Kobe's all time ranking

[Ca$H]

Where would he rank if his career FG% was 50% instead of 45.4%?

Kobe is #4 all time in points, #1 overall total All NBA teams(15), #1 overall 1st team All NBA teams(11), #1 overall All NBA 1st team defensive (9), #2 overall total All NBA D(12). Kobe's cumulative accolades/longevity is undoubtedly top five. Only KAJ and MJ are clearly better. Russell is arguable but he doesn't have the cumulative stats. Imagine Karl Malone with five titles that is what Kobe basically is. If Karl had five titles he would also have a top five resume. Longevity is extremely important. The thing that is holding Kobe back is his peak play but the only real knock on his peak play is his FG%. These are Kobe's best three seasons: 35.4 5.3 4.5, 31.6 5.7 5.4, 30.0 6.9 5.9 not exactly a joke.


I have Kobe #3 all time with 50.0% FG.

[moe94]

LeBron stans broke you completely with FG%, huh?

[ImKobe]

Top 5 all-time, greatest Laker of all-time. 2nd greatest SG of all-time.

[Suguru101]

I have him at 10.

[T_L_P]

No idea where I'd rank him if his FG% were higher, but right now I have him ranked either 10th or 11th.

[LeGOAT]

Great player:applause: Definitely around top 25-30

[ImKobe]

No idea where I'd rank him if his FG% were higher, but right now I have him ranked either 10th or 11th.

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

tee, hee.

[SexSymbol]

6-8 if his FG is as it is now.
6-8 if his FG goes up to 50.
Seriously, if you take 20 shots, and make ten, thats 50 percent, if you make 9 it's 45.
Even at great volume, the difference is only one shot lol.

[dazzer87]

20

[ImKobe]

No idea where I'd rank him if his FG% were higher, but right now I have him ranked either 10th or 11th.

You had 5 in the trophy case last June and they made you take it out of the trophy case and give it back in 28 seconds.


tee, hee.

[AnaheimLakers24]

hes really good imo. one of the best ive seen.

[T_L_P]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

tee, hee.

Damn, that saltiness.

[ImKobe]

Damn, that saltiness.

The greatest PF of all-time couldn't even make a wide open layup when it mattered and he airballed the tip :facepalm.

[Shabba Ranks]

i rank him #1 most cockiest

[red1]

Right now he is 6 or 7. I dont rank wilt or russell doe

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe: 5

the tired old shit bag Duncan: 4

tee, hee.

I'm no Duncan fan but I have him above Kobe. If you go by titles, then Pippen must be ahead of Kobe. I doubt you'd agree that's the case.

[T_L_P]

The greatest PF of all-time couldn't even make a wide open layup when it mattered and he airballed the tip :facepalm.

Nobody even brought Duncan's name into this.

You're just mad that every response but yours has Kobe comfortably outside the top 5 :oldlol:

Either that or your pissed LeBron moved in-front of Kobe when he beat the Spurs last season :oldlol:

Oh, and Kobe's post-injury stats: 14 PPG, .425 FG%, 5.7 TOV.

I'd say he's the tired old shit bag.

[T_L_P]

I'm no Duncan fan but I have him above Kobe. If you go by titles, then Pippen must be ahead of Kobe. I doubt you'd agree that's the case.

His response:

"I'll take that. As long as he's ahead of Duncan."

What did Tim do, I'mKobe? **** your boyfriend? :oldlol:

[Ca$H]

Nobody is giving Kobe's rank with 50% FG.

[ImKobe]

Nobody even brought Duncan's name into this.

You're just mad that every response but yours has Kobe comfortably outside the top 5 :oldlol:

Either that or your pissed LeBron moved in-front of Kobe when he beat the Spurs last season :oldlol:

Oh, and Kobe's post-injury stats: 14 PPG, .425 FG%, 5.7 TOV.

I'd say he's the tired old shit bag.

I can't imagine going through what you did last summer. I mean, you had the 5th title wrapped up, Lebron was going to be labeled a choker again, Duncan was going to tie Kobe and leap him with 4 FMVPs.....




then.....




http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Ray-Allen-Hits-Three-to-Force-OT-Game-6-NBA-Finals.gif


followed by

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif



ending with

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1203775/thumbs/o-TIM-DUNCAN-SAD-facebook.jpg

[T_L_P]

I can't imagine going through what you did last summer. I mean, you had the 5th title wrapped up, Lebron was going to be labeled a choker again, Duncan was going to tie Kobe and leap him with 4 FMVPs.....




then.....




http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Ray-Allen-Hits-Three-to-Force-OT-Game-6-NBA-Finals.gif


followed by

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif



ending with

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1203775/thumbs/o-TIM-DUNCAN-SAD-facebook.jpg


Definitely a sad moment. I'm glad you understand my pain :cheers:

[ImKobe]

His response:

"I'll take that. As long as he's ahead of Duncan."

What did Tim do, I'mKobe? **** your boyfriend? :oldlol:

Man, I know you're still having a hard time coping with what happened last June. You don't even want to discuss it. You just ignore everything regarding the 2013 NBA Finals.

[truhooper]

8 or 9

[Ca$H]

I have Kobe #7 all time with 45.4% and #3 all time with 50.0%.

[Bob Dole]

6-8 if his FG is as it is now.
6-8 if his FG goes up to 50.
Seriously, if you take 20 shots, and make ten, thats 50 percent, if you make 9 it's 45.
Even at great volume, the difference is only one shot lol.

You my good friend are an idiot and need to go take a statistics course to understand why there is a significant difference between the two.

[Bob Dole]

And Kobe is somewhere in my top 20. Definitely not top 10 though.

[LeGOAT]

I can't imagine going through what you did last summer. I mean, you had the 5th title wrapped up, Lebron was going to be labeled a choker again, Duncan was going to tie Kobe and leap him with 4 FMVPs.....




then.....




http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Ray-Allen-Hits-Three-to-Force-OT-Game-6-NBA-Finals.gif


followed by

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif



ending with

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1203775/thumbs/o-TIM-DUNCAN-SAD-facebook.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VmN8Nua.jpg

[SexSymbol]

You my good friend are an idiot and need to go take a statistics course to understand why there is a significant difference between the two.
There is none, FG% as a stat holds some value if you look at a single game, and look shot by shot, how many attempts did he make in the last second of the shot clock. It's just a stupid thing to say 50 fG% makes a player infinitely better. It doesn't. It doesn't even affect anything

[outbreak]

why do people care about shit like this?

[SexSymbol]

why do people care about shit like this?
Because their favorite player being higher than the hated player will always satisfy you when you don't have anybody or anything besides your hand to do so.

[dr.hee]

Where do you rank him now and where would he rank if his career FG% was 50% instead of 45.4%?

Kobe is #4 all time in points, #1 overall total All NBA teams(15), #1 overall 1st team All NBA teams(11), #1 overall All NBA 1st team defensive (9), #2 overall total All NBA D(12). Kobe's cumulative accolades/longevity is undoubtedly top five. Only KAJ and MJ are clearly better. Russell is arguable but he doesn't have the cumulative stats. Imagine Karl Malone with five titles that is what Kobe basically is. If Karl had five titles he would also have a top five resume. Longevity is extremely important. The thing that is holding Kobe back is his peak play but the only real knock on his peak play is his FG%. These are Kobe's best three seasons: 35.4 5.3 4.5, 31.6 5.7 5.4, 30.0 6.9 5.9 not exactly a joke.


I have Kobe #7 all time with 45.4% and #3 all time with 50.0%.

:hammerhead:

[Bob Dole]

There is none, FG% as a stat holds some value if you look at a single game, and look shot by shot, how many attempts did he make in the last second of the shot clock. It's just a stupid thing to say 50 fG% makes a player infinitely better. It doesn't. It doesn't even affect anything

I said barely anything that you just replied with, You took my argument and added a bunch of crap, in an attempt to weaken it. That is a strawmen argument. Please Stop.

The difference between 45 and 50 doesn't make someone go from a bad to good player but it does matter alot. Over a season it is alot of wasted possessions and makes for a much less efficient offense when it is your #1 shot taker doing this. Compared to the other all time greats (top 10) hes just doesn't add up.

And that last second shotclock shots has been shown to be false. Kobe just takes stupid shots. He can't get the high percentage shots that MJ or Lebron can get and still keep his volume the same.

Again, Please go take a statistics course at your local community college so that you can understand this because right now you sound like an idiot.

[ArbitraryWater]

Top 15.

Can't be Top 10 though. Kobe vs Hakeem is close, but I'll go Hakeem.

[ArbitraryWater]

There is none, FG% as a stat holds some value if you look at a single game, and look shot by shot, how many attempts did he make in the last second of the shot clock. It's just a stupid thing to say 50 fG% makes a player infinitely better. It doesn't. It doesn't even affect anything

EFFICIENCY DOESNT MATTER!!! :roll:

Ban the Troll/Idiot

[longhornfan1234]

8th spot.

MJ
Wilt
Kareem
Magic
Russell
Bird
Shaq
Kobe

[RoundMoundOfReb]

11th

[K Xerxes]

He's in the 9-11 spot for me, along with LeBron (as of now) and Duncan. I think that is the most reasonable ranking for him.

[Suguru101]

http://i.imgur.com/VmN8Nua.jpg
:bowdown: :bowdown: :roll: :roll:

[Quickening]

6-8 if his FG is as it is now.
6-8 if his FG goes up to 50.
Seriously, if you take 20 shots, and make ten, thats 50 percent, if you make 9 it's 45.
Even at great volume, the difference is only one shot lol.
5 percent makes a big difference... Talking about winning or losing a game by 5 points. Talking about difference between an efficient player, and an average scorer. You won't see many games where a team shoots 5 percent more from the field and lose.

[JT123]

Nobody even brought Duncan's name into this.

You're just mad that every response but yours has Kobe comfortably outside the top 5 :oldlol:

Either that or your pissed LeBron moved in-front of Kobe when he beat the Spurs last season :oldlol:

Oh, and Kobe's post-injury stats: 14 PPG, .425 FG%, 5.7 TOV.

I'd say he's the tired old shit bag.
Damnnnnnnnn, that ether though. :lol

[Black and White]

7-8 for me.

[Ca$H]

This thread is useless since nobody is giving his rank with 50% FG. My only agenda is assessing how much people value FG%.

[dr.hee]

This thread is useless since nobody is giving his rank with 50% FG. My only agenda is assessing how much people value FG%.

Then what? Generalizing the statement of the few guys in this thread to be representative for the "people", or maybe a specific fanbase you wanna attack later? You're way too simple, dude. Try harder.

[K Xerxes]

This thread is useless since nobody is giving his rank with 50% FG. My only agenda is assessing how much people value FG%.

There are too many hypotheticals with just bumping up his FG to 50%. What would his mindset be? Shoot more? Wouldn't his PPG go up then? Or is his shot selection just better?

He'd actually be a completely different player. So, you're right, this thread is useless. As is your posting career here.

[MrC1991]

I have him at 9 in front of Hakeem, but behind Duncan and Shaq.

[Ca$H]

Then what? Generalizing the statement of the few guys in this thread to be representative for the "people", or maybe a specific fanbase you wanna attack later? You're way too simple, dude. Try harder.

No I am honestly curious how drastically Kobe's FG% is holding him back. His resume/career accolades is top five. His peak ppg/reb/ast is definitely top 7 when you take into account he is a SG. His efficiency is his main problem so I want to know to what extent does it lower fans opinion of him.

[Ca$H]

There are too many hypotheticals with just bumping up his FG to 50%. What would his mindset be? Shoot more? Wouldn't his PPG go up then? Or is his shot selection just better?

He'd actually be a completely different player. So, you're right, this thread is useless. As is your posting career here.

reported.

[Black and White]

reported.

Reported to abuse

[K Xerxes]

No I am honestly curious how drastically Kobe's FG% is holding him back. His resume/career accolades is top five. His peak ppg/reb/ast is definitely top 7 when you take into account he is a SG. His efficiency is his main problem so I want to know to what extent does it lower fans opinion of him.

No, my man, you don't get bonus points for being smaller.

Jordan, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem, LeBron, Magic, Bird and Duncan all have a higher peak, and it's not really debatable.


reported.

I didn't know applying some simple logic was rule-breaking. I'll be damned.

[MMM]

One of the best I've seen but I can't put him above the top 6.

Other than that I think he's between 7-12 along with Shaq, Duncan, Hakeem, and LeBron. Sometimes I feel guys like West, Big O, Dr J could be mentioned among those players.

[Ca$H]

No, my man, you don't get bonus points for being smaller.

Jordan, Kareem, Shaq, Wilt, Hakeem, LeBron, Magic, Bird and Duncan all have a higher peak, and it's not really debatable.



I didn't know applying some simple logic was rule-breaking. I'll be damned.

Bird: 29.9 9.3 6.1, 28.1 9.2 6.6, 28.7 10.5 6.6
Magic: 23.9 6.3 12.2, 22.5 7.5 12.8, 22.3 6.6 11.5
Kobe: 35.4 5.3 4.5, 31.6 5.7 5.4, 30.0 6.9 5.9
Hakeem: 26.1 13.0 3.5, 27.3 11.9 3.6, 27.8 10.8 3.5


I'll take Kobe just based on those three stats. It is his FG% that makes Bird, Magic, and Hakeem's peak better.