Who Was Jordan's Greatest Adversary?

[SilkkTheShocker]

Craig Ehlo or John Starks?

[AnaheimLakers24]

his small wiener

[Patrick Chewing]

Danny Ferry

[SuperPippen]

Joe Dumars, Bad Boy Pistons, Riley's Knicks, Gambling, Baseball, Boredom w/ Domination and in later years over sized jeans.

This, essentially.

[TheCorporation]

Joe Dumars, Bad Boy Pistons, Riley's Knicks, Gambling, Baseball, Boredom w/ Domination and in later years over sized jeans.

:lol :lol

To OP:

I see what you did there! Sounds like MJ had stiff competition at the 2. LeBron is lucky he only had to go up against SFs like Durant, Paul George, Melo, Deng, etc.

[guy]

:oldlol: Lebron got dominated by Jason f'n Terry. John Starks would make him cry.

[Im Still Ballin]

it's hard to say, probably Isiah Thomas and Pistons

[zoom17]

his small wiener

http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ha-gay-gif.gif

[K Xerxes]

As opposed to Jason Terry and JJ Barea being LeBron's greatest adversaries?

[SilkkTheShocker]

:oldlol: Lebron got dominated by Jason f'n Terry. John Starks would make him cry.

Jason Terry would have been an elite SG in Jordan era of s*hitty guards. Starks would still be bagging groceries if he played ball in this era

[FKAri]

Gambling and ofcourse as mentioned, little d1ck syndrome. But little d1ck syndrome is what really pushed him to greatness.

[Milbuck]

Jason Terry would have been an elite SG in Jordan era of s*hitty guards. Starks would still be bagging groceries if he played ball in this era
Boris ****ing Diaw was embarrassing Lebron for a big chunk of the Finals :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

He never beat Bird in six playoff games. And his post-season numbers against the "Bad Boys", in four straight series, were dramatically lower than his regular season NBA averages.

And as a sidenote, so were Shaq's in his five post-season series against the Spurs. And Kareem's in his five post-season series against Wilt and Thurmond.

[Bandito]

Boris ****ing Diaw was embarrassing Lebron for a big chunk of the Finals :oldlol:
Nobody know who diaw is though is what's hilarious.

[guy]

Jason Terry would have been an elite SG in Jordan era of s*hitty guards. Starks would still be bagging groceries if he played ball in this era

Well you would think anyone that can outplay Lebron James in the Finals would be an elite player in any era unless Lebron just isn't that great. :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Jason Terry would have been an elite SG in Jordan era of s*hitty guards. Starks would still be bagging groceries if he played ball in this era


:roll:

[TheCorporation]

Boris ****ing Diaw was embarrassing Lebron for a big chunk of the Finals :oldlol:

Yep, embarassed Bron to the tune of him scoring 25 ppg during the Finals series, not to mention a Game 6 32-point game and a Game 7 37-point game

:lol

How great is our god LordBron James scores 32 and 37 in Game 6 and 7 and that is considered "getting embarrassed."

Lord Bron, a player so great that when he scores 32 and 37 he was considered embarrased by the defense haha

[FPJ]

Poker and blackjack.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Yep, embarassed Bron to the tune of him scoring 25 ppg during the Finals series, not to mention a Game 6 32-point game and a Game 7 37-point game

:lol

How great is our god LordBron James scores 32 and 37 in Game 6 and 7 and that is considered "getting embarrassed."

Lord Bron, a player so great that when he scores 32 and 37 he was considered embarrased by the defense haha

Dat Ether :oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Yep, embarassed Bron to the tune of him scoring 25 ppg during the Finals series, not to mention a Game 6 32-point game and a Game 7 37-point game

:lol

How great is our god LordBron James scores 32 and 37 in Game 6 and 7 and that is considered "getting embarrassed."

Lord Bron, a player so great that when he scores 32 and 37 he was considered embarrased by the defense haha
He averaged 16.7ppg on 39/23/83 shooting for the first 3 games of the series. 100 ORTG 107 DRTG with 44TS% as well. I think three games in a 7 game series can be considered a big chunk. And that production, for the best player in the world, is quite obviously embarassing.

Nice effort though.

[Lord Bean]

He averaged 16.7ppg on 39/23/83 shooting for the first 3 games of the series. 100 ORTG 107 DRTG with 44TS% as well. I think three games in a 7 game series can be considered a big chunk. And that production, for the best player in the world, is quite obviously embarassing.

Nice effort though.
:applause:

[longtime lurker]

He averaged 16.7ppg on 39/23/83 shooting for the first 3 games of the series. 100 ORTG 107 DRTG with 44TS% as well. I think three games in a 7 game series can be considered a big chunk. And that production, for the best player in the world, is quite obviously embarassing.

Nice effort though.

Damn! Sonned. Mods need to close this agenda thread

[leopoldstotch]

Jordan's greatest adversary? Jordan himself. He took himself far enough to how much his mentality could push him to.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

midgets:roll: :roll: :roll:

[secund2nun]

Well you would think anyone that can outplay Lebron James in the Finals would be an elite player in any era unless Lebron just isn't that great. :oldlol:

Lebron went 17-7-7 in the 2011 finals. He underperformed, but he played 1000 times better than the likes of Terry and Barea. It is simply ignorance to actually thing he was outplayed by role players. Terry could only dream of going 17-7-7 in the playoffs let alone the finals.

Jordan missed lost in the first round 3 times. Lebron has never lost in the first round. :roll:

[Young X]

Lebron went 17-7-7 in the 2011 finals. He underperformed, but he played 1000 times better than the likes of Terry and Barea. No he didn't, he got cooked. :oldlol:

EDIT: You can't lose in the 1st round when you face 38 win teams every year. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Jason Terry would have been an elite SG in Jordan era of s*hitty guards. Starks would still be bagging groceries if he played ball in this era

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyFp219Nj4Y

:cry:

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[ImKobe]

Lebron went 17-7-7 in the 2011 finals. He underperformed, but he played 1000 times better than the likes of Terry and Barea. It is simply ignorance to actually thing he was outplayed by role players. Terry could only dream of going 17-7-7 in the playoffs let alone the finals.

Jordan missed the playoffs 3 times and lost in the first round 3 times. Lebron has never lost in the first round. :roll:

Jordan was never on the brink of being eliminated from the Finals.

[eliteballer]

Teams:

Magics Lakers
Birds Celtics
Pistons
Knicks

Players:

Magic
Bird
Nique
Drexler
Barkley

[DonDadda59]

Starks would still be bagging groceries if he played ball in this era

He'd still have a higher finals PPG than Lebron doe.

[Lamar Odumbb]

http://basketball91.com/files/2012/07/Mugsy-Bogues.jpg

[Marlo_Stanfield]

http://basketball91.com/files/2012/07/Mugsy-Bogues.jpg
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[MavsSuperFan]

his small wiener
:lol :roll: :wtf:

[Young X]

Bron in '11 Finals: 17.8 PPG

Starks in '94 Finals: 17.7 PPG

Pathetic :oldlol:

[secund2nun]

Jordan was never on the brink of being eliminated from the Finals.

So winning the finals in 7 is worse than losing in the first round 3 times?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Bron in '11 Finals: 17.8 PPG

Starks in '94 Finals: 17.7 PPG

Pathetic :oldlol:
im sure entire teams made their defensive schemes to not allow Starks to score and make him a Pointguard:roll: :roll: :roll:
:facepalm

[SamuraiSWISH]

Bad Boy Pistons
Gambling
Boredom
Baseball
Hot White Women
Pippen's Dong Size
Comebacks
Drafting
Baggy Jeans

[ImKobe]

Clyde Drexler? Isiah Thomas? Gary Payton? Penny Hardaway? Reggie Miller? Magic Johnson? Larry Bird?

He played against all of those guys in the Playoffs & defeated all of them, except for Larry, because when MJ hit his prime Larry was at the end of the road with his back problems. Magic & MJ were rivals, even when they were on the dream team they led separate practice squad teams and had battles against them until Magic had to admit MJ's supremacy.

It's not MJ's fault that in his era there weren't that many great SGs on the offensive end, but he still had his hands full with guarding the opposing PGs and SFs.

KD is a great player, but it's not like it has effected Bran's legacy one bit. He averaged 30 ppg in the Finals on above 50% shooting and Miami still won it easily thanks to rest of OKC playing like garbage and Heat's 3pt shooters making everything.

[ImKobe]

So winning the finals in 7 is worse than losing in the first round 3 times?

Lebron never lost in the Finals in 7 games, he got swept once and lost in 6 with HCA :oldlol:

Getting embarrassed in the Finals is worse than losing in the first round as an underdog. Shame on MJ for returning from his foot injury late in the season (playing 17 games) and going up against the legendary Celtics squad against prime Larry.

[secund2nun]

No he didn't, he got cooked. :oldlol:

EDIT: You can't lose in the 1st round when you face 38 win teams every year. :oldlol:

He outperformed Terry and Barae. Get over it and stop lying.

Jordan= Mr. 3 times first round loser

MJ and the Bulls entered the playoffs as a 7th seed, 8th seed, and 8th seed in those 3 first round losses. I guess those 38 win teams kept handing MJ his azz in the regular season because they couldn't finish better than a 7th seed :lol

It took MJ like 4 seasons to get his team above .500 and to finally win a playoff series, but coincidently that was the first season he had Pippen.

Jordan= 0 playoff series wins, 0 .500 or above team before Pippen.

[DonDadda59]

Teams:

Magics Lakers
Birds Celtics
Pistons
Knicks

Players:

Magic
Bird
Nique
Drexler
Barkley
Shaq
Hakeem
Robinson
Malone
Ewing
Mourning


Fixed (partial list). Jordan dominated in an era that had the best collection of big men of any era, before the league rigged the rules to help the Jordan impostors in the middle of the last decade.

And if we're talking purely SGs, then you have

Miller
Drexler
Dumars
Richmond
Sprewell
Hardaway
Smith
Moncrief
Blackman

I'm sure I'm missing some.

[secund2nun]

Lebron never lost in the Finals in 7 games, he got swept once and lost in 6 with HCA :oldlol:

Getting embarrassed in the Finals is worse than losing in the first round as an underdog. Shame on MJ for returning from his foot injury late in the season (playing 17 games) and going up against the legendary Celtics squad against prime Larry.

I am talking about his latest finals since you said brink of elimination. A win is a win.

As for losing in the finals twice, please tell me that you do not actually believe that losing in the first round 3 times is better than winning the Eastern Conference Title twice without the NBA title.

I mean really....losing in the first round is better than winning the first, second, and third round while losing in the 4th round? :roll: :roll:

[eliteballer]

Bron in '11 Finals: 17.8 PPG

Starks in '94 Finals: 17.7 PPG

Pathetic :oldlol:

:roll:

[ImKobe]

I am talking about his latest finals since you said brink of elimination. A win is a win.

As for losing in the finals twice, please tell me that you do not actually believe that losing in the first round 3 times is better than winning the Eastern Conference Title twice without the NBA title.

I mean really....losing in the first round is better than winning the first, second, and third round while losing in the 4th round? :roll: :roll:

MJ lost in the first round when he was young and Bulls barely had any talent around him, losing against one of the greatest Celtic teams in history in 1986 is something he should be ashamed of, though he dropped the Playoff scoring record for 63 points?

MJ won all his Finals series and never was on the brink of elimination. Lebron choked and lost despite having HCA and being heavily favored. The end. MJ is the GOAT, deal with it.

[SamuraiSWISH]

:roll:
The hell are you laughing at? Magic, and Kobe have both had horrendous Finals.

[eliteballer]

The hell are you laughing at? Magic, and Kobe have both had horrendous Finals.

Kobe has 1 bad finals where he was coming off two surgeries and taking IV's for exhaustion because of legal issues and not being in shape.

Magic has had horrendous finals?? Uhh check the stats you clown.

[DonDadda59]

Bron in '11 Finals: 17.8 PPG

Starks in '94 Finals: 17.7 PPG

Pathetic :oldlol:

Getting outplayed by a bench-riding midget and putting up the same PPG as a grocery bagger in the finals?

GOAT indeed.

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[guy]

Lebron went 17-7-7 in the 2011 finals. He underperformed, but he played 1000 times better than the likes of Terry and Barea. It is simply ignorance to actually thing he was outplayed by role players. Terry could only dream of going 17-7-7 in the playoffs let alone the finals.

Jordan missed lost in the first round 3 times. Lebron has never lost in the first round. :roll:

Its simply ignorance to assume that stats tell the whole story. Whatever the case, I don't care if he was outplayed or not. The fact that its actually a conversation shows pathetic that performance it was. And with that being the case, the OP is an idiot for bringing up this topic. Lebron was literally getting embarrassed by players of the same caliber that the OP is trying to dog :oldlol: .

[moe94]

Kobe has 1 bad finals where he was coming off two surgeries and taking IV's for exhaustion because of legal issues and not being in shape.

Magic has had horrendous finals?? Uhh check the stats you clown.

What were Kobe's Finals stats again? I think it rivals Jordan.

[ImKobe]

Kobe has 1 bad finals where he was coming off two surgeries and taking IV's for exhaustion because of legal issues and not being in shape.

Magic has had horrendous finals?? Uhh check the stats you clown.

1984 Finals? For a Laker fan you sure don't know a lot about the history of the Lakers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1bd2g3p1Y

[SamuraiSWISH]

Magic has had horrendous finals?? Uhh check the stats you clown.
Magic didn't, I was confusing his Tragic Johnson game for being a bad series all together. It wasn't. Stand corrected But Bryant? Kobe's 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2010 Finals all aren't particularly good. No excuses, they were bad.

[eliteballer]

Magic didn't, I was confusing his Tragic Johnson game for being a bad series all together. It wasn't. Stand corrected But Bryant? Kobe's 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2010 Finals all aren't particularly good. No excuses, they were bad.

Kobe got injured in the middle of the 2000 finals and still had one of the legendary finals performances in game 4.

I already explained 2004.

He was playing on one knee in 2010 and still led the Lakers over one of best defenses/most stacked teams in league history.

You're just exposing your age. I doubt you even watched 90's ball, much less 80's.

[ImKobe]

Magic didn't, I was confusing his Tragic Johnson game for being a bad series all together. It wasn't. Stand corrected But Bryant? Kobe's 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2010 Finals all aren't particularly good. No excuses, they were bad.

2000 he played on a badly sprained ankle and still made a huge difference on the road with Shaq fouled out in OT, 2008 and 2010 he went up against 2 of the greatest defensive teams ever and had decent games, 2010 people like to look at Game 7 but he delivered in the big moments and did well enough to win the series.

Bad series are those in which the player does not come through and the team loses due to the fact. Lakers won the title in 2000 and 2010 so I could care less how well Kobe shot the ball because we won :facepalm, only the haters are going to make a deal out of it.

[mehyaM24]

magic and bird, but they were busy winning titles in a better league(something jordan couldnt do until they were retired / outta their prime).

[ImKobe]

magic and bird, but they were busy winning titles in a better era(something jordan couldnt do until they were retired / outta their prime).

:oldlol: so it's MJ's fault he was 21 years of age when Bird & Magic were in their absolute primes? defeating Magic in the Finals and having his best Finals series of his career is also nothing, right?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe got injured in the middle of the 2000 finals and still had one of the legendary finals performances in game 4.

I already explained 2004.

He was playing on one knee in 2010 and still led the Lakers over one of best defenses/most stacked teams in league history.

You're just exposing your age. I doubt you even watched 90's ball, much less 80's.
I didn't watch 80's ball. At least not the Laker v.s. Celtics years. I caught the tail end of it. I was there for the duration of the 90s. You're exposing yourself with the Vanessa Bryant level defense of Kobe.

Like most Kobe apostles you're making excuses. Excuses to validate why they think Kobe's the greatest, as opposed to celebrating his success.

Jordan's bad Finals? 1996? He shot poorly. Plain, and simple. You don't see me making a ton of excuses for him. If Kobe was good enough to get on the floor, he can perform.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Kobe got injured in the middle of the 2000 finals and still had one of the legendary finals performances in game 4.

I already explained 2004.

He was playing on one knee in 2010 and still led the Lakers over one of best defenses/most stacked teams in league history.

You're just exposing your age. I doubt you even watched 90's ball, much less 80's.

That was Gasol.

[mehyaM24]

Kobe got injured in the middle of the 2000 finals and still had one of the legendary finals performances in game 4.

I already explained 2004.

He was playing on one knee in 2010 and still led the Lakers over one of best defenses/most stacked teams in league history.

You're just exposing your age. I doubt you even watched 90's ball, much less 80's.

samuraiswish is actually a kobe fan looking for jordan fans' approval.

tell em "The Mamba (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=8047584&postcount=10)" :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

I didn't watch 80's ball. At least not the Laker v.s. Celtics years. I caught the tail end of it. I was there for the duration of the 90s. You're exposing yourself with the Vanessa Bryant level defense of Kobe.

Like most Kobe apostles you're making excuses. Excuses to validate why they think Kobe's the greatest, as opposed to celebrating his success.

Jordan's bad Finals? 1996? He shot poorly. Plain, and simple. You don't see me making a ton of excuses for him. If Kobe was good enough to get on the floor, he can perform.

Kobe shot poorly in 2010, so what? If the team wins the series it doesn't matter.

[mehyaM24]

:oldlol: so it's MJ's fault he was 21 years of age when Bird & Magic were in their absolute primes? defeating Magic in the Finals and having his best Finals series of his career is also nothing, right?

ya. against bird in the 87 playoffs, he shot a miserable 41%.

no pippen = first round exit

[LAZERUSS]

Not having a quality PF for sure.

From 89-90 thru 93-94, they had Horace Grant as their starting PF. The 93-94 Bulls, without MJ, still went 55-27. They lost Grant to free agency, and dropped like a lead balloon. Even a fully healthy and rested MJ couldn't bring them back in the '95 playoffs. Hell, Grant was playing on the team that beat them.

They then added Dennis Rodman for the second three-peat.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe shot poorly in 2010, so what? If the team wins the series it doesn't matter.
Kobe played poorly in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2010.

- For Kobe's Standards

[DonDadda59]

no pippen = first round exit

Yup, Pippen really did all the heavy lifting the first time the Bulls won a playoff series:



Jordan Regular Season: 35 PPG/ 5.5 RPG/ 6 APG/ 3.2 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (54% FG) Won MVP, DPOY, Scoring Title, All Star MVP, First Team All NBA, First Team All Defense

Pippen Regular Season: 7.9 PPG/ 3.8 RPG/ 2.1 APG/ 1.2 SPG (46% FG)

Jordan First Playoff Series Win: 45 PPG/ 5.4 RPG/ 4.8 APG/ 2.8 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (56% FG)

Pippen in the same series: 10.6 PPG/ 5.2 RPG/ 2.4 APG (47% FG)


Pippen in '88 and Kobe in '97 really carried their teams. :bowdown:

[moe94]

Kobe played poorly in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2010.

- For Kobe's Standards

25/5/5 on 41% for Finals

[Jameerthefear]

Yup, Pippen really did all the heavy lifting the first time the Bulls won a playoff series:



Jordan Regular Season: 35 PPG/ 5.5 RPG/ 6 APG/ 3.2 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (54% FG) Won MVP, DPOY, Scoring Title, All Star MVP, First Team All NBA, First Team All Defense

Pippen Regular Season: 7.9 PPG/ 3.8 RPG/ 2.1 APG/ 1.2 SPG (46% FG)

Jordan First Playoff Series Win: 45 PPG/ 5.4 RPG/ 4.8 APG/ 2.8 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (56% FG)

Pippen in the same series: 10.6 PPG/ 5.2 RPG/ 2.4 APG (47% FG)


Pippen in '88 and Kobe in '97 really carried their teams. :bowdown:
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[mehyaM24]

Yup, Pippen really did all the heavy lifting the first time the Bulls won a playoff series:



Jordan Regular Season: 35 PPG/ 5.5 RPG/ 6 APG/ 3.2 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (54% FG) Won MVP, DPOY, Scoring Title, All Star MVP, First Team All NBA, First Team All Defense

Pippen Regular Season: 7.9 PPG/ 3.8 RPG/ 2.1 APG/ 1.2 SPG (46% FG)

Jordan First Playoff Series Win: 45 PPG/ 5.4 RPG/ 4.8 APG/ 2.8 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (56% FG)

Pippen in the same series: 10.6 PPG/ 5.2 RPG/ 2.4 APG (47% FG)


Pippen in '88 and Kobe in '97 really carried their teams. :bowdown:

wait so how many series did jordan win without pippen? :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kobe got injured in the middle of the 2000 finals and still had one of the legendary finals performances in game 4.

I already explained 2004.

He was playing on one knee in 2010 and still led the Lakers over one of best defenses/most stacked teams in league history.

You're just exposing your age. I doubt you even watched 90's ball, much less 80's.
Kobe has no legendary playoff games. Don't fool yourself.

[Doranku]

Kobe played poorly in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2010.

- For Kobe's Standards

Kobe played poorly in 2010? :oldlol: He shot like shit in game 7, but that doesn't change the fact that he was spectacular for for games 1-6, and ended up scoring 10 points and grabbing 4 boards in the 4th of game 7.

He most certainly did not "play poorly".

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe played poorly in 2010? :oldlol: He shot like shit in game 7, but that doesn't change the fact that he was spectacular for for games 1-6, and ended up scoring 10 points and grabbing 4 boards in the 4th of game 7.

He most certainly did not "play poorly".

Through 6 Games he shot 43%. Yes, poor.

[hitmanyr2k]

Yup, Pippen really did all the heavy lifting the first time the Bulls won a playoff series:



Jordan Regular Season: 35 PPG/ 5.5 RPG/ 6 APG/ 3.2 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (54% FG) Won MVP, DPOY, Scoring Title, All Star MVP, First Team All NBA, First Team All Defense

Pippen Regular Season: 7.9 PPG/ 3.8 RPG/ 2.1 APG/ 1.2 SPG (46% FG)

Jordan First Playoff Series Win: 45 PPG/ 5.4 RPG/ 4.8 APG/ 2.8 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (56% FG)

Pippen in the same series: 10.6 PPG/ 5.2 RPG/ 2.4 APG (47% FG)


Pippen in '88 and Kobe in '97 really carried their teams. :bowdown:


Pippen's first start all year as a rookie in Game 5 against the Cavs. I think he made a difference in helping the Bulls advance to the 2nd round being player of the game and all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79eJyW_T0M

[DonDadda59]

Pippen's first start all year as a rookie in Game 5 against the Cavs. I think he made a difference in helping the Bulls advance to the 2nd round being player of the game and all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M79eJyW_T0M

Truly, the GOAT :bowdown:

Too bad his 'migraine' 2 years later cost the Bulls a possible 7th championship.

[kennethgriffin]

technically 2003 kobe is the best player jordan ever faced

[RedBlackAttack]

Undoubtedly Isiah Thomas and the Bad Boy Pistons.

Is that not good enough? :confusedshrug:

I'd say Patrick Ewing and Knicks qualified as the biggest rival during the 91-93 years, with the Stockton/Malone Jazz being the major hurdle from 96-98.

Jordan's rivals came and went, and he remained easily the best player on the planet.

[DonDadda59]

technically 2003 kobe is the best player jordan ever faced

Technically, I can name a bunch of players Jordan faced better than '03 Bean.

[moe94]

Technically, I can name a bunch of players Jordan faced better than '03 Bean.

List all the guards.

[DonDadda59]

List all the guards.

Why does it have to be limited to guards? The dude said player. But Ok, I'll give you one.

'03 T-Mac :oldlol:

[moe94]

Why does it have to be limited to guards? The dude said player. But Ok, I'll give you one.

'03 T-Mac :oldlol:

I think maybe that's what he meant by technically. Was 03 T-Mac a better overall player? Was he?

Is that it, though?

[DonDadda59]

I think maybe that's what he meant by technically. Was 03 T-Mac a better overall player? Was he?

Is that it, though?

No the guy said '03 Bean was the best player Jordan had ever faced. In '03 alone, Jordan also saw Duncan and TMac. But since you wanted to limit it to guards for some reason, I gave you that. Tracy led the league in scoring, PER, and finished 4th in MVP voting (Kobe 3rd with an infinitely better team, the defending 3-peat champion Lakers). He had a great case for being the best player in the league that season.

And if we're dealing in technicalities- Jordan played the 3 and sometimes 4 during his Wizards stint since they were so terribly undermanned.

But if we're limiting it to just guards, we can at least not make believe Magic Johnson didn't exist.

[Big#50]

He had none in the 90's. None. League was his. Nobody stood a chance.

[Stringer Bell]

1984 Finals? For a Laker fan you sure don't know a lot about the history of the Lakers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ1bd2g3p1Y

Magic screwed up in clutch time in game 2 and especially game 4, but it wasn't like he was playing bad all series long. He put up great numbers, terrific all-around play as usual.

Worthy was the one who really choked at the end of game 2 (and he was playing great at that point)

[Black Mamba's B]

Boris ****ing Diaw was embarrassing Lebron for a big chunk of the Finals :oldlol:
This

[ImKobe]

Kobe played poorly in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2010.

- For Kobe's Standards

2004 and 2008 were poor, rest of the series he played well enough and played a big enough part to win the series with 2010 being his weakest Finals in which the Lakers won.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2004 and 2008 were poor, rest of the series he played well enough and played a big enough part to win the series with 2010 being his weakest Finals in which the Lakers won.
He played decent enough in 2010, I agree. But he still performed below expectations IMO.

[cltcfn2924]

Now I know you are all kids here. The saying in the 80's was the only man to ever stop MJ was Dean Smith. It's the truth and none of you homers knew it.

[Round Mound]

Young Jordan: Bird, then Magic.
Prime Jordan: Hakeem, then Barkley.

[AlphaWolf24]

Young Jordan: Bird, then Magic.
Prime Jordan: Hakeem, then Barkley.


- Young MJ?...He played Magic once maybe twice a season?..He played Bird what was 20 - 30 times from 84' - 90'...Bird's Celtics Clearly outplayed MJ's Bull's....and the one on one matchup's favored Bird also. ( and remember in the 80's advanced stats didn't mean Sh!t...it was who's team won that mattered most)

- Young MJ wasn't viewed as a Rival to Magic and Bird....Magic and Bird were on a tier above...established GOAT's.....I would say Young MJ's greatest Rival was Dominique Wilkins....as far as both being amazing young players with similar skillsets...

- Both playing on up and coming young teams trying to reach the mountain top ( Dominique's Hawks actually looked like they were going to be a championship team in the mid 80's)

- Prime MJ had Drexler and Barkley IMO....the closest thing IMO was the 92' season with Drexler....but MJ absolutely put that to rest...LOL.

- Barkley played great in 93'....I guess Barkley was a little threat...but he never played at MJ's Level ....once he won his first title defeating Magic's Lakers....MJ was at the top....except the 1 year he retired.

- the really cool thing was seeing MJ come back in 95' and play against some of the younger players....and watching MJ destroy most of them....although by 1994 it could be argued that MJ was not in his prime....I think he was but that's MO.

[Bandito]

MJ didn't have an adversary because he was on another galaxy compared to his peers.

[MichaelCorleone]

MJ didn't have an adversary because he was on another galaxy compared to his peers.
This.

[Teanett]

joe dumars

[MichaelCorleone]

Closest I'll say is the Bad Boys Pistons. Jordan's biggest obstacle.

[russwest0]

Boris ****ing Diaw was embarrassing Lebron for a big chunk of the Finals :oldlol:

Now, now, don't do em like that :oldlol: :oldlol:

I'm sure this jackass will just say that Boris Diaw would have been Wilt in the 90s :roll: :roll:

[Round Mound]

Not having a quality PF for sure.

From 89-90 thru 93-94, they had Horace Grant as their starting PF. The 93-94 Bulls, without MJ, still went 55-27. They lost Grant to free agency, and dropped like a lead balloon. Even a fully healthy and rested MJ couldn't bring them back in the '95 playoffs. Hell, Grant was playing on the team that beat them.

They then added Dennis Rodman for the second three-peat.

:applause:

[juju151111]

Yup, Pippen really did all the heavy lifting the first time the Bulls won a playoff series:



Jordan Regular Season: 35 PPG/ 5.5 RPG/ 6 APG/ 3.2 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (54% FG) Won MVP, DPOY, Scoring Title, All Star MVP, First Team All NBA, First Team All Defense

Pippen Regular Season: 7.9 PPG/ 3.8 RPG/ 2.1 APG/ 1.2 SPG (46% FG)

Jordan First Playoff Series Win: 45 PPG/ 5.4 RPG/ 4.8 APG/ 2.8 SPG/ 1.6 BPG (56% FG)

Pippen in the same series: 10.6 PPG/ 5.2 RPG/ 2.4 APG (47% FG)


Pippen in '88 and Kobe in '97 really carried their teams. :bowdown:
Oh Shit:biggums:

[MadSolar]

Kobe played poorly in 2000, 2004, 2008, and 2010.

- For Kobe's Standards
You act like MJ never played poorly. 96 finals he shot 41% and 97 he shot 45% and 98 he shot 42%. He also shot 5-22 in game 6 of 96 finals

-For MJ's standards

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kobe has 1 bad finals

:roll: :roll:

[red1]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02443/gambling_jpg_2443274b.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

http://serve.cdnzoom.com/SportsBlogcom/filewarehouse/85109/4550ce10040a2946059beade14616ce9.jpg

[CelticBaller]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02443/gambling_jpg_2443274b.jpg
shit came here to say this :lol

[JohnFreeman]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02443/gambling_jpg_2443274b.jpg
:oldlol:

[MichaelCorleone]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02443/gambling_jpg_2443274b.jpg
:roll:

[DonDadda59]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02443/gambling_jpg_2443274b.jpg

Even demigods have their weaknesses :lol

http://www.shivas.org/Portals/0/NotesfromJo/Achilles.jpg

[red1]

kwame brown greatest adversary

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[fourkicks44]

Jason Terry would have been an elite SG in Jordan era of s*hitty guards. Starks would still be bagging groceries if he played ball in this era

Clyde Drexler in his prime was better than any SG playing in the L right now.

[mehyaM24]

again, jordan's biggest adversaries played in the 80's. once they(bird and magic) were retired and old, jordan got his rings in a watered down era.

[SamuraiSWISH]

You act like MJ never played poorly. 96 finals he shot 41% and 97 he shot 45% and 98 he shot 42%. He also shot 5-22 in game 6 of 96 finals

-For MJ's standards
No, I haven't acted that way. I've readily admitted MJ played poorly in the '96 Finals. He just was missing shots.

'97 Finals he shot 45% ... that's Kobe's career average? How are you making that out to sound so poor, makes no sense.

And yes MJ percentage wise shot poorly in '98, but still shot better than all of his teammates on much higher volume scoring. That was his niche, he was having to do it at 35 years old.

Context tells me that's impressive.

[c5terror]

Jason Terry would have been an elite SG in Jordan era of s*hitty guards. Starks would still be bagging groceries if he played ball in this era

Steve Nash, Jason kidd, tracy mcGrady> Jason Terry..

Jason kid elite in 2000-2011
90's Jason Kid lucky to get in allstar
Tmac elite in 20's
90's Tmac = Bum.
Steve Nash elite, MVP in 20's
90's Steve Nash = Bum
Kobe Elite, Top10 ATG in 20's
90's Kobe = Bum, airball


Conclusion, If LBJ, DUrant played in 90's, they'll become bum too.

and how the **** can grant hill still shot 50%FG in his 36? oh yeah forgot its 2k era LOL.

[houston]

Zeke he made jordan cry:oldlol:

[riseagainst]

Jason Terry would have been an elite SG in Jordan era of s*hitty guards. Starks would still be bagging groceries if he played ball in this era

:roll:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Zeke he made jordan cry:oldlol:
MJ had last laugh doe Brawn stan. '91 sweep, keeping him off historic '92 Dream Team.

:pimp:

[Straight_Ballin]

Joe Dumars

[Straight_Ballin]

MJ lost in the first round when he was young and Bulls barely had any talent around him, losing against one of the greatest Celtic teams in history in 1986 is something he should be ashamed of, though he dropped the Playoff scoring record for 63 points?

MJ won all his Finals series and never was on the brink of elimination. Lebron choked and lost despite having HCA and being heavily favored. The end. MJ is the GOAT, deal with it.

Why does this have to be repeated over and over? Do the parents of these ISH kids not teach them anything about Jordan?

[Soundwave]

39/40 year old MJ could drop 20 ppg in the league just fine with the young Kobes, T-Macs, Iversons to contend with, he would average 30+ ppg in his prime in any NBA era, that's just a fact.

The SG position may not have been as deep in the 90s, BUT in general NBA defence was far more physical back then and going into the lane meant you were going to often times get knocked on your ass.

The big men who protected the paint in the 90s are far better than the joke the league has become today. Crying about Roy Hibbert? LOL, try driving against Hakeem, Ewing, DRob, Mutombo, Lambeer, young Shaq etc. The power forwards of the 90s are tougher/meaner than the centers of today.

MJ would be able to get to rim at will in today's NBA. You'd have to either foul him or basically watch him go straight to the rim.

[AintNoSunshine]

His archrival was Jeff Hornysack probably, considering they met twice in the freakin Finals. Joe Dumars too but he lost more than he won.

MJ's the GOAT tho to be honest.

[MJistheGOAT]

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