More Stacked Supporting Cast: Jordan or LeBron?

[eliteballer]

Jordan:

Pippen: Top 25 player All-Time, arguably best perimeter player in NBA history
Kerr: Arguably best 3 point shooter in NBA history
Rodman: Arguably best rebounder in NBA history, one of the best defenders
Cartwright: Top 3 pick
Kukoc: "Euro Jordan", 6th man of the year, 20 ppg scorer
BJ Armstrong: All-Star
Ron Harper: 20 PPG player before joining Bulls,
Horace Grant: All-Star, won championship without Jordan.


LeBron:

Wade: Multiple All-Star, 30 ppg player, champion without LeBron. Top 30 All-Time.
Ray Allen: Hall of Famer, Arguably best 3 point shooter in history. Franchise player.
Oden: #1 Pick
Battier: Elite defender, top 3 point shooter.
Mike Miller: Multiple All-Star, 20 ppg scorer
Bosh: Multiple All-Star, 24/10 player

Hm..tough one. The fact that LeBron has also played his entire career in a weak conference might tip it in his favor:coleman:

[SamuraiSWISH]

Who cares

MJ > Kobe
LeBron > Magic

Deal with it Jack Nicholson

[eliteballer]

Stick to the topic bruh.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Stick to the topic bruh.
That is the topic. Neither Jordan, or LeBron played with another Top 10 player all-time.

[Black and White]

Jordan:

Pippen: Top 25 player All-Time, arguably best perimeter player in NBA history
Kerr: Arguably best 3 point shooter in NBA history
Rodman: Arguably best rebounder in NBA history, one of the best defenders
Cartwright: Top 3 pick
Kukoc: "Euro Jordan", 6th man of the year, 20 ppg scorer
BJ Armstrong: All-Star
Ron Harper: 20 PPG player before joining Bulls,
Horace Grant: All-Star, won championship without Jordan.


LeBron:

Wade: Multiple All-Star, 30 ppg player, champion without LeBron. Top 30 All-Time.
Ray Allen: Hall of Famer, Arguably best 3 point shooter in history. Franchise player.
Oden: #1 Pick
Battier: Elite defender, top 3 point shooter.
Mike Miller: Multiple All-Star, 20 ppg scorer
Bosh: Multiple All-Star, 24/10 player

Hm..tough one. The fact that LeBron has also played his entire career in a weak conference might tip it in his favor:coleman:

Reggie Miller and Allen are in the arguement.

[livinglegend]

Easily Jordan.
Bosh averaged 9 ppg 4 rbs against pacers.
Wade was something like 12 ppg.
His 2nd best was Birdman in that series.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kobe and the 04 Lakers

[SamuraiSWISH]

2004 Lakers (Shaq, Mailman, Kobe, GP)
2012 Lakers (Kobe, Dwight, Gasol, Nash)
2000 Lakers (Shaq, Kobe, Rice, Horry)

[SilkkTheShocker]

OP getting owned. Both players are better than Kobe ever was :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

MJ, but its because Bron's has been plagued w/ injuries.

2011 Miami = scary if Bron played up to his potential

[Prometheus]

Jordan:

Pippen: Top 25 player All-Time, arguably best perimeter player in NBA history
Kerr: Arguably best 3 point shooter in NBA history
Rodman: Arguably best rebounder in NBA history, one of the best defenders
Cartwright: Top 3 pick
Kukoc: "Euro Jordan", 6th man of the year, 20 ppg scorer
BJ Armstrong: All-Star
Ron Harper: 20 PPG player before joining Bulls,
Horace Grant: All-Star, won championship without Jordan.


LeBron:

Wade: Multiple All-Star, 30 ppg player, champion without LeBron. Top 30 All-Time.
Ray Allen: Hall of Famer, Arguably best 3 point shooter in history. Franchise player.
Oden: #1 Pick
Battier: Elite defender, top 3 point shooter.
Mike Miller: Multiple All-Star, 20 ppg scorer
Bosh: Multiple All-Star, 24/10 player

Hm..tough one. The fact that LeBron has also played his entire career in a weak conference might tip it in his favor:coleman:

Prime Shaq is more valuable than this entire list.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Prime Shaq is more valuable than this entire list.
Bingo. What about Magic? According to Laker stans, Kareem is GOAT. So he had him, and James Worthy.

[Prometheus]

Bingo. What about Magic? According to Laker stans, Kareem is GOAT. So he had him, and James Worthy.

Laker Stans remind me of Beliebers.

[eliteballer]

Kobe=injured in 2004, 2013.

Malone/Payton/Nash-washed up

Jordan and Lebron: in primes, and supporting cast all or near primes.

If Shaq is more valuable than all that put together...you might as well concede he's better than Jordan.

[Black and White]

Kobe=injured in 2004, 2013.

Malone/Payton/Nash-washed up

Jordan and Lebron: in primes, and supporting cast all or near primes.

If Shaq is more valuable than all that put together...you might as well concede he's better than Jordan.

Ok I don't like LeBron, but how much of his supporting cast are in their primes? I mean seriously?

[eliteballer]

Don't know why you guys won't stick to the topic, Kobe or Magic are a different discussion. Feel free to make your own topic on that.

So whats the vote for Jordan vs. LeBron?:confusedshrug:

[navy]

Kobe.

[Prometheus]

Don't know why you guys won't stick to the topic, Kobe or Magic are a different discussion. Feel free to make your own topic on that.

So whats the vote for Jordan vs. LeBron?:confusedshrug:

Jordan > Kobe
LeBron > Kobe



























































































































































:roll:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kobe=injured in 2004, 2013.

Malone/Payton/Nash-washed up

Jordan and Lebron: in primes, and supporting cast all or near primes.

If Shaq is more valuable than all that put together...you might as well concede he's better than Jordan.

Didn't Malone and Payton both average 20ppg before coming to LA?

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kukoc was never a 20 ppg scorer BTW, best he did was 19 ppg on 42% as the lone gunman on the '99 Bulls.

Ron Harper was a shell of the guy who could score 20 - 24 ppg when he had his athleticism prior to injury. Don't exaggerate. Defensive role player who couldn't create offense.

Kerr is a role player, Craig Hodges was a role player, mere spot up shooters. Same goes for Paxson, and BJ Armstrong. What's next Jud Buchelor was a Lamar Odom caliber 6th man of the year?

Forgot 2010 Lakers (Kobe / Gasol / Artest / Odom / Bynum/ Fisher) ... STACKED. And 2010 was stacked, I remember thinking exactly that before the season started when they added DPOY caliber specialist Ron Artest.

If Horace Grant, and Harper are as great as you insinuate, then add the 2001 Lakers to most stacked of all-time (Shaq / Kobe / Horry / JR Rider / Harper / Grant / Fisher)

Oh, and the 2011 Lakers (Kobe / Gasol / Artest / Odom / Bynum / Fisher)

[DMV2]

Jordan:

Pippen: Top 25 player All-Time,
Stopped reading after seeing that.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan > Kobe
LeBron > Kobe
LeBron > Magic, too. Slightly inferior playmaker. But LeBron is a better scorer, and light years better as a defender. And to his credit, at least LeBron stuck it out in Cleveland for 7 years. He didn't cowardly, and selfishly manipulate where he was to be drafted.

[LeGOAT]

Prime Pippen>current Wade. Every other playoff game was a struggle for Wade in the playoffs die to injury and Bosh was nonexistent half the time as well. Ray Allen was terrible for the majority of the playoffs. Mike Miller was playing with a broken back

[Prometheus]

LeBron > Magic, too. Slightly inferior playmaker. But LeBron is a better scorer, and light years better as a defender. And to his credit, at least LeBron stuck it out in Cleveland for 7 years. He didn't cowardly, and selfishly manipulate where he was to be drafted.

Very unpopular opinion, but I totally agree. If Bron retired today, he would probably not be ranked as high. But the player that LeBron is right now is superior to any version of Magic, and I would say that about the last 4 years. If you ever feel like making a thread for that debate, I would love to partake.

[AirTupac]

Lmao at these sorry ass fools. Malone a 40 year old who was injured is being brought up in their lists :oldlol:

Dwight and Nash? L-M-A-O.

And then there's LeBron with prime Wade and Bosh with an allstar selection on the bench who signed for next to nothing. Now they have number 1 pick Greg Oden, number 2 pick Michael Beasley. So much firepower. Lastsentencewasjokes

[hahaitme]

Feel sorry for OP, getting ethered by everyone in this thread

[KyleKong]

Did OP really put Greg Oden as a "stacked" member?

:roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe...

Outside of 2004-2007 stacked rosters year in year out

[plowking]

Clearly this is about this season, since it includes Greg Oden, which is where I'll start.

Greg Oden? Hes the reason we're stacked? Aaron Gray at this point is probably as impactful in the NBA.
Ray Allen? The worst man defender in the league and the guy that's shooting 35.4% from 3 point land? Is that the one? The best shooter ever? The one that is shooting worse than Bron and Bosh, and Wade this season from 3 point land? Only player on your list that was great for a season at the Heat.
Shane Battier? Battier has never been close to being a top 3 point shooter during his stay in Miami. At best, and I mean absolute best, he was average, with a side of streaky.
Mike Miller? Clearly played like the multiple ALL STAR he is... Oh wait, he was never an All Star once... and never came close to cracking 20ppg.

The Heat are stacked because they're top heavy. Lebron, Bosh and Wade make them stacked. The players around them outside one or two pieces have never been that great, which is why collectively, over the time the big 3 have been together, they've had the worst bench in the league.
This team is really made up of everyone's seconds and players that passed waivers. No one wanted Birdman. No one wanted Beasley. No one bothered to pick up Oden earlier. Celtics were actively trading Ray Allen.
Shane Battier was probably one of the few prized pieces on the Heat, and hes turned out to be trash outside of his defense. He can't even do what he was known for best on offense anymore, and that's hit the 3.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Prime Shaq is more valuable than this entire list.

Jordan mythologists like to pretend 2008-2010 didn't happen...

:roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Very unpopular opinion, but I totally agree. If Bron retired today, he would probably not be ranked as high. But the player that LeBron is right now is superior to any version of Magic, and I would say that about the last 4 years. If you ever feel like making a thread for that debate, I would love to partake.

Definitely not popular, but I'm of the same opinion - and I would also participate in said thread.

[r0drig0lac]

compared their own competition, lebron

[SamuraiSWISH]

Jordan mythologists like to pretend 2008-2010 didn't happen...

Kobe apostles making stuff up. No one is ignoring it. Kobe's and co. won 2 rings.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Kobe apostles making stuff up. No one is ignoring it. Kobe's and co. won 2 rings.

Kobe and co= 1 lone run of the mill all star teammate and marginal HOFer

STACKED

The Lakers surrounded Kobe with the worst backcourt support (including SFs) in the league and turned Bynum into a 7pts/5reb a game one legged beast in the postseason.

STACKED

[MichaelCorleone]

Pippen/Rodman/Kukoc >>>>>>>>>>>>> Wade/Bosh/Allen

[eliteballer]

Magic averaged 22 points, 11 rebounds, 9 assists, 3 steals, 57% FG, 88% FT in the 1980 Finals as a 20 year old ROOKIE against a super team.

You really want to compare the 2011 Finals to that?:roll:

[aboss4real24]

The greatest perimeter defender ever (pippen)

the best ovrl defender arguably (rodman)

lets not 4get horace grant who was all star also

Vs

a washed up SG in wade who plays bout 1 game a week

1 of the softest big men n the lg n bosh

U Tell me who had a better tm

[MichaelCorleone]

The greatest perimeter defender ever (pippen)

the best ovrl defender arguably (rodman)

lets not 4get horace grant who was all star also

Vs

a washed up SG in wade who plays bout 1 game a week

1 of the softest big men n the lg n bosh

U Tell me who had a better tm
This. Great post.:cheers:

[russwest0]

Greatest 3pt shooter of all time in Ray Allen

Former FMVP and guy who won the finals on his own in Wade, all star starter

Elite 3rd option in Bosh, all star starter

Battier and Chalmers who are both great 3pt shooters, good defenders


One shot away from losing the Finals in 6 games, Lost to a far less talented Mavs squad in 2011.

[VIntageNOvel]

lol all those poster who bring kobe,
so lebron never play with shaq eh?:rolleyes:

OP asked a question, and you just need to answer it, you didnt need to act like a girl on PMS


to answer OP question: talent wise, Jordan, but prior to competition, its close

[JohnFreeman]

Jordan

[Round Mound]

Jordan

[MichaelCorleone]

Jordan

[Nikola_]

Joradn did more with more

[hahaitme]

One shot away from losing the Finals in 6 games, Lost to a far less talented Mavs squad in 2011.

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[c5terror]

1st peat bulls
Pippen < Wade ( peak 30ppg, Won a chip as the man)
Grant < Bosh ( Can shoot midrange and 3's, Multiple Allstar, Raptos Franchise PLayer)
Bill CarthR == BirdMan(birdman more athletic)
Paxon < Allen (The best 3pt shooter of all time, Save Lebron James ass when he was getting shutdown by boris ****ing diaw.
MJ>>>LBJ
BJ Armstrong < Chalmers and Miami Bench

Bulls Bench < Miami Bench

2nd peat Bulls

Rodam(34-36, old wash up,Diva,get ejected to often, get toyed in spurs, no other teams want to sign him that time)
Kukoc(Euro Trash, Love to make fancy passes that leads to TO making MJ kick his ass).
Pippen(31-33, slowly fading, injured, he got 20ppg because of jordan presence always giving him an open looks proof? Well just look what happen after he leave Bulls and join Houston )
Harper(32-35,old wash up,always got toast by a pg).

Bulls bench<Miami Bench

But still, all version of Bulls will beat 2011-2014 heat in 4 because of MJ.

[MichaelCorleone]

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/da/87/a9/da87a974c1f1fe41ce456972d16cb197.jpg

:applause:

[c5terror]

:applause:

Too bad this is not a race lol
And it does not apply for GOAT ranking race especially if GOAT ranking racer has multiple "*" on his resume.

[MichaelCorleone]

...has multiple "*" on his resume.
Kobe?

[mehyaM24]

Who cares

MJ > Kobe
LeBron > Magic

Deal with it Jack Nicholson

kareem > jordan
kobe > Wade

:confusedshrug:

[SamuraiSWISH]

kareem > jordan
:oldlol:

[MichaelCorleone]

kareem > jordan
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[mehyaM24]

:oldlol:

kareem is the greatest basketball player ever :confusedshrug:

[MichaelCorleone]

kareem is the greatest basketball player ever :confusedshrug:
No he's not, far from the greatest. He's at no.8 on my ranking.

[c5terror]

Kobe?

Both lebron and kobe.

LeQuit: Lebron Quit on cleaveland putting "*" in all of his postCle Accomplisment.
LeQuit reasoning is weak, he should've talk to management of the problem before leaving and propose a player to get or warn them, things like that, leaders thing but well he's not a leader so you know what happen.

MJ want bulls talk to him before making a change. That's the reason Pippen-Grant hill trade didn't happen. MJ warn Kraus if Pippen got traded, he'll leave. That is some principle that is thought in college. Since LBJ is uneducated tools (only College level). It's not that surprising to see LBJ lack of leadership skills. The miami heat real Leader up to now is still Wade.

[Prometheus]

1st peat bulls
Pippen < Wade ( peak 30ppg, Won a chip as the man)
Grant < Bosh ( Can shoot midrange and 3's, Multiple Allstar, Raptos Franchise PLayer)
Bill CarthR == BirdMan(birdman more athletic)
Paxon < Allen (The best 3pt shooter of all time, Save Lebron James ass when he was getting shutdown by boris ****ing diaw.
MJ>>>LBJ
BJ Armstrong < Chalmers and Miami Bench

Bulls Bench < Miami Bench

2nd peat Bulls

Rodam(34-36, old wash up,Diva,get ejected to often, get toyed in spurs, no other teams want to sign him that time)
Kukoc(Euro Trash, Love to make fancy passes that leads to TO making MJ kick his ass).
Pippen(31-33, slowly fading, injured, he got 20ppg because of jordan presence always giving him an open looks proof? Well just look what happen after he leave Bulls and join Houston )
Harper(32-35,old wash up,always got toast by a pg).

Bulls bench<Miami Bench

But still, all version of Bulls will beat 2011-2014 heat in 4 because of MJ.

aka "I didn't actually watch this shit"

[SamuraiSWISH]

To answer OP's trick question? Neither. Both the late 90's Bulls, and current Heat teams are stacked.

Jordan however won with significantly less help than he had on the late 90's teams, or the current Heat team. The early 90's Bulls required major heavy lifting from him.

As evidence by his vastly superior playoff numbers in those years compared to '96 - '98 Jordan, and '11 - '13 LeBron.

[houston]

easy Bron but he played against better teams

[SamuraiSWISH]

easy Bron but he played against better teams
Jordan played significantly more 60+ win teams.

[houston]

Jordan played significantly more 60+ win teams.


The Celtics big 3 is better than any team Jordan faced in playoff runs. Spurs 3 is also better too. That was the reason why Lebron went to the Heat. Boston was too much for him to beat without no other all-nba performers.

:oldlol: @ the 93 Knicks who won 60+ games was something special.

[SamuraiSWISH]

The Celtics big 3 is better than any team Jordan faced in playoff runs. Spurs 3 is also better too. That was the reason why Lebron went to the Heat. Boston was too much for him to beat without no other all-nba performers.

:oldlol: @ the 93 Knicks who won 60+ games was something special.
Don't be so obsessed with superstars. Using this logic the 2014 Pacers suck. They're very similar to the '93 Knicks. We going to act like the '92 Blazers, '93 Suns, '96 Magic, '96 Sonics, '97 Heat, '97 Jazz all didn't have multiple star players?

[houston]

Don't be so obsessed with superstars. Using this logic the 2014 Pacers suck. They're very similar to the '93 Knicks. We going to act like the '92 Blazers, '93 Suns, '96 Magic, '96 Sonics, '97 Heat, '97 Jazz all didn't have multiple star players?

None of those teams won a championship with their core pieces Spurs big 3 and Celtics did. That who the Heat had to beat to get those rings.

Plus all them teams you named choked hard too with their core best players.

[PsychoBe]

The Celtics big 3 is better than any team Jordan faced in playoff runs. Spurs 3 is also better too. That was the reason why Lebron went to the Heat. Boston was too much for him to beat without no other all-nba performers.

:oldlol: @ the 93 Knicks who won 60+ games was something special.

stop trolling.

jordan had to face the real celtics big-3 in bird, mchale, and parrish.

as well as more hofers in his time than any other point in the league's history.

[red1]

Talent-wise if you discount injuries then it is probably the heat but the bulls had better coaching and the parts just fit together better.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Jordan:

Cartwright: Top 3 pick


LeBron:

Oden: #1 Pick


I agree, look at those big name, high draft picks. So what's Kobe's excuse for missing the playoffs in his prime with a former #1 pick who was also in his prime.

The obvious answer is Kobe sucks, along with Jordan and LeBron. But Kobe sucks more. Excellent thread.

[Soundwave]

The Heat have more talent and better scoring options, but the Bulls play better as a team.

[Black and White]

None of those teams won a championship with their core pieces Spurs big 3 and Celtics did. That who the Heat had to beat to get those rings.

Plus all them teams you named choked hard too with their core best players.

How old are you?

[Blue&Orange]

None of those teams won a championship with their core pieces Spurs big 3 and Celtics did. That who the Heat had to beat to get those rings.

Two old decrepit teams, needed a ref job against the celtics and needed Ray Jesus Allen against the Spurs to beat them. Not to mention the stupidity of Vogel & pop of removing their center and best player out of the game, with the game on the line.


dat legacy.

[jstern]

Why all of a sudden is Kerr mentioned as if he was a game changer player? He is now brought up all the time. He was a roll player that really wouldn't have caused a difference if injured other than Harper playing a few more minutes.

[T_L_P]

What's your agenda?

Some say Pippen isn't even top 50, let alone top 25.

Kukoc never averaged more than 18.8 PPG in a season; and he never averaged more than 14.8 PPG in the Playoffs.

To answer your question: LeBron's.

It's pretty funny that with his squad he's lost in the Finals once and was taken to 7 games by a team whose 2 best players were 36 and 30. :oldlol:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Why all of a sudden is Kerr mentioned as if he was a game changer player? He is now brought up all the time. He was a roll player that really wouldn't have caused a difference if injured other than Harper playing a few more minutes.

He's only the most efficient 3 pt shooter of all time.

[Solefade]

Greatest 3pt shooter of all time in Ray Allen

Former FMVP and guy who won the finals on his own in Wade, all star starter

Elite 3rd option in Bosh, all star starter

Battier and Chalmers who are both great 3pt shooters, good defenders


One shot away from losing the Finals in 6 games, Lost to a far less talented Mavs squad in 2011.


2012 thunder: harden/wb/ibaka/collison/fisher (super clutch)

2013 lakers: kobe/nash/pau/dwight/metta

[97 bulls]

None of those teams won a championship with their core pieces Spurs big 3 and Celtics did. That who the Heat had to beat to get those rings.

Plus all them teams you named choked hard too with their core best players.
This line of reasoning is by far and away dumber than any other. And I mean in all of sports. The notion that the Bulls would be looked at in higher regard if they would've lost to one of the teams they faced in the 90s.

And if Im not mistaken, didnt the Bulls beat both the Pistons and Lakers in 91?

[catquickspider]

You forgot to include Michael Beasly

only fair if you mention cartwright :biggums: