Franchises That Don't Care About Winning Titles

[SilkkTheShocker]

Nuggets - content with being first round playoff fodder
Bucks - although they are finally just all out tanking. Things may change
OKC - Cheap franchise that let Harden go for magic beans.
:coleman:

Anyone else?

[Dizzle-2k7]

mavs - dismantled potential dynasty after 1st ring

rockets - sign dhoward

knicks - they are the knicks

[sejoon101]

In on silk thread.

[SilkkTheShocker]

mavs - dismantled potential dynasty after 1st ring

rockets - sign dhoward

knicks - they are the knicks

Potential dynasty? No chance. Dirk had to play his ass off and the rest of the team had some old players. Cuban is a smart guy. He may not have gotten Dwight or D-Will, but he saw the writing on the wall even with his title team. They weren't built to last. Cuban had invested tons of money in those teams over the years.

As for the Knicks, they want titles. Problem is they have the worst management in the league.

[kaiteng]

:confusedshrug:

The answer is none. Plain and simple.

99% of pro sport franchises want to win championships since having titles and trophies on their shelves will only make them better financially in a long run.

There are not a lot of Donald Sterling out there.

[16X]

Raptors. Look at their draft history.

[kaiteng]

Raptors. Look at their draft history.
Past GMs were either dumb, short-sighted, or both (i.e. Rob Babcock). They did draft Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady and Chris Bosh though.

Their recent draftees (DeRozan, Davis, Valenciunas, Ross) are decent also.

[Demitri98]

Nuggets
Bucks
Raptors
Jazz seem like they give no shits.

[DukeDelonte13]

Nuggets - content with being first round playoff fodder
Bucks - although they are finally just all out tanking. Things may change
OKC - Cheap franchise that let Harden go for magic beans.
:coleman:

Anyone else?


OKC offered harden 55 million dollars.

I don't consider that cheap. Harden wanted to be his own guy and not play in the shadow of Durant and Westbrook. Didn't seem like so much of a money issue; to me I think it was more of a role issue.

[Trollsmasher]

OKC

They don't have time for this shit though since they have to solve more pressing matters like having a good potato season

[SexSymbol]

Knicks.

[Mass Debator]

Minny

[BoutPractice]

Even teams that have long epitomized mediocrity like the Bucks and Hawks have won titles in the past, and are actually in great position for the future, though obviously they might squander it.


The Bucks finally have a truly ambitious, long term strategy based on youth, length and potential. If Giannis pans out and they grab one of the prizes in the coming draft (the good thing for them is that there are potentially multiple prizes this year) they might even find themselves with a championship core for the first time, with a franchise changing superstar and Giannis as his Pippen.

The Hawks have an absurd amount of draft picks...

The Sixers, who've been somewhat mediocre since their 2001, look like they don't care but are actually a potential contender in disguise with all their high draft picks. Some years down the line they could end up with a formidable OKC style young big 3 with MCW at the point, a healthy Noel to do the dirty work, and one of Embiid/Wiggins/Parker/Exum to carry the load.

[Myth]

Nuggets - content with being first round playoff fodder


Is that why they fired their COTY in George Karl?

[Demitri98]

Is that why they fired their COTY in George Karl?
GOAT front office :applause: :bowdown:

[16X]

Past GMs were either dumb, short-sighted, or both (i.e. Rob Babcock). They did draft Vince Carter, Tracy McGrady and Chris Bosh though.

Their recent draftees (DeRozan, Davis, Valenciunas, Ross) are decent also.
True. Trading for Rudy Gay was a really odd move though.

If I was a Raptors fan I'd be happy to be where they're at right now. I'd be happy just to make it to the second round given how bad the team has been for so long, but when you're sticking with Derozan, Lowry, and Jonas in the future as your main guys, you are a team that has accepted you will win no championships because you know you are not winning with that. In other words, the Raptors are not trying to win a championship and they have no plans of attempting to put together a contending team anytime in the near future.

[Legends66NBA7]

Raptors. Look at their draft history.

Nah, that doesn't mean they weren't trying to win. They just suck at drafting around their star players. They also couldn't keep their star players (Vince and Bosh) and couldn't keep other budding stars around (Damon, Camby, McGrady).

However, their recent drafting like Kaiteng suggested, shows that they've improved dramatically in drafting from the past GM's, while getting key players from trade and free agency (the bench we have now; Kyle is our best overall player; Amir is the anchor of our defense and a capable scorer). The starting core is just about 24 years of age altogether, so I can see the future is bright.

I agree that ownership might not have the same interest in the management. Their goal is to make money first.

[kurple]

Nuggets - content with being first round playoff fodder
Bucks - although they are finally just all out tanking. Things may change
OKC - Cheap franchise that let Harden go for magic beans.
:coleman:

Anyone else?
i get why the nuggets could be mentioned in this thread. but they fired George Karl for the single reason to build a team more suited for the playoffs and get past the 1st round

[Legends66NBA7]

True. Trading for Rudy Gay was a really odd move though.

If I was a Raptors fan I'd be happy to be where they're at right now. I'd be happy just to make it to the second round given how bad the team has been for so long, but when you're sticking with Derozan, Lowry, and Jonas in the future as your main guys, you are a team that has accepted you will win no championships because you know you are not winning with that. In other words, the Raptors are not trying to win a championship and they have no plans of attempting to put together a contending team anytime in the near future.

Terrence Ross is also bright young player. 3 point specialist and very good on defense.

I would say they are a good low-post player away from seriously contending if they retain Lowry and keep adding to their bench.

[Milbuck]

:oldlol: OP is a ****ing moron. Tanking, and not being desirable a destination for free agents does not mean the franchise doesn't care about winning titles.

[SilkkTheShocker]

OKC

They don't have time for this shit though since they have to solve more pressing matters like having a good potato season


:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

:oldlol: OP is a ****ing moron. Tanking, and not being desirable a destination for free agents does not mean the franchise doesn't care about winning titles.

Bulls.hit. The Bucks have been content than any other franchise in recent memory for fighting for the 8th seed. This is the first time they are actually building the right way

[Milbuck]

Bulls.hit. The Bucks have been content than any other franchise in recent memory for fighting for the 8th seed. This is the first time they are actually building the right way
Confirmed moron. Not even gonna waste my time with you. :sleeping

[Legends66NBA7]

Oh, Raptors probably need a better coach too. I don't trust Casey and his adjustments. He's also putting players in positions to fail by drawing up predictable plays that certain players aren't good at.

Lionel Hollins and Stan Van Gundy are still available after the season, but I think Casey gets retained.

[imdaman99]

Knicks - Dolan only cares about fans in the seats. Unfortunately MSG is still a hip place to be, so you won't find too many empty seats even when they suck. I wish there were 10K empty seats there, hit this fcker where it hurts.

[kaiteng]

I agree that ownership might not have the same interest in the management. Their goal is to make money first.
But to make money better you have to win championships.

Let's look at Toronto Maple Leafs. They have won multiple championships in a distant past and now the Leafs have become the money tree that every games are sell-out no matter how expensive ticket prices are or how mediocre the team has been just because of the market they have been building since the championship years. The same thing can be applied to make other historical teams.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I don't know if the Raptors ownership cares about winning titles or not, but they have had some s.hitty coaches and general managers.

[16X]

Terrence Ross is also bright young player. 3 point specialist and very good on defense.

I would say they are a good low-post player away from seriously contending if they retain Lowry and keep adding to their bench.
I just don't see it. Even if they get another good low-post player, look at the competition you'd be up against. Multiple teams that have two players (or even three) better than the Raptors best player. The top two teams right now have three all stars each, and Indiana almost has three all stars too. That's just too much to overcome in a city no free agent wants to go to unless you get extremely lucky/ draft extremely well like OKC has.

[red1]

Raptors are on a good path right now

[Illuminati]

Basically all the bottom feeding teams in the past few years.

[kaiteng]

I don't know if the Raptors ownership cares about winning titles or not, but they have had some s.hitty coaches and general managers.
The one who had the control of MLSE, the identity known as Teachers' Pension Fund, only care about making money for a good reason. Now, the boss is a real human being, Tim Leiweke, taking care of the business and he has stated he wants to win and all three major teams (Leafs, Raptors, TFC) are in that direction.

[kaiteng]

Basically all the bottom feeding teams in the past few years.
They all want to win, but they are just terrible at winning and the only plan they have is tanking.

[SilkkTheShocker]

The one who had the control of MLSE, the identity known as Teachers' Pension Fund, only care about making money for a good reason. Now, the boss is a real human being, Tim Leiweke, taking care of the business and he has stated he wants to win and all three major teams (Leafs, Raptors, TFC) are in that direction.

Thanks for the info. I was always kind of confused about who actually ran the Raptors. They have never had problem spending money. Just a lot of it was invested in players that fizzled. And they had some bad luck with the Carter situation and trade. That really set them back.

[Legends66NBA7]

But to make money better you have to win championships.

Let's look at Toronto Maple Leafs. They have won multiple championships in a distant past and now the Leafs have become the money tree that every games are sell-out no matter how expensive ticket prices are or how mediocre the team has been just because of the market they have been building since the championship years. The same thing can be applied to make other historical teams.

I think it's because of the fan base more than anything that the Leafs have been one of the top teams in value. That has do with MLSE's marketing. Championships are great, but it's not the only way they've made money. To be honest, I think it's a joke that they charge that much.


I just don't see it. Even if they get another good low-post player, look at the competition you'd be up against. Multiple teams that have two players better than the Raptors best player. The top two teams right now have three all stars each, and Indiana almost has three all stars too. That's just too much to overcome in a city no free agent wants to go to unless you get extremely lucky/ draft extremely well like OKC has.

Technically, we have 2 all-stars ourselves in the starting back court. I would favour our front court against almost any NBA team. Right now, were the only Eastern Conference team to rank in the Top 10 in offense and defense. In terms of the free agency, that's still to be determined. I think in 2016, management will want to go after Kevin Durant.

I don't believe that nobody wants to come here, unless you start winning. I think it's more ignorance if anything. It's Canada, it's snows a lot, it's cold, nothing to do there... the usual. I can see if players don't want pay taxes to both Canada and the US, but I think it's because of the losing culture. This year and the next couple of years is a chance to change that. Winning a round or 2 this season would change a lot of notion for Toronto IMO.

[ZenMaster]

Clippers.