Kobe's 2008 Playoff Run is (almost) 1991-1993 Jordan like

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe through the 2008 Playoffs posted: 30/6/6 on 48% with good defense.

Kobe&Lakers lost the Finals in 6 to the Big 3 Celtics. Who legit had 3 contenders for FMVP.

1st Round: 4-0 vs Nuggets 34 ppg/ 5 reb/ 6 ast on 50%
2nd Round: 4-2 vs Jazz 33 ppg/ 7 reb/ 7 ast on 49%
WCF: 4-1 vs Spurs 29 ppg/ 6 reb/ 4 ast on 53%

Close to 30+ ppg % 50+% fg each series.

Finals 2-4 vs Celtics: 26 ppg on 40.5%.

Obviously the crap Series he had to have, that ultimately took the Run down.

Kobe through 3 Rounds: 32 ppg 6 reb 6 ast on 51% (!)

Kobe through 3 Rounds & First 3 Finals Games: (Excluding just the LAST 3 GAMES)

32 PPG / 6 REB / 6 AST on 50% FG.

THAT is 1991-1993 Jordan...

Jordan:
1991 - 31 PPG / 6 REB / 8 AST on 51%
1992- 35 PPG / 6 REB / 6 AST on 50%
1993- 35 PPG / 7 REB / 6 AST on 47.5%

2008 Kobe ALMOST clipped this.

Now here are Kobe's last 3 Games of the Finals:
17 Points on 6-19 32%, 25 Points on 8-21 38%, 22 Points on 7-22 32%.

Took it down from GODLY to "just" great Run.

Kobe 2009&2010 was far from that. 2009&2010 Kobe was more 1996-1998 Jordan.



I just needed to make this thread because I feel his 2008 Run is really overlooked, and in fact, the best of his career. (IMO)

What do you think was his greatest Run, and are you surprised at the Statistics excluding JUST his last 3 Games?

[LeBron 06]

2009 LeBron > 2008 Kobe

[ArbitraryWater]

2009 LeBron > 2008 Kobe

No shame though. 2009 is LeBron's GOAT Playoff Run. 2012 damn near close..

[SexSymbol]

2009 LeBron > 2008 Kobe
Not a chance.
Complete different stratosphere defensively.
Kobe was ten times the leader and head and shoulders above LeBron offensively.
Really, no comparison

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Here we go with the Kobe dickriders using hyperbole. Lebron's '09 run is most definitely comparable to Kobe's '08 and arguable even better.

[ArbitraryWater]

Not a chance.
Complete different stratosphere defensively.
Kobe was ten times the leader and head and shoulders above LeBron offensively.
Really, no comparison

Man y'all are something else.. :facepalm

I'm sitting here thinking if I should ask the others to appreciate Kobe's run, in stead of posting such comments... then you come in here and say

"Complete different stratosphere defensively.
Kobe was ten times the leader and head and shoulders above LeBron offensively.
Really, no comparison"

WAY worse of a comment. Couldn't BE anymore wrong... OF COURSE I now come off as "hating on Kobe", "trolling", etc. but this shit doesn't fly with me! You didn't do ANYTHING to back that up anyway.

You aren't a fan of Basketball, you're a stan, of Bean. Please GTFOH

LeBron 2009: 35 PPG / 9 REB / 7 AST on 51%... :rolleyes:

Finished SECOND in DPOY Voting. Played splendid Defense.

How exactly was Kobe in a different stratosphere defensively, or head and shoulders above LeBron OFFENSIVELY?

And you have the courage to tell Samurai that he knows nothing about Basketball... :wtf:

[SexSymbol]

Here we go with the Kobe dickriders using hyperbole. Lebron's '09 run is most definitely comparable to Kobe's '08 and arguable even better.
Such a great playoff run, that the only team they faced in the PO who had more than 50 wins destroyed the Cavs. And instead of trying to do everything by himself, he should've concentrated more on defense, because he did nothing there.
They went up against 39-43 Pistons, which would not make the PO in the West, basically trash team.
47-35 Hawks, the only respectable series win in PO.
And got destroyed by the Magic with LeBron putting up numbers, but dare I say empty numbers, because he was getting lit up by anybody. ****ing Pietrus was lighting him up...

[SexSymbol]

Man y'all are something else.. :facepalm

I'm sitting here thinking if I should ask the others to appreciate Kobe's run, in stead of posting such comments... then you come in here and say

"Complete different stratosphere defensively.
Kobe was ten times the leader and head and shoulders above LeBron offensively.
Really, no comparison"

WAY worse of a comment. Couldn't BE anymore wrong... OF COURSE I now come off as "hating on Kobe", "trolling", etc. but this shit doesn't fly with me! You didn't do ANYTHING to back that up anyway.

You aren't a fan of Basketball, you're a stan, of Bean. Please GTFOH

LeBron 2009: 35 PPG / 9 REB / 7 AST on 51%... :rolleyes:

Finished SECOND in DPOY Voting. Played splendid Defense.

How exactly was Kobe in a different stratosphere defensively, or head and shoulders above LeBron OFFENSIVELY?

And you have the courage to tell Samurai that he knows nothing about Basketball... :wtf:
Couldn't be more wrong, he was terrible defensively up until 11, after getting lit up by Rose in 10.
In his Cavs days all his all-defensive teams were a joke, like kobe's after 10'

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Such a great playoff run, that the only team they faced in the PO who had more than 50 wins destroyed the Cavs. And instead of trying to do everything by himself, he should've concentrated more on defense, because he did nothing there.
They went up against 39-43 Pistons, which would not make the PO in the West, basically trash team.
47-35 Hawks, the only respectable series win in PO.
And got destroyed by the Magic with LeBron putting up numbers, but dare I say empty numbers, because he was getting lit up by anybody. ****ing Pietrus was lighting him up...

If he doesn't put up big numbers, it's "he didn't do enough, he should've scored more".

Put up big numbers. "Empty stats".

It's why I don't like arguing with dickriders. Just a bunch of hyperbole to boost your favorite player.

When you say stuff life "Different stratosphere defensively" and "ten times the leader", and have nothing to back it up, you're a ****ing clown.

Let me try your arguments. Kobe's numbers were padded by weak defenses and got exposed in the Finals once he faced a real defense.

[ArbitraryWater]

Couldn't be more wrong, he was terrible defensively up until 11, after getting lit up by Rose in 10.
In his Cavs days all his all-defensive teams were a joke, like kobe's after 10'

Riiight. I'm not sure I don't have the statistics in front of me, but I read somewhere that WITHOUT LeBron on the Court the Cavaliers got worse by about 8-9 POINTS! .... (I think DMAVS got the stats for that)

Dominant Impact on that side of the floor, leading the Team to the 2nd best Defense Rating in the League.

[ArbitraryWater]

If he doesn't put up big numbers, it's "he didn't do enough, he should've scored more".

Put up big numbers. "Empty stats".

It's why I don't like arguing with dickriders. Just a bunch of hyperbole to boost your favorite player.

When you say stuff life "Different stratosphere defensively" and "ten times the leader", and have nothing to back it up, you're a ****ing clown.

Let me try your arguments. Kobe's numbers were padded by weak defenses and got exposed in the Finals once he faced a real defense.


This.
Puts up big numbers and they lose: empty, didnt play defense.
Doesnt put up big numbers: Should have done more. Shoot you passive fcuk.
Big Numbers in a Win: Stacked team.

[ImKobe]

Meh, Kobe made up for it in 09. 30 5 6 on 46/35/88, 32 ppg 5 rpg 7 apg in the Finals, first player to average those numbers since MJ in 1991.

[BoutPractice]

2009 is the better playoff run. His stats were almost identical, but he averaged 32, 5 and 7 in the Finals and won FMVP. If anything Kobe's 2009 season is the underrated one as it coincided with LeBron's equally impressive year, whereas he won the MVP in 2008 and "only" had to compete with a Chris Paul who lost in the second round and whose season will not be remembered as much with time.

[SexSymbol]

If he doesn't put up big numbers, it's "he didn't do enough, he should've scored more".

Put up big numbers. "Empty stats".

It's why I don't like arguing with dickriders. Just a bunch of hyperbole to boost your favorite player.

When you say stuff life "Different stratosphere defensively" and "ten times the leader", and have nothing to back it up, you're a ****ing clown.

Let me try your arguments. Kobe's numbers were padded by weak defenses and got exposed in the Finals once he faced a real defense.
He was a terrible leader, rapping to songs in clutch situations, dancing, clowning around. No legend took him seriously, that's why everybody was agreeing with Skip back then, especially after 11 finals pre - 12 finals.
Kobe could still shut anybody down back in 08, LeBron... well not really. He was a pretty good team defender because of Brown's systems, individually he was terrible, pathetic footwoork, slow reactions. He just played the passing lanes and gambled a lot on them, also made some chasedown blocks, and everybody was making fun of NBA for hyping him as a great defender because of that.

[ArbitraryWater]

2009 is the better playoff run. His stats were almost identical, but he averaged 32, 5 and 7 in the Finals and won FMVP. If anything Kobe's 2009 season is the underrated one as it coincided with LeBron's equally impressive year, whereas he won the MVP in 2008 and "only" had to compete with a Chris Paul who lost in the second round and whose season will not be remembered as much with time.

Basically identical except for a 2% drop in efficiency.

2008 Kobe converted 10.6 of 22 Shots. (5 3's)
2009 Kobe converted 10.5 of 23 Shots. (4.5 3's)

However
2008 Kobe=80.9% FT's (7.5 of 9.2)
2009 Kobe=88.3% FT's ( 7.6 of 8.6)

Pretty damn close. Put together they average the same amount of FG&FT Makes, but 2008 Kobe takes a FG less, 2009 Kobe takes 0.6 FT's less.

[imdaman99]

2008 big 3 Celtics were better than any team the 91-93 Bulls faced. They had no weaknesses.

[havoc33]

I put Kobe's 08-10 run as one of the best three year peaks ever (slightly past his athletic peak though). He's easily comparable with Magic's best three year peak for example. I'm not saying Jordan's level, but pretty damn impressive. Too bad he wasted those 05-07 years on shitty teams.

[red1]

08 is his best season. that wcf series was godly and in the finals he just lost to the better team. Pau got destroyed and they didnt have a starting quality small forward because of injury. I think they had radmanovic on pierce - no chance

[SilkkTheShocker]

08 is his best season. that wcf series was godly and in the finals he just lost to the better team. Pau got destroyed and they didnt have a starting quality small forward because of injury. I think they had radmanovic on pierce - no chance

They were still favored to win that series though. No excuse for that game 4 choke and getting blown out by 39 points in game 6. F.ucking pathetic.

[red1]

Sexsymbol why do you even post? Its obvious that you have ZERO clue what you are talking about

[red1]

They were still favored to win that series though. No excuse for that game 4 choke and getting blown out by 39 points in game 6. F.ucking pathetic.
I remember that series pretty well. Lakers didnt play to their potential but I wouldnt call that a choke, celtics were just better

[red1]

That game 4 comeback was awesome though. The only day of my life where I was a celtics fan

[BlackWhiteGreen]

2008 big 3 Celtics were better than any team the 91-93 Bulls faced. They had no weaknesses.

That's a bit over the top. An incredible team, sure, but Perkins was their starting centre (he honestly hasn't got any worse in OKC, he was always that bad) and 2nd year Rondo wasn't half the player he was even in 09.

A great team, and in the mix for the best team since 2000. But they certainly had weaknesses

[SilkkTheShocker]

2008 big 3 Celtics were better than any team the 91-93 Bulls faced. They had no weaknesses.

They struggled against athleticism. That is why Atlanta took them to 7 games. I will give those Celtics teams credit though. Aside from the Spurs of the past, those Celtics teams were the best when it came to taking advantages of mistakes. If the opposing team missed a rotation, turned it over, etc. You could bet Boston was going to score.

[SexSymbol]

Sexsymbol why do you even post? Its obvious that you have ZERO clue what you are talking about
Great insight, mate, why don't you just take a train to go **** yourself.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I remember that series pretty well. Lakers didnt play to their potential but I wouldnt call that a choke, celtics were just better

I think that game 4 gets swept under the rug more than it should. If LA wins, than it's a 2-2 series with game 5 in LA. It was a gigantic collapse.

[red1]

Great insight, mate, why don't you just take a train to go **** yourself.
You should start writing fiction novels. That way you can make shit up all day and the fact that you are out of touch with reality will not be a disadvantage

[ArbitraryWater]

Great insight, mate, why don't you just take a train to go **** yourself.

Nobody needs you here. If Mods get the Ban Hammer, i'd sure be happy if you were to be the first getting a good feel of it.

[tmacattack33]

Kobe through the 2008 Playoffs posted: 30/6/6 on 48% with good defense.

Kobe&Lakers lost the Finals in 6 to the Big 3 Celtics. Who legit had 3 contenders for FMVP.

1st Round: 4-0 vs Nuggets 34 ppg/ 5 reb/ 6 ast on 50%
2nd Round: 4-2 vs Jazz 33 ppg/ 7 reb/ 7 ast on 49%
WCF: 4-1 vs Spurs 29 ppg/ 6 reb/ 4 ast on 53%

Close to 30+ ppg % 50+% fg each series.

Finals 2-4 vs Celtics: 26 ppg on 40.5%.

Obviously the crap Series he had to have, that ultimately took the Run down.

Kobe through 3 Rounds: 32 ppg 6 reb 6 ast on 51% (!)

Kobe through 3 Rounds & First 3 Finals Games: (Excluding just the LAST 3 GAMES)

32 PPG / 6 REB / 6 AST on 50% FG.

THAT is 1991-1993 Jordan...

Jordan:
1991 - 31 PPG / 6 REB / 8 AST on 51%
1992- 35 PPG / 6 REB / 6 AST on 50%
1993- 35 PPG / 7 REB / 6 AST on 47.5%

2008 Kobe ALMOST clipped this.

Now here are Kobe's last 3 Games of the Finals:
17 Points on 6-19 32%, 25 Points on 8-21 38%, 22 Points on 7-22 32%.

Took it down from GODLY to "just" great Run.

Kobe 2009&2010 was far from that. 2009&2010 Kobe was more 1996-1998 Jordan.



I just needed to make this thread because I feel his 2008 Run is really overlooked, and in fact, the best of his career. (IMO)

What do you think was his greatest Run, and are you surprised at the Statistics excluding JUST his last 3 Games?

Shut the fukk up.

Why would we exclude the last 3 games?

They are more important that the other 15 games combined. If anything, we should count them twice.

:facepalm

[sportjames23]

2008 big 3 Celtics were better than any team the 91-93 Bulls faced. They had no weaknesses.


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Papaya Petee]

Meh, Kobe made up for it in 09. 30 5 6 on 46/35/88, 32 ppg 5 rpg 7 apg in the Finals, first player to average those numbers since MJ in 1991.

Wade averaged 34 ppg 8 rpg 4 apg in the Finals. So unless you're nitpicking one assist for more points and rebounds, then no, he wasn't the first since MJ.

[ArbitraryWater]

Shut the fukk up.

Why would we exclude the last 3 games?

They are more important that the other 15 games combined. If anything, we should count them twice.

:facepalm

That's why I said almost... you think i'm a Kobe stan? Should watch me post more, moron.

[DJ Leon Smith]

2008 big 3 Celtics were better than any team the 91-93 Bulls faced. They had no weaknesses.

Except for the fact that was the first season they were together, none of the players on that Celtics team had finished at least second in MVP voting (Magic = previous MVP, second in MVP voting in 1991, Drexler = 2nd in MVP voting, Barkley = MVP) and the Celtics won their final game by 39 POINTS.

Oh and Kobe allowed the Celtics to come back from a NBA record 24-point half-time deficit to win on the road.

Apart from that, Kobe > Jordan.

Can't wait to read your reply. You're an excellent poster.

[ImKobe]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Name me a better team from 91-93

91 Lakers? Worthy wasn't 100% and missed a game in the Finals. 92 Blazers? Yeah right. 93 Suns? arguable, but KG, Pierce & Allen > Barkley & Kevin Johnson

[imdaman99]

Except for the fact that was the first season they were together, none of the players on that Celtics team had finished at least second in MVP voting (Magic = previous MVP, second in MVP voting in 1991, Drexler = 2nd in MVP voting, Barkley = MVP) and the Celtics won their final game by 39 POINTS.

Oh and Kobe allowed the Celtics to come back from a NBA record 24-point half-time deficit to win on the road.

Apart from that, Kobe > Jordan.

Can't wait to read your reply. You're an excellent poster.
I never said Kobe was better than MJ, that ship sailed a few years ago. I'm just saying, those Celtics while they hadn't won before, came together beautifully in the first few years. Their first year, they had VERY GOOD role players as well, so many legit guys they could throw at Kobe. Pierce, Ray Allen, James Posey, Tony Allen. Those guys would have done really well against Drexler as well. KG on Barkley would have been great to watch as well.

As for "Kobe" allowing the Celtics back... I guess you can say that because he had a bad game and was trying to get himself into the game. It's not as if there weren't 4 other players on the court. I suppose Kobe should have been guarding Eddie House as well, who hit the shot to take the lead.

[ImKobe]

Except for the fact that was the first season they were together, none of the players on that Celtics team had finished at least second in MVP voting (Magic = previous MVP, second in MVP voting in 1991, Drexler = 2nd in MVP voting, Barkley = MVP) and the Celtics won their final game by 39 POINTS.

Oh and Kobe allowed the Celtics to come back from a NBA record 24-point half-time deficit to win on the road.

Apart from that, Kobe > Jordan.

Can't wait to read your reply. You're an excellent poster.

Celtics were a great team and had their best year despite it being their first. Everyone was healthy and played well. Best defense in the league, 66 wins, the defensive team of the decade arguably, maybe aside from maybe the 2004 Pistons. You had late prime KG & Pierce and an older but still a very good Ray Allen & you had a young Rondo & a 38 yr old Cassell playing well, plus a young Tony Allen. The team started off 8 - 0 and dominated the Lakers h2h in the regular season. Their opponents only scored 16 times over 100 points in 82 regular season games.

[ArbitraryWater]

Appreciate :applause:

[ImKobe]

Wade averaged 34 ppg 8 rpg 4 apg in the Finals. So unless you're nitpicking one assist for more points and rebounds, then no, he wasn't the first since MJ.

The first to average 32+ ppg 7+ apg

Like you said, Wade had 4 apg

[Fire Colangelo]

Couldn't be more wrong, he was terrible defensively up until 11, after getting lit up by Rose in 10.
In his Cavs days all his all-defensive teams were a joke, like kobe's after 03

fixed.