2010-2014 wade vs 2010-2014 kobe

[mehyaM24]

who's been the better player THIS decade :confusedshrug:

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron

[Mass Debator]

From the other thread: It's safe to say that Wade was the best shooting guard from 10-14 so far. It could be different in year 2017 if Harden dramatically improves but I don't see it.

35.2 MPG
23.4 PPG
5.3 RPG
5.2 APG
1.7 SPG
1.0 BPG

50% FG
30% 3PT
76% FT

26 PER
57 TS%

311 games played (Kobe has played 297)
367 total games

Played 85% of total games so far (not counting playoffs where he played almost every game)

In 37.2 mpg Kobe average 26.5/5.3/5.1 on 45/32/83 with 1.3 steals and 0.3 blocks. 22.5 PER and almost 55% TS. So in 2 more minutes and taking 3.6 more shots per game, Kobe averages 3.1 more points per game with less steals and blocks than Wade.

[red1]

you need to stop making threads

[mehyaM24]

great post debator. i dont agree with everything but you raise valid points.


you need to stop making threads

what's wrong with this thread?

[aboss4real24]

you need to stop making threads

this is because of my all decade team thread , started a debate about KB VS WADE predictable

[Jlamb47]

Kobe had to do more during those years. Wade has Lebron. Kobe gets doubled and is 1st option. Wade better on the defensive end but Kobe by miles on offense. I consider Kobe more impactful

[aboss4real24]

TBH Wade was never better then Kobe

PPL Say 06 but ppl 4get thats the year that kobe avgd 35 fkn points

highest avg since MJ ,

also avgd 2 stls . n 5 rebs and 4 assist

[Papaya Petee]

Wade has averaged 24\5\5\2\1 on 50% from the field 35 MPG (311 GP)
Kobe has averaged 27\5\5\1\0 on 46% from the field 37 MPG (297 GP)

Wade has been to 3 straight NBA Finals, 2 titles and should of been a FMVP one of those times.
Kobe hasn't been past the 2nd round of playoffs.

Easy picking here.

[Mass Debator]

Kobe had to do more during those years. Wade has Lebron. Kobe gets doubled and is 1st option. Wade better on the defensive end but Kobe by miles on offense. I consider Kobe more impactful
When Wade was #1 option, he still put up slightly better numbers. :confusedshrug:

Look at KD and Westbrook. Westbrook is supposed to take the load off KD, but him coming back only made KD a lesser player losing 3 straight. If Kobe had Bron and Bosh, I'm not sure if he'd still put up almost 27 points...Wade put up almost 26 with them 2 their first year together.

[aboss4real24]

Wade has averaged 24\5\5\2\1 on 50% from the field 35 MPG (311 GP)
Kobe has averaged 27\5\5\1\0 on 46% from the field 37 MPG (297 GP)

Wade has been carried to 3 straight NBA Finals, 2 titles and should of been a FMVP one of those times.
Kobe hasn't been past the 2nd round of playoffs.

Easy picking here.

Fixed 4 ya

[Mass Debator]

TBH Wade was never better then Kobe

PPL Say 06 but ppl 4get thats the year that kobe avgd 35 fkn points

highest avg since MJ ,

also avgd 2 stls . n 5 rebs and 4 assist
He had the greenest light ever with the highest usage rate in the league. 56% true shooting percentage while Wade AVERAGES 57% his entire career which is impressive since he's only an okay free throw shooter.

Not trying to take anything away from Kobe as he's my second favorite player ever, but let's put it into context. Early exit in the playoffs isn't really nice. Kobe was just more popular than Wade and that is why Wade became underrated. You say Wade was never better, but I remember following the 2006 playoffs, people were labeling the best in the game and Jordanesque. In 2009, he put up one of the best all around stats ever. And in 2011, he was definitely better than Kobe and was consider a top 3 player that year with Bron and Dwight.

[derb2k2]

Wade is more impactful than Kobe in the last few years, whereas Kobe chucks away.

Wade = offense + defense + teamplayer
Kobe = offense

[Papaya Petee]

Fixed 4 ya

2010-2011 Averaged 25\7\4 in the playoffs including 27\7\5 against the Mavericks and 30\8\5 vs the Celtics

2011-2012 Averaged 23\5\4 in the playoffs including 26\6\3 vs the Pacers while included a 30\9\6 must win game 4 and a 41\10\3 clinching game 6.
Averaged 23\6\5 in the NBA Finals.

2012-2013 After a great regular season he went down with bad knee injuries, which I will admit he was awful until the NBA Finals. Still had 21\9 in the clinching game 7 vs Indiana. Averaged 20\5\5 in the NBA Finals including 32\6\4 in a must win game 4 and 23\10 in game 7.

I'm sorry but aside from the first 3 series last season you have NO argument for saying he was carried. He was playing on no knees last year in the playoffs neither.

[tpols]

Wade has averaged 24\5\5\2\1 on 50% from the field 35 MPG (311 GP)
Kobe has averaged 27\5\5\1\0 on 46% from the field 37 MPG (297 GP)

Wade has been to 3 straight NBA Finals, 2 titles and should of been a FMVP one of those times.
Kobe hasn't been past the 2nd round of playoffs.

Easy picking here.

Wade's averaged 19/5/5 on 51TS for their two rings.. worse than 2000 Kobe.

Hes been able to pick and choose when he has to play hard for 3 years now.. he straight takes off series in the playoffs. Kobe's was rode into the ground and has always been the focal point of the oppositions defense and cornerstone of LA's offense where as Wade has not.. Bron has.

Its apples and oranges in terms of situations

[DMAVS41]

Wade's averaged 19/5/5 on 51TS for their two rings.. worse than 2000 Kobe.

Hes been able to pick and choose when he has to play hard for 3 years now.. he straight takes off series in the playoffs. Kobe's was rode into the ground and has always been the focal point of the oppositions defense and cornerstone of LA's offense where as Wade has not.. Bron has.

Its apples and oranges in terms of situations

Funny how Kobe fans never bring that up when comparing Wade in 07 and 08 to Kobe...LOL

It's clearly Wade...made even more evident by Kobe not playing in the playoffs last year and basically missing all this year.

[mehyaM24]

Wade's averaged 19/5/5 on 51TS for their two rings.. worse than 2000 Kobe.

im saying man :applause:

[tpols]

Funny how Kobe fans never bring that up when comparing Wade in 07 and 08 to Kobe...LOL

It's clearly Wade...made even more evident by Kobe not playing in the playoffs last year and basically missing all this year.

Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in 2008 playoffs and won the MVP..:oldlol:

Compared to 19/5/5 ???


Wade's team got swept by a Ben Gordon led bulls team in 2007.. Kobe faced a prime Suns team. Kobe also finished 3rd in MVP voting in 2007.. Wade finished 12th....

[Milbuck]

Kobe.

[Mass Debator]

Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in 2008 playoffs and won the MVP..:oldlol:

Compared to 19/5/5 ???


Wade's team got swept by a Ben Gordon led bulls team in 2007.. Kobe faced a prime Suns team. Kobe also finished 3rd in MVP voting in 2007.. Wade finished 12th....
Kobe didn't win a ring in 08. You're talking about 09?
He averaged 30.2/5.5/5.3 in that playoff year.

In the finals, he shot an average 11.6/27. That's almost 16 missed shots per game...

[tpols]

Kobe didn't win a ring in 08. You're talking about 09?
He averaged 30.2/5.5/5.3 in that playoff year.

In the finals, he shot an average 11.6/27. That's almost 16 missed shots per game...

idk what DMAVs really meant by his statement.. like I said Kobe was first option and always had to go 100% the past few years where as Wade has been able to rest and pick and choose where he gives max effort.

Then he brings up 07, 08.. where Kobe was still recieving the majority of the focus of defenses and was still a first option.. Wade back then was too

But the comparison doesnt work because they were both first options back then, and the past few years Kobe's been clear cut best player on his team and Wade has not.



Heat also won 15 games in 08 and Wade missed half the season.. so his statement is really, really bizzare.

[Papaya Petee]

Wade's averaged 19/5/5 on 51TS for their two rings.. worse than 2000 Kobe.

Hes been able to pick and choose when he has to play hard for 3 years now.. he straight takes off series in the playoffs. Kobe's was rode into the ground and has always been the focal point of the oppositions defense and cornerstone of LA's offense where as Wade has not.. Bron has.

Its apples and oranges in terms of situations congrats on ignoring everything I said. Better yet nice job ignoring the numbers from 2011 and 2012 but adding up 2013 and 2012 to make him look worse when we all know he was on 0 knees last year in the playoffs.

[tpols]

congrats on ignoring everything I said. Better yet nice job ignoring the numbers from 2011 and 2012 but adding up 2013 and 2012 to make him look worse when we all know he was on 0 knees last year in the playoffs.

You posted the numbers.. which were 27/5/5 vs 24/5/5, gave FGs when Kobe is a 3pt shooter and Wade is not.. overall those numbers are very close. Now factor in that Wade doesnt recieve as much defensive attention as Kobe on a nightly basis and it starts to swing in his favor.

Then factor in that Kobe has 4 1st all nba teams and Wade has 1.. and Kobe has finished better in MVP voting almost every single year.. and it is clearly in Kobe's favor.


Then you attempted to use playoff success to give Wade the nod when hes been very average for a top 20 GOAT in the playoffs and has ridden a top 5 GOAT to rings.. and I know the rebuttal will be But Kobe had Shaq! Yea and Kobe averaged 29/7/6 and 27/5/5 in two of those rings.. not 19/5/5.

[Mass Debator]

Shaq and Kobe's situation is different than Wade and Lebron's. Lebron and Kobe has the ball in his hand the majority of the time. Shaq can kill the opposition with 0-1 dribble while Wade needs the ball in his hand for rhythm. If the ball is in Wade's hand the majority of the time, we can expect another 2011 Lebron. Wade with Shaq will average 27+/5+/7+.

[tpols]

Shaq and Kobe's situation is different than Wade and Lebron's. Lebron and Kobe has the ball in his hand the majority of the time. Shaq can kill the opposition with 0-1 dribble while Wade needs the ball in his hand for rhythm. If the ball is in Wade's hand the majority of the time, we can expect another 2011 Lebron. Wade with Shaq will average 27+/5+/7+.

There is no way in hell Wade averages 27/5/7 with Shaq last year or the year before..

[Mass Debator]

There is no way in hell Wade averages 27/5/7 with Shaq last year or the year before..
I'm talking as if Wade had prime Shaq and Wade was also in his prime.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe averaged 30/6/6 in 2008 playoffs and won the MVP..:oldlol:

Compared to 19/5/5 ???


Wade's team got swept by a Ben Gordon led bulls team in 2007.. Kobe faced a prime Suns team. Kobe also finished 3rd in MVP voting in 2007.. Wade finished 12th....

No...I'm saying that you guys hold Wade's injuries in 07 and 08 heavily against him.

Yet you aren't doing that for Kobe...who missed the playoffs last year and has now missed essentially a full year.

That is the point.

In all those debates about Wade vs Kobe from 05 to present...it's always about Wade's injuries as the main thing Kobe fans point to because the numbers and play is so similar.

Yet now...you are acting like it doesn't matter and pointing to circumstances. And I just find that funny...

[tpols]

No...I'm saying that you guys hold Wade's injuries in 07 and 08 heavily against him.

Yet you aren't doing that for Kobe...who missed the playoffs last year and has now missed essentially a full year.

That is the point.

In all those debates about Wade vs Kobe from 05 to present...it's always about Wade's injuries as the main thing Kobe fans point to because the numbers and play is so similar.

Yet now...you are acting like it doesn't matter and pointing to circumstances. And I just find that funny...

The comparison doesnt work because in 07 and 08 Kobe has Wade beat by every measure because of injury problems right?

Well in 2013 Kobe had injury problems as well with his snapped achilles.. but he STILL finished ahead of Wade in MVP voting and all NBA teams.


The only way what you're saying would work is if Wade had finished above Kobe last year but he didnt. An injured Kobe was seen as the more valuable and impactful piece.. 07/08 injured Wade were not. What you're saying doesnt work.

And Wade would get the nod if he had played even average last year in the playoffs.. but 16/5/4 on sub 50TS.. yea, no that isnt giving him a plus, its a minus if anything.

[DMAVS41]

And here is the truth...

Since the 04 season (Wade's rookie year)

Playoffs

24/6/5 on 23.3 PER 55% TS 49% efg for Wade

28/5/5 on 23.8 PER 55% TS 49% efg for Kobe

Regular season

25/5/6 on 25.4 PER 57% TS 51% efg for Wade

28/6/5 on 24.1 PER 56% TS 49% efg for Kobe


Now, before you all jump on me, I'm not saying that those numbers are all that matters. Kobe is a better scorer even though he's slightly less efficient because he's able to put up 3 or so more ppg. But also, Wade's numbers are hugely impacted in the playoffs by his 13 run in which he was obviously very injured.

Wade has also played significantly better defense over that time span as well. And now the gap in terms of games played (health) over that time is closing as well. As most likely Kobe will have only played around 25 or so more games in the last 11 years in the regular season.

Like I have repeatedly said...those that act like Kobe has clearly been the best sg since Wade came into the league

[DMAVS41]

The comparison doesnt work because in 07 and 08 Kobe has Wade beat by every measure because of injury problems right?

Well in 2013 Kobe had injury problems as well with his snapped achilles.. but he STILL finished ahead of Wade in MVP voting and all NBA teams.


The only way what you're saying would work is if Wade had finished above Kobe last year but he didnt. An injured Kobe was seen as the more valuable and impactful piece.. 07/08 injured Wade were not. What you're saying doesnt work.

And Wade would get the nod if he had played even average last year in the playoffs.. but 16/5/4 on sub 50TS.. yea, no that isnt giving him a plus, its a minus if anything.


I don't care about MVP voting and that non-sense. And I already gave Kobe the edge in 13...I just said it's very slight considering one guy played in the playoffs and won a title...and the other guy didn't play a game.

Again, just using your standards from earlier debates.

Not to mention Wade's 13 regular season is hugely under-rated.

21/5/5 59% TS and he actually played defense. While Kobe's 13 regular season, while great, is getting over-rated by people like you...he was a straight gunner and didn't even pretend to play both sides of the ball...not to mention his team hugely disappointed as well.

But again I don't see the relevance as I've already given 13 to Kobe...but the gap is not big at all considering Kobe didn't play in the most meaningful games while Wade did. I don't see how that is a benefit for Kobe...if Wade played on an average team and only played offense in 13 he could have easily put up 25/6/6 or better and worn down and gotten injured as well. Just not going to go nuts over it.


Notice how you always resort back to things like "seen" or "thought of"...LOL

In 07 Wade was averaging 27/8/5 59% TS iirc...I don't care how he was viewed...when he was right in 07 he was a beast and virtually no gap existed between him and Kobe.

It was 08 in which there was a big gap, mainly due to health...similar to 11 Wade vs 11 Kobe...

[tpols]

MVP voting and 1st team all nba selections matter lol.. it doesnt matter if you choose to ignore them.

[DMAVS41]

MVP voting and 1st team all nba selections matter lol.. it doesnt matter if you choose to ignore them.

No, they really don't...it depends on what reality is.

If your argument is that Kobe is better because he made more 1st teams...that is a shit argument compared to actually debating basketball and impact and numbers...etc.

You keep going on about circumstances for Kobe...but you won't mention them for Wade? You really think his team starting in 11 was well suited for him to garner mvp votes and all nba awards?

Shit...it's a terrible argument.

All you are doing is rewarding one player for shooting more and completely abandoning playing team ball and defense.

The fact that Kobe got it in 11 over Wade is a ****ing joke.

25/5/5 55% TS and no effort defensively vs 26/6/5 58% TS and near elite defense...ROFL

You want me to factor that shit in? Come on now...

Like, please answer, do you really think Kobe was better than Wade in 11?

[tpols]

No, they really don't...it depends on what reality is.
.
Soo reality is only what you say and not what actually happened.. true.

Peace.

[aj1987]

You posted the numbers.. which were 27/5/5 vs 24/5/5, gave FGs when Kobe is a 3pt shooter and Wade is not.. overall those numbers are very close. Now factor in that Wade doesnt recieve as much defensive attention as Kobe on a nightly basis and it starts to swing in his favor.

Then factor in that Kobe has 4 1st all nba teams and Wade has 1.. and Kobe has finished better in MVP voting almost every single year.. and it is clearly in Kobe's favor.


Then you attempted to use playoff success to give Wade the nod when hes been very average for a top 20 GOAT in the playoffs and has ridden a top 5 GOAT to rings.. and I know the rebuttal will be But Kobe had Shaq! Yea and Kobe averaged 29/7/6 and 27/5/5 in two of those rings.. not 19/5/5.
So, what you're saying is that the player with more MVP success is better? I guess LeBron > Kobe all time.

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Wade averaged 23/6/5/2/1 during the '12 Finals. and 23/5/4 in the Playoffs. Dude was ****ing injured in the Playoffs last season and hence the drop in numbers. He still played well in the Finals though. If you really want to ignore injuries, don't forget that Kobe barely made the PO's with 4 ****ing HOF'ers on his team and got knocked out in the first round.

[tpols]

So, what you're saying is that the player with more MVP success is better? I guess LeBron > Kobe all time.

:facepalm

Wade averaged 23/6/5/2/1 during the '12 Finals. and 23/5/4 in the Playoffs. Dude was ****ing injured in the Playoffs last season and hence the drop in numbers. He still played well in the Finals though. If you really want to ignore injuries, don't forget that Kobe barely made the PO's with 4 ****ing HOF'ers on his team and got knocked out in the first round.

Its funny how you make excuses for Wade's plays by documenting in juries.. and then throw full blame on Kobe for last year when the 4 HOFs you mentioned were crippled all year long and missed a combined 70 or so games.. and were barely ever all on the court at once

Do you not see the glaring hypocrisy in your post?


And yes, Lebron will certainly finish over Kobe all time.. he will likely go down as top 3 GOAT since his body seems to last forever and hes got a good 5+ years to stack accolades.

[aj1987]

Its funny how you make excuses for Wade's plays by documenting in juries.. and then throw full blame on Kobe for last year when those 4 HOFs were crippled all year long and missed a combined 100+ games.


Do you not see the glaring hypocrisy in your post?

From my previous post:


Dude was ****ing injured in the Playoffs last season and hence the drop in numbers. He still played well in the Finals though. If you really want to ignore injuries, don't forget that Kobe barely made the PO's with 4 ****ing HOF'ers on his team and got knocked out in the first round.

I said that because you combined his injury riddled PO run with his semi-injured PO run to discredit him. Way to miss the point bro.

[Deuce Bigalow]

19/5/5...those are poverty rings son

[Deuce Bigalow]

Pau Gasol was more of a contributor in the 09&10 rings than Jawayne Wade in 12&13 tbh.

[SexSymbol]

Kobe and it's not even close, this is a joke of a thread.

[riseagainst]

From my previous post:



I said that because you combined his injury riddled PO run with his semi-injured PO run to discredit him. Way to miss the point bro.

those two are completely different situations and not comparable. What are you trying to do? Give Wade a +10/5/5 boost because he played injured? Injured or not, he put up 19/5/5 and the Heat won the chip.

Meanwhile 3/4 the LAkers' starters injured all year and they didnt even win a playoff game without Kobe.

Terrible comparisons.

[red1]

Wade

[DMAVS41]

Soo reality is only what you say and not what actually happened.. true.

Peace.

No, it's what the objective measures and facts are.

I'll ask again since you ignored it.

Do you think Kobe was better in the 11 season than Wade?

[tpols]

From my previous post:



I said that because you combined his injury riddled PO run with his semi-injured PO run to discredit him. Way to miss the point bro.

It was your camp using the rings in Wade's favor. I just applied the context. 19/5/5 for the two rings on a TS that Kobe would be crucified for.

Those are not anything that should be used to prop Wade over Kobe. Kobe coulda averaged that in his sleep on this Heat team.. And the freak achilles injury wouldnt have happened if Kobe hadnt ran his body into the ground carrying LA in the second half of the season. Playing next to bran and bosh would do wonders for his rest and preparation.

[aj1987]

those two are completely different situations and not comparable. What are you trying to do? Give Wade a +10/5/5 boost because he played injured? Injured or not, he put up 19/5/5 and the Heat won the chip.

Meanwhile 3/4 the LAkers' starters injured all year and they didnt even win a playoff game without Kobe.

Terrible comparisons by you.
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The reading comprehension on this board! I was trying to say that you CAN'T CLUB the '12 and '13 numbers because Wade was ****ing INJURED during the '13 PO's. How is that hard to understand. SMH. Ya'll are a bunch of idiots.


Oh, and Dwight missed like 5 games. The games in which Dwight got more than 10 FGA's, the Lakers went 30-9. Dwight averaged 23/14/2/1/3 on excellent efficiency in those games. 12-25 in games in which he got 10 or fewer FGA's (12/12/2 in these games).


It was your camp using the rings in Wade's favor. I just applied the context. 19/5/5 for the two rings on a TS that Kobe would be crucified for.
For the last time, Wade was INJURED in '13. Why are you clubbing those two PO numbers. You did the same shit a couple of days ago in another thread, when you added Kobe's '01 and '02 runs to compare them to Wade's '12 and '13 runs. Why not Kobe's '00 and '02 and Wade's '06 and '12? Doesn't suit your agenda?

[SexSymbol]

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The reading comprehension on this board! I was trying to say that you CAN'T CLUB the '12 and '13 numbers because Wade was ****ing INJURED during the '13 PO's. How is that hard to understand. SMH. Ya'll are a bunch of idiots.


Oh, and Dwight missed like 5 games. The games in which Dwight got more than 10 FGA's, the Lakers went 30-9. Dwight averaged 23/14/2/1/3 on excellent efficiency in those games. 12-25 in games in which he got 10 or fewer FGA's (12/12/2 in these games).
Those were mainly teams without great bigmen so he could get his shots off.
Kobe and Nash went out of their way way too much so that Dwight could get his shots, it's actually what killed the Lakers in the first place, Dwight's one of the worst post up players in the league, and he denied the opportunity to play pnr with Nash, which he was actually very good at.

[tpols]

For the last time, Wade was INJURED in '13. Why are you clubbing those two PO numbers. You did the same shit a couple of days ago in another thread, when you added Kobe's '01 and '02 runs to compare them to Wade's '12 and '13 runs. Why not Kobe's '00 and '02 and Wade's '06 and '12? Doesn't suit your agenda?
Because 06 isnt a second option ring lol

Why would we compare Wade's first option numbers with Kobe's second option numbers when Kobe has plenty of first option runs with which to compare them to?:oldlol:

It doesnt make any sense.

[aboss4real24]

all i hear is excuses 4 wade wheres da production

[aj1987]

Those were mainly teams without great bigmen so he could get his shots off.
Kobe and Nash went out of their way way too much so that Dwight could get his shots, it's actually what killed the Lakers in the first place, Dwight's one of the worst post up players in the league, and he denied the opportunity to play pnr with Nash, which he was actually very good at.
Most of those wins came against Detroit, Minnesota, Utah, Portland, Sacramento, Houston, Chicago, Indiana, etc. all teams which have excellent big men. Stop being such a ****** and STFU. You literally are the worst poster on this board.


all i hear is excuses 4 wade wheres da production
Did you not watch the game last night, you fruity little bitch. Incase you missed it:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201402270MIA.html

[riseagainst]

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The reading comprehension on this board! I was trying to say that you CAN'T CLUB the '12 and '13 numbers because Wade was ****ing INJURED during the '13 PO's. How is that hard to understand. SMH. Ya'll are a bunch of idiots.


no one's clubbing Wade. But you are holding him higher on the pedestal than what his numbers suggested. Like I said earlier, it's like you are giving him a boost in his numbers because he was injured.

Reality is he put up 19/5/5 or whatever it was and that's not stellar. It's respectable given the injury, however.

[ArbitraryWater]

Honestly, probably Kobe... and still a VERY useless comparison...

well I might re-think it though.

2010 Wade, 2011 Wade, 2012 a tie? 2013 Kobe.. 2010&2012 close.

[SexSymbol]

Most of those wins came against Detroit, Minnesota, Utah, Portland, Sacramento, Houston, Chicago, Indiana, etc. all teams which have excellent big men. Stop being such a ****** and STFU. You literally are the worst poster on this board.


Did you not watch the game last night, you fruity little bitch. Incase you missed it:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201402270MIA.html
apr 2013

[ArbitraryWater]

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The reading comprehension on this board! I was trying to say that you CAN'T CLUB the '12 and '13 numbers because Wade was ****ing INJURED during the '13 PO's. How is that hard to understand. SMH. Ya'll are a bunch of idiots.


Oh, and Dwight missed like 5 games. The games in which Dwight got more than 10 FGA's, the Lakers went 30-9. Dwight averaged 23/14/2/1/3 on excellent efficiency in those games. 12-25 in games in which he got 10 or fewer FGA's (12/12/2 in these games).


For the last time, Wade was INJURED in '13. Why are you clubbing those two PO numbers. You did the same shit a couple of days ago in another thread, when you added Kobe's '01 and '02 runs to compare them to Wade's '12 and '13 runs. Why not Kobe's '00 and '02 and Wade's '06 and '12? Doesn't suit your agenda?

Bro you need to understand one thing. It's come to the point where Wade is ALWAYS hurt. Can't play the injury card anymore, it's who he is.

[aj1987]

no one's clubbing Wade. But you are holding him higher on the pedestal than what his numbers suggested. Like I said earlier, it's like you are giving him a boost in his numbers because he was injured.
When did I ever rank Wade over Kobe?! Even in this thread, I still haven't said that Wade is/was better than Kobe.


Reality is he put up 19/5/5 or whatever it was and that's not stellar. It's respectable given the injury, however.
Fact is Wade NEVER averaged 19/5/5. He averaged 23/5/4 and 16/5/5. You can't just club 2 different PO runs, considering the FACT that he was injured during one of those.


Bro you need to understand one thing. It's come to the point where Wade is ALWAYS hurt. Can't play the injury card anymore, it's who he is.
Bro, you need to understand one thing. LeBron has never won a ring without Wade and most likely never will.

[avonbarksdale]

Wade has averaged 24\5\5\2\1 on 50% from the field 35 MPG (311 GP)
Kobe has averaged 27\5\5\1\0 on 46% from the field 37 MPG (297 GP)

Wade has been to 3 straight NBA Finals, 2 titles and should of been a FMVP one of those times.
Kobe hasn't been past the 2nd round of playoffs.

Easy picking here.


what a stupid argument wade plays with lebron and bosh over that sguy never gets double teamed kobe does every game and stlil puts up better scoring on marginally worse fg%

[ArbitraryWater]

When did I ever rank Wade over Kobe?! Even in this thread, I still haven't said that Wade is/was better than Kobe.


Fact is Wade NEVER averaged 19/5/5. He averaged 23/5/4 and 16/5/5. You can't just club 2 different PO runs, considering the FACT that he was injured during one of those.


Bro, you need to understand one thing. LeBron has never won a ring without Wade and most likely never will.

I was serious with the "bro" and now you're mocking me :cry:

good comeback though :applause:

However, you don't think Wade could have been replaced both years with another top 10 guy?

[aj1987]

I was serious with the "bro" and now you're mocking me :cry:

good comeback though :applause:

However, you don't think Wade could have been replaced both years with another top 10 guy?
There is no other SG who can coexist both LeBron and Bosh. Harden is not better than Wade and he would ruin Miami's defensive schemes. Kobe can't play with LeBron. They both need the ball to make something happen. So, yeah.

I've seen you in the Dirk vs Wade thread as well. Stop trying to downplay Wade to prop up LeBron. It's pathetic. Without Wade scoring 24/6/6 on 54%, Miami wouldn't have gone on that 27 game winning streak that you LeTards like to gloat about and without Wade in G4 and G7, Miami would've lost in the Finals as well.

[Micku]

Hmm...depends on the year. Pros and cons for each.

In the regular season, the 10 was pretty much a even in 10. Wade played better against the Celtics in the playoffs tho, but sometimes he scored when the game was pretty much over.

I would say Wade was better offensively and defensively in 11. Kobe got hurt here by time the playoffs.

The 12 year is a bit difficult. Kobe was forcing the offense too much, but I think he got injured (I think) while Wade was taking a different role with LBJ in order to improve the team, but he also got injured. But Wade was much better defensively than Kobe, and could've scored more if he wanted to. I feel like Wade was a bit better, but Kobe had to carry his team this year. They still belong in the same tier.

But the 13 year is where Kobe played better offensively. Though his team was underperformed greatly, they were also battling with injuries. Though Wade was great when he was healthy and probably was the best SG in the league when going on the streak, but he got hurt before the playoffs and it showed. He was very inconsistent.

This year it's Wade by default.

[Micku]

There is no other SG who can coexist both LeBron and Bosh. Harden is not better than Wade and he would ruin Miami's defensive schemes. Kobe can't play with LeBron. They both need the ball to make something happen. So, yeah.

I've seen you in the Dirk vs Wade thread as well. Stop trying to downplay Wade to prop up LeBron. It's pathetic. Without Wade scoring 24/6/6 on 54%, Miami wouldn't have gone on that 27 game winning streak that you LeTards like to gloat about and without Wade in G4 and G7, Miami would've lost in the Finals as well.

Wade needs the ball to make something happen as well. He had to adjust his game to play with LBJ. In 11, that's all they did was iso because they didn't adjust their game property. In 12, Wade tried harder to adjust his game towards LBJ.

I feel like Kobe could adjust his game better if he tried because of his shooting ability and skills, but I don't know if he his ego would let him do with Wade did.

[ArbitraryWater]

There is no other SG who can coexist both LeBron and Bosh. Harden is not better than Wade and he would ruin Miami's defensive schemes. Kobe can't play with LeBron. They both need the ball to make something happen. So, yeah.

I've seen you in the Dirk vs Wade thread as well. Stop trying to downplay Wade to prop up LeBron. It's pathetic. Without Wade scoring 24/6/6 on 54%, Miami wouldn't have gone on that 27 game winning streak that you LeTards like to gloat about and without Wade in G4 and G7, Miami would've lost in the Finals as well.

I'm just a huge Dirk stan you know... if you'd know me better, I'd actually be the first one to say that Wade is still a legit star, I'm rooting for him to average 20+ Points and I know the major help LeBron has had in him&will have this season... I'm not who you think I am. I'm not one of those Bronzy stans. The only negative thing I've said about Wade, which can't be disputed, is he played poor in the 2013 playoffs and was very inconsistent.

Btw what win streak am I or anyony else gloating about? I rarely see that brought up tbh

You need to understand Bron&Dirk are my favorite players, but I'll always give credit. Like with Wade, he deserves it.

So thats a no on "could a top 10 player successfully replace Wade" ? Do you think nobody else could have that kind of G4 or G7? Or have more than 1 total 30 point game in the playoffs? Cmon man. Wade, at least in the 2013 playoffs was fairly easy to replace.. If you aren't with me on this, then we know who the stan is.

[mehyaM24]

only on the internet, wade is THIS praised.

****ing guy was carried by lebron, put up 2000 kobe finals stats, and clowns wanna say "hur dur lebron cant win rangz without wade"? fvck outta here.

without the zebras that is dirks ****ing ring. wade without lebron = another tmac/hill. luckiest superstar ever.

[ArbitraryWater]

only on the internet, wade is THIS praised.

****ing guy was carried by lebron, put up 2000 kobe finals stats, and clowns wanna say "hur dur lebron cant win rangz without wade"? fvck outta here.

without the zebras that is dirks ****ing ring. wade without lebron = another tmac/hill. luckiest superstar ever.

Aj went a bit over board there... its pretty evidenced that 2013 playoffs dwyane "role player" wade could have been replaced by another another top 10.

Right now, Wade is playing amazing. Exactly the way Id want him to play like. My only concern, if he can keep this up for the playoffs.

[mehyaM24]

Aj went a bit over board there... its pretty evidenced that 2013 playoffs dwyane "role player" wade could have been replaced by another another top 10.

Right now, Wade is playing amazing. Exactly the way Id want him to play like. My only concern, if he can keep this up for the playoffs.

i wouldnt put much stock into regular season numbers. when he is forced to play with lebron in the playoffs(:oldlol: at BS excuses that wade is supposedly getting his numbers with the 2nd unit), where legit defense is actually being played, we'll talk. dude is lucky as **** lebron is creating easy opportunities for him.

[aj1987]

I'm just a huge Dirk stan you know... if you'd know me better, I'd actually be the first one to say that Wade is still a legit star, I'm rooting for him to average 20+ Points and I know the major help LeBron has had in him&will have this season... I'm not who you think I am. I'm not one of those Bronzy stans. The only negative thing I've said about Wade, which can't be disputed, is he played poor in the 2013 playoffs and was very inconsistent.

Btw what win streak am I or anyony else gloating about? I rarely see that brought up tbh

You need to understand Bron&Dirk are my favorite players, but I'll always give credit. Like with Wade, he deserves it.

So thats a no on "could a top 10 player successfully replace Wade" ? Do you think nobody else could have that kind of G4 or G7? Or have more than 1 total 30 point game in the playoffs? Cmon man. Wade, at least in the 2013 playoffs was fairly easy to replace.. If you aren't with me on this, then we know who the stan is.
Dude, you say that LeBron is better than MJ. I can't take any of your posts seriously.

[TheGreatDeraj]

Wow, Kobe isn't even playing in 2014, that is a big boost for Wade.

I'll take Kobe.

[ArbitraryWater]

Dude, you say that LeBron is better than MJ. I can't take any of your posts seriously.

:biggums: Wtf? No, no I never have.

Jordan >> LeBron.

You're getting my tag confused with future aspirations. Its what I would like to see happen....

BUT

Avoiding the topic at hand, clear sign of having lost the argument :rockon:

Thanks for the boost, bro

[SexSymbol]

Hmm...depends on the year. Pros and cons for each.

In the regular season, the 10 was pretty much a even in 10. Wade played better against the Celtics in the playoffs tho, but sometimes he scored when the game was pretty much over.

I would say Wade was better offensively and defensively in 11. Kobe got hurt here by time the playoffs.

The 12 year is a bit difficult. Kobe was forcing the offense too much, but I think he got injured (I think) while Wade was taking a different role with LBJ in order to improve the team, but he also got injured. But Wade was much better defensively than Kobe, and could've scored more if he wanted to. I feel like Wade was a bit better, but Kobe had to carry his team this year. They still belong in the same tier.

But the 13 year is where Kobe played better offensively. Though his team was underperformed greatly, they were also battling with injuries. Though Wade was great when he was healthy and probably was the best SG in the league when going on the streak, but he got hurt before the playoffs and it showed. He was very inconsistent.

This year it's Wade by default.
12 ain't difficult. Kobe was carrying the offense on Mike Brown's ****ing team with a torn ligament in his hand, had 4 straight 40 pt games, played pretty good in the PO too.

[tpols]

Bro you need to understand one thing. It's come to the point where Wade is ALWAYS hurt. Can't play the injury card anymore, it's who he is.

Its absurd.. if were gonna boost Wade's 19/5/5 because of injury what does Kobe's 30/5/5 from 2010 get bumped to when he was playing on one knee with a mangled shooting hand ? A hypothetical 40/5/5?:oldlol:

[BasedTom]

So apparently when it's Kobe vs Bron, Wade is carrying Lebron. But when it's Kobe vs Wade, it's Bron carrying the team.

So which is it, Lakers fans?

[aj1987]

Its absurd.. if were gonna boost Wade's 19/5/5 because of injury what does Kobe's 30/5/5 from 2010 get bumped to when he was playing on one knee with a mangled shooting hand ? A hypothetical 40/5/5?:oldlol:
Are you ****ing retarded? Nodbody is "boosting" Wade's made up 19/5/5. Fact is, Wade never averaged 19/5/5. He had a 23/5/4 and a 16/5/5. You're the idiot who's insistent on clubbing up the two seasons to prop up Kobe.

Anways, I haven't said it yet, but let's do it now.

2010: Kobe. Wade had a great RS on an absolutely shitty Heat team. Led them to 47 wins and scored 33/7/6/2/2 on 56% against the Celtics, who shut down Kobe and LeBron. Gotta give it Kobe because of the title.
2011: Wade. Wade was MUCH better than Kobe. Had a better playoff run as well. Better on both ends of the floor.
2012: Wade. Again, Wade was absolutely better than Kobe on both ends of the floor. This was actually Wade's best defensive season after the '09 and '11 seasons.
2013: Wade. Pretty close again. Kobe did have like 6 PPG more than Wade, but he was absolutely horrendous on the defensive end. Wade was extremely clutch (51% in the 4th Q's) offensively and defensively as well.
2014: Wade. Kobe played like 5 games, so Wade.

There. Kobe has had one season better than Wade since '10.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Are you ****ing retarded? Nodbody is "boosting" Wade's made up 19/5/5. Fact is, Wade never averaged 19/5/5. He had a 23/5/4 and a 16/5/5. You're the idiot who's insistent on clubbing up the two seasons to prop up Kobe.

Anways, I haven't said it yet, but let's do it now.

2010: Kobe. Wade had a great RS on an absolutely shitty Heat team. Led them to 47 wins and scored 33/7/6/2/2 on 56% against the Celtics, who shut down Kobe and LeBron. Gotta give it Kobe because of the title.
2011: Wade. Wade was MUCH better than Kobe. Had a better playoff run as well. Better on both ends of the floor.
2012: Wade. Again, Wade was absolutely better than Kobe on both ends of the floor. This was actually Wade's best defensive season after the '09 and '11 seasons.
2013: Wade. Pretty close again. Kobe did have like 6 PPG more than Wade, but he was absolutely horrendous on the defensive end. Wade was extremely clutch (51% in the 4th Q's) offensively and defensively as well.
2014: Wade. Kobe played like 5 games, so Wade.

There. Kobe has had one season better than Wade since '10.

This isn't biased or anything.

[aj1987]

This isn't biased or anything.
Unbiased sports fans? What's that?

[ArbitraryWater]

Are you ****ing retarded? Nodbody is "boosting" Wade's made up 19/5/5. Fact is, Wade never averaged 19/5/5. He had a 23/5/4 and a 16/5/5. You're the idiot who's insistent on clubbing up the two seasons to prop up Kobe.

Anways, I haven't said it yet, but let's do it now.

2010: Kobe. Wade had a great RS on an absolutely shitty Heat team. Led them to 47 wins and scored 33/7/6/2/2 on 56% against the Celtics, who shut down Kobe and LeBron. Gotta give it Kobe because of the title.
2011: Wade. Wade was MUCH better than Kobe. Had a better playoff run as well. Better on both ends of the floor.
2012: Wade. Again, Wade was absolutely better than Kobe on both ends of the floor. This was actually Wade's best defensive season after the '09 and '11 seasons.
2013: Wade. Pretty close again. Kobe did have like 6 PPG more than Wade, but he was absolutely horrendous on the defensive end. Wade was extremely clutch (51% in the 4th Q's) offensively and defensively as well.
2014: Wade. Kobe played like 5 games, so Wade.

There. Kobe has had one season better than Wade since '10.

http://i.imgur.com/KoiGN.jpg

RS Kobe on 2013 Heat for Wade, LBJ&KB cruise to the Title a lot easier than he did with Wade..

[ArbitraryWater]

Unbiased sports fans? What's that?

Yea, go play your bias off like that

[aj1987]

RS Kobe on 2013 Heat for Wade, LBJ&KB cruise to the Title a lot easier than he did with Wade..
True. Would Kobe be allowed to play in a wheelchair though?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Are you ****ing retarded? Nodbody is "boosting" Wade's made up 19/5/5. Fact is, Wade never averaged 19/5/5. He had a 23/5/4 and a 16/5/5. You're the idiot who's insistent on clubbing up the two seasons to prop up Kobe.

Anways, I haven't said it yet, but let's do it now.

2010: Kobe. Wade had a great RS on an absolutely shitty Heat team. Led them to 47 wins and scored 33/7/6/2/2 on 56% against the Celtics, who shut down Kobe and LeBron. Gotta give it Kobe because of the title.
2011: Wade. Wade was MUCH better than Kobe. Had a better playoff run as well. Better on both ends of the floor.
2012: Wade. Again, Wade was absolutely better than Kobe on both ends of the floor. This was actually Wade's best defensive season after the '09 and '11 seasons.
2013: Wade. Pretty close again. Kobe did have like 6 PPG more than Wade, but he was absolutely horrendous on the defensive end. Wade was extremely clutch (51% in the 4th Q's) offensively and defensively as well.
2014: Wade. Kobe played like 5 games, so Wade.

There. Kobe has had one season better than Wade since '10.
:rolleyes:

[aboss4real24]

Most of those wins came against Detroit, Minnesota, Utah, Portland, Sacramento, Houston, Chicago, Indiana, etc. all teams which have excellent big men. Stop being such a ****** and STFU. You literally are the worst poster on this board.


Did you not watch the game last night, you fruity little bitch. Incase you missed it:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201402270MIA.html

I SAW HIM hittn lay ups over 1 of the worst defenders and d#s in the nba

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201305240MIA.html

U Mustv 4got wat happen wen he played vs a gud d# :rockon:

[aboss4real24]

So apparently when it's Kobe vs Bron, Wade is carrying Lebron. But when it's Kobe vs Wade, it's Bron carrying the team.

So which is it, Lakers fans?

dont think they will answer dat 1 :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wade has averaged 24\5\5\2\1 on 50% from the field 35 MPG (311 GP)
Kobe has averaged 27\5\5\1\0 on 46% from the field 37 MPG (297 GP)

Wade has been to 3 straight NBA Finals, 2 titles and should of been a FMVP one of those times.
Kobe hasn't been past the 2nd round of playoffs.

Easy picking here.
:rolleyes:

[tpols]

Are you ****ing retarded? Nodbody is "boosting" Wade's made up 19/5/5. Fact is, Wade never averaged 19/5/5. He had a 23/5/4 and a 16/5/5. You're the idiot who's insistent on clubbing up the two seasons to prop up Kobe.

Anways, I haven't said it yet, but let's do it now.

2010: Kobe. Wade had a great RS on an absolutely shitty Heat team. Led them to 47 wins and scored 33/7/6/2/2 on 56% against the Celtics, who shut down Kobe and LeBron. Gotta give it Kobe because of the title.
2011: Wade. Wade was MUCH better than Kobe. Had a better playoff run as well. Better on both ends of the floor.
2012: Wade. Again, Wade was absolutely better than Kobe on both ends of the floor. This was actually Wade's best defensive season after the '09 and '11 seasons.
2013: Wade. Pretty close again. Kobe did have like 6 PPG more than Wade, but he was absolutely horrendous on the defensive end. Wade was extremely clutch (51% in the 4th Q's) offensively and defensively as well.
2014: Wade. Kobe played like 5 games, so Wade.

There. Kobe has had one season better than Wade since '10.

I agree with everything except 2011 being waaay better and 2013.

In 2011, Kobe and Wade were neck and neck all season long.. Wade separated himself in the playoffs for sure though. Not a crazy difference though. If you give that much credit to the POs though then you'd have to say Kobe's 2010 was waaaay better since he not only had the more successful playoff run, but he capped it off with a FMVP and not a loss to an underdog.

2013 Kobe was considered better all year up til he got injured at the very end. Wade had a miserable playoffs for a top 3 all time SG.. that doesnt boost him.. it makes the separation worse.

So its 2-2 with Wade about to take lead this season. Of course Kobe came into the league 7 years before him so its about damn time.

[aj1987]

:rolleyes:
As I said, it's pretty close. You wouldn't go wrong with either. I picked Wade only because of how horrible Kobe was on the defensive end. Wade a besting after a slow start as well. 23/6/6/2/1 on 53% over a 41 game stretch.

@ aboss4real24, Shut up, Cecil.

[tpols]

True. Would Kobe be allowed to play in a wheelchair though?

He wouldnt be in a wheelchair because he wouldnt be getting worked like a dog by a dumbass coach riding him to the point his lower leg snaps. :oldlol:

The minutes would be much better managed with bran carrying..

[ArbitraryWater]

He wouldnt be in a wheelchair because he wouldnt be getting worked like a dog by a dumbass coach riding him to the point his lower leg snaps. :oldlol:

The minutes would be much better managed with bran carrying..

Great point. Kinda missed that.. no need for Kobe playing like 40+ mins for 5 games straight.. could take all the rest he needed.

[Deuce Bigalow]

As I said, it's pretty close. You wouldn't go wrong with either. I picked Wade only because of how horrible Kobe was on the defensive end. Wade a besting after a slow start as well. 23/6/6/2/1 on 53% over a 41 game stretch.

@ aboss4real24, Shut up, Cecil.
Kobe averaged 29/5/5 on 46% his first 41 games and 25/6/7 on 46% his last 37 games. No slow starts and was good all 78 games long. Just another All-nba First team selection. Kobe takes more 3s and shoots better at the line so their FG% doesn't tell everything. I think their TS% were both 57%. No case at all really. Wade didn't even make the second team let alone first.

[aj1987]

Kobe averaged 29/5/5 on 46% his first 41 games and 25/6/7 on 46% his last 37 games. No slow starts and was good all 78 games long. Just another All-nba First team selection. Kobe takes more 3s and shoots better at the line so their FG% doesn't tell everything. I think their TS% were both 57%. No case at all really. Wade didn't even make the second team let alone first.
So, he scored 6 points more? Ok. Kobe took 5 shots more and 2 FT's more to get those 6 extra points. He played 4 minutes more than Wade as well. Also, the Laker fans were complaining about Kobe's defense or the lack of it and how they were losing games because of it. That coupled with the fact that Wade won a ring while averaging 20/5/5 in the Finals, puts him over Kobe for me.

[Deuce Bigalow]

So, he scored 6 points more? Ok. Kobe took 5 shots more and 2 FT's more to get those 6 extra points. He played 4 minutes more than Wade as well. Also, the Laker fans were complaining about Kobe's defense or the lack of it and how they were losing games because of it. That coupled with the fact that Wade won a ring while averaging 20/5/5 in the Finals, puts him over Kobe for me.
6 more points per game is a lot :oldlol:

20/5/5 is a poverty ring :lol

[aj1987]

6 more points per game is a lot :oldlol:

20/5/5 is a poverty ring :lol
Not when you need 5 shots and 2 FT's to do it.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Why are some people saying Kobe hasn't been past the 2nd round during this time period?

[ArbitraryWater]

Why are some people saying Kobe hasn't been past the 2nd round during this time period?

Ignoring 2010 lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

Not when you need 5 shots and 2 FT's to do it.
Kobe First team
Wade Third team

Both play the same position. Tell me why this happened?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Explain to me the MVP voting results?

Kobe 5th place despite his team getting the 7th seed with 45 wins!
Wade 10th place when his team had the best record in the league with 66 wins...

[DMAVS41]

I agree with everything except 2011 being waaay better and 2013.

In 2011, Kobe and Wade were neck and neck all season long.. Wade separated himself in the playoffs for sure though. Not a crazy difference though. If you give that much credit to the POs though then you'd have to say Kobe's 2010 was waaaay better since he not only had the more successful playoff run, but he capped it off with a FMVP and not a loss to an underdog.

2013 Kobe was considered better all year up til he got injured at the very end. Wade had a miserable playoffs for a top 3 all time SG.. that doesnt boost him.. it makes the separation worse.

So its 2-2 with Wade about to take lead this season. Of course Kobe came into the league 7 years before him so its about damn time.

Yet I posted the numbers from 04 to present and it's a total toss up as to which player was better.

Not to mention Wade was injured for part of his peak...and had to play an entire playoff run seriously injured (2013)

So what do you mean it's about damn time? The two have are neck and neck overall over the last 11 years.

[aj1987]

Kobe First team
Wade Third team

Both play the same position. Tell me why this happened?
The same reason why he didn't make the All-NBA First in '11 and '12 or the All-Defensive teams in '06, '11, '12, and '13.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe First team
Wade Third team

Both play the same position. Tell me why this happened?

I don't know, but the distinction loses all cred when Kobe got it over Wade in 11. One of the biggest jokes ever.

Wade was just objectively better than Kobe in the 11 regular season. I don't care who voted what...

25/5/5 on 23.9 PER 55% TS 49% efg is just objectively worse than;

26/5/6 on 25.6 PER 58% TS and 52% efg

Not to mention Wade played better defense...noticeably

[DMAVS41]

Its absurd.. if were gonna boost Wade's 19/5/5 because of injury what does Kobe's 30/5/5 from 2010 get bumped to when he was playing on one knee with a mangled shooting hand ? A hypothetical 40/5/5?:oldlol:

Kobe was not injured like Wade was in the 10 playoffs. Well, he was for parts of the OKC series and he looked like shit at times as well.

13 playoffs Wade wasn't just some nagging issue or something...dude was a complete shell.

And you don't have to bump it or anything. There is nothing to compare it to. You don't give bonus points to Kobe for getting hurt...so why do it with Wade...I totally agree.

The problem is...playing is better than not playing here in a direct comparison. So you can't penalize Wade for playing injured...while Kobe is at home. On that logic...Wade would have been better sitting out the playoffs and have us only talk about his regular season (which was actually quite good overall...just not as good as Kobe's)

So I just don't see how playing in the playoffs vs not doesn't boost Wade a little...especially because you were one to point out that Wade stepped up when it really mattered all the time last year.

[Micku]

I don't know, but the distinction loses all cred when Kobe got it over Wade in 11. One of the biggest jokes ever.

Wade was just objectively better than Kobe in the 11 regular season. I don't care who voted what...

25/5/5 on 23.9 PER 55% TS 49% efg is just objectively worse than;

26/5/6 on 25.6 PER 58% TS and 52% efg

Not to mention Wade played better defense...noticeably

I still can't believe Kobe got a defensive nod over Tony Allen that year. Tony Allen should've been the first team. Wade was also better than Kobe too. Tragedy there.

And Kobe still got a nod over Wade in 2012 as well in the all defensive team. It's amazing how Kobe got those awards even tho stats and the eye test say otherwise.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2004: Kobe, rookie Wade doe
2005: Equal
2006: Kobe (slightly)
2007: Pre Injury Equal, but Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Equal
2010: Kobe (slightly)
2011: Wade
2012: Kobe (slightly)
2013: Kobe

Kobe wins 7x times, Wade wins once, 2x ties.

[ArbitraryWater]

2004: Kobe, rookie Wade doe
2005: Equal
2006: Kobe (slightly)
2007: Pre Injury Equal, but Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Equal
2010: Kobe (slightly)
2011: Wade
2012: Kobe (slightly)
2013: Kobe

Kobe wins 7x times, Wade wins once, 2x ties.

2005&2009 isn't equal though. It's Wade.

[SexSymbol]

2005&2009 isn't equal though. It's Wade.
Kobe was a finals MVP with amazing PO performances, Wade isn't touching that just because he put up some stats on a bad team.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe was a finals MVP with amazing PO performances, Wade isn't touching that just because he put up some stats on a bad team.

You know you just made the perfect argument for 2006 Wade then? :applause:

Be consistent with it

[SamuraiSWISH]

2005&2009 isn't equal though. It's Wade.
2005 you're right on that considering Wade's playoffs. My mistake. For 2009? I'm torn. On one hand the regular season is clearly Wade's ... but Kobe was coasting conserving energy for the playoffs, and he had quite a nice run leading his team to the championship.

[ArbitraryWater]

2005 you're right on that considering Wade's playoffs. My mistake. For 2009? I'm torn. On one hand the regular season is clearly Wade's ... but Kobe was coasting conserving energy for the playoffs, and he had quite a nice run leading his team to the championship.

Agreed. I was thinking about adding 2009 or not.

Because Kobe had a good playoff run, while lets be real here, its never talked about, but Wade severely underperformed against the Hawks. Played meh. That was a trash Hawks team that he should have put away in 6. Fcuk, LeBron with not that much of a better team did it in 4.

This is also why Kobe 2006 vs Wade 2009 is damn close. Kobe played a whole lot better in the post-season.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe played a whole lot better in the post-season.
I agree, but he still disappointed me in those playoffs. I know Jackson had him as a decoy, playing fascilitator switching the game plan up on Phoenix when in the regular season Kobe routinely dropped 50 on them. But that team played no defense. I felt like given his regular season he should've been able to average 32/7/7 type numbers on those Suns. Instead he put up 29 ppg, but on great 50% efficiency. Had an amazing game 6 too. Wade's 2010 playoffs get slept on too, he played very well against a Boston team that gave Kobe more trouble.

[ArbitraryWater]

I agree, but he still disappointed me in those playoffs. I know Jackson had him as a decoy, playing fascilitator switching the game plan up on Phoenix when in the regular season Kobe routinely dropped 50 on them. But that team played no defense. I felt like given his regular season he should've been able to average 32/7/7 type numbers on those Suns. Instead he put up 29 ppg, but on great 50% efficiency. Had an amazing game 6 too. Wade's 2010 playoffs get slept on too, he played very well against a Boston team that gave Kobe more trouble.

Yep. Which is why for me 2009&2010 the Top 3 consisting of LeBron/Wade/Kobe are very close together. The difference was, with Superstars winning Titles, Kobe's Competition had trash teams.

Wade, Kobe, Dirk. At least in LeBron's&Dirk's Case, their teams were exposed&outplayed horribly come playoff time.

[catquickspider]

2010-2011 Averaged 25\7\4 in the playoffs including 27\7\5 against the Mavericks and 30\8\5 vs the Celtics

2011-2012 Averaged 23\5\4 in the playoffs including 26\6\3 vs the Pacers while included a 30\9\6 must win game 4 and a 41\10\3 clinching game 6.
Averaged 23\6\5 in the NBA Finals.

2012-2013 After a great regular season he went down with bad knee injuries, which I will admit he was awful until the NBA Finals. Still had 21\9 in the clinching game 7 vs Indiana. Averaged 20\5\5 in the NBA Finals including 32\6\4 in a must win game 4 and 23\10 in game 7.

I'm sorry but aside from the first 3 series last season you have NO argument for saying he was carried. He was playing on no knees last year in the playoffs neither.

Kobe gets shitted on for playing with Shaq and now Wade being carried by Bron is to be ignored? :biggums:

[DMAVS41]

2004: Kobe, rookie Wade doe
2005: Equal
2006: Kobe (slightly)
2007: Pre Injury Equal, but Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Equal
2010: Kobe (slightly)
2011: Wade
2012: Kobe (slightly)
2013: Kobe

Kobe wins 7x times, Wade wins once, 2x ties.

There is absolutely no way that they were equal in 05. Looking at yours standards...it should be;

04: Kobe
05: Wade
06: Equal
07: Kobe
08: Kobe
09: Equal
10: Equal
11: Wade
12: Equal
13: Kobe
14: Wade

Kobe wins in 04, 07, 08, and 13
Wade wins in 05, 11, and 14

Equal in the rest.

I don't really have a problem with that breakdown...although I'd probably take Wade slightly in 10 and 12, but that is just me