Joakim Noah is the best center in the league

[chairman]

He can do it all. It's crazy how much he can do. Noah>Dwight I've made it official. :bowdown: Name one center better then him!

[navy]

Best all around. Sure.

[MrC1991]

I'd take Noah over Dwight easily.

[SHABBA]

Probably the best two way C, yeah.

[sportjames23]

Durant and Lebron lookin' over their shoulders. Joakim is comin' for that MVP.

[Mr Exlax]

I'd take Dwight. Noah is a very very very very close second though.

[chairman]

I'd take Dwight. Noah is a very very very very close second though.
Dwight has is not motivated. I will take the motivated player every day over Dwight.

[imdaman99]

Why? Because he's shitting on a crappy team? :roll:

[chairman]

Why? Because he's shitting on a crappy team? :roll:
Knicks aren't a crappy team. They're just a team and a city full of losers. The most talented unmotivated team I've seen this season. They have no excuses.

[secund2nun]

Dwight is better, but Noah is one of the best centers and players in the league.

[ImKobe]

Why? Because he's shitting on a crappy team? :roll:

Because he's anchoring a top 2 defense & is putting up 12 & 12 a game with nearly 5 assists. 32 - 26 record with Rose re-injuring himself at the beginning of the season & Deng being traded about a month ago. Deserves the hype.

[QuebecBaller]

Best all around. Sure.

This

But not good enough to build around him

[1pixelarmy]

Noah is improving stats every year, let's see what can he achieve.
Right now I can't see any dominant center in the league.

[imdaman99]

Because he's anchoring a top 2 defense & is putting up 12 & 12 a game with nearly 5 assists. 32 - 26 record with Rose re-injuring himself at the beginning of the season & Deng being traded about a month ago. Deserves the hype.
Look I hate Dwight too for being a beta btch, but he could anchor a great defensive team as well.

Noah is likely #2 or 3 since Marc Gasol fell off

[SilkkTheShocker]

Noah>>>>Durant

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

if rose gets injured again next season, kendall marshall for noah. book it.

[BuffaloBill]

Why? Because he's shitting on a crappy team? :roll:


sleeping on the bulls. see how they crept up on the raptors? they have the same record now. stick stickity taking the east by storm.

[chairman]

Noah>>>>Durant
It's settled :bowdown:

[Choke]

Wow, 12 assists? This dude is amazing.

[secund2nun]

Noah is a poor man's version of prime KG...and that's a big complement.

[moe94]

Noah is a poor man's version of prime KG...and that's a big complement.

Yeah, those two would make a great duo.

[(e)]

IMO Noah has been the best center this season. His stats are impressive, especially his assists. But he does so much more that doesn't show up on a piece of paper.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Noah/LeBron would be teh best pick n roll in the league. Too bad they hate each other

[Trollsmasher]

Noah>>>>Durant
Would definitely take Noah first on my team:applause:

[Genaro]

Marc is back to his normal self lately, I would take him over Noah and maybe Cousins as well.

[(e)]

Marc is back to his normal self lately, I would take him over Noah and maybe Cousins as well.
You'd take Cousins over Noah? Hahahahhahaha

[chairman]

Marc is back to his normal self lately, I would take him over Noah and maybe Cousins as well.
Lol Marc gasol.

[LAZERUSS]

I like Noah, but let's get real here. He would be a second rate center in any other era.

[(e)]

I like Noah, but let's get real here. He would be a second rate center in any other era.
Not like he doesn't have the foot speed and skills to be a 4...

He's a very unique player. His motor, rebounding, and passing skills would translate to any era.

[LAZERUSS]

Not like he doesn't have the foot speed and skills to be a 4...

He's a very unique player. His motor, rebounding, and passing skills would translate to any era.

I bet you have never heard or read of Tom Boerwinkle.

He was also a Bulls center, and still holds team records. He was a true 7-0 and at his peak, about 280.

In his best season in Chicago, he averaged 29 mpg, scored 10.8 ppg, grabbed 13.8 rpg, handed out 4.8 apg, shot .485 from the field, and .724 from the line.

Which compares well with this year's Noah...

34 mpg, 12.0 ppg, 11.5 rpg, 4.6 apg, .476 , and .724.

And yet, Boerwinkle was, at best, a second tier center in the 70's.

[sportjames23]

I like Noah, but let's get real here. He would be a second rate center in any other era.


Every center in the League today would be second rate in any other era, dude. :lol

[Jameerthefear]

I like Noah, but let's get real here. He would be a second rate center in any other era.
He would be the best player ever in the 60's.

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

He can do it all. It's crazy how much he can do. Noah>Dwight I've made it official. :bowdown: Name one center better then him!

I've always been a fan of Noah and I would def take him over Dwight.

[secund2nun]

He would be the best player ever in the 60's.

Can you imagine one of those 60's era financial consultants posing as a NBA player trying to guard Noah? :lol

[LAZERUSS]

He would be the best player ever in the 60's.

I can't believe that even you would believe that nonsense. In the mid-60's, and in 10 team leagues, he would be getting crushed by the likes of Reed, Bellamy, Russell, Thurmond, and Wilt...all of which he would face 9 times a year, and then have to battle decent centers like Beaty, Dierking, Embry, and Imhoff.

And in the early 70's, in 17 team leagues, he would going up against Bob Rule (go ahead and look up his career numbers), the afore-mentioned 7-0 280 Boerwinkle, Bellamy, Reed, Thurmond, Lanier, Hayes, Cowens, Unseld, McAdoo, Kareem, and Wilt. Throw in the 7-2 275 Gilmore, as well. Hell, you can add Jerry Lucas, who was Kevin Love long before Love was. Can you imagine Noah having to guard a center who could shoot from 25 ft?

[LAZERUSS]

I'll let our resident expert, CavsFTW, give us the actual heights, but I see that DraftExpress had Noah listed at 7-0 with shoes, and 6-10.5 without.

I wonder where that would place him in the NBA in the 72-73 season list of NBA centers, as well as Gilmore in the ABA?

[Chicago Brawls]

He's the best point guard too.

[Twiens]

Literally the perfect role player

[Denitron]

Noah>>>>Durant

:applause:


He's the best point guard too.

:applause:

[LAZERUSS]

Just took a quick look...

The 6-10 235 lb. Sam Lacey was putting up close to Noah's numbers in the early 70's (although only 2.4 apg)...

and he would have been well down the list of the top centers in the league at that time...

[moe94]

Why does it bother you so much that Noah is a good player, LAZ?

[LAZERUSS]

Why does it bother you so much that Noah is a good player, LAZ?

It doesn't bother me at all. It just speaks volumes about this era, and the era of the early 70's, when Noah would likely be near the bottom the starting centers in the NBA in the early 70's.

Again, Boerwinkle was putting up identical numbers in that period, and I suspect that very few here have ever heard of him.

[Jameerthefear]

Can you imagine one of those 60's era financial consultants posing as a NBA player trying to guard Noah? :lol
:roll:

[ImKobe]

It doesn't bother me at all. It just speaks volumes about this era, and the era of the early 70's, when Noah would likely be near the bottom the starting centers in the NBA in the early 70's.

Again, Boerwinkle was putting up identical numbers in that period, and I suspect that very few here have ever heard of him.

It's not just about the numbers, and using numbers from 40 years ago to compare is just :facepalm when you had Kareem & Wilt still playing during that time, of course those numbers in that era are a joke.

Noah is putting up these numbers in 34 mpg while the team is 29th in pace. He does a lot more which you won't see on the stat sheet.

[oarabbus]

Noah>>>>Durant


https://scontent-a-pao.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1911944_634397383262488_1976791929_n.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

It's not just about the numbers, and using numbers from 40 years ago to compare is just :facepalm when you had Kareem & Wilt still playing during that time, of course those numbers in that era are a joke.

Noah is putting up these numbers in 34 mpg while the team is 29th in pace. He does a lot more which you won't see on the stat sheet.

In the 72-73 season, which is basically the year I selected, the NBA averaged 107.6 ppg on an eFG% of .456 with an estimated pace of 110.7.

Today's NBA is currently averaging 100.5 ppg on an eFG% of .498, and in an estimated pace of 94.1.

I don't see a DRAMATIC difference.

[ImKobe]

In the 72-73 season, which is basically the year I selected, the NBA averaged 107.6 ppg on an eFG% of .456 with an estimated pace of 110.7.

Today's NBA is currently averaging 100.5 ppg on an eFG% of .498, and in an estimated pace of 94.1.

I don't see a DRAMATIC difference.

:oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

:oldlol:

The 13-14 pace (estimated BTW) is at 85% of that of the 72-73 season. The scoring is at over 93% of the scoring of that 72-73 season. Rebounding? It was 50.6 rpg in '73, and it is currently 42.7...or at 85% of '73. APG today are at 21.7 and in 72-73, it was 25.2, or 86%.

Now do the math yourself and tell what a 12 ppg 10.5 rpg 4.6 apg season would compare to in 72-73?

[ImKobe]

The 13-14 pace (estimated BTW) is at 85% of that of the 72-73 season. The scoring is at over 93% of the scoring of that 72-73 season.

Now do the math yourself and tell what a 12 ppg 11 rpg 5 apg season would compare to in 72-73?

You'd be taking Noah's averages like he put them up at league average pace, when in fact he puts these numbers up at a pace of 90.6, which is the 2nd slowest pace in the current league.

so, comparing those numbers at a 90.6 pace and just straight up putting them at the pace of 110.7 would translate into 15 ppg 15 rpg 6 apg, which is elite considering he plays 34 mpg, let's say he plays 43-45 mpg like most elite players(Kareem,Wilt) would back then, you'd be looking at near 20 20 a game with about 8 assists.

[LAZERUSS]

You'd be taking Noah's averages like he put them up at league average pace, when in fact he puts these numbers up at a pace of 90.6, which is the 2nd slowest pace in the current league.

so, comparing those numbers at a 90.6 pace and just straight up putting them at the pace of 110.7 would translate into 15 ppg 15 rpg 6 apg, which is elite considering he plays 34 mpg.

You can't use his team's pace as a whole, though. You are punishing other players of his era when you do so.

In any case, 11.5 rpg translates to 13.5 rpg in 72-73. TheSEVENTH leading rebounder that season was at 14.5 rpg.

[ImKobe]

You can't use his team's pace as a whole, though. You are punishing other players of his era when you do so.

In any case, 10.5 rpg translates to 12.4 rpg in 72-73. The TENTH leading rebounder that season was at 12.9 rpg.


Noah is averaging 11.5 rpg, not 10.5, smartypants. And you can't compare his numbers with league average pace when he's putting them up at a much slower pace.

[Smook A.]

1. Dwight
2. Noah
3. Cousins
4. Hibbert
5. Drummond

HM: the fat gasol

[MightyWhitey]

He can do it all. It's crazy how much he can do. Noah>Dwight I've made it official. :bowdown: Name one center better then him!
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[LAZERUSS]

Noah is averaging 11.5 rpg, not 10.5, smartypants. And you can't compare his numbers with league average pace when he's putting them up at a much slower pace.

11.5 rpg translates to 13.5 rpg in 72-73. Again, that is just his rebounding numbers. His scoring would translate to 12.9 ppg. I suspect I could come up with a TON of starting centers who scored more than 12.9 ppg that season. And, you HAVE to adjust for eFG%, as well, which would dramatically lower Noah's .477 eFG%, in a league that is shooting .498 against the .456 eFG% of the '73 season. His eFG% would drop to .437.

Wilt was actually one of the lower scoring centers in '73, at 13.2 ppg, but, of course, it came on a .727 eFG%.

Hell, Neal Walk (who?) put up a 20.2 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 3.5 apg, .466 season that year, and in only 38 mpg.

Where does Walk rank in a league with Unseld, Cowens (MVP btw), Thurmond, Bellamy, Reed (FMVP btw), Hayes, McAdoo, Lanier, Kareem, and Chamberlain (not mention Gilmore in the ABA)?

[LAZERUSS]

I haven't seen a response since my last post above.

Just where would today's Noah rank in the early 70's NBA?

IMO, near the BOTTOM of the starting centers.

[Quickening]

Who gives a **** about what he would do in the 70s...half players who played then will be dead, move on. If he is good on this age where more people have access to basketball from various countries, talent pool is bigger.. he would be good in the 70s, now stfu

[iznogood]

Marc is back to his normal self lately, I would take him over Noah.
I would as well, any day.

[Rocketswin2013]

Dwight in place of Noah would make them better and put up better stats as a constant #1 option.. like 22ppg with a better defensive output.

[bdreason]

:roll: @ Jlauber trying to use stats from the 70's to rank modern players.

[BrainDead]

Just watched the highlights on Sportscenter, what is it that he's smelling before the game?

[Crystallas]

Just watched the highlights on Sportscenter, what is it that he's smelling before the game?

Ammonia carbonate, athletes use it to clear passages and wake them up. Otherwise known as smelling salts, despite not being mixed with salt, like they did in the olden days.

[ImKobe]

11.5 rpg translates to 13.5 rpg in 72-73. Again, that is just his rebounding numbers. His scoring would translate to 12.9 ppg. I suspect I could come up with a TON of starting centers who scored more than 12.9 ppg that season. And, you HAVE to adjust for eFG%, as well, which would dramatically lower Noah's .477 eFG%, in a league that is shooting .498 against the .456 eFG% of the '73 season. His eFG% would drop to .437.

Wilt was actually one of the lower scoring centers in '73, at 13.2 ppg, but, of course, it came on a .727 eFG%.

Hell, Neal Walk (who?) put up a 20.2 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 3.5 apg, .466 season that year, and in only 38 mpg.

Where does Walk rank in a league with Unseld, Cowens (MVP btw), Thurmond, Bellamy, Reed (FMVP btw), Hayes, McAdoo, Lanier, Kareem, and Chamberlain (not mention Gilmore in the ABA)?

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Dunaprenti]

11.5 rpg translates to 13.5 rpg in 72-73. Again, that is just his rebounding numbers. His scoring would translate to 12.9 ppg. I suspect I could come up with a TON of starting centers who scored more than 12.9 ppg that season. And, you HAVE to adjust for eFG%, as well, which would dramatically lower Noah's .477 eFG%, in a league that is shooting .498 against the .456 eFG% of the '73 season. His eFG% would drop to .437.

Wilt was actually one of the lower scoring centers in '73, at 13.2 ppg, but, of course, it came on a .727 eFG%.

Hell, Neal Walk (who?) put up a 20.2 ppg, 12.4 rpg, 3.5 apg, .466 season that year, and in only 38 mpg.

Where does Walk rank in a league with Unseld, Cowens (MVP btw), Thurmond, Bellamy, Reed (FMVP btw), Hayes, McAdoo, Lanier, Kareem, and Chamberlain (not mention Gilmore in the ABA)?

And what could've been bought for 5 bucks back then, right?
Let's forget the fact that the game is played totally different, especially regarding center play, and focus solely on statistics thats how its done!
Noah would've been at least average in any era, his skills translate very well.
You must be very bored to write such "insightful" or a troll. Either way I feel sorry for you.

[guy]

Modern Day Bill Russell :rockon:

[BoutPractice]

One interesting twist on the era argument would be to ask yourself: how much might Noah improve as a player if he had to face centers like in the early 70s or 90s? In other words, do you believe players can "rise up to the competition"? (Russell himself seems to think Chamberlain made him a better player) That's an open question, I'm not sure myself.

If only to survive in a center-driven league, Noah might have been forced to push himself to the absolute limit of his abilities. With his passion, hard work ethic, outstanding physical tools, and good understanding of the game, combined with a pace that's advantageous not just in terms of adding to his stats, but also favouring a certain style of play (allowing him to take advantage of his quickness) he could've become even more of a rebounding machine, tenacious defender etc. Or alternatively he might be crushed by the challenge. We'll never know. I think there's a dynamic quality to careers that gets lost when we're just speaking numbers.

[chairman]

Triple Double watch 10pts 9ast 11reb 2blk:bowdown: best center no doubt

[Denitron]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[chairman]

My ni66a jo :applause:

[chairman]

1 ast shy of another triple double :bowdown:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I been said this ALL season it not even a question anymore:applause: :applause:

[YouGotServed]

lol @ this thread. Dwight is the best center in the league and is not even close.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

lol @ this thread. Dwight is the best center in the league and is not even close.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Smook A.]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Why you actin like Dwight isn't even top 10?

He's still a top 3 center. Noah, Dwight, and Cousins

[gts]

Noah has really grown on me over the last couple seasons... He's carved out a nice little niche for himself as an elite high energy big man...He can out battle any big man in the league on any given night just by his never say die attitude

If you can't/don't respect his game you're probably not a fan of basketball

[YouGotServed]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Good argument, will read again.

[Uncle Drew]

lol @ this thread. Dwight is the best center in the league and is not even close.
Good argument, will read again.

[YouGotServed]

Dwight has been the best center in the league for years now. Burden of proof is on you, try again.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Why you actin like Dwight isn't even top 10?

He's still a top 3 center. Noah, Dwight, and Cousins
Joakim, Cousins, Hibbert, Marc and Timmy are all better

[CHi1PriDe]

Dwight has been the best center in the league for years now. Burden of proof is on you, try again.

So dwight was the best center last year too ? :facepalm

[YouGotServed]

So dwight was the best center last year too ? :facepalm

Shit post posted by a shitty poster.

Next.

[Smook A.]

Joakim, Cousins, Hibbert, Marc and Timmy are all better
You're retarded. Hibbert, Marc and Timmy are no way better. Do some research. Dwight has been bad for the past 2 game? Ok so..... 2 games can't define a season.

Dwight has been averaging a solid 19 ppg/12 rpg and 2 blocks.

[Uncle Drew]

Dwight has been the best center in the league for years now. Burden of proof is on you, try again.
Good argument, will read again.

[Graviton]

Dwight has been the best center in the league for years now. Burden of proof is on you, try again.
This ain't 2010 man, after leaving that Magic system focused on him behind, he has been struggling to fit in with every team. He is still a beast on defense and on the boards, but his offensive game is total garbage. He isn't a skilled passer, scorer or shooter. His FT shooting is always an issue, so are his turnovers and post game. You can't rely on such raw talent in the playoffs, you will soon find out why.

He still puts up nice numbers, but his actual impact on winning games has diminished. Noah so far this season has been the better center, he has won his team more games with his amazing playmaking skills, rebounding and intense defense. And he has worse teammates than Howard and more injuries on his roster. Howard on the other hand has turned into a shell of his former self, he looks like a little bitch out there deferring to bunch of chuckers like Harden and those other scrubs that just jack up 3s all game. His talents are being wasted in Houston.

[Levity]

lol @ this thread. Dwight is the best center in the league and is not even close.

unless youre mentally ill, there's no way you believe that.

[Smook A.]

This ain't 2010 man, after leaving that Magic system focused on him behind, he has been struggling to fit in with every team. He is still a beast on defense and on the boards, but his offensive game is total garbage. He isn't a skilled passer, scorer or shooter. His FT shooting is always an issue, so are his turnovers and post game. You can't rely on such raw talent in the playoffs, you will soon find out why.

He still puts up nice numbers, but his actual impact on winning games has diminished. Noah so far this season has been the better center, he has won his team more games with his amazing playmaking skills, rebounding and intense defense. And he has worse teammates than Howard and more injuries on his roster. Howard on the other hand has turned into a shell of his former self, he looks like a little bitch out there deferring to bunch of chuckers like Harden and those other scrubs that just jack up 3s all game. His talents are being wasted in Houston.
He's had a couple bad games this season. He's still putting up 19/12/2 on 60% shooting. 60%. His offensive game is pretty bad but its been like that since his orlando days.

The reason why he's not putting up 20+ ppg is because Houston has scorers like Parsons, Harden, Lin and sometimes Jones. In Orlando, Dwight didn't have that. He's had multiple games with 30+ points. His rebounding looks down but thats because he's got better rebounders around him. Asik and Jones

Put him on a team with scorers from his Orlando days and he'd still averaged 22/14. I guarantee you that. Dwight is still Dwight. He may not be the best center in the league anymore but he's still top 3

[chairman]

Noah has really grown on me over the last couple seasons... He's carved out a nice little niche for himself as an elite high energy big man...He can out battle any big man in the league on any given night just by his never say die attitude

If you can't/don't respect his game you're probably not a fan of basketball
This. If you love basketball you love Joakim.

[Graviton]

He's had a couple bad games this season. He's still putting up 19/12/2 on 60% shooting. 60%. His offensive game is pretty bad but its been like that since his orlando days.

The reason why he's not putting up 20+ ppg is because Houston has scorers like Parsons, Harden, Lin and sometimes Jones. In Orlando, Dwight didn't have that. He's had multiple games with 30+ points. His rebounding looks down but thats because he's got better rebounders around him. Asik and Jones

Put him on a team with scorers from his Orlando days and he'd still averaged 22/14. I guarantee you that. Dwight is still Dwight. He may not be the best center in the league anymore but he's still top 3

I know he is the same guy, but its his attitude. He looks like a lil bitch out there. Those "scorers" are just chuckers that jack up 3s over and over. Some of that is on Mchale but Dwight himself needs to tell them to give him the ball or run more pick n rolls. No one can handle him 1 on 1.

But instead we got all those young retards with not even half of Howard's experience running down the court and chucking like they are in an all star game. The whole Houston offense is like the old Suns except they have no real playmaker. So basically they just run and shoot 3s over and over and pray for the best. Like wtf is that. There aren't even any plays, just bunch of scrubs taking turns trying to make trick shots. Howard needs to be the leader of the team, not those trigger happy kids.

[Smook A.]

I know he is the same guy, but its his attitude. He looks like a lil bitch out there. Those "scorers" are just chuckers that jack up 3s over and over. Some of that is on Mchale but Dwight himself needs to tell them to give him the ball or run more pick n rolls. No one can handle him 1 on 1.

But instead we got all those young retards with not even half of Howard's experience running down the court and chucking like they are in an all star game. The whole Houston offense is like the old Suns except they have no real playmaker. So basically they just run and shoot 3s over and over and pray for the best. Like wtf is that. There aren't even any plays, just bunch of scrubs taking turns trying to make trick shots. Howard needs to be the leader of the team, not those trigger happy kids.
Harden and Parsons aren't chuckers. Parsons is on a slump right now for some reason and Harden just had a bad game.

Harden is putting up 25 ppg on 46% shooting while attempting only 16 shots

[YouGotServed]

:oldlol: People actually believe the garbage they spew. Dwight is the better rebounder, better athlete, better post game, better at finishing around the rim, more efficient, better shot blocker, protects the rim better, quicker etc etc.

The only thing Noah has on Dwight is passing, which is pretty much a useless skill to have under a terrible offensive coach like Thibs. We get it. Noah "hustles" and displays "emotion" when he plays. His hair movement when he's in the zone is ****ing hilarious to watch. Unfortunately though that doesn't make him the better player. A better actor perhaps, I'll give him that.

Dwight is the better player by miles, this isn't debatable.

[Smook A.]

:oldlol: People actually believe the garbage they spew. Dwight is the better rebounder, better athlete, better post game, better at finishing around the rim, more efficient, better shot blocker, protects the rim better, quicker etc etc.

The only thing Noah has on Dwight is passing, which is pretty much a useless skill to have under a terrible offensive coach like Thibs. We get it. Noah "hustles" and displays "emotion" when he plays. His hair movement when he's in the zone is ****ing hilarious to watch. Unfortunately though that doesn't make him the better player. A better actor perhaps, I'll give him that.

Dwight is the better player by miles, this isn't debatable.
Dwight has been fantastic this season. He just had 2 bad games

And where was the love for Noah at the start of the season? It seems like everyone just started noticing his passing a month ago or something? Im like where tf were you??

I think Dwight is still the best center. Once he gets back, he'll be unstoppable. These last 2 games have been his worst of the season so far. He'll be back.

On the other hand, Joakim Noah has been great. He's bringing great hustle and tenacity to the team. I like that alot

[YouGotServed]

Dwight has been fantastic this season. He just had 2 bad games

And where was the love for Noah at the start of the season? It seems like everyone just started noticing his passing a month ago or something? Im like where tf were you??

I think Dwight is still the best center. Once he gets back, he'll be unstoppable. These last 2 games have been his worst of the season so far. He'll be back.

On the other hand, Joakim Noah has been great. He's bringing great hustle and tenacity to the team. I like that alot

I wouldn't sweat it. It's the 'What have you done for me now?' mentality of InsideHoops. Get used to it. Dwight is a ****ing beast, best center in the league by far. Been beasting all year. That's why they hate, because they feel threatened. Notice how many compliments this guy is getting. Kinda like Curry. All love, all compliments. Because really, deep inside they know they aren't the best.

Harden and Howard are studs, the best guard-center combo in the league. They're a legitimate threat to the rest of the league and that's why they hate.

Sit back and enjoy it buddy. :cheers:

[hahaitme]

MVP Race:

1. Noah
2. LeBron
3. Durant
4. Derek Fisher

[Graviton]

Dwight has been fantastic this season. He just had 2 bad games

And where was the love for Noah at the start of the season? It seems like everyone just started noticing his passing a month ago or something? Im like where tf were you??

I think Dwight is still the best center. Once he gets back, he'll be unstoppable. These last 2 games have been his worst of the season so far. He'll be back.

On the other hand, Joakim Noah has been great. He's bringing great hustle and tenacity to the team. I like that alot

Noah has always been the best passing big man, he was getting triple doubles last season too. I was arguing with Marc Gasol fans last year how he only does flashy behind the back passes but Noah actually sets up the offense from the high or low post like a PG. Thibs relies on Noah to be the main playmaker, no other big man does what Noah does for the Bulls. There are others who make some nice highlight passes, but Noah does it every day on top of running an actual offense. Plus being the main rebounder, hustle guy and post defender.

I think Howard is still "better", but Noah is having slightly better season. All Dwight needs to do is man up and tell his team to involve him more in plays and stop jacking up so many 3s when they start losing.

[Graviton]

Harden and Parsons aren't chuckers. Parsons is on a slump right now for some reason and Harden just had a bad game.

Harden is putting up 25 ppg on 46% shooting while attempting only 16 shots
Those 2 guys have their chucking moments, but I meant the other scrubs like Beverly and some of the bench players.

[Smook A.]

Hopefully Howard bounces back in our next game vs the Heat

[Dengness9]

I wouldn't sweat it. It's the 'What have you done for me now?' mentality of InsideHoops. Get used to it. Dwight is a ****ing beast, best center in the league by far. Been beasting all year. That's why they hate, because they feel threatened. Notice how many compliments this guy is getting. Kinda like Curry. All love, all compliments. Because really, deep inside they know they aren't the best.

Harden and Howard are studs, the best guard-center combo in the league. They're a legitimate threat to the rest of the league and that's why they hate.

Sit back and enjoy it buddy. :cheers:


Dude i get that you go hard for H-Town but dont be such a whiny bitch about it.

As a Bulls fan I only despise the Heat. The Rockets are one of my favorite teams to watch so Im not here to bash anybody on Houston. Im a big Harden and Parsons fan...Parsons is a 50% fg shooter for whoever said he was a chucker

Dwight has always been far better than Noah. This season however, Noah is generating MVP buzz though he obviously would never come close to winning it. He is doing HISTORIC things w/ his passing ability.


You can talk about Thibs terrible offensive system but Noah runs the show and its down right impressive.

I can appreciate Dwight for how awesome he is. He and Jo are on their own level at center.

Dwight just wishes he had balls like Noah. If he did, he'd be two times the player Noah is right now, and thats saying a lot.

[Dengness9]

what to say about Howard's head coach and big man HOF'er Kevin McHale saying Noah is the DPOY?


:coleman:



I didnt say it, Kevin did.

[Smook A.]

what to say about Howard's head coach and big man HOF'er Mike McHale saying Noah is the DPOY?


:coleman:



I didnt say it, Mike did.
Who is Mike McHale? :biggums:

Its KEVIN McHale...

[Dengness9]

Who is Mike McHale? :biggums:

Its KEVIN McHale...


Sorry one of my best friends is Mike McHale. I do that way too often.

[MichaelCorleone]

Best center in the league is still Dwight Howard.

[gts]

This. If you love basketball you love Joakim.I'll be honest it took me some time to get over his "enthusiasm" :lol

But he's won me over, can't dislike a guy who's willing to leave it all on the floor every damn night

[YouGotServed]

Dwight has always been far better than Noah. This season however, Noah is generating MVP buzz though he obviously would never come close to winning it. He is doing HISTORIC things w/ his passing ability.


Noah isn't serious MVP talks, only a delusional Bulls homer would say that.



I can appreciate Dwight for how awesome he is. He and Jo are on their own level at center.

Dwight just wishes he had balls like Noah. If he did, he'd be two times the player Noah is right now, and thats saying a lot.

Cool rant, I still fail to see how Noah is the better player. Dwight is better, deal with it.

[ballup]

Hard for me to have Noah over Howard definitively. Noah just doesn't score enough, but Noah does everything aside from shooting 3s and perimeter isos. He rotates so well and he makes passes like he's a guard. He's got that long 2 and even his post game is pretty solid.

[houston]

dwight still king

[sportjames23]

dwight still king


Dream >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dwight, doe

[Black Mamba's B]

Dwight hasn't proven he's the clear cut best center in a couple years now. There's a couple guys in the discussion for best center. But I would take Noah over Dwight in a heart beat. I'vebeen on the nNoah train for a couple years. He's the heart and soul of the Bulls and gives maximum effort everytime he plays. He brings intangibles to the game not many other players bring. He for sure is a better passer and shooter than Dwight. Dwight is more athletic, better rebounder and defensive player but Noah is up there.

[KungFuJoe]

Noah > DH

Problem with DH is that he's a black hole. The ball goes to him, assuming he doesn't turn it over or commit an offensive foul...there's only one thing he does...dribble, dribble, left hand hook. That's it. Or maybe the occasion spin move where he ends up behind the backboard and steps out of bounds or travels.

He's GREAT against guys who he can bully and weak interior rebounding teams. Against teams like OKC he's just awful.

He's just not a guy that will bring you production when you need it. It depends on who he's playing. The truly great players produced, one way or another, against everyone, when it mattered.

DH is not that player.

[plowking]

Anyone who actually thinks Noah is a better basketball player than Dwight is stupid, or simply a hater.

Cousins is a flat out better baller too.

Noah is a great player, but hes certainly not the best at his position, nor is he close.

[MichaelCorleone]

Is he good? Can Kobe play with him?

[ballup]

Anyone who actually thinks Noah is a better basketball player than Dwight is stupid, or simply a hater.

Cousins is a flat out better baller too.

Noah is a great player, but hes certainly not the best at his position, nor is he close.
And what is Noah's short comings that make him certainly not the best?

[TheMan]

lol @ this thread. Dwight is the best center in the league and is not even close.
Yeah ok, bruh

[BlackWhiteGreen]

And what is Noah's short comings that make him certainly not the best?

Can't score on the same level, doesn't rebound on the same level, not as good of a shot blocker. Literally the only things Noah does better are FTs and passing. And midrange, I guess, though it's not something Dwight needs to develop

[TheMan]

Can't score on the same level, doesn't rebound on the same level, not as good of a shot blocker. Literally the only things Noah does better are FTs and passing. And midrange, I guess, though it's not something Dwight needs to develop
Yeah because Dwight has those unstoppable silky smooth low post moves

[russwest0]

Can't score on the same level, doesn't rebound on the same level, not as good of a shot blocker. Literally the only things Noah does better are FTs and passing. And midrange, I guess, though it's not something Dwight needs to develop

didn't mention defense.

lmao clown

[ballup]

Can't score on the same level, doesn't rebound on the same level, not as good of a shot blocker. Literally the only things Noah does better are FTs and passing. And midrange, I guess, though it's not something Dwight needs to develop
By raw numbers, Dwight averages about one more rebound a game, but have you considered the fact that Noah has better rebounding teammates in Boozer and Gibson than Howard does with Terrance Jones and Asik (if you really want to count him in even though he hasn't got as much playing time this season)?

And I agree, Dwight doesn't need to develop a mid range, but the fact that Noah can hit it creates many more opportunities on offense, especially with his passing.

Not to say that these attributes make up for the lack in the scoring department, but the title of best center is much more closer than it has earlier this season.

[chairman]

Joakim can't score ? 23 points 11reb 8ast. The man is a walking triple double point center. MVP, we are not worthy :bowdown:

[Rocketswin2013]

If Noah got hacked,pulled, and grabbed all game long and call for a foul everytime he touched the ball, he would be a poor man's omer asik.

[no pun intended]

Joakim can't score ? 23 points 11reb 8ast. The man is a walking triple double point center. MVP, we are not worthy :bowdown:
is it really necessary to bump your own thread each game? we all get it...

[chairman]

is it really necessary to bump your own thread each game? we all get it...
Don't hate on the MVP.

[CarlosBoozer]

is it really necessary to bump your own thread each game? we all get it...
Don't hate on the MVP.

[TheMan]

is it really necessary to bump your own thread each game? we all get it...
Don't hate on the MVP

[CarlosBoozer]

Don't hate on the MVP
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lshbc1Lm9x1qzb7vjo1_500.jpg

[JohnFreeman]

I agree.
1. Noah
2. Jefferson
3. Cousins
4. Howard

[jrong]

Bulls fans, I gotta say it, we've had our differences in the past, but your team is hard not to root for. I was standing up cheering for you guys the last time you played the Heat. Now please, if you can't beat them in the playoffs, at least beat them up bad so somebody else can. I was an MJ fan before Wade, and I will consider this era a victory as long as his GOAT status is intact when it's over. So we have a common enemy in that regards.

[chairman]

Bulls fans, I gotta say it, we've had our differences in the past, but your team is hard not to root for. I was standing up cheering for you guys the last time you played the Heat. Now please, if you can't beat them in the playoffs, at least beat them up bad so somebody else can. I was an MJ fan before Wade, and I will consider this era a victory as long as his GOAT status is intact when it's over. So we have a common enemy in that regards.
We will dethrone the heat in the playoffs - JoakiMVP

[Smook A.]

I agree.
1. Noah
2. Jefferson
3. Cousins
4. Howard
Al Jefferson needs to play better defense. His D is terrible from what i've seen. I also heard that he's dead last on points allowed per possesion

My top 3 are still (no order) Noah, Dwight, Cousins

[plowking]

Bulls fans, I gotta say it, we've had our differences in the past, but your team is hard not to root for. I was standing up cheering for you guys the last time you played the Heat. Now please, if you can't beat them in the playoffs, at least beat them up bad so somebody else can. I was an MJ fan before Wade, and I will consider this era a victory as long as his GOAT status is intact when it's over. So we have a common enemy in that regards.

By far the biggest douche on the board.

Why don't you tell everyone how you write for a living again, and how you're better than everyone on here. :oldlol:

F@g.

[chairman]

By far the biggest douche on the board.

Why don't you tell everyone how you write for a living again, and how you're better than everyone on here. :oldlol:

F@g.
Go find a bran thread ph@ggot. Don't hate the MVP.

[chairman]

By far the biggest douche on the board.

Why don't you tell everyone how you write for a living again, and how you're better than everyone on here. :oldlol:

F@g.
Just kidding everyone is welcome here.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lshbc1Lm9x1qzb7vjo1_500.jpg

Noah is the second best looking girl in that picture.

[sportjames23]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lshbc1Lm9x1qzb7vjo1_500.jpg


:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Noah stay pullin' white chicks. :pimp:

[sportjames23]

Bulls fans, I gotta say it, we've had our differences in the past, but your team is hard not to root for. I was standing up cheering for you guys the last time you played the Heat. Now please, if you can't beat them in the playoffs, at least beat them up bad so somebody else can. I was an MJ fan before Wade, and I will consider this era a victory as long as his GOAT status is intact when it's over. So we have a common enemy in that regards.

You ain't got to worry about that, bruh. His status as GOAT ain't gonna change any time soon. :cheers:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Bulls fans, I gotta say it, we've had our differences in the past, but your team is hard not to root for. I was standing up cheering for you guys the last time you played the Heat. Now please, if you can't beat them in the playoffs, at least beat them up bad so somebody else can. I was an MJ fan before Wade, and I will consider this era a victory as long as his GOAT status is intact when it's over. So we have a common enemy in that regards.

The self-proclaimed "real" Heat fan :applause:

[Basketbolero]

Noah is the second best looking girl in that picture.
Seriously. He probably hit on the blonde one to his right and she asked if she could bring her friends along...

[chairman]

Seriously. He probably hit on the blonde one to his right and she asked if she could bring her friends along...
Joakim with another triple double :bowdown:

[r0drig0lac]

poor man Bill Russell

[Dengness9]

Bulls fans, I gotta say it, we've had our differences in the past, but your team is hard not to root for. I was standing up cheering for you guys the last time you played the Heat. Now please, if you can't beat them in the playoffs, at least beat them up bad so somebody else can. I was an MJ fan before Wade, and I will consider this era a victory as long as his GOAT status is intact when it's over. So we have a common enemy in that regards.


RESPECT. And you know we have had it in before. I appreciate you on this man.

[Dengness9]

The self-proclaimed "real" Heat fan :applause:


We know youre not a real fan of any team you bandwagon ass *****

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Is there even a question who even close to him this season:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Is there even a question who even close to him this season:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
IMO

1. Noah
2. Ibaka
3. Howard (Juan)
4. Dwight

It's a shame Noah and Bron Bron hate each other. They'd be the best PnR in the league, and ASG proved that.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

IMO

1. Noah
2. Ibaka
3. Howard (Juan)
4. Dwight

It's a shame Noah and Bron Bron hate each other. They'd be the best PnR in the league, and ASG proved that.
:biggums:
Ibaka a power forward:biggums: and who the fck is Juan Howard:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: NBA got some mexicans now?:biggums:

[J Shuttlesworth]

:biggums:
Ibaka a power forward:biggums: and who the fck is Juan Howard:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: NBA got some mexicans now?:biggums:
lol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Juwan_Howard1-crop.jpg

How do you not realize my post is an agenda to insult Dwight? :biggums:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Juwan still playing?:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
and nikka there a difference between Juan and Juwan a syllable and consonant:coleman: :coleman:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Juwan still playing?:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
and nikka there a difference between Juan and Juwan a syllable and consonant:coleman: :coleman:
It was a typo, relax. He's on the Heat's staff though. Still more effective than Dwight IMHO

[CHi1PriDe]

lol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Juwan_Howard1-crop.jpg

How do you not realize my post is an agenda to insult Dwight? :biggums:

Lol Juan :biggums: , when did he become mexican... It's Juwan #fail

[Uncle Drew]

Juan Howard and Miguel Pietrus :roll:

[aj1987]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lshbc1Lm9x1qzb7vjo1_500.jpg
:biggums:

Those chicks are ugly as ****...well, not ugly as ****, but average. Typical college chicks.

Even a ugly mofo like Noah could bang 9's and 10's.

[Godzuki]

I agree. he's one of the best rounded Centers now that he came into his own this year passing the ball, and he's got a real solid short J. he's like a better and younger version of Varaejo.

[el_locoteee]

:biggums:

Those chicks are ugly as ****...well, not ugly as ****, but average. Typical college chicks.

Even a ugly mofo like Noah could bang 9's and 10's.

Quantity not quality. lol.

[davehos]

He can do it all. It's crazy how much he can do. Noah>Dwight I've made it official. :bowdown: Name one center better then him!

In other news ... water is wet.

[Rocketswin2013]

If the Rockets had Noah instead of Dwight on the Rockets they'd possibly miss the playoffs. He's do everything Howard does but at a poorer level.


Noah is truly overrated now, he's on a team full of great defenders and its making him look good.



Side note: While Asik was with the Bulls, he had a league leading 89 DRTG...............


Just goes to show what having a g great team and coach/system can do to pad your stats and overrate you.....

[chocolatethunder]

Ammonia carbonate, athletes use it to clear passages and wake them up. Otherwise known as smelling salts, despite not being mixed with salt, like they did in the olden days.
Ammonium carbonate is a salt. Table salt is also a salt but is not nor was not an ingredient in smelling salts.