Is Lebron the only superstar to win without a good rim protector?

[livinglegend]

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Center is the most important in basketball and rim protection is also very important. Is he the only one to do it?

[houston]

no hes not

[MichaelCorleone]

Good thread, nice of you to raise this point that A LOT of people are avoiding.

The closest thing Lebron has to a "big man" is Bosh who shoots 3s and had a 0pt game 7.

Bbbb-but TeHZ hEatZ aRe sTaCkEdsszzz!!!:oldlol:

[livinglegend]

no hes not

who else?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Good thread, nice of you to raise this point that A LOT of people are avoiding.

The closest thing Lebron has to a "big man" is Bosh who shoots 3s and had a 0pt game 7.

Bbbb-but TeHZ hEatZ aRe sTaCkEdsszzz!!!:oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :applause:

[Uncle Drew]

Hakeem.

:)

[livinglegend]

Hakeem.

:)

he is a rim protector himself:facepalm

[SpecialQue]

You know nothing about rim protection.

[Uncle Drew]

he is a rim protector himself:facepalm
No shit.

[Milbuck]

Lebron could use a rim protector, you guys are creepy as ****.

[Inferno]

Lebron could use a rim protector, you guys are creepy as ****.

:lol :lol :lol :bowdown: :bowdown:

[MichaelCorleone]

livinglegend not disappointing as a member of the Lebron Family.

Good show comrade.:cheers:

[lebeast666]

He is the rim protector :lol

[livinglegend]

You know nothing about rim protection.

seems like you again butthurt specialqueer

[Fire Colangelo]

Lebron could use a rim protector, you guys are creepy as ****.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TMT]

It becomes less of a necessity when you have three superstars at different positions. Not to mention the traditional big man has become extinct in today's NBA. There's less need for an interior shotblocker nowadays.

[Lord Bean]

Lebron could use a rim protector, you guys are creepy as ****.
:oldlol: :roll: :applause:

[Inferno]

seems like you again butthurt specialqueer

Seems like you again retarded livinglegend :confusedshrug:

[Dragonyeuw]

I don't recall Bill Cartwright and Luc Longley intimidating anyone from driving the lane due to their ability to shut down the paint. Well, maybe Cartwright's elbows, but otherwise......:confusedshrug:

[livinglegend]

It becomes less of a necessity when you have three superstars at different positions. Not to mention the traditional big man has become extinct in today's NBA. There's less need for an interior shotblocker nowadays.

3 superstars? :lol
What kind of superstar scores 0 point in a game 7 of NBA finals?

[Warfan]

http://www.warriorsworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Rick-Barry.jpg

[livinglegend]

http://www.warriorsworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Rick-Barry.jpg

fail

[MichaelCorleone]

livinglegend ethering left and RIGHT.

I approve of this thread and applaud you for your efforts.:applause: :cheers:

[TMT]

3 superstars? :lol
What kind of superstar scores 0 point in a game 7 of NBA finals?

Just posting this because someone else did? :rolleyes:

Bosh is a superstar, stop kidding yourself.

[Doranku]

Who needs a rim protector against 40 win teams?

[livinglegend]

Just posting this because someone else did? :rolleyes:

Bosh is a superstar, stop kidding yourself.

#Spurs fan
#Butthurtbecauseofgame6
#Stillhurt
#OPINIONINVALID

[livinglegend]

Who needs a rim protector against 40 win teams?

every1 except Lebron

[MichaelCorleone]

Just posting this because someone else did? :rolleyes:

Bosh is a superstar, stop kidding yourself.
Spurs fan.:oldlol: :facepalm

Bosh is NOT a superstar, not even a star.

[moe94]

Lebron could use a rim protector, you guys are creepy as ****.
http://replygif.net/i/121.gif

god damn

[TMT]

#Spurs fan
#Butthurtbecauseofgame6
#Stillhurt
#OPINIONINVALID

#nomaterial
#zerobasketballknowledge
#obviously12becauseusinghashtags

[livinglegend]

#nomaterial
#zerobasketballknowledge
#obviously12becauseusinghashtags

are you 12? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BigMacAttack]

fail

You are michaelcorleone. This dude has 3 alts running in the same thread lol.

[TMT]

Spurs fan.:oldlol: :facepalm

Bosh is NOT a superstar, not even a star.

:whatever: Do you even watch basketball? Shut your damn mouth, boy.

[houston]

who else?


Rick Barry,Dirk,Bad Boys Pistons and of course Jordan and Pippen. Center and PG is the overrated positions on the court. If you have great wing/guard play you can win with strong solid bigs.



It a reason why Bosh, Lamibeer, Gasol, etc... have more rings than Dirk,Garnett, etc... cause of great guard/wing play.


A.c Green,Rodman,Grant = 12 rings

Barkely,Malone,Kemp = 0 rings

[Inferno]

are you 12? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Are you retarded? :facepalm

[TMT]

are you 12? :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Far from it. But since you didn't deny it, I'm going to conceive that you are a mere child. In which case I now understand the reasoning behind your awful basketball knowledge.

[MichaelCorleone]

People have NO ANSWER, have to resort to insulting livinglegend.

Damn LL have these haters shook.:oldlol: :applause:

[inclinerator]

http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_xlarge_l/v1370863904/lebron-james-block-gif.gif

[MichaelCorleone]

http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_xlarge_l/v1370863904/lebron-james-block-gif.gif
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[TMT]

People have NO ANSWER, have to resort to insulting livinglegend.

Damn LL have these haters shook.:oldlol: :applause:

This kid thinks Bosh isn't a star player. :oldlol:
Jesus, basketball IQ on ISH has really hit the floor since this new generation came through.

[Warfan]

fail

lol
31/6/6 in the reg season & 28/6/6 in the playoffs & 30/5/5 in the finals. 4th in MVP voting, all NBA 1st team

[Milbuck]

People have NO ANSWER, have to resort to insulting livinglegend.

Damn LL have these haters shook.:oldlol: :applause:
Shit. I was hoping to have "caught feelings", but I'll take being "shook".

[livinglegend]

Far from it. But since you didn't deny it, I'm going to conceive that you are a mere child. In which case I now understand the reasoning behind your awful basketball knowledge.

you accused me of being 12 because i used hash tags, but you use them also, dumbass.

[MichaelCorleone]

This kid thinks Bosh isn't a star player. :oldlol:
Jesus, basketball IQ on ISH has really hit the floor since this new generation came through.
Bosh is nothing more than a Charlie Villanueva clone. Jump shooting "big".

[livinglegend]

lol
31/6/6 in the reg season & 28/6/6 in the playoffs & 30/5/5 in the finals. 4th in MVP voting, all NBA 1st team

who s pic was that? i cant see it, it didnt load. this is why i said fail.

[G-train]

It becomes less of a necessity when you have three superstars at different positions. Not to mention the traditional big man has become extinct in today's NBA. There's less need for an interior shotblocker nowadays.

It becomes less of a necessity when you have excellent team defence and smart defensive players with other strengths.

[TMT]

you accused me of being 12 because i used hash tags, but you use them also, dumbass.

:facepalm It's called making a point. No joke, you really are around this age aren't you? :lol Your daddy might be able to teach you a thing of two about the game there, boy.


It becomes less of a necessity when you have excellent team defence and smart defensive players with other strengths.

This

[Inferno]

you accused me of being 12 because i used hash tags, but you use them also, dumbass.

He was mocking you, moron.

[Warfan]

who s pic was that? i cant see it, it didnt load. this is why i said fail.

oh, it was rick barry

[TMT]

Bosh is nothing more than a Charlie Villanueva clone. Jump shooting "big".

:roll: Guess you never watched him in his 7 year tenure in Toronto.

[Prometheus]

Bosh is a superstar, stop kidding yourself.

What the... you... :facepalm


livinglegend ethering left and RIGHT.

Stop having such low standards. There has been zero ether of any kind in this thread by anyone, except maybe


Lebron could use a rim protector, you guys are creepy as ****.

:oldlol:

As for OP, '12 Miami and '13 Miami are the only teams to win without a very good rim protector since Jordan's Bulls teams (all six of them). I don't know of anyone winning without one prior to that, although I don't know much about what happened in the 70s. But while Miami doesn't have a dominant defensive big, they do have Birdman coming off the bench, who is at least decent with interior defense, Bosh is at least an average shot blocker, LeBron is surprisingly effective at protecting the rim when he wants to be (he was excellent in the Finals last year) and can play at least passable defense when he switches onto bigs, and Wade is still the GOAT shot blocking guard. They compensate pretty well as a collective for their lack of a dominant paint protector. I'd honestly be more curious to see how far you'd have to go back in time to find a team that won championships while being one of the league's worst rebounding teams - their rebounding, not their interior defense, is their greatest weakness.

[imnew09]

He is also the only superstar who joined among two other SUPERSTARs to win it

[MichaelCorleone]

:roll: Guess you never watched him in his 7 year tenure in Toronto.
We're talking about NOW.

Bosh on the Miami Heat was never a star. His numbers dropped like crazy and he choked in the playoffs often.

[Milbuck]

:roll: Guess you never watched him in his 7 year tenure in Toronto.
Dude don't feed the troll. He has zero desire to have intelligent discussion.

[livinglegend]

:facepalm It's called making a point. No joke, you really are around this age aren't you? :lol Your daddy might be able to teach you a thing of two about the game there, boy.



This

Making a point by acting like a 12 years old yourself? :oldlol:
My dad wouldnt suicide to show me that suicide is bad.

[TMT]

We're talking about NOW.

Bosh on the Miami Heat was never a star. His numbers dropped like crazy and he choked in the playoffs often.

Is he supposed to put up the same numbers he did before? :lol He's on a team with several other stars with the ball in their hands all the time, of course his numbers are lower.

Whenever he plays without Wade or Lebron on the floor the offense can still flow through him, along with the fact he is an elite shooter. If you've seen games where Lebron sits or Wade sits, his role is much greater and has even hit game winners in this capacity.

Lebron has choked in the playoffs too, obviously it hasn't wrecked his reputation. What is your point?

[TMT]

Dude don't feed the troll. He has zero desire to have intelligent discussion.

You're right. Corleone and livinglegend have officially reached Lebron23/Silk status.

[livinglegend]

He was mocking you, moron.

#TRYINGHARDTOGETMYATTENTION

[kamil]

http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_xlarge_l/v1370863904/lebron-james-block-gif.gif

I hate Splitter for this. This guy cost the Spurs a championship with his EPIC SCRUB playmaking.

[tmacattack33]

Gasol wasn't that great on D, and Kobe won with him.

And was Shaq in 2006 really that good of a defender? I don't think so. And wade won with him.

[MichaelCorleone]

You're right. Corleone and livinglegend have officially reached Lebron23/Silk status.
So we've reached GOAT posters status?

Thanks.

[oh the horror]

So we've reached GOAT posters status?

Thanks.



No. You've reached delusional maniac where everyone either takes you as a joke, or flat out questions your emotional stability.

[livinglegend]

Gasol wasn't that great on D, and Kobe won with him.

And was Shaq in 2006 really that good of a defender? I don't think so. And wade won with him.

alonzo M. was great.
so was gasol

[Prometheus]

Gasol wasn't that great on D, and Kobe won with him.

And was Shaq in 2006 really that good of a defender? I don't think so. And wade won with him.

Lakers: Bynum, Gasol, Odom. Three seven footers. Their paint defense was great because of their collective length.

'06 Heat had Shaq fresh out of his prime and still fairly dominant, and they had Alonzo backing him up. Their size and rim protection was elite, don't be ridiculous.

[livinglegend]

It becomes less of a necessity when you have excellent team defence and smart defensive players with other strengths.

translation: It becomes less of a necessity when you have Lebron

[MichaelCorleone]

translation: It becomes less of a necessity when you have Lebron
Hitting dem haters with da TRUTH.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Smoke117]

LOL I think it's hilarious the way Laker and Kobe Stans try to lower Pau's impact on the defensive end. Was he a physical defender in the mold of an Oakley or Rodman...no...but Gasol was still pretty easily the only player besides Odom (who was easily had the most impact defensively on the 08-10) who had had a signficant impact on the defense besides Bynum who was injured half the time.
Kobe Bryant coudl have chucked himself to 40ppg with a decent .560ts% and that team would have gone nowhere without Pau, Odom, and to a lesser extent Bynum. The Lakers front court was ridiculously stacked defensively with having one of the best post scorers in the league with Gasol.

[Lamar Odumbb]

Bosh averaged 1.6 blocks in the playoffs last year.

Pau averaged 2.0 blocks in the 2010 plyoffs.

Not much difference unless you count .4 as some big difference.

[aj1987]

This kid thinks Bosh isn't a star player. :oldlol:

Bosh is definitely an All-Star LEVEL player, but no way is he a superstar. Dude averaged 12/7/2 over the entire '13 Playoffs. Wade averaged more than that and he had 3 bone bruises, which absolutely limited his game. Dude is not even close to being a superstar.


alonzo M. was great.
Mourning played 10 minutes per game. He was helpful, but FAR from being great.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Gasol wasn't that great on D, and Kobe won with him.

And was Shaq in 2006 really that good of a defender? I don't think so. And wade won with him.

Gasol shut Dwight down in the playoffs. This after he looked like Shaq against every one Cleveland tossed at him in the ECF.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Bosh is definitely an All-Star LEVEL player, but no way is he a superstar. Dude averaged 12/7/2 over the entire '13 Playoffs. Wade averaged more than that and he had 3 bone bruises, which absolutely limited his game. Dude is not even close to being a superstar.


Mourning played 10 minutes per game. He was helpful, but FAR from being great.

this. Bosh is an all-star. But he sure as hell ain't no superstar.

[MrC1991]

Jordan?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Jordan
Wade
Rick Barry
Isiah
Kobe

[INDI]

...
Center is the most important in basketball and rim protection is also very important. Is he the only one to do it?

Jordan and Kobe

and No Bynum was not considered a rim protector at that time

[Twiens]

Lebron could use a rim protector, you guys are creepy as ****.


WOW :roll:

[Keno]

http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_xlarge_l/v1370863904/lebron-james-block-gif.gif

:applause:

[chocolatethunder]

Good thread, nice of you to raise this point that A LOT of people are avoiding.

The closest thing Lebron has to a "big man" is Bosh who shoots 3s and had a 0pt game 7.

Bbbb-but TeHZ hEatZ aRe sTaCkEdsszzz!!!:oldlol:
To try and say the Heat weren't and aren't stacked is just foolish. It really makes you look stupid. Please tell me how can a team with Wade, Bosh and James not be stacked? Please cry and tell me that they couldn't beat Dallas because they needed help. Grow up you whiny bitch.

[oarabbus]

http://images.thehollywoodgossip.com/iu/t_xlarge_l/v1370863904/lebron-james-block-gif.gif


To OP: no. Also see Lebron's clutch block on Duncan.

Also: :eek: at LeBron's hangtime right there, it's slomo but still

[WWRWestbrookDo?]

Birdman Birdman :roll:

[talkingconch]

didnt realize a team needs a big man to be stacked

miami fakes never cease to amaze on ISH

miami can kill you on fast breaks, ball handling, passing, behind the arc, lockdown D. lebron alone is good, paired with Wade is enough to be stacked. Add Bosh and you're pushing it

[Fudge]

Livinglegend is just...ahhh. :facepalm Too cringeworthy.

[livinglegend]

Jordan?
Grant and Rodman

[livinglegend]

didnt realize a team needs a big man to be stacked

miami fakes never cease to amaze on ISH

miami can kill you on fast breaks, ball handling, passing, behind the arc, lockdown D. lebron alone is good, paired with Wade is enough to be stacked. Add Bosh and you're pushing it

off-topic. I didnt mention ''stacked'' in this thread.

[imdaman99]

what kinda bullshit is this? he may not be the best rim protector but how many times did bosh block a tony parker layup in the finals :biggums: you think Parker was shooting 3-13s on his own :hammerhead:

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Grant and Rodman

lol, Jordan was a better at blocking shots than either of those two. Rodman was a great defensive player, but a rim protector he was not. Grant wasn't much better.

Tired of seeing people make Rodman out to be some defensive stat GOAT. Never once averaged 1 steal, nor 1 block a season in his entire career.

[plowking]

When it comes to Lebron threads, I don't even have a side in these discussions anymore. You have the idiots who will never give him his props, while the other side is the idiots who make him seem untouchable, like the idiot Jordan fans do with Jordan.

Most of the decent posters find themselves in here telling each side how wrong they are.

[Mr. Jabbar]

lebron is 1 all star in his prime rim protector away from feeling comfortable, gotta fill all the holes, king front runner at his finest

[sportjames23]

Grant and Rodman


LOL. Horace wasn't near the top in shot blocking/altering, and Dennis wasn't blocking shots NO WHERE near what he did in his Pistons days.

Nice try, doe.

[sportjames23]

When it comes to Lebron threads, I don't even have a side in these discussions anymore. You have the idiots who will never give him his props, while the other side is the idiots who make him seem untouchable, like the idiot Jordan fans do with Jordan.

Most of the decent posters find themselves in here telling each side how wrong they are.

This bitch is so fvcking mad. :lol

[Fudge]

Chris Bosh is one of the best rim protectors in the league.

[travelingman]

Making a point by acting like a 12 years old yourself? :oldlol:
My dad wouldnt suicide to show me that suicide is bad.

http://reactiongifs.me/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/MRW-the-girl-sitting-next-to-me-in-my-lecture-said-France-was-in-Africa-gary-coleman.gif

[hahaitme]

c'mon lets be real here, Bosh is NOT a superstar. LeBron and Wade are superstars, bosh is an all star

[diamenz]

jordan was the first to defy conventional wisdom in the early nineties and win without a dominant big man, in an era when the nba was still defined by dominant big men (when i say dominant i'm not talking horace grant dominant, so you can miss me with that one). lebron is the second to do it, albeit in a much less dominant big man era. not quite as impressive, but still monumental.

we're all impressed by lebron, livinglegend - take it easy on yourself.

[ILLsmak]

Making a point by acting like a 12 years old yourself? :oldlol:
My dad wouldnt suicide to show me that suicide is bad.

he would if it was necessary to save your life.

-Smak

[Bandito]

No MJ was another one.

[Bandito]

jordan was the first to defy conventional wisdom in the early nineties and win without a dominant big man, in an era when the nba was still defined by dominant big men (when i say dominant i'm not talking horace grant dominant, so you can miss me with that one). lebron is the second to do it, albeit in a much less dominant big man era. not quite as impressive, but still monumental.

we're all impressed by lebron, livinglegend - take it easy on yourself.
I thought Kobe could be another one but then the Lakers traded Caron Butler....:facepalm

[BlazerRed]

Oh god that first page was ****ing awful. Leflop dick sucking at it's worst.. couldn't read any more. Just nuke this thread :facepalm

[Out_In_Utah]

Grant and Rodman

Holy shit :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

You have been denying that Bosh is a rim protector, which I would agree with, but then proceed to go full retard by saying Rodman was for the Bulls. Rodman averaged 0.4, 0.3, and 0.2 blocks per game in his 3 seasons in Chicago. If that is a good rim protector, then LeBron had good rim protection from Wade (1.3), Joel Anthony (1.3), Turiaf (1.1), Bosh (0.8), and Battier (0.5) in the 2012 championship. Heck, 2012 Mario Chalmers averaged as much (0.2) as Rodman did in 1998.

For the record, the highest bpg from the Bulls were:
1991: Pippen with 1.1 (Jordan was 2nd in blocks at 1.0)
1992: Horace with 1.6
1993: Horace with 1.2
1996: Luc Longley with 1.4 (Salley was 2nd with 0.9 but only played 17 regular season games, and averaged 0.1 in playoffs; so the 2nd best blocker was really Pippen at 0.7)
1997: Longley with 1.1 (Dele was 0.6 but only 9 games played; and Jordan was 3rdwith 0.5 - but essentially 2nd considering Dele barely played that season)
1998: Longley with 1.1 (Pippen with 1.0)

[Prometheus]

When it comes to Lebron threads, I don't even have a side in these discussions anymore. You have the idiots who will never give him his props, while the other side is the idiots who make him seem untouchable, like the idiot Jordan fans do with Jordan.

Most of the decent posters find themselves in here telling each side how wrong they are.

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[Marlo_Stanfield]

No MJ was another one.
:facepalm :facepalm :biggums: :biggums: :wtf: :coleman:

[MichaelCorleone]

No MJ was another one.
:biggums:

[riseagainst]

the lebron stans in this thread are trying too hard.

:coleman:

[kennethgriffin]

lebrons a center









in the new soft nba where centers are 6-9 pf's...