it is all they show on Canadian sports programing. ****ing **** even canceled court surfing :mad:
love hockey, but i will only watch my team. Basketball i'll watch the raps plus any interesting match ups.oh and about court surfing :facepalm :banghead:

[ROCSteady]

Hockey is a f*cking rich kid sport that only like 5% of the population can afford to play.

Stick, pads, skates, uniform, ice time, jesus christ you might as well have to be Donald trump to afford to get your kid the training he needs to reach the top, let alone play it casually.:facepalm

Can't believe Canadians think Americans actually care about this sport. Stop projecting yourselves on to us, Canada!

Michican, Vermon and Minnesota, these are the only parts of America that care about hockey half as much as you do.

Transparent troll is transparent

[DeuceWallaces]

Red Wings aren't more popular when both teams are doing well. They probably still get beat in local ratings by the Pistons and they suck balls right now.

[Gabi]

Hockey is a f*cking rich kid sport that only like 5% of the population can afford to play.

Stick, pads, skates, uniform, ice time, jesus christ you might as well have to be Donald trump to afford to get your kid the training he needs to reach the top, let alone play it casually.:facepalm

Can't believe Canadians think Americans actually care about this sport. Stop projecting yourselves on to us, Canada!

Michican, Vermon and Minnesota, these are the only parts of America that care about hockey half as much as you do.

My brother plays hockey and I can agree that it is quite expensive for a lot of people the sticks which he needs several of and for 5-800 dollars I think and the skates which goes for 1,000-1500 dollars.

Other things that costs is all the tournaments out of the city where you pay 1500-2000 dollar because they get hotels and stuff for a week.

But hockey is the sport where you really appreciate the heart and intensity they play with.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

what bothers me about hockey is, it is nearly completely about physicality and speed. often they just tackle each other for like two or three minutes without doing anything else. a team barely completes more than 4-5 passes in a row without losing the puck again.
its just not nice to watch imo because while u have to be skilled to score and make a final pass most goals come from coincidences. its just not like other sports where you see beautiful passing, plays or tactics.
all you see in hockey is people rushing the floor in sonic speed and smacking each other around and suddenly someone forces a pass through to some guy for an assist or someone smashes a the puck on the goal and another player scores of a deflection.
hockey sucks:coleman:

[Nick Young]

Your such a bad troll. Not even smart enough to craft an agenda, atleast some of the others can actually drum up something to push.

People from America care. It's why some NHL teams sell out more games than NBA teams :confusedshrug:

Like any of this really matters tho.
LOL Canadians. Why do you have to try to convince yourselves that Americans care about Hockey? It's a niche sport with probably the same amount of American fans as Aussie Rules Football has.

You have to be rich as hell to play it and it is boring to watch.


OP you didn't even need to list the reasons why NHL sucks, all you really had to say was "It's ice hockey, nuff said."

[D-FENS]

Hockey is a f*cking rich kid sport that only like 5% of the population can afford to play.

Stick, pads, skates, uniform, ice time, jesus christ you might as well have to be Donald trump to afford to get your kid the training he needs to reach the top, let alone play it casually.:facepalm

Can't believe Canadians think Americans actually care about this sport. Stop projecting yourselves on to us, Canada!

Michican, Vermon and Minnesota, these are the only parts of America that care about hockey half as much as you do.

Vermon! :roll:

Look at the list of countries that NBA players currently come from:
Argentina
Australia
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Brazil
Cameroon
Canada
South Africa
Czech Republic
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Dominican Republic
France
Belgium
French Guiana
Martinique
Georgia
Germany
Great Britain
Iran
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Latvia
Lithuania
Mexico
Montenegro
Nigeria
Poland
Puerto Rico
Russia
Senegal
Serbia
New Zealand
Montenegro
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Tanzania
Turkey
Ukraine
U.S Virgin Islands
Venezuela

It's a global game. A lot of nations are still developing high level basketball programs, but they are catching up quickly. Basketball participation is growing in Canada, Australia, Great Britain and New Zealand - once participation grows, the number of high level competitors increases, and eventually they become coaches creating more high level players. Wait until Africa becomes more developed. Then we'll be talking about a hug influx of foreign talent.

The NBA is hugely popular in China, Africa (behind soccer), and is starting to grow in India. Hockey can never reach those markets and will never have talent from those areas.

In 50 years time, the NBA will be closer to a 50/50 split in terms of US & Canadian born to foreign players.

This year out of 300 NBA players, 92 are foreign. Guess what? There are more players waiting in Europe who are better than replacement level right now. The quality of talent there is better than the non-NBA league talent in the US. The players don't come over so they can be stars in their own countries and make more money - Rudy Fernandez being a prime example.

If money, fame and location were not a problem, you could switch all of the Eric Maynor's of the league with all of the Bo McCaleb's and guys like Vassilis Spanoulis' - the NBA would be probably over 50% foreign.

IN YOUR FACE.

MOre talented basketball players worldwide

[Nick Young]

Vermon! :roll:

Look at the list of countries that NBA players currently come from:
Argentina
Australia
Bosnia & Herzegovina
Brazil
Cameroon
Canada
South Africa
Czech Republic
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Dominican Republic
France
Belgium
French Guiana
Martinique
Georgia
Germany
Great Britain
Iran
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Latvia
Lithuania
Mexico
Montenegro
Nigeria
Poland
Puerto Rico
Russia
Senegal
Serbia
New Zealand
Montenegro
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Tanzania
Turkey
Ukraine
U.S Virgin Islands
Venezuela

It's a global game. A lot of nations are still developing high level basketball programs, but they are catching up quickly. Basketball participation is growing in Canada, Australia, Great Britain and New Zealand - once participation grows, the number of high level competitors increases, and eventually they become coaches creating more high level players. Wait until Africa becomes more developed. Then we'll be talking about a hug influx of foreign talent.

The NBA is hugely popular in China, Africa (behind soccer), and is starting to grow in India. Hockey can never reach those markets and will never have talent from those areas.

In 50 years time, the NBA will be closer to a 50/50 split in terms of US & Canadian born to foreign players.

This year out of 300 NBA players, 92 are foreign. Guess what? There are more players waiting in Europe who are better than replacement level right now. The quality of talent there is better than the non-NBA league talent in the US. The players don't come over so they can be stars in their own countries and make more money - Rudy Fernandez being a prime example.

If money, fame and location were not a problem, you could switch all of the Eric Maynor's of the league with all of the Bo McCaleb's and guys like Vassilis Spanoulis' - the NBA would be probably over 50% foreign.

IN YOUR FACE.

MOre talented basketball players worldwide
Thanks for helping to validate my point:cheers:

Hockey-no one plays it or cares

Basketball-the whole world plays it and loves it

[NuggetsFan]

LOL Canadians. Why do you have to try to convince yourselves that Americans care about Hockey? It's a niche sport with probably the same amount of American fans as Aussie Rules Football has.

You have to be rich as hell to play it and it is boring to watch.


OP you didn't even need to list the reasons why NHL sucks, all you really had to say was "It's ice hockey, nuff said."

Like I said your a bad troll. You completely ignored the attendance, what I've said about the amount of international players in the NHL vs the NBA. Those are facts, not opinions.

Doesn't much matter, atleast the other dude put together an agenda. You just say outlandish shit to get attention which posts like this give you.

[Nick Young]

Like I said your a bad troll. You completely ignored the attendance, what I've said about the amount of international players in the NHL vs the NBA. Those are facts, not opinions.

Doesn't much matter, atleast the other dude put together an agenda. You just say outlandish shit to get attention which posts like this give you.
Bruh. Get it through your head. The sport you're country is obsessed with is a niche sport in the US that no one gives a shit about. Congratulations you guys are so good at extreme curling, but there's no reason to try to pretend Americans care.

[NuggetsFan]

Bruh. Get it through your head. The sport you're country is obsessed with is a niche sport in the US that no one gives a shit about. Congratulations you guys are so good at extreme curling, but there's no reason to try to pretend Americans care.

I love basketball, the NFL etc. and would argue with NHL fans if the situation was reversed.

Why would a niche sport have better attendance in some areas? Why if only Canada cares would places like Sweden, Russia, Finland have professional leagues? How does a guy from Austria wind up in the NHL if nobody cares about it.

I'm not saying it's more popular than basketball. Just that it's pretty popular internationally and people in the US clearly enjoy it.

Learn how to troll "bruh" and continue to dance around the things I'm saying :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

I love basketball, the NFL etc. and would argue with NHL fans if the situation was reversed.

Why would a niche sport have better attendance in some areas? Why if only Canada cares would places like Sweden, Russia, Finland have professional leagues? How does a guy from Austria wind up in the NHL if nobody cares about it.

I'm not saying it's more popular than basketball. Just that it's pretty popular internationally and people in the US clearly enjoy it.

Learn how to troll "bruh" and continue to dance around the things I'm saying :oldlol:
Bruh no one likes hockey, deal with it and move on.

[NuggetsFan]

Bruh no one likes hockey, deal with it and move on.

Nothing to deal with. I don't like/dislike something based on what other people enjoy. NBA is probably always my #1 with a gun to my head but for the most part enjoy sports/leagues for the different aspects they bring to the table.

Great response tho. You should take some lessons from D-Fen. Scary how bad you are at trolling :oldlol:

[brandonislegend]

NHL is on the rise, especially with how soft the NBA/NFL is becoming

[Kungfro]

Rather then being a rich kid sport, I'd say it's more of a rural sport. Just about every small town in Canada has a hockey and/or curling rink, and I don't know that I would define any of the places I've been to as rich communities.

[brandonislegend]

The thing NHL has going for it.
#1 its still a contact sport unlike every other major sport
#2 there is barely any stoppage in play basketball (free throws every ****ing possession), football (have to move, place, measure the ball every ****ing play), baseball (boring as ****)

[travelingman]

Bruh no one likes hockey, deal with it and move on.

I would go as far as to say that your *implied* complete paucity of knowledge of hockey somewhat helps fuel your disdain for it.

[Nick Young]

Rather then being a rich kid sport, I'd say it's more of a rural sport. Just about every small town in Canada has a hockey and/or curling rink, and I don't know that I would define any of the places I've been to as rich communities.
pads, skates, stick, nets, how do you afford these things if you aren't a moneybags?

[D-FENS]

Why would a niche sport have better attendance in some areas?


In New York alone you have the following basketball options:
Brooklyn Nets
New York Knicks
Fordham
Manhattan
St Johns

Ice Hockey:
Rangers


You also have to take into account the quality of product. The Pistons stink right now, and ticket prices are reflective of this. The Red Wings are 5th in the East right now, and are constantly a good product. There will always be bandwagon fans. It's more informative to see attendance levels when times are tough.

[mlh1981]

I'm actually surprised at how popular it is here where I live in the Tampa/St. Pete area. I've gone to a handful of Lightning games, and the fans are really into it. Granted, half the crowd consists of Canadian snowbirds and people from northern states. I don't mind it, though I'll never be a fan like I am with the other sports.

[ROCSteady]

Bruh no one likes hockey, deal with it and move on.

I remember dem days when dudes were clowning you for drinking shitty beer and being involved with ugly, pasty English girl with a jacked up set of dientes.

Damn she looked like the Wolfman but shaved and fittingly, no exposure to sunlight. Musta lived out and about by moon only

Refrain frok bein a douche for that sole purpose only.

[NuggetsFan]

In New York alone you have the following basketball options:
Brooklyn Nets
New York Knicks
Fordham
Manhattan
St Johns

Ice Hockey:
Rangers


You also have to take into account the quality of product. The Pistons stink right now, and ticket prices are reflective of this. The Red Wings are 5th in the East right now, and are constantly a good product. There will always be bandwagon fans. It's more informative to see attendance levels when times are tough.

Fair points. I actually read an article that the Stanley Cup had more expensive ticket prices last year on average than the NBA finals. Not sure how accurate that is.

Non the less I never said the NHL was more important than the NBA. I said people care about it. People don't go watch the Redwings more than the Pistons if they don't care. If nobody outside of Canada cared than it wouldn't compete or even outsell in some cases. NBA crushes the NHL in TV ratings.

Detroit isn't 5 in the East either. There actually 8th and have 3-4 teams breathing down there neck 1 point behind. I get your point tho, maybe your problem is you don't understand it which is kinda evident by you checking ESPN and seeing Detroit 5th in there division and taking that as 5th in the conference :confusedshrug:

[Nick Young]

Nothing to deal with. I don't like/dislike something based on what other people enjoy. NBA is probably always my #1 with a gun to my head but for the most part enjoy sports/leagues for the different aspects they bring to the table.

Great response tho. You should take some lessons from D-Fen. Scary how bad you are at trolling :oldlol:
Y u made doe?:lol

[MMM]

Lol nick young gets ethered and his response is Y u made doe???
Can't make this is up, swag father so mad he can't type straight.

[NuggetsFan]

Y u made doe?:lol

Not at all. Some people hockey just doesn't click with, find it interesting. Same with hockey fans and the NBA. I enjoy both.

You are a bad troll tho. Not smart enough to create even a semi decent agenda but still crave attention. Leads to constant cringe worthy yapping and stupidity. Not making anybody angry with anything you say including the NBA forum. Be like getting upset with a special needs kid.

[Zan Tabak]

NHL playoffs>>>NBA Playoffs.

I like basketball more than hockey, but the NHL's playoffs are way better to watch. Sh!t is intense.

[D-FENS]

Fair points. I actually read an article that the Stanley Cup had more expensive ticket prices last year on average than the NBA finals. Not sure how accurate that is.

Non the less I never said the NHL was more important than the NBA. I said people care about it. People don't go watch the Redwings more than the Pistons if they don't care. If nobody outside of Canada cared than it wouldn't compete or even outsell in some cases. NBA crushes the NHL in TV ratings.

Detroit isn't 5 in the East either. There actually 8th and have 3-4 teams breathing down there neck 1 point behind. I get your point tho, maybe your problem is you don't understand it which is kinda evident by you checking ESPN and seeing Detroit 5th in there division and taking that as 5th in the conference :confusedshrug:

This was my problem:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=nhl+standings&rlz=1C1CHFX_enCA564CA564&oq=nhl+standings&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0l5.1988j0j9&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

I didn't see the Atlantic part. Anyway, they're better than the Pistons right now. There's a lot of dysfunction there.

It's unfair to suggest that the decisions of Red Wing fans are similar to those of other fans across the US. What you will generally find is a lack of interest in hockey. Of course hockey teams in Boston, New York, Washington, Buffalo, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Detroit and Minnesota get some love - it's miserable and cold there, too.

Ticket prices are always going to be expensive in those markets, because there are middle class and rich whites that will buy them. Show me a section of black people at a hockey game...

[D-FENS]

NHL playoffs>>>NBA Playoffs.

I like basketball more than hockey, but the NHL's playoffs are way better to watch. Sh!t is intense.

:roll:

No way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzfwvEixpTw

No one can even see what happened.

[NuggetsFan]

This was my problem:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=nhl+standings&rlz=1C1CHFX_enCA564CA564&oq=nhl+standings&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0l5.1988j0j9&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

I didn't see the Atlantic part. Anyway, they're better than the Pistons right now. There's a lot of dysfunction there.

It's unfair to suggest that the decisions of Red Wing fans are similar to those of other fans across the US. What you will generally find is a lack of interest in hockey. Of course hockey teams in Boston, New York, Washington, Buffalo, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, New Jersey, Detroit and Minnesota get some love - it's miserable and cold there, too.

Ticket prices are always going to be expensive in those markets, because there are middle class and rich whites that will buy them. Show me a section of black people at a hockey game...

Have no interest in showing you black people at a hockey game. Could care less about race in this conversation.

There actions are similar to other fans across the US tho. You can't just pick and choose what areas and places you want and eliminate them. I've already said climate obviously plays into hockey. It's going to be more popular in Minnesota than PHX but that doesn't mean Minnesota isn't apart of the US and that those that care about it get removed :confusedshrug:

Tampa Bay 10th right now in attendance for the NHL. They average 18,532 people. That's more than a team like S.A averages. The Kings might actually have better attendance numbers than the Lakers. They get over 19K people and San Jose does decent as well. I'd say the US markets that are clearly failing are PHX, Florida, Dallas.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/homePct
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

Check for yourself. I'm once again not implying that the NHL is more popular than the NBA. Just that it's cared about and people go to games. That's not lack of interest.

[brandonislegend]

:roll:

No way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzfwvEixpTw

No one can even see what happened.

You pick a single play to make your argument?
Holy **** you're an idiot.

[Gabi]

Have no interest in showing you black people at a hockey game. Could care less about race in this conversation.

There actions are similar to other fans across the US tho. You can't just pick and choose what areas and places you want and eliminate them. I've already said climate obviously plays into hockey. It's going to be more popular in Minnesota than PHX but that doesn't mean Minnesota isn't apart of the US and that those that care about it get removed :confusedshrug:

Tampa Bay 10th right now in attendance for the NHL. They average 18,532 people. That's more than a team like S.A averages. The Kings might actually have better attendance numbers than the Lakers. They get over 19K people and San Jose does decent as well. I'd say the US markets that are clearly failing are PHX, Florida, Dallas.

http://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/homePct
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/sort/homePct

Check for yourself. I'm once again not implying that the NHL is more popular than the NBA. Just that it's cared about and people go to games. That's not lack of interest.

You are putting too much stock into attendence numbers though. Most teams can pack the arena as long as they lower the price. The more interesting measuring stock would be TV ratings. Because for instance Knicks
'would rather have 10 000 in the stands for an average of 2 dollars a ticket then 19 999 where the ticket costs 1 dollar.

[NuggetsFan]

You are putting too much stock into attendence numbers though. Most teams can pack the arena as long as they lower the price. The more interesting measuring stock would be TV ratings. Because for instance Knicks
'would rather have 10 000 in the stands for an average of 2 dollars a ticket then 19 999 where the ticket costs 1 dollar.

True. NBA kills the NHL in TV ratings. However that really isn't the argument. They are saying nobody cares about the NHL. When people don't care about hockey you get a situation like were seeing in PHX or we saw with Atlanta. If people are showing up to games and showing interest than clearly they care. There's interest if a market can not only support an NHL team but compete with the NBA in attendance in some areas. That's just business and common sense. Who knows, maybe everybody in Tampa Bay hates hockey. There going to games tho.

They aren't giving away the tickets. I get your example but that's kinda extreme. I'm actually pretty sure NHL ticket prices are on the rise as well. I think the lowest are the Coyotes are like an average of 80 bucks. There near the bottom in attendance too, which makes sense. Lowering your ticket prices to get more people in the stands. A market like Chicago probably doesn't need to have cheap tickets and are probably in the top half of the league because people are going regardless.

Either way attendance shows interest, which is really the only thing I'm saying.

[Gabi]

True. NBA kills the NHL in TV ratings. However that really isn't the argument. They are saying nobody cares about the NHL. When people don't care about hockey you get a situation like were seeing in PHX or we saw with Atlanta. If people are showing up to games and showing interest than clearly they care. There's interest if a market can not only support an NHL team but compete with the NBA in attendance in some areas. That's just business and common sense. Who knows, maybe everybody in Tampa Bay hates hockey. There going to games tho.

They aren't giving away the tickets. I get your example but that's kinda extreme. I'm actually pretty sure NHL ticket prices are on the rise as well. I think the lowest are the Coyotes are like an average of 80 bucks. There near the bottom in attendance too, which makes sense. Lowering your ticket prices to get more people in the stands. A market like Chicago probably doesn't need to have cheap tickets and are probably in the top half of the league because people are going regardless.

Either way attendance shows interest, which is really the only thing I'm saying.

Yeah you are right kind of skimmed through post here because Nick Young is making me feeling suicidal so might have missed the original point.

[Derka]

That's great.

Hockey is thriving and alive in Massachusetts and always will be. This is a hockey region and if that bothers some people, we're fresh out of f*cks to give.

Go Bruins.

[DetroitPiston]

Red Wings are huge here, have been since the Yzerman days, but before that they were utter toss for 12 years. If you grew up in Michigan, you knew at least one person who had a rink or lived on a body of water. Hockey's a huge cultural sport.

Basketball in Detroit has always been a bandwagon thing, though.


NHL is on the rise, especially with how soft the NBA/NFL is becoming

As long as Bettman's in charge, NHL won't overtake those leagues.

[MMM]

Honestly after all the lockouts I'm surprised Hockey is doing as well as it is. The game is infused with a lot of young talent and we've seen some great Hockey from teams like LA, Chi, Bos and Det and Ana a few years ago. It really helps that the best teams and players are in big market areas as well.

[DeuceWallaces]

Red Wings are huge here, have been since the Yzerman days, but before that they were utter toss for 12 years. If you grew up in Michigan, you knew at least one person who had a rink or lived on a body of water. Hockey's a huge cultural sport.

Basketball in Detroit has always been a bandwagon thing, though.



As long as Bettman's in charge, NHL won't overtake those leagues.

Red Wings support is just as much a bandwagon if you happen to remember the Dead Things. Even now, they don't kill the Pistons in TV Ratings.

[DetroitPiston]

Red Wings support is just as much a bandwagon if you happen to remember the Dead Things. Even now, they don't kill the Pistons in TV Ratings.

Only reason I know of the Dead Wings is because my grandfather used to mock the bandwagon fans that jumped on. I wasn't even alive during that era.

If there's any team that any sports fan can learn about devotion, it's the Lions.

[red1]

dunno about basketball overtaking hockey in Toronto. Lot of the ethnic groups love hockey btw cus it is all they show on Canadian sports programing. ****ing **** even canceled court surfing :mad:
:eek: serious? wow that is a f*cking loss

[Solidape]

I am with you man, its just that they shove hockey down the Canadian throats sort of like how Patriotism is shoved down American throats.

[oarabbus]

I am certainly going to share your racist thread with the ish admins. Stupid white Jocks? Really? Nazim Kadri, PK Subban, Spencer,,,they're not white. But it's ok. I'll make sure your topic is read by the admins.


Keep crying :oldlol:

[D-FENS]

I am with you man, its just that they shove hockey down the Canadian throats sort of like how Patriotism is shoved down American throats.

Exactly. I'm seeing MFers posting smart-ass pics of the US and Sweden after winning. SO let me get this right, you're the favorites, not many other countries give a shit, and you're gloating when you win...

I hope the US or some other country turns the table and starts beating Canada at hockey at the Olympics and in the NHL. I would like hockey to die here. It's the same deal with the rugby fanaticism in New Zealand. Sheep shaggers!

[Ass Dan]

What a dumb person the OP is, "I can't follow the puck and too many players are white, therefore I hate it!"

Don't get me wrong, I love the NBA, but regular season Ducks and Kings games live destroy Lakers and Clippers games (even with Godbe and Lob City). NBA playoffs are great, but not until the Conference Finals.

Also, hockey is huge in northern states.

[D-FENS]

What a dumb person the OP is, "I can't follow the puck and too many players are white, therefore I hate it!"


I'm dumb for having a valid opinion shared by many? Hmmm.

Over half of the players are Canadian.
Only like 6 Canadian teams (Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Calgary, Vancouver)

24 US teams with over 50% of their players Canadian. :roll:

[mr.big35]

most popular detroit teams are in this order lions tigers red wings and pistons

in detroit only few people care about the red wings season its only few die hards call the radio show about red wings

[Ass Dan]

I'm dumb for having a valid opinion shared by many? Hmmm.

Over half of the players are Canadian.
Only like 6 Canadian teams (Montreal, Toronto, Winnipeg, Vancouver, Calgary, Vancouver)

24 US teams with over 50% of their players Canadian. :roll:

http://static.capitaltickets.ca/events/thumbnails/oilers-sens-tmn.png

have you heard of Google?

and just to be sure, the game sucks so bad, yet sells out arenas when many of the players are foreign?

this is your ammo?:lol

brillo!

[D-FENS]

http://static.capitaltickets.ca/events/thumbnails/oilers-sens-tmn.png

have you heard of Google?

and just to be sure, the game sucks so bad, yet sells out arenas when many of the players are foreign?

this is your ammo?:lol

brillo!

Ottawa? It's so popular I don't even know who plays

[Ass Dan]

Ottawa? It's so popular I don't even know who plays

And Edmonton. But hey, keep up your 'I don't know shit about it, that's why it sucks' argument, it really is the most effective way to get your point across, or is that the most effective way to display ignorance?

[D-FENS]

And Edmonton. But hey, keep up your 'I don't know shit about it, that's why it sucks' argument, it really is the most effective way to get your point across, or is that the most effective way to display ignorance?

So let's say there's 8 Canadian teams, and 22 US teams.

22 US teams have over 50% Canadians on their rosters! :roll:

It's a ****in' joke!

[oarabbus]

What a dumb person the OP is, "I can't follow the puck and too many players are white, therefore I hate it!"

Don't get me wrong, I love the NBA, but regular season Ducks and Kings games live destroy Lakers and Clippers games (even with Godbe and Lob City). NBA playoffs are great, but not until the Conference Finals.

Also, hockey is huge in northern states.


No, just no. Absolutely not. The Stanley Cup is somewhere in between a 1st round Western Conference and a 2nd round Eastern Conference matchup at best.

[ROCSteady]

Honestly after all the lockouts I'm surprised Hockey is doing as well as it is. The game is infused with a lot of young talent and we've seen some great Hockey from teams like LA, Chi, Bos and Det and Ana a few years ago. It really helps that the best teams and players are in big market areas as well.

Most Americans don't grow up watching hockey or having it be major thing in their house so they don't truly see how awesome it is once someone takes them to a game.

Once people go see a live game, many get hooked. They love how awesome and fast it is in person. When I lived in Souhern PA for a stretch, I single handedly turned like 10+ people into pretty big hockey fans who didn't care previously just from taking them to games in big groups and stuff.

[chosen_one6]

The NHL doesn't suck. Hockey is fun to watch on tv and in person, even though I only know a handful of players. I know two other people in person that are fans but that doesn't change the way I think about it.

[TonyMontana]

The NHL is a far superior league to the NBA and this is coming from someone that prefers basketball as a sport to hockey.

NBA fans are generally uneducated retards, or little kids. You go to a game. If you sit up top your surrounded by teens and retards. If you sit in the bottom deck your surrounded by corporate dudes that dont know shit about the game.

Meanwhile at the NHL games the fans are great. Everyone is knowledgeable about the team, no inferior ugly ****s at the games, great atmosphere. I love it. The NHL is probably the top north american sport to be passionate about. The only reason the NFL is more popular is because there is only 1 game a week as opposed to 82 in hockey.

oh and did I mention how only 4 teams matter in the NBA? In the NHL you have a shot at winning the Cup as an 8th seed. Kings did it just a few years ago.

NHL players play games with their heart. NBA players dont give a **** because like I previously said 90% of the league is irrelevant. NBA players = most mentally weak professional athletes of the 4 NA leagues.

[tomtucker]

The NHL is a far superior league to the NBA and this is coming from someone that prefers basketball as a sport to hockey.

NBA fans are generally uneducated retards, or little kids. You go to a game. If you sit up top your surrounded by teens and retards. If you sit in the bottom deck your surrounded by corporate dudes that dont know shit about the game.

Meanwhile at the NHL games the fans are great. Everyone is knowledgeable about the team, no inferior ugly ****s at the games, great atmosphere. I love it. The NHL is probably the top north american sport to be passionate about. The only reason the NFL is more popular is because there is only 1 game a week as opposed to 82 in hockey.

oh and did I mention how only 4 teams matter in the NBA? In the NHL you have a shot at winning the Cup as an 8th seed. Kings did it just a few years ago.

NHL players play games with their heart. NBA players dont give a **** because like I previously said 90% of the league is irrelevant. NBA players = most mentally weak professional athletes of the 4 NA leagues.

now this, is the fukking truth.........NBA is all about $$ for the players, NHL is all about the cup for the players

[Sarcastic]

The NHL is a far superior league to the NBA and this is coming from someone that prefers basketball as a sport to hockey.

NBA fans are generally uneducated retards, or little kids. You go to a game. If you sit up top your surrounded by teens and retards. If you sit in the bottom deck your surrounded by corporate dudes that dont know shit about the game.

Meanwhile at the NHL games the fans are great. Everyone is knowledgeable about the team, no inferior ugly ****s at the games, great atmosphere. I love it. The NHL is probably the top north american sport to be passionate about. The only reason the NFL is more popular is because there is only 1 game a week as opposed to 82 in hockey.

oh and did I mention how only 4 teams matter in the NBA? In the NHL you have a shot at winning the Cup as an 8th seed. Kings did it just a few years ago.

NHL players play games with their heart. NBA players dont give a **** because like I previously said 90% of the league is irrelevant. NBA players = most mentally weak professional athletes of the 4 NA leagues.


The reason that an 8th seed can beat a 1 seed in hockey, is that the sport is so heavily reliant on goaltending, similar to how baseball is dependent on pitching. In baseball, the lower seed can win at almost any time as well, due to having a hot pitching staff.

In basketball, there is no 1 player that can completely control the offense or defense, the way a pitcher or goaltender can control the defense.


BTW, most of the NHL is irrelevant, and will never win the Cup. Just like the NBA has their continual doormats, the NHL has them also. The Columbus Blue Jackets haven't finished abover 3rd in the division for the like the past decade and a half. The Toronto Maple Leafs haven't won the Cup since like 1950. Just because for a few random years there was a mix of teams winning, doesn't mean there is actual parity in the sport.


Baseball has worst to firsts happening all the time, but no one champions the parity in baseball. The Boston Red Sox were in last place 2 years, and last year won the World Series.

[Gabi]

BTW, most of the NHL is irrelevant, and will never win the Cup. Just like the NBA has their continual doormats, the NHL has them also.

Last eight years there has been only one team to win twice that is the Blackhawks.

8 years, 6 different winners, 12 different finalists.

In the same time span the NBA have 5 different winners and 7 different finalists.

[Legends66NBA7]

I can see the Raptors being more popular than the Maple Leafs in 50 years time.

:oldlol:

Probably the most hilarious thing I've read in here. The Leafs haven't won a title since 1967 and haven't been back to the Cup Finals since that time. Since I've been in the city long enough, I know that no matter what achievements the Raptors might get in the future will never EVER reach the popularity of the Leafs.

Toronto is a hockey city first and will NOT change. There's just too much history for the fans to stop switching tunes from the Leafs to the Raptors and if both teams start dominating decades, the Leafs are getting the headlines over any Toronto team.

As much I hate the ownership, the Raptors would have probably suffered the same fate as the Grizzlies did in 01 if not for them getting the fan support and the continued popularity of the team.


BTW, most of the NHL is irrelevant, and will never win the Cup. Just like the NBA has their continual doormats, the NHL has them also. The Columbus Blue Jackets haven't finished abover 3rd in the division for the like the past decade and a half. The Toronto Maple Leafs haven't won the Cup since like 1950.

Yes, 2 teams = most of the NHL is irrelevant. The Blues were predicated by most to win the Stanley Cup and they haven't even won a Stanley Cup Finals game yet (have been swept like 3 times in the Finals).

Who think Columbus is relevant in the NHL ? Toronto isn't relevant now ? What a difference a year makes:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8518969&postcount=55

[MMM]

No, just no. Absolutely not. The Stanley Cup is somewhere in between a 1st round Western Conference and a 2nd round Eastern Conference matchup at best.

completely disagree. the intensity of the nhl playoffs isn't match by the other NA sports. Also the Cup finals has had a pretty good stretch of great match ups for the last few seasons unlike the WS and NBA finals.

[travelingman]

No, just no. Absolutely not. The Stanley Cup is somewhere in between a 1st round Western Conference and a 2nd round Eastern Conference matchup at best.

^The nadir of this thread :facepalm