"Harden has surpassed Melo as second best scorer" -George Karl

[MellowYellow]

This dude is so salty lol, James Harden got his 4th CAREER 40 point game LOL Melo has had 3 of those in his last 4 games. :facepalm

[SexSymbol]

Karl is a ****ing idiot. Yes, Melo was pathetic in leaving Denver for NY.
If not for cancer, you wouldn't hear shit about him.

[kurple]

Karl is bitter. but he knows better than anyone what it is to coach melo and have a team built around him

but i dont see why GK would say this now? Melo has been on a tear all season long

karl also loves a player that can get to the FT line (the melo nuggets always led the league in FTA)

[jstern]

Seriously, George Karl comes out looking really bad saying things like that. Even if he felt it, he should just stay quiet on the matter.

Is there a link? Need to see context.

[East_Stone_Ya]

great scorers bring wins

[Budadiiii]

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[Budadiiii]

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[kurple]

Seriously, George Karl comes out looking really bad saying things like that. Even if he felt it, he should just stay quiet on the matter.

Is there a link? Need to see context.
isnt he being payed by espn to say his opinion?

why dont all the people on ish just stay quiet on the matter instead?

[Budadiiii]

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[kurple]

walking dead sucks

even season 1 was lame

[MellowYellow]

Seriously, George Karl comes out looking really bad saying things like that. Even if he felt it, he should just stay quiet on the matter.

Is there a link? Need to see context.

Here is the video where he says it
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10519425

[russwest0]

George Karl is a ****ing moron for a commentator. He comes across as exactly what ESPN wants. A LeBron dicksucker, holds basically all cliche viewpoints, just a bunch of stuff.

[JohnFreeman]

I think Melo and Durant are tied for best scorers.

[jstern]

isnt he being payed by espn to say his opinion?

why dont all the people on ish just stay quiet on the matter instead?
Do you understand the reason why someone might say that he should stay quiet on the subject based on the quote that the OP posted? Don't try to twist it as if this is a freedom of speaking your mind issue.


Here is the video where he says it
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10519425

I saw the video, he said Harden might have over taken mello as the 2nd offensive player in the game, not scorer. That's not as bad as saying he's the 2nd best scorer, since there's more to offense than scoring. So he doesn't sound as bitter as I originally thought with your quote.

[MellowYellow]

Do you understand the reason why someone might say that he should stay quiet on the subject based on the quote that the OP posted? Don't try to twist it as if this is a freedom of speaking your mind issue.



I saw the video, he said Harden might have over taken mello as the 2nd offensive player in the game, not scorer. That's not as bad as saying he's the 2nd best scorer, since there's more to offense than scoring. So he doesn't sound as bitter as I originally thought with your quote.

If don't think that's what he is implying or else why wouldn't he have Lebron or Steph in front of him? They do everything better than Harden does.

[kurple]

Do you understand the reason why someone might say that he should stay quiet on the subject based on the quote that the OP posted? Don't try to twist it as if this is a freedom of speaking your mind issue.

so he shouldnt say what he's payed to say (his opininon), because you might not like it

i dont agree with him. but he has more reason to comment on this than anyone on this site

[SHAQisGOAT]

Same dude who've said Javale plays like Kareem and that Love was on the same level as Bird... When he was still a coach even.

:facepalm

[WallIn]

He probably also said that Isaiah Thomas is the best PG in the league after that one 30+ he had:oldlol:

[niko]

Karl is bitter. but he knows better than anyone what it is to coach melo and have a team built around him

but i dont see why GK would say this now? Melo has been on a tear all season long

karl also loves a player that can get to the FT line (the melo nuggets always led the league in FTA)
Karl said two weeks ago he knows Melo is leaving because Melo hasn't played hard any game this entire season. He might be a little salty.

[SHABBA]

Same dude who've said Javale plays like Kareem and that Love was on the same level as Bird... When he was still a coach even.

:facepalm
:lol

[christian1923]

No way he's a better scorer than Lebron too:facepalm lol

[NuggetsFan]

I think people are giving Karl way to much credit by saying he's bitter or salty. Dude just has a big ego. Saying things to be heard. George Karl deff loves himself some George Karl.

[imdaman99]

Floppy Harden better? Absolutely not. Harden has a better team, so he is winning more.

[JohnFreeman]

Floppy Harden better? Absolutely not. Harden has a better team, so he is winning more.
Pretty much. Melo in my opinion is still top with Durant

[SilkkTheShocker]

Karl is bitter. but he knows better than anyone what it is to coach melo and have a team built around him

but i dont see why GK would say this now? Melo has been on a tear all season long

karl also loves a player that can get to the FT line (the melo nuggets always led the league in FTA)

The "built around him" excuse :oldlol:

Never gets old

[ProfessorMurder]

Karl is bitter. but he knows better than anyone what it is to coach melo and have a team built around him

He has no reason to be bitter, it's not like he was fired because of Melo. If anything he knows more about Melo than almost anyone.

Everyone jerks off when Phil Jackson says something about Kobe or Jordan, good or bad, but Karl says something and he's 'bitter'.

[MellowYellow]

The "built around him" excuse :oldlol:

Never gets old

Would be saying the same thing about Lebron if he didn't hightail it out of Cleveland and join up with Bosh and Wade.

[MellowYellow]

He has no reason to be bitter, it's not like he was fired because of Melo. If anything he knows more about Melo than almost anyone.

Everyone jerks off when Phil Jackson says something about Kobe or Jordan, good or bad, but Karl says something and he's 'bitter'.

No he doesn't, Melo is a much better player now than he was on the Nuggets.

[Trollsmasher]

No way he's a better scorer than Lebron too:facepalm lol
People never call Lebron scorer since it would be insulting to his game. Those guys (KD, Melo, Harden) are just scorers so when somebody says "Scorer" they don't mean the scoring ability, but this type of one-dimensional player:cheers:

[navy]

Melo scores more points on higher efficiency. There is no argument.

[Milbuck]

Does anyone outside of Melo haters actually give a shit about what George Karl says? Great coach, but Goran ****ing Corleone is more objective than him.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Would be saying the same thing about Lebron if he didn't hightail it out of Cleveland and join up with Bosh and Wade.

Talk about missing the point. The "built around him" excuse is a fancy of saying a team lacked talent. And there isn't a comparison between Melo and LeBron's Nugget/Cavalier days. LeBron played with scrubs in Cleveland.

[UK2K]

Harden averages 2x as many assists as Melo?

[LeGOAT]

Lebron is a better scorer than Melo. I don't know why people always say Melo is.

Career high ppg: Lebron 31.7. Melo 28.9

PPG for career: Lebron 27.5 ppg on .495% shooting. Melo 25.3 ppg on .456% shooting.

This season: Lebron 26.9 ppg on .577% shooting, 17.2 att per game. Melo 28.2 ppg on .454% shooting, 22 att per game.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Lebron is a better scorer than Melo. I don't know why people always say Melo is.

Career high ppg: Lebron 31.7. Melo 28.9

PPG for career: Lebron 27.5 ppg on .495% shooting. Melo 25.3 ppg on .456% shooting.

This season: Lebron 26.9 ppg on .577% shooting, 17.2 att per game. Melo 28.2 ppg on .454% shooting, 22 att per game.

It's because he isn't as flashy as Melo. But LeBron is most definitely a better scorer.

[MellowYellow]

It's because he isn't as flashy as Melo. But LeBron is most definitely a better scorer.

Lebron is actually more flashy, people like dunks and that's half of what Lebron does.

[MellowYellow]

Harden averages 2x as many assists as Melo?

1.5 times and also 1.5 times the turnovers.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Lebron is actually more flashy, people like dunks and that's half of what Lebron does.

He probably meant Lebron's offensive game isn't as aesthetic as Melo's, but it's more effective.

[Manila]

melo is over rated. not a good scored. He is just scoring a lot of points because he has a bunch of FGA.

[LeGOAT]

It's because he isn't as flashy as Melo. But LeBron is most definitely a better scorer.
LOL what is flashy about Melo's scoring? Jab step, jab step, chuck threes and struggle to make layups.

[ClutchOver9000]

The FDA daily recommended sodium intake is about 3400 mg

Karl should cut down on the salt. Its not good for the health.

[SpecialQue]

George Karl is a ****ing moron for a commentator. He comes across as exactly what ESPN wants. A LeBron dicksucker, holds basically all cliche viewpoints, just a bunch of stuff.

I love how this looked like you were about to go into a longer rant, but then just said "fvck it" and gave up at the end.

[secund2nun]

Since when has Melo been the second best scorer in the NBA at any point? George Karl fail :oldlol:

[Black and White]

And the Harden overrating continues :rolleyes:

[Smook A.]

And the Harden overrating continues :rolleyes:
Who cares. It was just George karl.
I think harden is a top 10 player not top 5.

25/6/5 and atleast 1 steal a game while shooting 46% on a WINNING TEAM is definitely a top 10 player

[AnaheimLakers24]

karl is the biggest loser coach ever. glad the phil smacked his bitchass throughout the years

[Black and White]

Who cares. It was just George karl.
I think harden is a top 10 player not top 5.

25/6/5 and atleast 1 steal a game while shooting 46% on a WINNING TEAM is definitely a top 10 player

I have him sitting at #10 and pushing his way in, he is playing great recently

[Smook A.]

I have him sitting at #10 and pushing his way in, he is playing great recently
True. If he puts up 40 and the Rockets beat Clippers today then I'll say he's a top 3 player.

Actually nah im just messing with you lol :oldlol:

[Black and White]

True. If he puts up 40 and the Rockets beat Clippers today then I'll say he's a top 3 player.

Actually nah im just messing with you lol :oldlol:

Lol, nearly jumped out of my seat. Hes getting a lot better, this team however needs to be judged in the playoffs.

[YouGotServed]

ISH, where 15 year old nerds who have never set foot on a basketball court think they know more than a future HOFer who's coached at the highest levels in the NBA. :applause:

Harden is a better scorer, deal with it.

[Smook A.]

Lol, nearly jumped out of my seat. Hes getting a lot better, this team however needs to be judged in the playoffs.
Can't wait for the playoffs. Really hope my Rockets do well. And as for my celtics and bulls, they need a good draft

[MellowYellow]

ISH, where 15 year old nerds who have never set foot on a basketball court think they know more than a future HOFer who's coached at the highest levels in the NBA. :applause:

Harden is a better scorer, deal with it.

Facts> Opinion

Melo avgs 4 pts more on the same fg% and wayyyyy better from 3.

[Smook A.]

Facts> Opinion

Melo avgs 4 pts more on the same fg% and wayyyyy better from 3.
Melo is a better scorer. I think all-around though, Harden's stats are pretty nice, and so are Carmelo's. They only need defense

Harden: 25 ppg/6 apg/5 rpg/1.5 spg. Pretty nice

Melo: 28 ppg/9 rpg/3 apg/1 spg. Very nice

[smoovegittar]

George Karl has surpassed Tyson Chandler as the biggest whiner. :rolleyes:

[Smook A.]

I think these are the best PURE scorers right now
1. Durant
2. LeBron
3. Melo
4. Love
5. Harden
6. Curry
7. George

I have George low because of his FG% and inconsistency so far in 2014

*Edit - I switched love and melo*

[MellowYellow]

I think these are the best PURE scorers right now
1. Durant
2. LeBron
3. Love
4. Carmelo
5. Harden
6. Curry
7. George

I have George low because of his FG% and inconsistency so far in 2014

Love above melo because?

[Smook A.]

Love above melo because?
Nevermind. Im about to switch them

[MellowYellow]

Nevermind. Im about to switch them

I would put Curry over Harden too, but that's just me.

[Smook A.]

What do u mean by 'pure scorers', like skillset??
Sure, you can say that

[Black and White]

Can't wait for the playoffs. Really hope my Rockets do well. And as for my celtics and bulls, they need a good draft

Celtics are looking good, 17 picks in the next 5 years, plus cap flexibility, Ainge will also make some more trades/moves in the offseason.

[Big#50]

For a one way player Melo sure isn't that great of a scorer. Harden disrupts defenses in a greater way. IMO

[YouGotServed]

Facts> Opinion

Melo avgs 4 pts more on the same fg% and wayyyyy better from 3.

Harden's stats translate to wins. Carmelo is a career loser who will always put up inflated stats. Fact.

[Black and White]

Harden's stats translate to wins. Carmelo is a career loser who will always put up inflated stats. Fact.

Career loser who missed the playoffs once? Harden went from OKC and is now on a talented team in Houston, Harden wouldn't be able to do shit with the current Knicks

[ClutchOver9000]

ISH, where 15 year old nerds who have never set foot on a basketball court think they know more than a future HOFer who's coached at the highest levels in the NBA. :applause:

Harden is a better scorer, deal with it.

Avgs less ppg. Lower FG%. Despite shooting a shit ton more FTs. No midrange game AT ALL.

But better scorer.

:rolleyes:

I don't see an argument for Harden over Melo as a scorer. The guy has no midrange game for fvck's sake and his game is heavily dependent on FTs.

The last 4 games, Melo has come close to averaging Harden's career high.

Harden's a very good scorer but he's not better than Melo.

Karl can spout off his delusions as he likes, doesn't mean squat.

KD for example shoots a shit ton of FTs but unlike Harden, I believe KD can still have monster games without them. Why? Because he's deadly from every area of the floor.

Now if Karl said "better offensive player" then that certainly leans more towards Harden considering he is a better facilitator than Melo.

[YouGotServed]

Career loser who missed the playoffs once? Harden went from OKC and is now on a talented team in Houston, Harden wouldn't be able to do shit with the current Knicks

Cry more

Harden leading his team to a top 3 seed in the tough west. Melo can't even get his team to a 400 record in the east.

Harden is the better scorer and the better player. Fact.

[Black and White]

Cry more

Harden leading his team to a top 3 seed in the tough west. Melo can't even get his team to a 400 record in the east.

Harden is the better scorer and the better player. Fact.

Imagine what Melo would be doing with this Rockets team, Harden is playing great but lets not act like he is the sole reason they have the #3 seed, Melo is a superstar, Harden is a star

[Budadiiii]

ISH, where 15 year old nerds who have never set foot on a basketball court think they know more than a future HOFer who's coached at the highest levels in the NBA. :applause:

Harden is a better scorer, deal with it.
Can't help but sit back and laugh.

Just a well executed post.

[YouGotServed]

Imagine what Melo would be doing with this Rockets team, Harden is playing great but lets not act like he is the sole reason they have the #3 seed, Melo is a superstar, Harden is a star

I don't have to imagine anything. I stick to facts and facts say Harden puts up similar stats despite having other very good offensive players around him. Not to mention the Ws. The numbers are legit, not inflated one bit.

You have your opinions and I have my facts. Deal with it.

[Black and White]

I don't have to imagine anything. I stick to facts and facts say Harden puts up similar stats despite having other very good offensive players around him. Not to mention the Ws. The numbers are legit, not inflated one bit.

You have your opinions and I have my facts. Deal with it.

Stats suggest that Melo is better tho, so I dont see your point?

[MellowYellow]

I don't have to imagine anything. I stick to facts and facts say Harden puts up similar stats despite having other very good offensive players around him. Not to mention the Ws. The numbers are legit, not inflated one bit.

You have your opinions and I have my facts. Deal with it.

Your logic is flawed. Having a better team should do nothing but improve your stats because you have less defensive attention and more easy shots.

[YouGotServed]

Facts say Melo's stats don't translate to Ws while Harden's stats do.

Good job, good effort. Try again.

[Black and White]

Facts say Melo's stats don't translate to Ws while Harden's stats do.

Good job, good effort. Try again.

Harden supporting cast:

Dwight Howard
Chander Parsons
Jeremy Lin
Patrick Beverley


Melo:

JR Smith
Raymond Felton

[YouGotServed]

90% of teams wouldn't trade their starting PG for PatBev or Lin. Howard is according to you "the most overrated center in the NBA". Harden won 45 without him.

Solid job, solid effort. Try again.

[LeGOAT]

90% of teams wouldn't trade their starting PG for PatBev or Lin. Howard is according to you "the most overrated center in the NBA". Harden won 45 without him.

Solid job, solid effort. Try again.
wow! 45 wins! Melo could never do that!

[Black and White]

90% of teams wouldn't trade their starting PG for PatBev or Lin. Howard is according to you "the most overrated center in the NBA". Harden won 45 without him.

Solid job, solid effort. Try again.

I think the Knicks would trade Felton for Lin for sure,

Howard isn't the best C in the league but he is a top 3 centre who can grab 20/10 everynight, don't act like the team doesnt have an abundance of talent

[YouGotServed]

Knicks are like 12th in the East. To put Melo and Harden in the same sentence is an insult to Harden's game really. He's one of the most underrated players in the NBA.

[Black and White]

Knicks are like 12th in the East. To put Melo and Harden in the same sentence is an insult to Harden's game really. He's one of the most underrated players in the NBA.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You act like Harden is a better player than Melo, thats overrating dude

[YouGotServed]

Harden is a better player. This isn't even debatable.

[Black and White]

Harden is a better player. This isn't even debatable.

And thats when you lose credibility, Melo is a superstar, Harden is not on his level yet

[YouGotServed]

I don't take anything you say seriously. I don't listen to clowns.

12th in the East. "Superstar", doe.

[Budadiiii]

Knicks are like 12th in the East. To put Melo and Harden in the same sentence is an insult to Harden's game really. He's one of the most underrated players in the NBA.
Quality post.

Providing lulz.

[Black and White]

I don't take anything you say seriously. I don't listen to clowns.

12th in the East. "Superstar", doe.

So Kevin Love is nothing? Anthony Davis? DeMarcus Cousins? Remember, the point you use to argue is TEAM record, it doesn't say anything about individual play, I'm guessing Kobe wasn't a superstar when he had smush parker as a teammate right?

[YouGotServed]

Harden is better than all those players so I don't see your point.

Strike 1.

[Black and White]

Harden is better than all those players so I don't see your point.

Strike 1.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Harden is not better than Love or Melo. What case does he have over them aside from team record?

[Smook A.]

A rivalry has been formed. YGS vs. B&W

[Black and White]

A rivalry has been formed. YGS vs. B&W

Nah, he is a troll, he doesn't count, but as a real Rockets fan would you kindly clear this up?

[YouGotServed]

Posting rolling emoticons is a weak "argument". Elaborate on why/how Harden isn't a better player.

Strike 2.

[Budadiiii]

A rivalry has been formed. YGS vs. B&W
A bit of a mis-match.

YGS getting bodied.

[Smook A.]

Nah, he is a troll, he doesn't count, but as a real Rockets fan would you kindly clear this up?
Yup. I think Love and Melo are better than current Harden. Not a bad thing. Anything can change in future though. Harden is still a great player, YGS

[Bless Mathews]

I personally can't stand hardens game.

Puts his head down and tries to draw a foul. Flopping. Smh. Crap game.

Melo > harden.

Love > harden.

[Smook A.]

I personally can't stand hardens game.

Puts his head down and tries to draw a foul. Flopping. Smh. Crap game.

Melo > harden.

Love > harden.
Dude you act like Harden tries drawing a foul every play. Thats not it

[Black and White]

Yup. I think Love and Melo are better than current Harden. Not a bad thing. Anything can change in future though. Harden is still a great player, YGS

Thank you Smook, Harden is still young tho, so he has a long time to work on his game and get even better.

But right now, he isn't on Melo or Loves level, its rather unfortuate for the both of them that they are in those situations tho, I hope it works out for them.

[Bless Mathews]

Dude you act like Harden tries drawing a foul every play. Thats not it
Lololololol.

Ok. You're right. 4 out of 5 plays. My bad.

[YouGotServed]

Be original for once, your constant need for approval makes you come off like a beta phaggit. Stop seeking validation, that's a female trait.

[Black and White]

Be original for once, your constant need for approval makes you come off like a beta phaggit. Stop seeking validation, that's a female trait.

Nobody agrees with you, I would trust a real Rockets fans opinion like Smooks over a fraud like you.

[YouGotServed]

I trust George Karl doe. You mad?

[Black and White]

I trust George Karl doe. You mad?

A dude thats clearly butthurt over Melo leaving, someone who has never won anything in 30 years of coaching?

[YouGotServed]

No way to spin it. A future HOFer thinks Harden is a better offensive player than Marshmelo. I trust his word over yours, clown.

[Black and White]

No way to spin it. A future HOFer thinks Harden is a better offensive player than Marshmelo. I trust his word over yours, clown.

Make the arguement for Harden over Melo, not using team record.

[YouGotServed]

The consensus is that Harden is the better offensive player. Prove that he isn't. Go ahead.

[JohnFreeman]

Melo > Harden

Harden is good, but Melo is incredible.

[Black and White]

The consensus is that Harden is the better offensive player. Prove that he isn't. Go ahead.

Lol consensus = you, whereas everybody else says Melo > Harden, its on you to prove he is better.

[smoovegittar]

The consensus is the butthurts stick together. Harden :roll:

Maybe in 2 years...

[YouGotServed]

George Karl.

[Smook A.]

Lololololol.

Ok. You're right. 4 out of 5 plays. My bad.
Dumb asshole thinks he knows... how about you actually watch all the Rockets game from here on out. Count the # of time he flops Mr.Expert

Im a Rockets fan but im not a homer. I watch the games closely and what you just said is completely false. Don't say stuff you don't know for sure

[Black and White]

George Karl.

No argument??? Ok take the L and move on bro

[YouGotServed]

12th in the East, doe.

[Black and White]

12th in the East, doe.

I asked to to provide proof that Harden is better than Melo discounting team records, and you got back to using the team record argument :oldlol:

[YouGotServed]

George.

[Black and White]

George.

You have already lost, no need to look like a bitch now.

[YouGotServed]

Still no argument.

[Black and White]

Still no argument.

Yea, from you :oldlol:, you started an arguement where you lost at the start and you can't back out, just admit you stuffed up and said the wrong thing.

[VIntageNOvel]

holy shit, someone really think harden is better than melo? :roll:

replace harden with melo in 2012 final, and lebron would be the one who were crying

[YouGotServed]

Can't prove how Melo is better eh?

[Black and White]

Can't prove how Melo is better eh?

Actually since the consensus is that Melo is better its up to you to prove that Harden is better.

Start with PPG, does that help your argument? No

[YouGotServed]

It's a start, go on.

[Black and White]

It's a start, go on.

Its up to you to try prove your point dude, since everyone else knows Melo is better

[YouGotServed]

You were on the right track. Try again.

[Black and White]

You were on the right track. Try again.

You lost bro, defeated you again, nothing left here.

[YouGotServed]

Can I get that post in English?

[JohnFreeman]

Black and White wins again

[Black and White]

Black and White wins again

Dude makes it too easy, starts an arguement about Harden > Melo, instant loss, nothing he can do but troll and act like a bitch

[YouGotServed]

Karl.

[Black Mamba's B]

George Karl is a ****ing moron for a commentator. He comes across as exactly what ESPN wants. A LeBron dicksucker, holds basically all cliche viewpoints, just a bunch of stuff.
He's also the same guy who said Michael Redd was a better player than Kobe

[Smook A.]

He's also the same guy who said Michael Redd was a better player than Kobe
Haha really? He said that?? LoooL

[Black Mamba's B]

Haha really? He said that?? LoooL
Yea I think it was 06 or 07 on some espn show. Couldn't believe it

[JerryWest]

Black and white shook! Ygs da god! :bowdown:

[eliteballer]

By extension he's also saying Hardens a better scorer than LeBron, don't think anyone believes that.

[Dr Hawk]

As scorers, Harden is clearly below Durant and Lebron and comfortably below Melo.

[kurple]

A dude thats clearly butthurt over Melo leaving, someone who has never won anything in 30 years of coaching?
melo > harden

but karl never liked melo, and you gotta know something to get to coach in the nba for 30 years

i'm the biggest karl hater on the planet. but you're not completely right here