Who got robbed worse for mvp 2011 LeBron or 2006 Kobe?

[dannysc305]

Cause we all know rose and Nash are probably 2 of the worst mvps ever. I'm surprised Kobe has only accumulated 1 mvp in his illustrious career and even more surprised he averaged 35 ppg and still didn't win the award. I'm sitting there thinking highway robbery, then Derrick roses 2011 mvp came to mind. Who you think got shafted worse? I'm a (objective) lebron fan and I gotta go with Kobe on this one. Probably the greatest heist in mvp history. I'd say Kobe's deserving of at least 3 for his career but I see the 2000s mvp list littered with Duncan's Nash's Garnett's and lebron's

Full mvp list: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award

[Black and White]

06 Mamba got shafted.

[JohnFreeman]

Both

[Milbuck]

Both
This

[KyleKong]

**** you and your LeBron agenda thread by comparing with Kobe's 2006 season.

[Smoke117]

Neither one was robbed.

[dannysc305]

**** you and your LeBron agenda thread by comparing with Kobe's 2006 season.

**** you and your insecurities too f@qqot

[greymatter]

Lebron wasn't robbed. Dwight was. Kobe had zero case for MVP for the same reason 3rd year Jordan had zero case.

[TheNaturalWR]

Uhm how was LeBron robbed if his teammate essentially put up the same production...

[truhooper]

kobe robbed cp3 in 08 tho :confusedshrug:

[JohnFreeman]

kobe robbed cp3 in 08 tho :confusedshrug:
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[Deuce Bigalow]

kobe robbed cp3 in 08 tho :confusedshrug:
When's the last time a player led his team to the #1 seed in his own conference without an allstar teammate? '10 Lebron maybe?

[Genaro]

Shaq in 01 and 05, Kobe in 06 and Dwight in 2011.

[nathanjizzle]

you actually think lebron deserved mvp in 2011? remember how he only played the first 3 quarters? remember how he had a losing record to elite teams.:roll:
you could have atleast said dwight howard breh, but you said lebron :roll:

[Myth]

I don't think either deserved the MVP, but LeBron was closer than Kobe in those respective years. LeBron had stats and team record that were strong. Kobe had stats and 7th seed. Stats alone don't equal MVP, otherwise McGrady has a case for 2004.

[JohnFreeman]

you actually think lebron deserved mvp in 2011? remember how he only played the first 3 quarters? remember how he had a losing record to elite teams.:roll:
you could have atleast said dwight howard breh, but you said lebron :roll:

I remember LeBron choking in the 4th against Chicago in game 5 and losing the series......wait

[Number24]

And epic no shows in most of their 4rth quarters against the Mavericks!

[Pointguard]

When's the last time a player led his team to the #1 seed in his own conference without an allstar teammate? '10 Lebron maybe?
2011 Derrick Rose except he had the best record in the league.

[MichaelCorleone]

2011 Lebron

2008 Chris Paul

[sd3035]

The MVP is a joke anyways. Media hype award

[SamuraiSWISH]

Duncan 2007
Kobe 2006
Duncan 2005
Shaq 2002
Jordan '97
Jordan '93
Jordan '90
Jordan '89

[Pointguard]

Cause we all know rose and Nash are probably 2 of the worst mvps ever. I'm surprised Kobe has only accumulated 1 mvp in his illustrious career and even more surprised he averaged 35 ppg and still didn't win the award. I'm sitting there thinking highway robbery, then Derrick roses 2011 mvp came to mind. Who you think got shafted worse? I'm a (objective) lebron fan and I gotta go with Kobe on this one. Probably the greatest heist in mvp history. I'd say Kobe's deserving of at least 3 for his career but I see the 2000s mvp list littered with Duncan's Nash's Garnett's and lebron's

Full mvp list: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Most_Valuable_Player_Award

You said littered? with Duncan, Nash, Garnett and Lebron MVP's and you are an objective Lebron fan. Who do you think you are fooling? So what should a non littered mvp look like. You said Kobe deserved three but you only mention one. Speak up. No way was Lebron teaming up with two other superstars was going to get mercy when Rose's team had a better record, crazy injuries, no allstars, and a much better record against elite teams. And Lebron picked Rose as MVP himself.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lebron has no argument against Dwight or Dirk for the 2011 MVP.

The Mavs won 57 games with Dirk missing 9 and the Mavs went 2-7 in those 9 games.

The Heat won 58 games with Lebron missing 3 games and having a much more stacked team.

Dwight was DPOY and carried a sht team to 52.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Duncan 2007
Kobe 2006
Duncan 2005
Shaq 2002
Jordan '97
Jordan '93
Jordan '90
Jordan '89

Karl Malone 98
Hakeem 93
Kobe 06
Shaq 01

How the fck does Duncan have an argument over Dirk for 07 regular season:facepalm :facepalm The nikka carried a sht supporting cast to 67 wins:facepalm

[Pointguard]

Lebron has no argument against Dwight or Dirk for the 2011 MVP.

The Mavs won 57 games with Dirk missing 9 and the Mavs went 2-7 in those 9 games.

The Heat won 58 games with Lebron missing 3 games and having a much more stacked team.

Dwight was DPOY and carried a sht team to 52.

Dirk's 23 and 7 and nobody here or on any board thought Dirk was close and he got all the first place votes he deserved. The 2 and 7 record was bogus. Not only did 5 of those loses come to teams that beat Dallas in Dallas with a healthy Dirk playing, but Dallas had also just lost their second highest scorer along with Dirk just as the losing streak happened.

Dwight was dissed throughout the year, showed poor leadership and left stage right in early March.

Howard got three first place votes and Lebron got four??? It wasn't close. Most people here on this board were saying it was Roses even before March '11. It was a landslide vote that most people were predicting so it was only a bad choice to the haters who are still hurt over it. Its time to get over it people.

[kobeef24]

They're pretty equal IMO, but who cares it's just an MVP.

[East_Stone_Ya]

2011

[BigTicket]

Neither one of them got robbed.

Also, it's not like they came in a close 2nd in the MVP voting those years. Kobe was 4th in 2006 and Lebron was 3rd in 2011.

[PostUpFreak]

The 2008 MVP Award was really a close one w/ kobe and cp3 neck and neck,i think it was decided by their final regular season meeting in which kobe and the lakers won.

[Combat Wombat]

The 2008 MVP Award was really a close one w/ kobe and cp3 neck and neck,i think it was decided by their final regular season meeting in which kobe and the lakers won.

Why are you using two accounts in the one thread, MichaelCorleone?

Jizz Magician

[PostUpFreak]

Why are you using two accounts in the one thread, MichaelCorleone?

Jizz Magician
dude im not MC, just pretending to be his alt,and i got banned fo that

[Bandito]

I don't think either deserved the MVP, but LeBron was closer than Kobe in those respective years. LeBron had stats and team record that were strong. Kobe had stats and 7th seed. Stats alone don't equal MVP, otherwise McGrady has a case for 2004.
Sadly this. Kobe's team sucked.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Duncan 2007
Kobe 2006
Duncan 2005
Shaq 2002
Jordan '97
Jordan '93
Jordan '90
Jordan '89
http://media2.giphy.com/media/n8LOaQyDyiEhi/giphy.gif

[HurricaneKid]

Neither. Dwight should have won in 2011 and Dirk/LeBron should have won in 2006. Dirk won 15 more games, had better advanced stats, etc. Same with LeBron. As great a career as Kobe has had, he shouldn't have any MVPs. I don't know that he has ever been all that close to deserving. Maybe he conserves energy for the playoffs.

[SilkkTheShocker]

You can't win MVP if your team doesn't even have 50 wins.

[Mr Exlax]

2011 Dwight

[ArbitraryWater]

Jordan averaged 37 PPG, didn't win an MVP either... no talk about that


2006 would be more so Dirk than Kobe. In fact, as we know LeBron finished ahead of him. But I would have given 2006 to Dirk.

2011 LeBron/Howard

[SHABBA]

Shaq in 01 and 05, Kobe in 06 and Dwight in 2011.
This.

[ArbitraryWater]

Duncan 2007
Kobe 2006
Duncan 2005
Shaq 2002
Jordan '97
Jordan '93
Jordan '90
Jordan '89
http://media2.giphy.com/media/n8LOaQyDyiEhi/giphy.gif

LOL

Just watched the movie last night and thought why I never seen a gif of that.. cray


btw you failed with the quoting

[Marlo_Stanfield]

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]

LOL

Just watched the movie last night and thought why I never seen a gif of that.. cray


btw you failed with the quoting
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[pegasus]

Lebron had NO business being the MVP in 2011. He mightily struggled in 4th quarters and especially in game tying/winning situations. He had like 8-10 fails in a row. Plus Wade was just as good as him.

Rose, on the other hand, was the definition of MVP that year. He carried the Bulls from double-digit deficits to victories in several games. Even Lebron, who happens to be the most egotistical athlete of our time, said Rose deserved to be the MVP.

Howard and especially Dirk also played at the MVP level that year, but Howard didn't have the team record, and Dirk was injured for 2-3 weeks otherwise he could have won it. The fact that his team lost most of their games without him should have helped his case, but I still say Rose was the right choice. Dirk later became the Finals MVP anyway. In 2011, regular season and playoffs combined, Dirk >>>> anyone else.

[Mass Debator]

Derrick Rose didn't deserve MVP? He only missed 1 game and took that team to 62 victories. 25/8/4 was impressive enough as well. Dirk averaged 23/7 with a worse record...Lebron had a Wade who was also in the MVP talks...Dwight didn't have the record to back him up.

People are just hating that D-Rose was just 22 and was a part of a great defensive team that could get 50 wins without him. 50 is good but 60 is pretty great.

[HurricaneKid]

Derrick Rose didn't deserve MVP? He only missed 1 game and took that team to 62 victories. 25/8/4 was impressive enough as well. Dirk averaged 23/7 with a worse record...Lebron had a Wade who was also in the MVP talks...Dwight didn't have the record to back him up.

People are just hating that D-Rose was just 22 and was a part of a great defensive team that could get 50 wins without him. 50 is good but 60 is pretty great.

Rose was given the benefit of the impact Thibs had on the team. No, Rose didn't deserve the MVP. Not even close.

LOL at "Dwight only won 52 games and didn't have the record necessary to win MVP... Kobe should have won in 06 with 7 fewer wins..."

[Fox]

http://oi49.tinypic.com/34814if.jpg

[kamil]

Uhm how was LeBron robbed if his teammate essentially put up the same production...

Forget the numbers.

Collusion should void you of any MVP award.

[HurricaneKid]

Plus Wade was just as good as him.

?!?

LeBron shot better from 2, better from 3, better from the line, scored more points 20% more rebs, 50% more assts, more points, more... everything.

Just a dumb thing to say.

[Mass Debator]

Rose was given the benefit of the impact Thibs had on the team. No, Rose didn't deserve the MVP. Not even close.

LOL at "Dwight only won 52 games and didn't have the record necessary to win MVP... Kobe should have won in 06 with 7 fewer wins..."
I didn't say any of the names I mentioned didn't deserve MVP. It's just when compared to what Rose accomplished that season with his team, Rose clearly deserved his shine and I don't understand why people are taking away from it.

In 2006, if Kobe got MVP, I wouldn't mind just like how Steve Nash got MVP. In 2011, I wouldn't mind if Dirk, Lebron, Wade, or Dwight got MVP also. D-Rose got it and I respect it because all the facts support his claim.

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe was robbed in 09

[HurricaneKid]

I didn't say any of the names I mentioned didn't deserve MVP. It's just when compared to what Rose accomplished that season with his team, Rose clearly deserved his shine and I don't understand why people are taking away from it.

In 2006, if Kobe got MVP, I wouldn't mind just like how Steve Nash got MVP. In 2011, I wouldn't mind if Dirk, Lebron, Wade, or Dwight got MVP also. D-Rose got it and I respect it because all the facts support his claim.

I feel confident we can utilize analytics to see a player's impact on his team. Its not that he was #9 in PER; its that he was #35 in RAPM (adjusted +/-).

Rose was attributed with the improved record but Thibs had more to do with it; with half a team he made it to the second round of the playoffs last year.

Nash took over a bad team and made it into the best offense the NBA has ever seen. He wasn't deserving of two MVPs but there weren't a ton of elite options at that time either. In 2011 there were some VERY strong candidates.

[HurricaneKid]

kobe was robbed in 09

This is a dumb thing to say. He wasn't half the player Wade was in 09. And Wade wasn't half the player LeBron was that year.

LeBron's 09 season might have been the best season of my lifetime.

[Pointguard]

Rose was given the benefit of the impact Thibs had on the team. No, Rose didn't deserve the MVP. Not even close.

LOL at "Dwight only won 52 games and didn't have the record necessary to win MVP... Kobe should have won in 06 with 7 fewer wins..."

The coaching argument is complete garbage because Thibes had about three offensive sets that year he over relied on Rose to improvise. rose had waaaasy more offensive responsibility than any superstar that year.

And wow at the coaching statement... Kobe, Shaq, Jordan, Duncan all had better coaches and more offensive help. Complete garbage argument.

[Pointguard]

Dwight lost the team built around him because another MVP candidate totally humiliated the Magic. This was before Rose went into Orlando and out scored DH in points in the paint.

This was the first of 3 teams Dwight totally messed up in succession with his total lack of leadership and disruptive ways.

[Mass Debator]

I feel confident we can utilize analytics to see a player's impact on his team. Its not that he was #9 in PER; its that he was #35 in RAPM (adjusted +/-).

Rose was attributed with the improved record but Thibs had more to do with it; with half a team he made it to the second round of the playoffs last year.

Nash took over a bad team and made it into the best offense the NBA has ever seen. He wasn't deserving of two MVPs but there weren't a ton of elite options at that time either. In 2011 there were some VERY strong candidates.
If Lebron was on those Bulls that year, you think he'd better a 62 win record? Take him off the next year and they'd still manage to get around 45 wins like they did without Rose. Should that take anything away from Lebron? Put a healthy D-Rose on today's Bucks team and he gets them 40-50 wins. Does that get him MVP for adding on 30 wins on a bad losing team?

Steve Nash wasn't even top 10 in PER when he got his MVP in 2006. Billups even had a higher PER.

In 2011, they followed their usual criteria of the best player on the best team. If it was Boozer as the MVP with a 18/9 average, then we can argue about the MVP conspiracy, but we're talking about D-Rose who dropped 25/8 and was the only focal point of his offense.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Neither was robbed.

[Im Still Ballin]

Neither was robbed.

This.

2011 should be Dwights or even Dirks

2006? Dont get me started on OverratedBe

[HOoopCityJones]

This.

2011 should be Dwights or even Dirks

2006? Dont get me started on OverratedBe

If Lebron put up the numbers he did that year you'd probably send your nads to his house wrapped in stan paper.

[Im Still Ballin]

If Lebron put up the numbers he did that year you'd probably send your nads to his house wrapped in stan paper.

If Lebron shot that many times he'd be 40ppg
#Realtalk

[ImKobe]

kobe was robbed in 09

65-17 record, Kobe averaging 27 5 5, definitely arguable.

[ImKobe]

This is a dumb thing to say. He wasn't half the player Wade was in 09. And Wade wasn't half the player LeBron was that year.

LeBron's 09 season might have been the best season of my lifetime.

Especially the Playoffs, where he couldn't even make it to the Finals :rolleyes:

lol getting owned by Dwight Howard n Turkoglu, I thought Bran could guard all 5 positions.

[LeBron 06]

65-17 record, Kobe averaging 27 5 5, definitely arguable.


For LeBron it was,66-16(26-4 vs west) and he averaging 28-7-7 on 49%!

[funnystuff]

If Lebron put up as many shots as Kobe in 06, he'd have better numbers by a wide margin.

[magnax1]

Dwight got robbed in 11, not Lebron.

[moe94]

65-17 record, Kobe averaging 27 5 5, definitely arguable.

What is there to argue? Worse stats and worse record while getting an undeserved one the year prior. That's what you call zero argument.

[SilkkTheShocker]

If LeBron didn't get the MVP in 07 or 08, than you can't give it to Dwight. Regular season records weigh heavily into these things.

[Cold soul]

2006 Kobe was flat out robbed. So him...

[Mr. Jabbar]

kobe should sue the nba for 2006

[DMAVS41]

Dwight got robbed in 11, not Lebron.

Nobody got robbed. Rose was the clear MVP.

However, both Dirk and Howard were better candidates than Lebron in 11 (who underachieved with a loaded roster in the regular season and sucked in game winning situations all year)

But Rose deserved MVP...it was clear.



And Kobe absolutely did not get robbed in 06. That is laughable...

[Mr. Jabbar]

Nobody got robbed. Rose was the clear MVP.

However, both Dirk and Howard were better candidates than Lebron in 11 (who underachieved with a loaded roster in the regular season and sucked in game winning situations all year)

But Rose deserved MVP...it was clear.



And Kobe absolutely did not get robbed in 06. That is laughable...

the nba formally apologized to kobe for the 2006 mvp 2 years later, also known as 2008

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Nah, Rose actually deserved it in '11. At least he deserved it over Lebron. And no one other than Kirby stans thinks he got robbed in '06. Even then, the league made up for it by gifting him one in '08.

[moe94]

But Rose deserved MVP...it was clear..

Rose wasn't even a top 5 player when he won. What's so clear about that?

[ImKobe]

For LeBron it was,66-16(26-4 vs west) and he averaging 28-7-7 on 49%!

I said arguable :rolleyes:

Kobe had the better year anyways, averaging 30 5 6 in the Playoffs and winning the FMVP > whatever stats Bran put up en route to a Playoff exit.

[ImKobe]

What is there to argue? Worse stats and worse record while getting an undeserved one the year prior. That's what you call zero argument.

:rolleyes:

Playoffs showed who was the better player. 32 ppg 5 rpg 7 apg in the Finals, first player since 1991 to average at least that in a Finals series.

[coolhandsteve]

Derrick Rose averaged 25 & 8 assists while leading a team most thought would end up in the middle of the pack in the East before that season to the best record in the league & a 21 game improvement over the previous season.

I think he deserved that MVP.

[LeBron 06]

:rolleyes:

Playoffs showed who was the better player. 32 ppg 5 rpg 7 apg in the Finals, first player since 1991 to average at least that in a Finals series.

LeBron had 38-8-8 vs Magic on 50% in the ECF:lol :lol :lol


The big difference between the lakers and cavs, is that the lakers could stop Howard, while the cavs were unable to contain Howard

[LeBron 06]

Nobody got robbed. Rose was the clear MVP.

However, both Dirk and Howard were better candidates than Lebron in 11 (who underachieved with a loaded roster in the regular season and sucked in game winning situations all year)

But Rose deserved MVP...it was clear.



And Kobe absolutely did not get robbed in 06. That is laughable...

Since when a record of 58-24 is underachieved?

The heat also had no bench, no center and no PG in 2011

[ImKobe]

LeBron had 38-8-8 vs Magic on 50% in the ECF:lol :lol :lol


The big difference between the lakers and cavs, is that the lakers could stop Howard, while the cavs were unable to contain Howard

I thought Bran could guard all 5 positions :confusedshrug:


While those stats are cute, he didn't make it to the Finals, didn't even come close to winning the series. Came up short when it mattered(the games were close). Bran was down 1 - 3 in that series before losing in 6.

Lost Game 1 @ home by a point with Orlando making a run in the 4th quarter
Lost Game 4 on the road by 2 points in OT

While Howard didn't score as many points on the offensive end in the Finals, he averaged 15 rebounds and 4 blocks in the series as opposed to 13 rebounds and 1 block against the Cavs.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I thought Bran could guard all 5 positions :confusedshrug:


While those stats are cute, he didn't make it to the Finals, didn't even come close to winning the series. Came up short when it mattered(the games were close). Bran was down 1 - 3 in that series before losing in 6.

Lost Game 1 @ home by a point with Orlando making a run in the 4th quarter
Lost Game 4 on the road by 2 points in OT

While Howard didn't score as many points on the offensive end in the Finals, he averaged 15 rebounds and 4 blocks in the series as opposed to 13 rebounds and 1 block against the Cavs.

Are you trolling or are you really this dumb?

[LeBron 06]

I thought Bran could guard all 5 positions :confusedshrug:


While those stats are cute, he didn't make it to the Finals, didn't even come close to winning the series. Came up short when it mattered(the games were close). Bran was down 1 - 3 in that series before losing in 6.

Lost Game 1 @ home by a point with Orlando making a run in the 4th quarter
Lost Game 4 on the road by 2 points in OT

While Howard didn't score as many points on the offensive end in the Finals, he averaged 15 rebounds and 4 blocks in the series as opposed to 13 rebounds and 1 block against the Cavs.



:rolleyes:

[Boarder Patrol]

Kobe was robbed more. That was Dwight's award in 2011.

[ImKobe]

Are you trolling or are you really this dumb?

:confusedshrug:

[DMAVS41]

Since when a record of 58-24 is underachieved?

The heat also had no bench, no center and no PG in 2011

Since when you play with prime Wade and Bosh...

How is that not underachieving?

The Dirk led Mavs won 57 in a better conference...with Dirk missing 9 games (2-7 without him)

So if winning 58 with the most stacked team in the league is not underachieving...what do you call what Dirk and the Mavs did in 11? The greatest regular season ever or some total bullshit?

Lebron was not MVP in 11 nor did he have a good case at all for MVP.

And Lebron fans really need to stop talking about that 11 roster like it wasn't great. The only reason the Heat didn't dominate in the playoffs start to finish was because of Lebron's epic meltdown in the finals.

I'm so sick of hearing about how a Heat team that had the 3rd best offense and 5th best defense...(despite taking about 17 games to learn to play with each other)...was somehow not a stacked ****ing team. They were.

The excuses for 11 just floor me. They were all healthy in the playoffs...Wade was still in peak/prime form. And they played elite on both ends.

In 12 Bosh was hurt and they had the 8th best offense and 4th best defense
In 13 they were great in the regular season offensively (2nd best), but had the 9th best defense...and then Wade was a shell in the playoffs


Lebron fans need to wake up. The 11 Heat were the best team of the bunch...it was just Lebron falling apart that happened. Not a weak roster...not a lack of pg play...nothing. It was Lebron wetting the bed in the biggest series of his career to date.

I'll say it again;

11 Heat: 3rd best offense and 5th best defense...key guys healthy for playoffs
12 Heat: 8th best offense and 4th best defense...Bosh missed key games in playoffs...Wade regressed noticeably
13 Heat: 2nd best offense and 9th best defense....Wade was a shell and Bosh played poorly in playoffs

And again...the 11 Heat took 17 games to really get it going...they were 9-8 to start the season and finished 58-24...that means they went 49-16 the rest of the season. That is better than their pace in 12.

[LeBron 06]

Since when you play with prime Wade and Bosh...

How is that not underachieving?

The Dirk led Mavs won 57 in a better conference...with Dirk missing 9 games (2-7 without him)


58-24 is still a great record and this was despite they started 9-8 and the chemistry was not very good, especially in close games

They were better in close games against Boston and Chicago in the playoffs, but unfortunately the heat have had a big collapse in game 2 against Dallas(Probably the worst loss of my life)

[ArbitraryWater]

I thought Bran could guard all 5 positions :confusedshrug:


While those stats are cute, he didn't make it to the Finals, didn't even come close to winning the series. Came up short when it mattered(the games were close). Bran was down 1 - 3 in that series before losing in 6.

Lost Game 1 @ home by a point with Orlando making a run in the 4th quarter
Lost Game 4 on the road by 2 points in OT

While Howard didn't score as many points on the offensive end in the Finals, he averaged 15 rebounds and 4 blocks in the series as opposed to 13 rebounds and 1 block against the Cavs.

This better be trolling. You're better than this shit

[DMAVS41]

58-24 is still a great record and this was despite they started 9-8 and the chemistry was not very good, especially in close games

They were better in close games against Boston and Chicago in the playoffs, but unfortunately the heat have had a big collapse in game 2 against Dallas(Probably the worst loss of my life)

For sure, but the record doesn't even do that team justice in terms of how good they actually were...49-16 once they got going...then dominated the East in the playoffs

Going 12-3 to get to the finals...8-2 against two very good to great teams in the Celtics and Bulls...Bulls won 62 and Celtics won 56

And they were elite on both ends of the floor...

If Lebron plays his normal ball...that is the best Heat team in the playoffs to date. They blew that big lead in game 2 and then Lebron went into hiding the rest of the series.

Is what it is...people acting like there was something wrong with the Heat team in 11 are just ignoring all the facts.

[nathanjizzle]

For sure, but the record doesn't even do that team justice in terms of how good they actually were...49-16 once they got going...then dominated the East in the playoffs

Going 12-3 to get to the finals...8-2 against two very good to great teams in the Celtics and Bulls...Bulls won 62 and Celtics won 56

And they were elite on both ends of the floor...

If Lebron plays his normal ball...that is the best Heat team in the playoffs to date. They blew that big lead in game 2 and then Lebron went into hiding the rest of the series.

Is what it is...people acting like there was something wrong with the Heat team in 11 are just ignoring all the facts.

they were like 7-12 against the top 8 teams in the league:roll:

[JohnFreeman]

Anyone but Rose in 2011 deserved it

[MichaelCorleone]

Anyone but Rose in 2011 deserved it
This.

[Jameerthefear]

isn't 2011 the year had all those missed gamewinners? or was that '12? either way he didn't deserve ut for '11

[DMAVS41]

they were like 7-12 against the top 8 teams in the league:roll:

So? Also, they went 1-4 against top 8 teams in the first 17 games in which they clearly hadn't had it figure out.

They want 8-2 against the two best teams in the East in the most important games of the year.

Once they truly found their groove...they were unstoppable until the Lebron meltdown...making your boy Rose and the Bulls look like bums...(especially Rose)

[SamuraiSWISH]

http://oi49.tinypic.com/34814if.jpg
:oldlol:

[tpols]

Since when you play with prime Wade and Bosh...

How is that not underachieving?

The Dirk led Mavs won 57 in a better conference...with Dirk missing 9 games (2-7 without him)

So if winning 58 with the most stacked team in the league is not underachieving...what do you call what Dirk and the Mavs did in 11? The greatest regular season ever or some total bullshit?

Lebron was not MVP in 11 nor did he have a good case at all for MVP.

And Lebron fans really need to stop talking about that 11 roster like it wasn't great. The only reason the Heat didn't dominate in the playoffs start to finish was because of Lebron's epic meltdown in the finals.

I'm so sick of hearing about how a Heat team that had the 3rd best offense and 5th best defense...(despite taking about 17 games to learn to play with each other)...was somehow not a stacked ****ing team. They were.

The excuses for 11 just floor me. They were all healthy in the playoffs...Wade was still in peak/prime form. And they played elite on both ends.

In 12 Bosh was hurt and they had the 8th best offense and 4th best defense
In 13 they were great in the regular season offensively (2nd best), but had the 9th best defense...and then Wade was a shell in the playoffs


Lebron fans need to wake up. The 11 Heat were the best team of the bunch...it was just Lebron falling apart that happened. Not a weak roster...not a lack of pg play...nothing. It was Lebron wetting the bed in the biggest series of his career to date.

I'll say it again;

11 Heat: 3rd best offense and 5th best defense...key guys healthy for playoffs
12 Heat: 8th best offense and 4th best defense...Bosh missed key games in playoffs...Wade regressed noticeably
13 Heat: 2nd best offense and 9th best defense....Wade was a shell and Bosh played poorly in playoffs

And again...the 11 Heat took 17 games to really get it going...they were 9-8 to start the season and finished 58-24...that means they went 49-16 the rest of the season. That is better than their pace in 12.

Considering regular season + playoffs Bran's 2011 season may be one of the biggest underachieving seasons of all time.. that was a trainwreck of a start but nice job rectifying it the past two years.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Of course Lebron lol, you cant get MVP with your team being a 7th seed in your conference, it just wont ever happen.

[NumberSix]

Interesting that the same people who deem KD as the current MVp using team record as a major factor also say 2011 Dwight over LeBron.