Wade is the best SG in the league

[moe94]

Fact or fiction?

[DaSeba5]

Well Kobe is out, so it's between him and Harden. I'd take Wade if he's healthy (which he is). His post game is phenomenal.

[hitmanyr2k]

That's not hard to be these days :confusedshrug:

[Im so nba'd out]

http://i.imgur.com/NbDxMRE.png

[Smook A.]

Currently Wade has been playing with good confidence and he's making most of his field goals. Since the all-star break, both Harden and Wade have been playing very well. I'd say its a toss up

[Meticode]

Well there's really only two choices. Harden or Wade at this point.

When Wade is healthy he's probably the best. Him or Kobe. Right now I think he's playing better than Harden because he brings it to both ends of the floor when it matters.

Lance Stephenson is another one, he's probably third because he brings it both ends too.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Probably so. Wade, followed by Joe, and then Harden.

[Im so nba'd out]

Well there's really only two choices. Harden or Wade at this point.

When Wade is healthy he's probably the best. Him or Kobe. Right now I think he's playing better than Harden because he brings it to both ends of the floor when it matters.

Lance Stephenson is another one, he's probably third because he brings it both ends too.
lol @ lance better than derozan ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL:roll:

[Dr Hawk]

That is a fact. He has to play though.

[derb2k2]

Harden.

:coleman:

[Smook A.]

Probably so. Wade, followed by Joe, and then Harden.
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3914361/Russ-Troll.gif

[moe94]

Probably so. Wade, followed by Joe, and then Harden.
Joe? Johnson?

:biggums: :roll:

[DaSeba5]

Probably so. Wade, followed by Joe, and then Harden.

:lol

And people are forgetting about DeRozan for 3rd

[navy]

Wade and Harden are the only choices. I think when wade is healthy it is him, but he's been inconsistent. For now Harden until we see more.

[Im so nba'd out]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3914361/Russ-Troll.gif
how many times you gona use this gif bro give it up

[DonDadda59]

When healthy, yes. Don't know if any player in the league outside of his running mate is as explosive as a 100% Flash.

[Smook A.]

how many times you gona use this gif bro give it up
:lol
Its too perfect

[chazzy]

Probably rank Harden over him for the year, but he's been playing better lately.

[GrapeApe]

Right now Wade is playing like a top 5 player.

[Meticode]

lol @ lance better than derozan ROFLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL:roll:
I'll take Lance of DeRozan. DeRozan's my fourth. Lance changes the game on the defensive end and leads the league in triple-doubles this season.

[JohnMax]

how many times you gona use this gif bro give it up

http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sabu.png

[BlazerRed]

Fact. Most stacked team in history.

[DaSeba5]

Fact. Most stacked team in history.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[JohnFreeman]

Fact

[LeBron 06]

He is great!

[NumberSix]

Fact. Most stacked team in history.
You would agree that LeBron is the MVP right now, right?

[LeGOAT]

Anyone who thinks Harden is better than Wade should be perma banned for having such poor basketball knowledge

[BlazerRed]

You would agree that LeBron is the MVP right now, right?
False. Wade and Bosh more than make up for it though.. as well as the stacked bench.

[Frozen1]

The SG position is easy, beacause there are only two players to choose from, Kobe and Wade.

Since Kobe is not playing, Wade is the best SG.

[Smook A.]

Anyone who thinks Harden is better than Wade should be perma banned for having such poor basketball knowledge
Well I guess I should get perma banned then... :lol :lol

[NumberSix]

False. Wade and Bosh more than make up for it though.. as well as the stacked bench.


MVP will go to the best player on the best record out of OKC and Miami. My money is on OKC.. thus Durant will take it out (and rightfully so).
Stories are changing.

[moe94]

The SG position is easy, beacause there are only two players to choose from, Kobe and Wade.

Since Kobe is not playing, Wade is the best SG.
Wade would be the best, regardless.:biggums:

[Jacks3]

Heh. Now 19/5/5/2/60% TS while already missing 16 games is best SG worthy? Yeah, no. Wade has to get more credit and love for short bursts of great play than any player in history. Harden has easily had the better season and it's really not that close.

[Frozen1]

Heh. Now 19/5/5/2/60% TS while already missing 16 games is best SG worthy? Yeah, no. Wade has to get more credit and love for short bursts of great play than any player in history. Harden has easily had the better season and it's really not that close.

Harden is not on the level of the two SG i aforementioned.

[Dresta]

Heh. Now 19/5/5/2/60% TS while already missing 16 games is best SG worthy? Yeah, no. Wade has to get more credit and love for short bursts of great play than any player in history. Harden has easily had the better season and it's really not that close.
:roll:

Are you forgetting that Harden is a turnstile defensively?

[ArbitraryWater]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3914361/Russ-Troll.gif


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/social_assets/nba/835415503.gif

[Jacks3]

Harden is not on the level of the two SG i aforementioned.
It's 2014. Neither Bryant or Wade are anywhere near what they were.

[Cold soul]

By default only him or Harden.

[Im so nba'd out]

Anyone who thinks Harden is better than Wade should be perma banned for having such poor basketball knowledge
you would think lebron dk huggers would want wade to be rated lower so lebron would get more respect:confusedshrug:

[Boarder Patrol]

Yes. Harden might be a bit better offensively, but Wade is an elite defender too.

Wade > Harden > DeRozan > Ellis > Afflalo

Am I missing anyone?

[Boarder Patrol]

Heh. Now 19/5/5/2/60% TS while already missing 16 games is best SG worthy? Yeah, no. Wade has to get more credit and love for short bursts of great play than any player in history. Harden has easily had the better season and it's really not that close.

Are you familiar with defense? Harden cripples a perimeter D, Wade makes one awesome especially with Chalmers and is a better shot blocking presence than a lot of the league's bigs. And I don't even like the Heat.

[Smook A.]

The 2 Best Shooting Guards' Stats Tonight

Dwyane Wade: 24 points/4 assists/3 rebounds + Team Win

James Harden: 20 points/12 assists/5 rebounds + Team Win

[DirkNowitzki41]

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/41/files/2013/11/7890910.jpg

:pimp:

[Smook A.]

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/41/files/2013/11/7890910.jpg

:pimp:
4th best sg

[PsychoBe]

The 2 Best Shooting Guards' Stats Tonight

Dwyane Wade: 24 points/4 assists/3 rebounds + Team Win + defense

James Harden: 20 points/12 assists/5 rebounds + Team Win + allowed man to blow by him every possession

fixed.

there are 2 sides of the ball. and only one of those guys play both.

[JohnFreeman]

fixed.

there are 2 sides of the ball. and only one of those guys play both.
:oldlol:

[Smook A.]

fixed.

there are 2 sides of the ball. and only one of those guys play both.
He guarded Josh Smith for 75% of the game. He went 8-24. Also, Stuckey went 2-6 when Harden guarded him. F**k off. When Harden give effort, hes actually not a bad defender. Tonight he gave some good effort

[Boarder Patrol]

Wade held Oladipo to 10 points and two made field goals, Rodney f/ucking Stuckey lit Harden up for 23 points on 10-17

Getting outscored by mediocre sixth men :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Smook A.]

:oldlol:
In what form or way is that funny to you?

[PsychoBe]

He guarded Josh Smith for 75% of the game. He went 8-24. Also, Stuckey went 2-6 when Harden guarded him. F**k off. When Harden give effort, hes actually not a bad defender. Tonight he gave some good effort

josh smith always goes 8-24 and stuckey is a less than reputable offensive player.

meanwhile....

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/195qjulk0epqpgif/ku-xlarge.gif

[Smook A.]

Wade held Oladipo to 10 points and two made field goals, Rodney f/ucking Stuckey lit Harden up for 23 points on 10-17

Getting outscored by mediocre sixth men :roll: :roll: :roll:
LOL... did you watch the game you stupid ass? NO you didnt! Jordan Hamilton was guarding Stuckey. Harden was guarding Josh Smith and Singler

[JohnFreeman]

In what form or way is that funny to you?
God you turned into such a whiny bitch.

[Smook A.]

josh smith always goes 8-24 and stuckey is a less than reputable offensive player.

meanwhile....

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/195qjulk0epqpgif/ku-xlarge.gif
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2001225/kbb1_3_medium.JPG
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2001241/kbb1_4_medium.JPG

[Boarder Patrol]

LOL... did you watch the game you stupid ass? NO you didnt! Jordan Hamilton was guarding Stuckey. Harden was guarding Josh Smith and Singler

Is it or is it not true that Harden got outscored by the other teams shooting guard (Stuckey got the most minutes there tonight).

Yes or no.

[Jacks3]

Are you familiar with defense? Harden cripples a perimeter D, Wade makes one awesome especially with Chalmers and is a better shot blocking presence than a lot of the league's bigs. And I don't even like the Heat.
lol @ how insanely overrated Wade is defensively. People acting like he's some defensive anchor ala Pippen or a fully engaged LeBron. He's a good defender, but acting like he's somehow making or breaking a team defense is hilarious. The Heat have played 60+ games without over the past four seasons and seen very little defensive drop-off without him. His defensive +/- are very pedestrian. It's LeBron and Bosh who anchor that defense, not Wade. Besides, the Heat have been mediocre defensively the entire season.The fact is, 85% of his impact comes off what he can do offensively, and Harden has been better on that end. It's not even close. Like I said, 19/5/5/2 while missing every other game is nowhere near best SG worthy. The fact that we're even having this discussion is proof of how comically weak the potion has become.

[Smook A.]

God you turned into such a whiny bitch.
stfu freeman. Get a life you dumb son of a b*tch. You posted 5000 times in less than 2 months mutha fuqa.

[LeGOAT]

Harden is known universally as a fvcking bum defensively. Get over it

[Smook A.]

Is it or is it not true that Harden got outscored by the other teams shooting guard (Stuckey got the most minutes there tonight).

Yes or no.
Yes... but Harden wasnt guarding him at all. Lol

[PsychoBe]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2001225/kbb1_3_medium.JPG
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2001241/kbb1_4_medium.JPG

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kobe-Bryant-Blocks-LeBron-James-Kevin-Durant-Dunk-2013-All-Star-Game.gif

[Boarder Patrol]

Yes... but Harden wasnt guarding him at all. Lol

Provide proof of this, video/gif/stat/etc.

I am more inclined to believe Harden was guarding the other team's shooting guard considering he's a shooting guard.

[Smook A.]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kobe-Bryant-Blocks-LeBron-James-Kevin-Durant-Dunk-2013-All-Star-Game.gif
OMG LOOK AT THAT DUNK BY DURANT!

[Smook A.]

Provide proof of this, video/gif/stat/etc.

I am more inclined to believe Harden was guarding the other team's shooting guard considering he's a shooting guard.
Stuckey was playing SF today, brotha

[LeGOAT]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kobe-Bryant-Blocks-LeBron-James-Kevin-Durant-Dunk-2013-All-Star-Game.gif
Last memory of Kobe
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3692973/kobefail.gif

[JohnFreeman]

stfu freeman. Get a life you dumb son of a b*tch. You posted 5000 times in less than 2 months mutha fuqa.
jameer > smook

[PsychoBe]

more james har(d)en

http://i.imgur.com/AYmrI40.gif

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1905447/Harden_bad_defense_6.gif

[PsychoBe]

Last memory of Kobe
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3692973/kobefail.gif

great defense by another top 3 sg.

wade > derozan > haren (no d)

[LeGOAT]

more james har(d)en

http://i.imgur.com/AYmrI40.gif

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1905447/Harden_bad_defense_6.gif
Dude looks like one of those fggts at the park that thinks he's such a baller and too good to try on defense:oldlol:

[Smook A.]

more james har(d)en

http://i.imgur.com/AYmrI40.gif

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1905447/Harden_bad_defense_6.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxCUutqpkNw

[PsychoBe]

more from james haren (no d)

playoff edition:

http://i.imgur.com/imbOcmI.gif

http://i.imgur.com/XLqwcnD.gif

another one of my favorites

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/820467449.gif?1383933164

[Smook A.]

more from james haren (no d)

playoff edition:

http://i.imgur.com/imbOcmI.gif

http://i.imgur.com/XLqwcnD.gif

another one of my favorites

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/820467449.gif?1383933164
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63TDVWnZ5K8

[LosScandalous]

http://cdn2.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DWYANE-WADE-DIRTY-PLAYER.gif

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ofDBqO_cblU/UaNOn_pVxrI/AAAAAAAAHys/SVEa333lzTA/s640/Dwyane+Wade+flop+on+PAcers.gif

[Smook A.]

Look what this dirty smug, Dwyane Wade did to Rondo
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/607370/rondoelbow.gif

[Flash31]

Fact
Dwyane Wade is the Best SG in the league.



Anybody that says Harden is better should get banned from posting about basketball bc they dksabb.

Anybody that says Harden is a decent defender,no wait scratch that
anybody that says Harden is a below average defender and not one of the worst should be permabanned for having a mental capacity and function not fit to even post period.

[Natureland]

Thabo bricking in all of the bad Harden defense .gifs might be the best part. :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

The answer is Lance.

[Flash31]

Look what this dirty smug, Dwyane Wade did to Rondo
http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/607370/rondoelbow.gif


I don't think you want people to bring up
the 2012 Finals and Harden's stats just in comparison to Wade
not including his whole statlines


And here I thought Metta World Peace elbowed Harden but it's clear his stans caught the brunt of it Due to being so far on him.



Harden has 0 case for Best SG,

END

[Smook A.]

I don't think you want people to bring up
the 2012 Finals and Harden's stats just in comparison to Wade
not including his whole statlines


And here I thought Metta World Peace elbowed Harden but it's clear his stans caught the brunt of it Due to being so far on him.



Harden has 0 case for Best SG,

END
0 case? He's averaging 24/6/5/1.5 on one of the best teams in the league. Im not the only one on here who thinks Harden is the best sg. He's a great all-around player. On some nights he plays some pretty nice defense but of course there isn't any film. If he stays consistent with that defense, theres no question he's the best sg in the game

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Wade when healthy is the best.
which he is at the moment.
Heat fans can only hope he keeps it up for an entire post season this time.
2nd best is DeRozan:applause: :applause:

[Smook A.]

Wade when healthy is the best.
which he is at the moment.
Heat fans can only hope he keeps it up for an entire post season this time.
2nd best is DeRozan:applause: :applause:
You know what... im not even gonna waste my time arguing with you

[Cold soul]

Last memory of Kobe
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3692973/kobefail.gif

You sound butthurt. What a surprise another Lebron stan who is insecure about their idol.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

You know what... im not even gonna waste my time arguing with you
because it isnt arguable:applause: :applause:

[Flash31]

0 case? He's averaging 24/6/5/1.5 on one of the best teams in the league. Im not the only one on here who thinks Harden is the best sg. He's a GREAT ALL-AROUND player. ON SOME NIGHTS HE PLAYS SOME PRETTY NICE DEFENSE BUT OF COURSE THERE ISNT ANY FILM. If he stays consistent with that defense, theres No QUESTION he's the BEST SG in the game



ok seriously,WTF?
Really?

Hold up let me quote the most WTF again?


"On some nights he plays some pretty NICE DEFENSE"
"But of course there ISNT ANY film."


Um,you think Hardens good,fine
one of best sg--fine

but plays Nice Defense--/bullsht
You've gone too far.

Old Current Steve nash looks like Prime Payton,Stockton,Pippen compared to Harden.

[ABfor3]

ok seriously,WTF?
Really?

Hold up let me quote the most WTF again?


"On some nights he plays some pretty NICE DEFENSE"
"But of course there ISNT ANY film."


Um,you think Hardens good,fine
one of best sg--fine

but plays Nice Defense--/bullsht
You've gone too far.

Old Current Steve nash looks like Prime Payton,Stockton,Pippen compared to Harden.
You're way too far up Wades ass, I shouldn't be suprised by your username..Harden is the best SG in the league right now, Smook nor myself are the only ones who thinks so, you mad because your fave player took the easy way out and is on the decline with knees made of glass? If anybody still has an argument over Harden, it's Kobe..but we'll just have to see how he comes back.

[Dresta]

It's basically only you two idiots and that even bigger idiot Jacks3 who think Harden has a case though. People who actually know a bit about basketball, and can look beyond the raw numbers, can pretty much all see that Wade is the superior basketball player.

[Hollowman]

Wasn't there a thread a few weeks ago about how he's "done", "finished", then would be retiring soon :oldlol:

[Quickening]

Wade when healthy has been the best SG since 08 at least... he has just been unlucky with injuries at times, and isn't a media darling like Kobe.

[All Net]

People would still take healthly playoff Wade over any other SG when it matters in a playoff series. What Miami have done with him has been smart.

[ILLsmak]

http://i.imgur.com/NbDxMRE.png

lol. Funny shit but there's no way that dude is better than Wade. The thing about it is that there are guys in the NBA that could play the 2 that would be better than Wade, tho. Like Westbrook or Curry.

For whatever reason, though, most people who are really good 2s are playing PG... there aren't any just pure scoring wtf players. And the guys who are a little bigger wings are all SFs. It's funny how that fluctuates... awhile ago it was SF was the ass position on the wing.

-Smak

[jrong]

I'll raise you one. He's also the the third best player in the league.

You can make an argument for Paul, but he can't physically impact the game the same way.

As many times this year as I've wanted to take Wade out back and shoot him to put him out of his misery and as much as I realize this may be just another tease before he pulls up lame again, his skills have not diminished one iota. If anything, they've actually improved.

The most exciting thing is how he looks off the bounce and the return of moves that I never thought I'd see again: the fake-reverse pivot J, the pull-up bankshot, making crossovers and other moves as secondary maneuvers when he's already mid-move on his initial drive (Wade's still the only player I've seen in this era who can makes moves within moves at full speed).

It's just frustrating that a player with so much game left is content not to lead a team anymore and therefore create a perception that he's behind players who are far inferior. I mean if they win again this year (and the Pacers are the only team with a chance with Wade at this level), he'll have four championships, but he'll have only been driving for one and riding shotgun for the other three. At some point, doesn't he want to challenge himself to see if he can take the wheel again full-time in his last few elite years?

(You have to admire the genius of LeBron James in this respect-- one of his major steps toward NBA dominance was to take his greatest Eastern Conference rival and turn him into his sidekick.)

[nashwade]

Wade when healthy has been the best SG since 08 at least... he has just been unlucky with injuries at times, and isn't a media darling like Kobe.

he had his moments during 2006 Finals and 2008 Olympics

[Frozen1]

Swap Wade and Harden.

Do the Heat get better?
Do the Rockets get better?

[HiphopRelated]

Swap Wade and Harden.

Do the Heat get better?
Do the Rockets get better?
I would take Rockets as a serious contender with Wade...

[smoovegittar]

:oldlol:
Stories are changing.

[chazzy]

I think people are ignoring Wade's health too much and overrating his 2014 defensive impact in this comparison. Hasn't he missed like 16 games already? It's a luxury to be able to take games off almost every other week for rest. For that reason along with Hardens superior numbers, I'd say Harden deserves to be ranked higher so far.

[Legends66NBA7]

Wade's defense getting a little overrated.

On defense, majority of that are run against them are in Spot up shooting and P&R ball handler. Harden, according to the numbers, are better in both.

Overall, Harden is allowing lower fg% and 3pt%.


Top 3 SG's, IMO, in this season

James Harden
Dwyane Wade
DeMar DeRozan


Playoffs will separate this. To me, whoever plays the best will be ranked above by the majority of ISH. It's usually just "prisoner of the moment" reactions to begin with. Plus, I think Wade missing games doesn't help his chances of being consistently at the top 1 anymore at the SG position, let alone claims of him being a top 3 player.

[jrong]

Wade's defense getting a little overrated.

On defense, majority of that are run against them are in Spot up shooting and P&R ball handler. Harden, according to the numbers, are better in both.

Overall, Harden is allowing lower fg% and 3pt%.


Top 3 SG's, IMO, in this season

James Harden
Dwyane Wade
DeMar DeRozan


Playoffs will separate this. To me, whoever plays the best will be ranked above by the majority of ISH. It's usually just "prisoner of the moment" reactions to begin with. Plus, I think Wade missing games doesn't help his chances of being consistently at the top 1 anymore at the SG position, let alone claims of him being a top 3 player.

But, the point is that when Wade is on the floor, he is the third best player in the NBA. Paul is his only rival; other than that he has it going away.

I'm not sure he even deserves to be on any All-NBA team with all the games he missed, but the fact remains that Wade's peak level of play even at 32 is below only LeBron and KD.

He's not shooting 56% by hitting open layups because James is being double-teamed. He's making shots and moves with such an incredibly high level of difficulty-- run stopping, timeout inducing, soul crushing shots.

He's dominating in a reduced role, taking 14 shots a game. He's a sub-alpha. It's frustrating and amazing.

[DMAVS41]

But, the point is that when Wade is on the floor, he is the third best player in the NBA. Paul is his only rival; other than that he has it going away.

I'm not sure he even deserves to be on any All-NBA team with all the games he missed, but the fact remains that Wade's peak level of play even at 32 is below only LeBron and KD.

He's not shooting 56% by hitting open layups because James is being double-teamed. He's making shots and moves with such an incredibly high level of difficulty-- run stopping, timeout inducing, soul crushing shots.

He's dominating in a reduced role, taking 14 shots a game. He's a sub-alpha. It's frustrating and amazing.

Wade is not the 3rd best player...

[Fire Colangelo]

The Miami Heat has such great help defense that it allows Wade to roam around and gamble for steals. Spolstra emphasizes perimeter defense, McHale does not.


Harden's beard is disgusting, dude needs to shave that shit.

[EnoughSaid]

Wade is not the 3rd best player...

A healthy Dwyane Wade playing good minutes and taking his shots? Only players better are KD and LeBroj.

[TheNaturalWR]

Wade is not the 3rd best player...

Yeah I love me some Wade, but if he's the 3rd best player, the league is completely shit. The last time Wade was top 3 was 2011 and he was 50x the player he is today.

[ImKobe]

Lebron has the best SG in the game, but the Heat ain't stacked.

Wade & Bosh are both having decent seasons, Bosh is shooting over 37% from 3 with over 2 attempts per game and has a TS% of 61, Wade is averaging 19 5 5 on 56% shooting and 60%TS with a 22 PER, Bosh has a PER of 20.

Stats show that Wade & Bosh leap RWB's and Ibaka's production by a solid margin when taking efficiency into account and KD is averaging better numbers with a better record, yet Bran somehow is the clear cut MVP candidate.

[GrapeApe]

Yeah I love me some Wade, but if he's the 3rd best player, the league is completely shit. The last time Wade was top 3 was 2011 and he was 50x the player he is today.

Wade may very well und up at 20ppg on 55%fg and I don't think any guard in history has ever done that. As it stands he's at 19ppg on 56%fg and no guard has ever done that. 3rd best player is a stretch, but he's playing at a very high level right now.

[ImKobe]

Wade may very well und up at 20ppg on 55%fg and I don't think any guard in history has ever done that. As it stands he's at 19ppg on 56%fg and no guard has ever done that. 3rd best player is a stretch, but he's playing at a very high level right now.

The efficiency is up because he's playing second fiddle now and takes nearly 4 shots less per game than his career average. He plays a different role and has worked on his jumper more. Thrives off wide open mid-range jumpers, which used to be more of a weakness in his game, because he was never that good of a jump shooter. Currently 46% on jump shots :bowdown:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Just a few weeks ago, people were saying he's done :facepalm

Everyone know he's still one of the best players but it's his health that's been hindering him these past 2-3 seasons. He has been making his case as the best SG these past few weeks but top 3 or 5 player is a stretch.

[GrapeApe]

The efficiency is up because he's playing second fiddle now and takes nearly 4 shots less per game than his career average. He plays a different role and has worked on his jumper more. Thrives off wide open mid-range jumpers, which used to be more of a weakness in his game, because he was never that good of a jump shooter. Currently 46% on jump shots :bowdown:

Agree 100%, but it's more than just his jumpshooting. He's the best post guard in the league and has made himself into an elite off-ball player, something many felt he couldn't do.

[DMAVS41]

A healthy Dwyane Wade playing good minutes and taking his shots? Only players better are KD and LeBroj.

I don't know what that means and I still don't even think that is true.

Dirk is currently a better player than Wade this year. So are at least 10 to 15 other players...

[Papaya Petee]

I don't know what that means and I still don't even think that is true.

Dirk is currently a better player than Wade this year. So are at least 10 to 15 other players...
No he's not. We can debate this for hours like in the last thread and you still won't convince me. Dirk is averaging 21\6\3 on 49.3% from the field as a first option on a worse team while playing worse defense than Wade.

Wades taking 14 shots a game and averaging 19\5\5 on 56% from the field while playing better defense. If Wade was the first option on the Heat he would be around 24\6\5 on 48-50% right now and would probably be regarded as a top 5 player in the league.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

No he's not. We can debate this for hours like in the last thread and you still won't convince me. Dirk is averaging 21\6\3 on 49.3% from the field as a first option on a worse team while playing worse defense than Wade.

Wades taking 14 shots a game and averaging 19\5\5 on 56% from the field while playing better defense. If Wade was the first option on the Heat he would be around 24\6\5 on 48-50% right now and would probably be regarded as a top 5 player in the league.
IF Wade was the first option on the Heat he would be in a wheelchair right now:coleman:

[DMAVS41]

No he's not. We can debate this for hours like in the last thread and you still won't convince me. Dirk is averaging 21\6\3 on 49.3% from the field as a first option on a worse team while playing worse defense than Wade.

Wades taking 14 shots a game and averaging 19\5\5 on 56% from the field while playing better defense. If Wade was the first option on the Heat he would be around 24\6\5 on 48-50% right now and would probably be regarded as a top 5 player in the league.


Uhhhh...no. If the Heat just didn't have Lebron...Wade would still have a better supporting cast than the Mavs and honestly with I'm not even sure they'd have as good a record as the Mavs.

Certainly not with Wade missing so many games...

Also, Dirk is at 22/6/3 60% TS

If Wade was the best guy on a team and didn't have the luxury of Lebron...he'd be at 24/6/5 55% TS or something.

And I'd still take Dirk given the health of Wade.

But honestly I don't care to debate Wade vs Dirk in a hypothetical. Dirk has clearly been the better player so far this year.

What I do know...is that Wade is not the ****ing 3rd best player in the NBA right now.

[hahaitme]

I pick this guy:

http://i.imgur.com/a679Qrp.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1168264/d-wade-over-varejao-o.gif

[avonbarksdale]

harden, wade, derozan


how you gonna say wade is better than harden

[Inferno]

No he's not. We can debate this for hours like in the last thread and you still won't convince me. Dirk is averaging 21\6\3 on 49.3% from the field as a first option on a worse team while playing worse defense than Wade.

Wades taking 14 shots a game and averaging 19\5\5 on 56% from the field while playing better defense. If Wade was the first option on the Heat he would be around 24\6\5 on 48-50% right now and would probably be regarded as a top 5 player in the league.

If Dirk got to rest every other game and also played with LeBron, he'd be putting up better stats too.

[Milbuck]

how you gonna say wade is better than harden
Dwyane Wade is better than James Harden. Just like that.

[Smook A.]

Dwyane Wade is better than James Harden. Just like that.
No he isn't. Just like that.

[NumberSix]

Dirk is currently a better player than Wade this year.
:biggums:

[Rocketswin2013]

https://twitter.com/JasonCFriedman/statuses/439976123233873922
So get out of here with that "he doesn't play defense" crap. And note, he's getting .5 blocks per game this year. Wade is only at .6

[Marlo_Stanfield]

No he isn't. Just like that.
20/5 on 56% with a few steals/blocks and GREAT defense is better than anything hogden ever did.

[Dresta]

Mavs 35-24 with Dirk.

Heat 33-8 with Wade.

Easy to see who is having a more meaningful impact on the court.

[Dresta]

https://twitter.com/JasonCFriedman/statuses/439976123233873922
So get out of here with that "he doesn't play defense" crap. And note, he's getting .5 blocks per game this year. Wade is only at .6
Yeh, he doesn't: guys like Steve Blake can breeze past Harden like the guy's stuck in treacle.

Harden in Miami's defensive scheme would be an absolute disaster, whereas Wade fits perfectly because of his great anticipation, reflexes and reading of the game.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Yeh, he doesn't: guys like Steve Blake can breeze past Harden like the guy's stuck in treacle.

Harden in Miami's defensive scheme would be an absolute disaster, whereas Wade fits perfectly because of his great anticipation, reflexes and reading of the game.
harden is a joke and has zero value for a basketball team. for every point he scores he gives up at least the same amount on defense. at least.
his assists are nothing good either because half of them come from bailout passes to teammates with 2 seconds left who then HAVE to shoot. of course they make some.
also 3,8 TO per game:facepalm :facepalm
only thing hes useful for is playing in the last 2-3 minutes when you desperately need a bucket or too.

[PsychoBe]

more from james haren (no d)

playoff edition:

http://i.imgur.com/imbOcmI.gif

http://i.imgur.com/XLqwcnD.gif

another one of my favorites

http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/820467449.gif?1383933164

wade's "competition."


more from wade's "competition"


josh smith always goes 8-24 and stuckey is a less than reputable offensive player.

meanwhile....

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/195qjulk0epqpgif/ku-xlarge.gif

[Rocketswin2013]

harden is a joke and has zero value for a basketball team. for every point he scores he gives up at least the same amount on defense. at least.
his assists are nothing good either because half of them come from bailout passes to teammates with 2 seconds left who then HAVE to shoot. of course they make some.
also 3,8 TO per game:facepalm :facepalm
only thing hes useful for is playing in the last 2-3 minutes when you desperately need a bucket or too.

1. Learn how to type peon

2. I'm not even about refute what you just said because I feel bad for you that you would even believe this.

[Rocketswin2013]

wade's "competition."


more from wade's "competition"

Those are old gifs. His defense has been pretty good since New year's.

[Bcogswell]

Wade (when healthy), Harden, DeRozan.

[Papaya Petee]

Uhhhh...no. If the Heat just didn't have Lebron...Wade would still have a better supporting cast than the Mavs and honestly with I'm not even sure they'd have as good a record as the Mavs.

Certainly not with Wade missing so many games...

Also, Dirk is at 22/6/3 60% TS

If Wade was the best guy on a team and didn't have the luxury of Lebron...he'd be at 24/6/5 55% TS or something.

And I'd still take Dirk given the health of Wade.

But honestly I don't care to debate Wade vs Dirk in a hypothetical. Dirk has clearly been the better player so far this year.

What I do know...is that Wade is not the ****ing 3rd best player in the NBA right now.
Heat with Wade 33-8
Mavs with Dirk 35-24

Wade is averaging 19\5\5 on 56% from the field on good defense 2nd option
Dirk is averaging 22\6\3 n 49% from he field on almost zero defense 1st option

Aside from the fact that Wade gets rested by Spoelstra to prepare for the playoffs and played less games, Dirk has no argument.

[tpols]

Heat with Wade 33-8
Mavs with Dirk 35-24

Wade is averaging 19\5\5 on 56% from the field on good defense 2nd option
Dirk is averaging 22\6\3 n 49% from he field on almost zero defense 1st option

Aside from the fact that Wade gets rested by Spoelstra to prepare for the playoffs and played less games, Dirk has no argument.

Wade's had Lebron for 40 out of 41 of those games so who cares? Its completely meaningless..


Playing less games will also allow numbers to stay high.. the guy takes mad breaks between games recouping. If he had to dog it out like Dirk has wed see a breakdown similar to last years playoffs.

[Legends66NBA7]

I don't get using the team stat, when Wade has better teammates around him than Nowitzki does.

Also, Nowitzki hasn't played "no defense". Allowing just over 37.3% from the field and over 33.6%3pt overall from his opposition.

[DMAVS41]

Heat with Wade 33-8
Mavs with Dirk 35-24

Wade is averaging 19\5\5 on 56% from the field on good defense 2nd option
Dirk is averaging 22\6\3 n 49% from he field on almost zero defense 1st option

Aside from the fact that Wade gets rested by Spoelstra to prepare for the playoffs and played less games, Dirk has no argument.

Really? No argument?

22/6/3 60% TS (near 50/40/90 season) 24.2 PER 120 ortg 108 drtg .206 ws/48

19/5/5 60% TS 22.3 PER 111 ortg 105 drtg .160 ws/48

Then factor in level of help. Playing in the weakest conference ever vs a really deep and tough West.

Wade getting to rest for 18 more games already this season as well.

Yep...Dirk has no argument...:facepalm


And ask around. I prop Wade all the time. In the games he's played so far this season he's played well, but you can't rest this much...and play on such a loaded team in a weak conference with limited true responsibilities...and trump what Dirk has done so far. Just doesn't work.

[Smook A.]

Harden is the best

[aj1987]

Harden is the best
:roll:

[Mass Debator]

Wade is the best.

[Smook A.]

Y'all funny lol. Keep those "jokes" coming

[red1]

fact

[moe94]

Harden is booty.

[red1]

Harden is booty.
when they gonna activate rep so I can spam you with greens

[Smook A.]

Harden is booty.
No he isn't

[Smook A.]

fact
Harden played very nice tonight down the stretch

[aj1987]

Harden played very nice tonight down the stretch
So did Wade. Harden almost threw away the game.

[Smook A.]

So did Wade. Harden almost threw away the game.
He almost had the backcourt violation. He HAD to throw the ball to someone

[Papaya Petee]

Y'all funny lol. Keep those "jokes" coming

:roll: It's funny that a majority of the people on this board think a 32 year old Grandpa Wade with bad knees is better than a 24 year old Harden. More efficient, 3 times the defender, and much more proven. They were neck in neck tonight in Hardens home. I would even say Wade played better.

Imagine a 24 year old Wade vs a 24 year old Harden :roll: He would eat Harden alive to the point where he would run off the court crying.

[Smook A.]

:roll: It's funny that a majority of the people on this board think a 32 year old Grandpa Wade with bad knees is better than a 24 year old Harden. More efficient, 3 times the defender, and much more proven. They were neck in neck tonight in Hardens home. I would even say Wade played better.

Imagine a 24 year old Wade vs a 24 year old Harden :roll: He would eat Harden alive to the point where he would run off the court crying.
Wade would play very well but I don't think Harden would and run off the court crying. lol

[JohnFreeman]

:roll: It's funny that a majority of the people on this board think a 32 year old Grandpa Wade with bad knees is better than a 24 year old Harden. More efficient, 3 times the defender, and much more proven. They were neck in neck tonight in Hardens home. I would even say Wade played better.

Imagine a 24 year old Wade vs a 24 year old Harden :roll: He would eat Harden alive to the point where he would run off the court crying.
https://warosu.org/data/ic/img/0016/66/1393336421176.gif

[Papaya Petee]

Wade would play very well but I don't think Harden would and run off the court crying. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LBxmuNJk8o he was doing this to a prime Kobe at that age. Now imagine if that was Harden :roll:

[HiphopRelated]

Harden was relieved every time Ray was on him lol

[aj1987]

He almost had the backcourt violation. He HAD to throw the ball to someone
The difference is that Wade didn't turn the ball over and Harden DID. His play almost cost his team the game.

[Smook A.]

Both are great SGs, imo. Wade gets respect and so should Harden, even though he gets hated more.

[Smook A.]

The difference is that Wade didn't turn the ball over and Harden DID. His play almost cost his team the game.
Well besides that, Harden also had 11 assists tonight. He had a couple turnovers, but he made it up by passing the ball well

[aj1987]

Well besides that, Harden also had 11 assists tonight. He had a couple turnovers, but he made it up by passing the ball well
Wade had 6 and he had more steals, more points and fewer turnovers.

[Smook A.]

Wade had 6 and he had more steals, more points and fewer turnovers.
Doesn't matter because at the end of the day Rockets won

[aj1987]

Doesn't matter because at the end of the day Rockets won
What does that have to do with Wade being a better player than Haren?

[ABfor3]

Wade had 6 and he had more steals, more points and fewer turnovers.
Who won the game though? Oh yea. The Rockets. If Wade is so superior to harden then I'm sure he would have won them the game especially since it was just a 3 point loss and you have LeBRon fckin James as a teammate and Chris bosh. Peak Wade was obviously better than harden but you're having a hard time letting go of the past if you think he's better now with those grandpa legs

[Smook A.]

What does that have to do with Wade being a better player than Haren?
Harden* :cheers:

[aj1987]

Who won the game though? Oh yea. The Rockets. If Wade is so superior to harden then I'm sure he would have won them the game especially since it was just a 3 point loss and you have LeBRon fckin James as a teammate and Chris bosh. Peak Wade was obviously better than harden but you're having a hard time letting go of the past if you think he's better now with those grandpa legs
Bosh played like shit. LeBron was practically invisible. Wade was the only one who was actually doing work this game, along with Beasley. When LeBron was on the bench in the 4th, the Heat almost grabbed the lead with Wade. Why you bringing up prime Wade though? '12 Wade would annihilate current Harden.

Did you happen to see Harden on the defensive end today? I'll admit that even Wade got beat by Harden a couple of times, but Harden though...:facepalm

[ABfor3]

Bosh played like shit. LeBron was practically invisible. Wade was the only one who was actually doing work this game, along with Beasley. When LeBron was on the bench in the 4th, the Heat almost grabbed the lead with Wade. Why you bringing up prime Wade though? '12 Wade would annihilate current Harden.

Did you happen to see Harden on the defensive end today? I'll admit that even Wade got beat by Harden a couple of times, but Harden though...:facepalm
Because you living in a fantasy land like Wade is still healthy, he's not. The dude can't even play back to back games anymore. Yes I did watch the game, I never said harden was a good defender, everybody knows he needs to work on it, but he's pretty decent some games. Offensively he smashes Wade, better jumper and better passer.. And he can get to the line better than Wade now that his legs have given up on him

[aj1987]

Because you living in a fantasy land like Wade is still healthy, he's not. The dude can't even play back to back games anymore. Yes I did watch the game, I never said harden was a good defender, everybody knows he needs to work on it, but he's pretty decent some games. Offensively he smashes Wade, better jumper and better passer.. And he can get to the line better than Wade now that his legs have given up on him
Wut? LOL! Harden is averaging only 5 points more, while taking 2 more shots and around 5 FT's MORE than Wade. Also, Wade is playing 5 fewer minutes that Harden. Current Wade > Current Harden.

Harden does NOT have a better jumper than Wade. Have you seen Wade's jumper this season? The only place from where Harden is better than Wade is the 3pt land. Wade is a better mid-range player, post-player, and is also a better finisher. Not even close.

Wade's short chart thus far:
http://i.imgur.com/rtR6Wz4.png

Harden's shot chart thus far:
http://i.imgur.com/iunKcQi.png



http://i.imgur.com/imbOcmI.gif
http://i.imgur.com/XLqwcnD.gif
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/195qjulk0epqpgif/ku-xlarge.gif

[fpliii]

Fact or fiction?
When he plays, he definitely is.

[mehyaM24]

Wut? LOL! Harden is averaging only 5 points more, while taking 2 more shots and around 5 FT's MORE than Wade. Also, Wade is playing 5 fewer minutes that Harden. Current Wade > Current Harden.

averaging 5 more points is significant, you dumb ****.

not harden's fault, wade is riding bron for rings.


Harden does NOT have a better jumper than Wade. Have you seen Wade's jumper this season? The only place from where Harden is better than Wade is the 3pt land. Wade is a better mid-range player, post-player, and is also a better finisher. Not even close.

better ft shooter and adjusted for volume, better 3pt shooter.

dont cry. dry your eyes. wade is done. bitch.

[ronnymac]

averaging 5 more points is significant, you dumb ****.

not harden's fault, wade is riding bron for rings.



better ft shooter and adjusted for volume, better 3pt shooter.

dont cry. dry your eyes. wade is done. bitch.
Harden pretty much owned the Heat in the last few minutes including Wade. Anyone with two eyes can see Harden>>>>>current wade.

[Smook A.]

Harden pretty much owned the Heat in the last few minutes including Wade. Anyone with two eyes can see Harden>>>>>current wade.
:applause:

[aj1987]

averaging 5 more points is significant, you dumb ****.

not harden's fault, wade is riding bron for rings.
If your retarded little brain could actually comprehend stuff, you would actually know that Haren needs 5 FT's and 2 more FG's to get those points, while playing 5 minutes more.



better ft shooter and adjusted for volume, better 3pt shooter.

dont cry. dry your eyes. wade is done. bitch.
Who gives a shit? With Haren, it's drive and flop or jack up a 3. That's why he gets absolutely destroyed in the Playoffs. No mid-range game. Can't finish at an elite level. No post game. Most importantly, he can't defend for shit.

Wade >>>>>> Your soul and your boy Haren. Bitch.

Don't kill yourself when Haren gets knocked out in the first round again.

[Smook A.]

If your retarded little brain could actually comprehend stuff, you would actually know that Haren needs 5 FT's and 2 more FG's to get those points, while playing 5 minutes more.



Who gives a shit? With Haren, it's drive and flop or jack up a 3. That's why he gets absolutely destroyed in the Playoffs. No mid-range game. Can't finish at an elite level. No post game. Most importantly, he can't defend for shit.

Wade >>>>>> Your soul and your boy Haren. Bitch.

Don't kill yourself when Haren gets knocked out in the first round again.
Nigguh who tf is Haren?

Also, you sound mad. Go to CVS Pharmacy or Walgreens and ask the kind lady for some Chill Pills

[mehyaM24]

If your retarded little brain could actually comprehend stuff, you would actually know that Haren needs 5 FT's and 2 more FG's to get those points, while playing 5 minutes more.

5 more points >>> wade who cant get off 2 more FGs because he is busy carrying lebron's bags.



Wade >>>>>> Your soul and your boy Haren. Bitch.

harden made wade his bitch tonight, just like i make you mine. ****ing ******


Don't kill yourself when Haren gets knocked out in the first round again.

how mad are you gonna be when harden makes first team over dwyane "im finished" wade? LOL ******

[aj1987]

Nigguh who tf is Haren?

Also, you sound mad. Go to CVS Pharmacy or Walgreens and ask the kind lady for some Chill Pills
You'll be the one needing "Chill Pills" once Haren gets locked out in the first round AGAIN. :oldlol:


5 more points >>> wade who cant get off 2 more FGs because he is busy carrying lebron's bags.


harden made wade his bitch tonight, just like i make you mine. ****ing ******

how mad are you gonna be when harden makes first team over dwyane "im finished" wade? LOL ******.
Do you actually think I give a **** about First Teams? How mad are YOU gonna be when Wade wins his 4th?


http://i.imgur.com/c2yL1.png

[mehyaM24]

You'll be the one needing "Chill Pills" once Haren gets locked out in the first round AGAIN. :oldlol:


Do you actually think I give a **** about First Teams? How mad are YOU gonna be when Wade wins his 4th?

not mad, because lebron will be carrying him. like he always does. :rockon:

dat backfire
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/vfuJS0SBSac/hqdefault.jpg

[Smook A.]

If anyone needs proof that Miami Heat fans are the most retarded fan base go check out all posts by aj1987.

[aj1987]

not mad, because lebron will be carrying him. like he always does. :rockon:

dat backfire
Like Dwight carrying Harden, right? I'm done with your retarded ass. Unless you can actually post something about basketball.


If anyone needs proof that Miami Heat fans are the most retarded fan base go check out all posts by aj1987.

This bitch boy right here. :oldlol:
Wade has a better post game; but but Haren scores more points.
Wade is a better finisher; but but Haren scores more points.
Wade has a better mid range game; but but Haren scores more points.
Wade is a better defender; but but Haren scores more points.
Wade is playing fewer minutes and taking fewer shots than Harden; but but Haren scores more points.

Try to make ONE sensible argument other than that Harden averages more points than Wade.


Is that all you retards have?

[chazzy]

Harden scores more and is also more efficient, and generates more of his buckets himself. His ability to stay on the court and not take every 4th game off like Wade has is the reason why he deserves to be ranked higher this regular season.

Now that doesn't necessarily mean you would take him over a healthy Wade in a series, but Wade doesn't deserve that benefit of the doubt anymore after dealing with injuries his past two playoff runs - despite taking games off to rest. He sat out 9 of the last 14 games going into the playoffs last season and 9 of the last 15 the year before. It's no longer one of those "he's being rested, wait for vintage Wade in the playoffs :pimp: " guaranteed situations anymore.

[GrapeApe]

The only thing tonight's game proved was what we already knew, that Wade and Harden are the best two SG's in the league. Props to Harden and his team for getting the win.

[Straight_Ballin]

The only thing tonight's game proved was what we already knew, that Wade and Harden are the best two SG's in the league. Props to Harden and his team for getting the win.

And of the 2 best, Harden is clearly better than Wade's old ass.

[miggyme1]

yea wade isnt the best sg anymore..and scoring has nothing to do with it...harden has a better deep ball and mid range....at this stage he also has a better driving game. he is quicker and more explosive. u people gotta open your eyes..wade had a good run....he looked like the second comin of michael jordan in the 06 finals and continued his path of greatness all the way up until ill say the 2012 season but now he just isnt the same.

[Doranku]

yea wade isnt the best sg anymore..and scoring has nothing to do with it...harden has a better deep ball and mid range....at this stage he also has a better driving game. he is quicker and more explosive. u people gotta open your eyes..wade had a good run....he looked like the second comin of michael jordan in the 06 finals and continued his path of greatness all the way up until ill say the 2012 season but now he just isnt the same.
:biggums:

Harden literally has no mid range game whatsoever.

[bballbball]

:biggums:

Harden literally has no mid range game whatsoever.

He hit several mid range jumpers tonight, are you blind?

[Milbuck]

Harden's midrange game isn't pitiful, but it isn't that good either. He takes 12% of his FGs from midrange, and is shooting around 39% from there. Not the worst numbers, but it's not even close to Wade. Wade shoots 26% of his FGs from midrange and is knocking down around 43% of them. Substantially better.