The Knicks are seriously the worst franchise ever.

[Connor B]

Given how big the market is, how huge and loyal the fans seem to be, how iconic their arena is, how much history their supposedly is, and how many greats have come through...

They still haven't won since 1973.

Yeah the Bucks might technically suck more, or the Bobcats, take your pick, but those are small markets that we shouldn't expect to be great. the Knicks though? You would think NY would be like L.A. where you can never rule them out because the popularity and money is there. I can't possibly believe James Dolan is that bad of an owner or their GMs have been that poor. I know Isiah was shit and I know they've had some other bad people but at the end of the day how is it possible for a team to be so disappointing?

The Knicks are like a fat guy who goes to a super nice gym with state of the art equipment and after 40 years at the gym he is still fat. Its just proposterous. Yeah he may have had a few bad trainers and the owner might be crazy, but at the end of the day the gym is still way too nice for anyone to suck.

[Smook A.]

They'd be better if they had a smarter owner. He hires a bunch of retards

[Trentknicks]

The fans make the franchise, nothing else.

[Trentknicks]

Given how big the market is, how huge and loyal the fans seem to be, how iconic their arena is, how much history their supposedly is, and how many greats have come through...

They still haven't won since 1973.

Yeah the Bucks might technically suck more, or the Bobcats, take your pick, but those are small markets that we shouldn't expect to be great. the Knicks though? You would think NY would be like L.A. where you can never rule them out because the popularity and money is there. I can't possibly believe James Dolan is that bad of an owner or their GMs have been that poor. I know Isiah was shit and I know they've had some other bad people but at the end of the day how is it possible for a team to be so disappointing?

The Knicks are like a fat guy who goes to a super nice gym with state of the art equipment and after 40 years at the gym he is still fat. Its just proposterous. Yeah he may have had a few bad trainers and the owner might be crazy, but at the end of the day the gym is still way too nice for anyone to suck.
Then your just an idiot. They were an elite franchise in the 90s and had some brilliant Bernard King led teams in the mid 80's. It's all gone downhill since 2002, and whose the owner since then?

[Yankstar]

Then your just an idiot. They were an elite franchise in the 90s and had some brilliant Bernard King led teams in the mid 80's. It's all gone downhill since 2002, and whose the owner since then?

lol wrong time to be elite. MJ shat on the knicks :rockon:

[no pun intended]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg

never. gets. old.

[Smook A.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg

never. gets. old.
Greatest promo ever

[T-Time3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg

never. gets. old.

THEY SCARED NOW













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[smoovegittar]

just another hater. No relevance whatsoever. :rolleyes:

[aj1987]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg

never. gets. old.
"Now we got a beast to throw the ball down low."

:roll: :roll:

"Curry, David Lee, Zach Randolph. That is a formidable front line. Did you hear that, Boston? Formidable!"

:roll: :roll:

"Dey scared now!"

:roll: :roll:

[R.I.P.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg

never. gets. old.

That

[raprap]

I kinda blame it to there fans. They are very impatient thus the knicks management try to fix there team by signing players to large contracts. I long for the day that they clean their roster up and try rebuild through the draft and smart signings. Carmelo leaving I think would start it.

[JohnFreeman]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xgrCG7oEkYE/UwGOVsKMl1I/AAAAAAAACuU/-K4fCSJeGZY/s1600/1.gif

[chocolatethunder]

They'd be better if they had a smarter owner. He hires a bunch of retards
This is it right here. Dude has no problem spending money but does it in all the wrong ways. He's also impatient and shirt sighted. Instead of waiting to get Melo in the off season, he forced a trade during the season and mortgaged their future. Not smart.

[JohnFreeman]

NBA should be able to amnesty an owner :lol

[R.I.P.]

This is it right here. Dude has no problem spending money but does it in all the wrong ways. He's also impatient and shirt sighted. Instead of waiting to get Melo in the off season, he forced a trade during the season and mortgaged their future. Not smart.

Did they have the capspace to sign Melo outright? I can

[christian1923]

It's scary now. Atleast back then they fed us a dream of 2010 and what their goals were. No there is no direction I have no idea where this team is going and nobody in management is saying anything. Should true to get some pieces and picks for melo. Then coulda traded chandler for some pieces next year. But now when melo leaves we're gonna have a core of Tim hardaway, bargnani, and Tyson chandler lol time to buy a lebron jersey....

[D-FENS]

Given how big the market is, how huge and loyal the fans seem to be, how iconic their arena is, how much history their supposedly is, and how many greats have come through...

They still haven't won since 1973.

Yeah the Bucks might technically suck more, or the Bobcats, take your pick, but those are small markets that we shouldn't expect to be great. the Knicks though? You would think NY would be like L.A. where you can never rule them out because the popularity and money is there. I can't possibly believe James Dolan is that bad of an owner or their GMs have been that poor. I know Isiah was shit and I know they've had some other bad people but at the end of the day how is it possible for a team to be so disappointing?

The Knicks are like a fat guy who goes to a super nice gym with state of the art equipment and after 40 years at the gym he is still fat. Its just proposterous. Yeah he may have had a few bad trainers and the owner might be crazy, but at the end of the day the gym is still way too nice for anyone to suck.

You're not being fair to the team. They haven't been good since Riley and Van Gundy left other than a slight resurgence under Donnie Walsh.

I do not think it's fair to discredit the whole history of the franchise simply because of the level of mismanagement we're seeing now.

Whenever there has been a great basketball mind at the helm (and someone that can install discipline) the Knicks have been a very good team and great to watch for basketball purists. I loved those 90's Knicks teams. The problem is personnel, and the idea that success should be achieved right away. Dolan is too concerned with hot names, and competing with the Nets.

Option 1:
They need to rebuild, and to start now. There are lottery teams that want to compete that would take Melo - but he won't go there. I think the real idea is to trade him to Houston. Next year Lin and Asik have massive expiring deals. I would send Chandler and Anthony for Asik and Lin. I would also want a first round pick and Donitas Motiejunas.

Why so little coming back? The Knicks need to be bad. I don't even know what picks they still own though, so this may be a bad idea.

Option 2:
The other idea is to try again next year. How? Stoudemire, Anthony, Bargnani and Chandler will all be HUGE expiring deals. They could take Sanders and Mayo off the Bucks hands for Stoudemire, and look to grab Josh Smith for Bargnani or Chandler's expiring deal. Or look to get a guy like McGee and Lawson for expirings and picks. They need to trade any assets like Hardaway Jr. for defenders. Melo should have a team built around him like Iverson did in Philly. The Knicks need to do EVERYTHING they can to draft players like Patric Young and Aaron Craft. Guys that play hard nosed Knicks style D that will know their roles right away. They need to go after Jimmer as well. It helps to have a player on your team that people like. Maybe trade JR Smith for Biyombo as a project. Fire Woodsen. Offer JVG an offer he can't refuse (hire him as GM as well). Bring back Patrick Ewing as an assistant coach. Hire Shaka Smart as an assistant on a huge salary. Fire the GM, fire Allan Houston as well. Offer Kyle Lowry a salary starting at $10 million a year and work out a sign and trade with the Raptors. Sign Dimitris Diamantidis to the MLE

Ideally, the Knicks could magnum rolle out a whole new team:
CT: Sanders/ Biyombo/ Young
PF: Smith/ Ilyasova
SF: Anthony/ Shumpert
SG: Diamantidis/ Mayo
PG: Lowry/ Craft/ Fredette

Defense, athleticism, shooting. That's a team that can cause match-up problems all over the floor

[SilkkTheShocker]

If you criticize the Knicks, the first thing they do is call you a hater. Is that a NYC thing?

[CelticBaller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg

never. gets. old.
Trying to threaten us :oldlol:

[Dagouch]

If you criticize the Knicks, the first thing they do is call you a hater. Is that a NYC thing?

It Depends on how you word it. Most of the time I don't really care what people say good or bad.

They are not the worst Franchise Ever but Since Van Gundy left it's been on a down hill slope.

Like the other poster said before either blow it up or try again in 2015. Dolan needs to sell this team ASAP or get someone that can run it that has league wide respect. Dolan needs not to be involved at all.

[Anfernee]

They really should have given Riley the power he wanted and not let him leave. Imagine if Riley had the power in NY that he has had in Miami all this time. The Knicks would probably have won 6 or 7 more titles by now.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Agreed.

[Rose'sACL]

They really should have given Riley the power he wanted and not let him leave. Imagine if Riley had the power in NY that he has had in Miami all this time. The Knicks would probably have won 6 or 7 more titles by now.
most probably 4-5 rings by now. i really want knicks to start doing better because most of my friends are knicks fans plus the fact that i want to see some epic ECF and finals in MSG again.

[FireDavidKahn]

Knicks are sort of like the Clippers only they are the only team in town.

[Nick Young]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVa6NHwUUg

never. gets. old.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Marchesk]

Then your just an idiot. They were an elite franchise in the 90s and had some brilliant Bernard King led teams in the mid 80's. It's all gone downhill since 2002, and whose the owner since then?

Elite like the Jazz or Sonics were in the 90s. Brilliant like the Hawks in the 80s.

[Legends66NBA7]

The Hawks and Bucks are much worse if we consider title droughts.

Clippers if were considering teams that didn't win a title and having horrible playoff records, despite how long they have been in the league.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

The Hawks and Bucks are much worse if we consider title droughts.

Clippers if were considering teams that didn't win a title and having horrible playoff records, despite how long they have been in the league.
Atlanta and Milwaukee aren't places that superstars want to play. and the clippers are still relatively new (to LA) and have to go up against the Lakers.

[Legends66NBA7]

Atlanta and Milwaukee aren't places that superstars want to play.

There's nothing to prove superstars want to go to New York either, outside of Amare who had 1 good season and then his knees gave out.


and the clippers are still relatively new (to LA) and have to go up against the Lakers.

They've been in LA since the 84-85 season. 29 seasons is "relatively new" ? The fans of LA can switch or be a fan of both teams. I've seen clips of this. The Lakers weren't dominating the 90's when Magic and Worthy were gone and the Clippers didn't "take over".

[senelcoolidge]

Can they move the Knicks to New Jersey...Seattle?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

There's nothing to prove superstars want to go to New York either, outside of Amare who had 1 good season and then his knees gave out.


Yes there is. There is a massive financial incentive. Players want to play in NY in every sport. Just recently, Melo forced his way there. LeBron almost signed there but didn't because he realized how much of a joke the organization is.


They've been in LA since the 84-85 season. 29 seasons is "relatively new" ? The fans of LA can switch or be a fan of both teams. I've seen clips of this. The Lakers weren't dominating the 90's when Magic and Worthy were gone and the Clippers didn't "take over".
Okay so maybe they aren't that new but they have to compete with the Lakers who have built up a massive following. Besides, the Clippers are at least in good shape NOW.

[imdaman99]

Not the worst, but it is badly run. The fans are starving for any kind of success, we go nuts if they are supposed to be contenders in the playoffs. True Knicks fans won't jump on the stupid Nets bandwagon.

[Anfernee]

Not the worst, but it is badly run. The fans are starving for any kind of success, we go nuts if they are supposed to be contenders in the playoffs. True Knicks fans won't jump on the stupid Nets bandwagon.

This is true. First superstar that delivers a title to New York gets a statue at MSG. They would only have to win once for that treatment.

[aboss4real24]

Seattle and Cleveland sports

like 1 o r 2 titles in there history and been around 70 years

[DaSeba5]

Nah... there are far worse franchises in sports, and even in the NBA. They are awful though. At least NYers have the Yankees and Giants.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Seattle amd Cleveland sports

like 1 o r 2 titles in there history and been around 70 years
Nobody wants to play in Seattle or Cleveland. They're a victim of circumstance not because their organizations are utter crap.

[aboss4real24]

Nobody wants to play in Seattle or Cleveland. They're a victim of circumstance not because their organizations are utter crap.

no1 wants to play in okc but there a great team and will be 4 awhile

jus like how no1 wanted to play in utah but were a great tm 4 15+ years


If ur not a attractive city or market u have to build thru draft and hire a great staff

browns raiders bills all teams who r utter crap because they r terrible drafters and terrible at evaluating personnel

[Fire Colangelo]

There's nothing to prove superstars want to go to New York either, outside of Amare who had 1 good season and then his knees gave out.



They've been in LA since the 84-85 season. 29 seasons is "relatively new" ? The fans of LA can switch or be a fan of both teams. I've seen clips of this. The Lakers weren't dominating the 90's when Magic and Worthy were gone and the Clippers didn't "take over".

Superstars definitely prefer playing in New York to Toronto though :(

Maybe Wiggins will sign with Toronto during his FA.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

no1 wants to play in okc but there a great team and will be 4 awhile

jus like how no1 wanted to play in utah but were a great tm 4 15+ years


If ur not a attractive city or market u have to build thru draft and hire a great staff

browns raiders bills all teams who r utter crap because they r terrible drafters and terrible at evaluating personnel

No doubt the browns/raiders/bills are mismanaged but it's not as bad as the Knicks because it's more difficult to run those organiztions (i.e attract big names) than it is for the Knicks.

[imdaman99]

This is true. First superstar that delivers a title to New York gets a statue at MSG. They would only have to win once for that treatment.
Anyone who helps deliver a championship to a starving franchise in NY (Knicks, Jets, Mets, Rangers) will never have to pay for their own drink in this town. I'm sure it's that way for Mark Messier. Whoever that guy is, I will personally pay for and do his laundry for a year. Make it happen :rockon:

[aboss4real24]

Anyone who helps deliver a championship to a starving franchise in NY (Knicks, Jets, Mets, Rangers) will never have to pay for their own drink in this town. I'm sure it's that way for Mark Messier. Whoever that guy is, I will personally pay for and do his laundry for a year. Make it happen :rockon:

Rangers n mets arent really starving like Jets and nyk

[Legends66NBA7]

Yes there is. There is a massive financial incentive. Players want to play in NY in every sport. Just recently, Melo forced his way there. LeBron almost signed there but didn't because he realized how much of a joke the organization is.

This isn't about other sports. It's about the Knicks basketball team. Melo forcing his way there probably played large part in due to his wife wanting to be there. If James realized the franchise is a joke, then that just proves that market size and financial incentive doesn't matter, especially not to somebody like James.



Okay so maybe they aren't that new but they have to compete with the Lakers who have built up a massive following. Besides, the Clippers are at least in good shape NOW.

On that note, Clippers should be in the mindset to challenge for titles every year now. They've been in the cellar for so long, it's time to take that huge step.

[smoovegittar]

They really should have given Riley the power he wanted and not let him leave. Imagine if Riley had the power in NY that he has had in Miami all this time. The Knicks would probably have won 6 or 7 more titles by now.
I don't know about all those rings - but they certainly would have been much better. I must say tho - Starks and Mason were Riley's boys, so Mr. Armani has come a long way too.

[smoovegittar]

Not the worst, but it is badly run. The fans are starving for any kind of success, we go nuts if they are supposed to be contenders in the playoffs. True Knicks fans won't jump on the stupid Nets bandwagon.

Nyetskis?? Hell no, son! :no:

[Legends66NBA7]

Superstars definitely prefer playing in New York to Toronto though :(

Maybe Wiggins will sign with Toronto during his FA.

Well, probably. But then again, I think most star players are aware of their situation. The Big 3 were going to form on which ever team. I think they would prefer a nice destination to live and be during the summer time. Toronto fits this, but not the winning history.

I wouldn't just hold out on Wiggins. I think DeMar said it best here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Te_Y813vgU

^I actually like some of our players being real on any situation regarding basketball. DeMar is one guy who seems to be coming out of his shell and expressing himself when called upon.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Too much stuff to do in NY when your middle class. Now imagine you were making millions a year.... I doubt anyone on the Knicks gave a shit about basketball during the summer

[Marcus Thornton]

Things just don't work out for the Knicks. They do make questionable moves like the Bargnani trade.

[Kiddlovesnets]

I wont say they are the worst franchise, the likes of Clippers and Timberwolves will say hi. They are, however, by far the most underachieving franchise, considering the hypes and geographical/financial advantages.

[Rameek]

Simply put the Knicks are the worse BIG MARKET franchise in sports.

Starts and ends with Dolan.

NY isnt the destination of Superstars. If that was the case then why does every NY team have to OVERPAY for them. If this was the place to be or the place to play then they would take fair market or just below.

The pressures of any headline gathering player coming to NY is tremendous.

Specifically the Knicks are a failure because Dolan is a failure when it comes to the hardwood activities.