View Full Version : Can Harden be as good as prime B-Roy in a few years?
Shade8780
03-01-2014, 06:30 PM
We havent really seen Harden in a main role in the Playoffs so cant really say he isnt clutch. Also is only 24 so he has a lot of room to grow still, defensively and offensively.
Jameerthefear
03-01-2014, 06:33 PM
Yeah. Most likely better.
Milbuck
03-01-2014, 06:34 PM
I think if he works hard and has the right mentality, he could some day be as good as Devean George.
FKAri
03-01-2014, 06:35 PM
I don't see it for some reason.
Shade8780
03-01-2014, 06:36 PM
I think if he works hard and has the right mentality, he could some day be as good as Devean George.
shut up milbuck.
KyrieTheFuture
03-01-2014, 06:49 PM
Harden's that dude at the pickup game who calls foul on every drive he takes.
Kiddlovesnets
03-01-2014, 06:50 PM
Hes already better than Roy ever was.
:no:
Hes already better than Roy ever was.
:no:
No
To answer the question yes, of course he can be better
HylianNightmare
03-01-2014, 06:58 PM
easily could be better
Rose'sACL
03-01-2014, 06:58 PM
His FG% is worse but he makes up for that by getting to the free throw line a lot more.
K Xerxes
03-01-2014, 06:59 PM
Yes of course. If he can improve his defense from non existent to anything of note, he'll be a really good player. I know a lot of people complain about his FT calls, but he still puts points up on the board like few other people in the league can. He is already a pretty accomplished player and has a lot of room to grow.
Eric Cartman
03-01-2014, 06:59 PM
Harden is EASILY better.
Smook A.
03-01-2014, 07:01 PM
Well offensively I think he's just as good if not better. Last season Harden averaged 26 ppg and this season its 24.5
B-Roy's career high in ppg in 22 but he was more skilled. If Harden wants to be a better overall player he's got to work on his defensive footwork and technique. Currently I feel like he's already a pretty good all-around player. 25/5/5. Like I said before, if he wants to be complete he needs to put more effort into defense. When I see him actually try, he's not that bad.
oarabbus
03-01-2014, 07:15 PM
We havent really seen Harden in a main role in the Playoffs so cant really say he isnt clutch. Also is only 24 so he has a lot of room to grow still, defensively and offensively.
IIRC he got bounced out of the first round by a no-Westbrook Thunder while being the #1 main role featured option...
Harden is EASILY better.
http://balancejoyanddelicias.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/no.gif
el_locoteee
03-01-2014, 08:01 PM
IIRC he got bounced out of the first round by a no-Westbrook Thunder while being the #1 main role featured option...
Why GS fans so scare of Houston?
Rubio2Gasol
03-01-2014, 08:12 PM
Refs are slowly catching on to his nonsense.
oarabbus
03-01-2014, 08:13 PM
Why GS fans so scare of Houston?
Simply pointing out that it isn't true that we've never seen Harden as a first option in the playoffs.
Eric Cartman
03-01-2014, 08:14 PM
http://balancejoyanddelicias.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/no.gif
Clearly the core concept.
RoseCity07
03-01-2014, 10:15 PM
Seeing as no one in the league could stop prime Brandon Roy I doubt it. Kobe even said Roy is the only player that has that all around game like his. Harden doesn't have the array of moves that Roy had. In comparison to Roy, Harden seems one dimensional.
Brandon Roy scored every god damn time Portland needed a clutch basket. With Harden your main concern is that he is going to flop and get a call. I doubt he ever reaches Roy's level. Harden can be shut down and Roy couldn't. That's something I never see Harden becoming.
He could be in the future. His offense will likely have to become clearly better since I don't see his defense ever being close.
brantonli
03-01-2014, 11:25 PM
Brandon Roy torched the Rockets in the playoffs....man I remember regretting so much that the Rockets didn't tank harder in 2006 to get a higher draft pick.
Oddly enough things have worked out well for both teams in the end.
Cold soul
03-01-2014, 11:36 PM
I don't see why not Harden can most def be better especially in the future.
RoseCity07
03-01-2014, 11:38 PM
Brandon Roy torched the Rockets in the playoffs....man I remember regretting so much that the Rockets didn't tank harder in 2008 to get a higher draft pick.
Oddly enough things have worked out well for both teams in the end.
Tank for Harden or Roy? Roy was in the 2006 draft.
Jacks3
03-01-2014, 11:42 PM
Yeah, he could be better. Let's not act like Roy was some godly, transcendent player.
miggyme1
03-02-2014, 02:11 AM
this thread is trash....u comparing james harden to a person that never reached his peak??? smh...STUPID...
AND YES harden has already surpassed broy..idk what league u been watching..its not a fair comparison though because we didnt get to see much from broy..like what... 4 good seasons and then he was gone? 4 seasons and broy was already in his prime? lmao....too many kids on here these days. i guess lebron was in his prime in 07 when he went to the finals too...what about dwade when he went to the finals in 06? SMH
houston
03-02-2014, 02:14 AM
he already better
Smook A.
03-02-2014, 02:21 AM
Brandon Roy torched the Rockets in the playoffs....man I remember regretting so much that the Rockets didn't tank harder in 2008 to get a higher draft pick.
Oddly enough things have worked out well for both teams in the end.
He didn't torch us. He played good but Houston beat Portland in 6 games
el_locoteee
03-02-2014, 03:00 AM
Simply pointing out that it isn't true that we've never seen Harden as a first option in the playoffs.
B-Roy Didn't achieve anything in the playoff.
MichaelCorleone
03-02-2014, 03:01 AM
No.
In order to be on par with Roy, Harden has to improve his D. For a 25/5/5 player, he's also not well-rounded. His scoring often depends on getting to the line. His scoring is basically get to the line or hit a 3. His mid-range game is as existent as his D.
Smook A.
03-02-2014, 03:16 AM
In order to be on par with Roy, Harden has to improve his D. For a 25/5/5 player, he's also not well-rounded. His scoring often depends on getting to the line. His scoring is basically get to the line or hit a 3. His mid-range game is as existent as his D.
He is pretty good slasher too and his mid-range game is much much better from last season
el_locoteee
03-02-2014, 03:22 AM
In order to be on par with Roy, Harden has to improve his D. For a 25/5/5 player, he's also not well-rounded. His scoring often depends on getting to the line. His scoring is basically get to the line or hit a 3. His mid-range game is as existent as his D.
Roy was a bad defender, and Harden can hit his mid-range jumper very well but Houston system try to avoid as much as possible the mid-range jumper the worst statistical shoot. Score on the paint or shoot jumpers.
brantonli
03-02-2014, 05:14 AM
Tank for Harden or Roy? Roy was in the 2006 draft.
ah sorry, yeah 2006 draft when the Rockets got Rudy Gay (I believe the Rockets really wanted Roy, had a deal in place to get him at the 8th, but Portland got wind of the deal and swooped in to take him at 6th).
He didn't torch us. He played good but Houston beat Portland in 6 games
The team beat Portland, but Roy did well. Well enough to get Artest to say this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC1PMNq6iII
BlazerRed
03-02-2014, 05:44 AM
Roy would have had a way better career had he not gotten injured.
LilEddyCurry
03-02-2014, 05:57 AM
He is already not far off from Roy maybe even..
JtotheIzzo
03-02-2014, 06:05 AM
I think he is already there, people are sleeping on this guy.
ILLsmak
03-02-2014, 11:20 AM
I think he is already there, people are sleeping on this guy.
People sleeping on Roy more like it.
Harden is a good player, probably even a superstar, but Roy... for a little bit before he got injured, was better. I think a lot better.
-Smak
Fire Colangelo
03-02-2014, 02:56 PM
Harden is one of those players that is not as good as his numbers suggest (kind of like Ellis).
Roy was one of those players that is better than his numbers suggest. People sleeping on Roy, I remember watching him back in 09 and couldn't believe it when I saw he was averaging 22 points. Watching him I thought he was averaging like 27 or something.
Roy was fantastic off the ball, took smart shots, fantastic mid range, just everything you'd want from a star player.
Hes already better than Roy ever was.
:no:
:roll: Harden isn't close to having the overall impact on the game/teammates as Brandon Roy...
Smook A.
03-02-2014, 03:01 PM
:roll: Harden isn't close to having the overall impact on the game/teammates as Brandon Roy...
He averages 24 ppg along with 6 apg. He gets his teammates involved. Theres a reason why the Rockets are one of the best teams in the NBA with Harden leading the way
Harden is one of those players that is not as good as his numbers suggest (kind of like Ellis).
Roy was one of those players that is better than his numbers suggest. People sleeping on Roy, I remember watching him back in 09 and couldn't believe it when I saw he was averaging 22 points. Watching him I thought he was averaging like 27 or something.
Roy was fantastic off the ball, took smart shots, fantastic mid range, just everything you'd want from a star player.
Great post...People want to talk sh*t about Paul George being overrated, JAMES NO DEFENSE HARDEN is one of the most overrated players in the NBA. Perfect example of a player who would be a role player in the 90's because he wouldn't be getting free throws handed to him. Hell he might not be on the court depending on the coach he's playing for if he plays defense like he does. I remember Brandon Roy was a smooth, all around dude. And somebody said he was a bad defender which is obviously false. Kobe doesn't credit bad defenders. These dudes are caught up in stats without context.
He averages 24 ppg along with 6 apg. He gets his teammates involved. Theres a reason why the Rockets are one of the best teams in the NBA with Harden leading the way
>>>>>>>>>stats
If you handle the ball as much as he does, you SHOULD get 6 assists, especially after you dribble half the shot clock down and then are forced to kick it out. HE gets the Allen Iverson assists. He's lucky he plays with Howard and Parsons who can finish for him. If he weren't giftwrapped free throws, I'd respect his ppg more. But with his low shooting % plus being giftwrapped ft's, I can't respect that. He definitely doesn't seem as tough to defend as a guy like Brandon Roy who can post you up, take you off the dribble, drill the mid range shot, didn't take many three's but can make them and he can finish strong at the rim without flopping for fouls. Roy >>>>>>>>>. Harden.
Smook A.
03-02-2014, 03:08 PM
>>>>>>>>>stats
If you handle the ball as much as he does, you SHOULD get 6 assists, especially after you dribble half the shot clock down and then are forced to kick it out. He's lucky he plays with Howard and Parsons who can finish for him. If he weren't giftwrapped free throws, I'd respect his ppg more. But with his low shooting % plus being giftwrapped ft's, I can't respect that. He definitely doesn't seem as tough to defend as a guy like Brandon Roy who can post you up, take you off the dribble, drill the mid range shot, didn't take many three's but can make them and he can finish strong at the rim without flopping for fouls. Roy >>>>>>>>>. Harden.
You just said Harden has a low FG% when your boy Paul George has a lower one
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