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Jameerthefear
03-03-2014, 10:36 PM
Title.

RoundMoundOfReb
03-03-2014, 10:37 PM
Still extremely close. Could see reasonable people having it either way.

JohnFreeman
03-03-2014, 10:37 PM
Probably

LONGTIME
03-03-2014, 10:37 PM
No.

Smook A.
03-03-2014, 10:38 PM
LeBron is slightly winning the race

MichaelCorleone
03-03-2014, 10:38 PM
Yes.

bye bye kd 54


:roll: :roll: :roll:

HoopsFanNumero1
03-03-2014, 10:39 PM
He lost it when Lebron made him his bitch in their last matchup.

DMAVS41
03-03-2014, 10:39 PM
No, but the narrative has completely shifted since Lebron started talking about Mt. Rushmore...

It's hard because even when Durant was clearly the MVP...everyone still agreed Lebron was the best player.

Now Durant is no longer clearly the MVP...so you wonder if people with votes will just vote Lebron

It's borderline a total toss up now...I did not see this coming at all...

Black and White
03-03-2014, 10:40 PM
Neck and neck at the moment, but Durants chances are fading

TylerOO
03-03-2014, 10:41 PM
Itssss aa WRAPPPPPPPPPPP LEMVP LEGOD LEFATHEROFTHEYEAR LELOVE LEKING

SilkkTheShocker
03-03-2014, 10:41 PM
He lost it when Lebron made him his bitch in their last matchup.
:oldlol:

dannywpt
03-03-2014, 10:43 PM
Durant had a lead, now it's about 50/50, but Durant is playing like shit lately (compared to his january/early february or compared to Bran) so I guess it could come down to the last 10-12 games.

MichaelCorleone
03-03-2014, 10:44 PM
bye bye kd 54

kells333
03-03-2014, 10:45 PM
Kd is losing but can still win.

Jameerthefear
03-03-2014, 10:45 PM
Durant had a lead, now it's about 50/50, but Durant is playing like shit lately (compared to his january/early february or compared to Bran) so I guess it could come down to the last 10-12 games.
It's definitely not 50/50 bruh.

dannywpt
03-03-2014, 10:46 PM
No, if you count in the hype factor, like for example in the midst of a career game for LeBron, it's defintely not tied. :confusedshrug:

KyleKong
03-03-2014, 10:47 PM
After this game I'd say yes.

LeBron does everything Durant has done this season but better and more efficient.

MichaelCorleone
03-03-2014, 10:49 PM
After this game I'd say yes.

LeBron does everything Durant has done this season but better and more efficient.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

NumberSix
03-03-2014, 10:55 PM
Never had it.

Jameerthefear
03-03-2014, 10:58 PM
61 points. The King has owned the Servant.

LBJ4MVP23
03-03-2014, 10:58 PM
This is what happens when LBJ plays post all star break without Wade... GOD MODE ACTIVATED.

Btw why are people acting like what Durant has done this year, which has been amazing imo, is something that LBJ didnt do in Cleveland already? In only his third year he averaged 31.6-7-6 on 48% shooting, but people are going off because KD is doing it in his 5th year? In LBJ's 5th he averaged 30-8-7, so everyone needs to breathe easy that KD is basically doing what LBJ did minus the playmaking.

Hoopz2332
03-03-2014, 10:59 PM
He lost it when Lebron made him his bitch in their last matchup.


this:lol

Solefade
03-03-2014, 11:00 PM
Would say lebron is slightly winning now while KD continues to spiral downward a bit

CelticBaller
03-03-2014, 11:01 PM
is slipping away def, we need to kd drop 70 to be back on top

magnax1
03-03-2014, 11:01 PM
The media really wants to give Durant the MVP but it's kind of hard when Lebron is clearly the more productive player overall.

MichaelCorleone
03-03-2014, 11:01 PM
Lebron 5th MVP

Durant 0th MVP

Dat rivalry.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

DaSeba5
03-03-2014, 11:01 PM
LeBron has the lead now IMO, but it's really close. It's going to take a lot to take it away from LeBron if he plays at a high level for the rest of the season. The media will be really tempted to let him be the first player to earn an MVP in 5 of 6 years.

MUGEN
03-03-2014, 11:03 PM
Season isn't over yet :confusedshrug:

Lebron is in the lead now tho for sure

Nash
03-03-2014, 11:16 PM
Lebron 5th MVP

Durant 0th MVP

Dat rivalry.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
you need to hit the ban

leMVP
03-03-2014, 11:19 PM
KD gets the sixers tmr.

I bet he will try to go for 50+.

But i think that Lebron will get again, easier schedule, More momentum, Wade's maintence program, And Bosh's medicore form right now.

HoopsFanNumero1
03-03-2014, 11:21 PM
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/225/9/c/kevin_durant__second_by_r3dtheballer_designs-d6hztm8.jpg

Gonna have to wait a couple more years.

inclinerator
03-03-2014, 11:21 PM
cruise mode deactivated

russwest0
03-03-2014, 11:21 PM
61 points. The King has owned the Servant.

Shit, Melo owned the Servant too. Did you see him drop 62 on the Bobcats? :lol :lol :lol

LeGOAT
03-03-2014, 11:22 PM
http://gifpinner.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/basketball-animated-gif-sports-gifs-giphy-1390782860g8n4k.gif

Seriously though, it's neck and neck

Smook A.
03-03-2014, 11:22 PM
Lebron 5th MVP

Durant 0th MVP

Dat rivalry.:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqpdjz5hmA1r0ftodo1_500.gif

rlsmooth775
03-03-2014, 11:23 PM
[QUOTE=russwest0]Shit, Melo owned the Servant too. Did you see him drop 62 on the Bobcats? :lol :lol :lol[/QUO

Lebron had the best game of the season

HoopsFanNumero1
03-03-2014, 11:23 PM
Shit, Melo owned the Servant too. Did you see him drop 62 on the Bobcats? :lol :lol :lol

Actually, both Melo and Lebron have consistently owned Servant throughout their career :lol

NumberSix
03-03-2014, 11:26 PM
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/225/9/c/kevin_durant__second_by_r3dtheballer_designs-d6hztm8.jpg

Gonna have to wait a couple more years.
Hence......

Deux-rant.

Marlo_Stanfield
03-03-2014, 11:26 PM
Actually, both Melo and Lebron have consistently owned Servant throughout their career :lol
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Trollsmasher
03-03-2014, 11:27 PM
Actually, both Melo and Lebron have consistently owned Servant throughout their career :lol
:lebronamazed:

Jameerthefear
03-03-2014, 11:31 PM
Actually, both Melo and Lebron have consistently owned Servant throughout their career :lol
:lol

JohnFreeman
03-03-2014, 11:33 PM
Actually, both Melo and Lebron have consistently owned Servant throughout their career :lol
:oldlol:

russwest0
03-03-2014, 11:35 PM
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/225/9/c/kevin_durant__second_by_r3dtheballer_designs-d6hztm8.jpg

Gonna have to wait a couple more years.

LeBron second seed in the worst conference of all time, second in all basic metrics this season like PER.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Glad his statement game this season was vs the Bobcats tho

HoopsFanNumero1
03-03-2014, 11:36 PM
LeBron second seed in the worst conference of all time, second in all basic metrics this season like PER.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Glad his statement game this season was vs the Bobcats tho

Herp Derp :cletus:

dannysc305
03-03-2014, 11:36 PM
As of today Durant has officially lost his lead for MVP, and LeBron has at the very least tied the race.

MichaelCorleone
03-03-2014, 11:37 PM
Actually, both Melo and Lebron have consistently owned Servant throughout their career :lol
:roll: :roll: :roll: :applause:

ClutchOver9000
03-03-2014, 11:37 PM
KD better shape up if he wants to win his 1st MVP cuz he's slipping. He's about to let LBJ snatch his 5th from right under his nose...

AnaheimLakers24
03-03-2014, 11:37 PM
durcant is folding like a chair. dont know why people always have hope on this melo 2.0 to beat bran.

dannysc305
03-03-2014, 11:38 PM
LeBron second seed in the worst conference of all time, second in all basic metrics this season like PER.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Glad his statement game this season was vs the Bobcats tho


No his statement came in the Thunder game

MichaelCorleone
03-03-2014, 11:38 PM
As of today Durant has officially lost his lead for MVP, and LeBron has at the very least tied the race.
This.

I.R.Beast
03-03-2014, 11:42 PM
No, but the narrative has completely shifted since Lebron started talking about Mt. Rushmore...

It's hard because even when Durant was clearly the MVP...everyone still agreed Lebron was the best player.

Now Durant is no longer clearly the MVP...so you wonder if people with votes will just vote Lebron

It's borderline a total toss up now...I did not see this coming at all...
What are you talking about... Durant has 7 more 40+ point games than lebron does...has the most 30+ points games..more triple doubles than lebron and has dominated the league for 2 months...has better stats than lebron and all that without Westbrook.... Durant is still clearly the MVP if we're logical people...

HoopsFanNumero1
03-03-2014, 11:43 PM
What are you talking about... Durant has 7 more 40+ point games than lebron does...has the most 30+ points games..more triple doubles than lebron and has dominated the league for 2 months...has better stats than lebron and all that without Westbrook.... Durant is still clearly the MVP if we're logical people...

Stick to your russwest account.

I.R.Beast
03-03-2014, 11:43 PM
No his statement came in the Thunder game

you mean the revenge game to make up for what KD did to him in the first game?..

DMAVS41
03-03-2014, 11:45 PM
What are you talking about... Durant has 7 more 40+ point games than lebron does...has the most 30+ points games..more triple doubles than lebron and has dominated the league for 2 months...has better stats than lebron and all that without Westbrook.... Durant is still clearly the MVP if we're logical people...

You clearly missed the point.

I even said Durant still deserves MVP...but the narrative has changed. And the narrative is really important.

And the 2nd half of the year in a close race is just going to matter more as well.

And so while Durant is still the deserving MVP in my opinion, it's a borderline toss up even if we are logical people after tonight's game by Lebron

And the voters aren't always fair and logical...if the season were to end tomorrow. I think Lebron would slightly edge out Durant...and I'd disagree with it...just saying

Fox
03-03-2014, 11:58 PM
you mean the revenge game to make up for what KD did to him in the first game?..

Nah, the only revenge was in play in the first game. Durant had to make up, yet again, for the humilitation he suffered in the Finals against LeBron.

LeBron doesn't worry. He knows he is the better player. The only one focused on getting even is Durant. But he's not good enough. LeBron is ahead in the MVP race now.

I.R.Beast
03-04-2014, 12:46 AM
Nah, the only revenge was in play in the first game. Durant had to make up, yet again, for the humilitation he suffered in the Finals against LeBron.

LeBron doesn't worry. He knows he is the better player. The only one focused on getting even is Durant. But he's not good enough. LeBron is ahead in the MVP race now.
with durant having the better stats?...right...2 weeks wipes away 2 months....smh...

SilkkTheShocker
03-04-2014, 01:10 AM
Herp Derp :cletus:

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


Cletus :oldlol: :oldlol:

Fox
03-04-2014, 02:08 AM
with durant having the better stats?...right...2 weeks wipes away 2 months....smh...

lol @ 2 weeks. Maybe if you stop being selective being will listen to you.

Hint: It's been a lot longer than 2 weeks.

LeBron is better than Durant. You know, I know. Stop being a dimwit.

JebronLames
03-04-2014, 02:14 AM
You clearly missed the point.

I even said Durant still deserves MVP...but the narrative has changed. And the narrative is really important.

And the 2nd half of the year in a close race is just going to matter more as well.

And so while Durant is still the deserving MVP in my opinion, it's a borderline toss up even if we are logical people after tonight's game by Lebron

And the voters aren't always fair and logical...if the season were to end tomorrow. I think Lebron would slightly edge out Durant...and I'd disagree with it...just saying
:applause:

Solefade
03-04-2014, 05:52 AM
LeBron second seed in the worst conference of all time, second in all basic metrics this season like PER.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Glad his statement game this season was vs the Bobcats tho


the worst conference that's probably goign to win the championship again 3 years in a row :oldlol:

AI Thornton
03-04-2014, 05:55 AM
What the fvck does "tide closed" mean?

MMM
03-04-2014, 06:27 AM
What the fvck does "tide closed" mean?

obv meant tide turned
he is from bama doe other than roll tide he probably has no idea what tide means.

GoSpursGo1984
03-04-2014, 06:53 AM
Lebron is closing the gap but you just can not erase for more then half the year much of it without Westbrook.

dabigbaws
03-04-2014, 07:56 AM
KD in the lead.

Marlo_Stanfield
03-04-2014, 08:10 AM
KD in the lead.
http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

Im Still Ballin
03-04-2014, 08:17 AM
http://cdn.niketalk.com/2/2f/350x700px-LL-2ff5111e_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

This.

KD stans delusional as usual

ImKobe
03-04-2014, 08:20 AM
LeBron is coming for the MVP. Durant made his case with his heat streak in January and Lebron has answered. Now it's KD's turn to respond.

Nash
03-04-2014, 08:41 AM
Durant had that one month, at the beginning of the season he was not playing well, shooting below 50% and just looking even worse this season. He had that awesome month but Lebron was always right behind him playing at a high level at all times. Durant did well without Westbrook but Lebron is also having to deal with Wade taking games off and if this maintenance program continues for Wade he will have missed as many games as Westbrook did at the end of the season.

Now, Lebron is having his awesome month and with that he's shooting at 58% which is just unheard of by a perimeter player, he is leading his team in ppg, apg and rpg while Miami is rolling and if they keep this play going he will be getting his 5th trophy.

StrongLurk
03-04-2014, 09:43 AM
I still have Durant ahead in the MVP by a hairline.

Hoopz2332
03-04-2014, 10:22 AM
lbj...better reb and ast rate.

http://i.imgur.com/itgtzHT.png

far better scoring w/o the aid of ft's. Durant takes 3 more shots and 2 more Ft's just to get only a 3-4 point seperation in 2 more minutes time.

http://i.imgur.com/8qmJdoW.png


LBJ's FG% is godly:eek:

Jailblazers7
03-04-2014, 10:42 AM
It is even right now. It will all come down to the final 1/3 of the season. If Lebron plays great and ends up stealing the 1 seed from Indy then KD has no chance at the MVP.

People keep referencing KD carrying the team without Westbrook but Lebron has been putting the team on his back all year so that Wade can pick his spots and sit out like 15 games already.

greymatter
03-04-2014, 11:03 AM
Just 3 games ago, Durant had slightly over 1pt on Lebron in PER. After this 61pt game coupled with Durant's recent lousy shooting games, Lebron is now 0.07 pts behind.

Cleverness
03-04-2014, 11:05 AM
It's very close. I think the media will lean towards giving it to Durant over LeBron because Durant doesn't have any MVPs. But there are still 20+ games to be played.

Marlo_Stanfield
03-04-2014, 11:12 AM
lbj...better reb and ast rate.

http://i.imgur.com/itgtzHT.png

far better scoring w/o the aid of ft's. Durant takes 3 more shots and 2 more Ft's just to get only a 3-4 point seperation in 2 more minutes time.

http://i.imgur.com/8qmJdoW.png


LBJ's FG% is godly:eek:
dat FT shooting doe:roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm :facepalm :wtf: :biggums:

Marlo_Stanfield
03-04-2014, 11:13 AM
It's very close. I think the media will lean towards giving it to Durant over LeBron because Durant doesn't have any MVPs. But there are still 20+ games to be played.
Media could also try to make bron the new MJ.
with 5 MVPS before turning 30 and a possible 3rd title too he certainly has a case:applause: :applause:

NumberSix
03-04-2014, 11:28 AM
Media could also try to make bron the new MJ.
with 5 MVPS before turning 30 and a possible 3rd title too he certainly has a case:applause: :applause:
Wow. I just realized that. 5 MVPs and still in his 20s. Jeez. That would be fcuking ridiculous.


Should be 6 though.

hybridLB
03-04-2014, 11:35 AM
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/225/9/c/kevin_durant__second_by_r3dtheballer_designs-d6hztm8.jpg

Gonna have to wait a couple more years.


Anthony Davis Says Hi :coleman:

BoutPractice
03-04-2014, 11:38 AM
It's a race, which plays to Durant's advantage. To win the MVP LeBron would have to decisively overtake him.

tmacattack33
03-04-2014, 11:40 AM
It's a race, which plays to Durant's advantage. To win the MVP LeBron would have to decisively overtake him.

What

ArbitraryWater
03-04-2014, 11:42 AM
It's a race, which plays to Durant's advantage. To win the MVP LeBron would have to decisively overtake him.


https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1456562_576122452441592_756715059_n.jpg

Marlo_Stanfield
03-04-2014, 11:46 AM
Wow. I just realized that. 5 MVPs and still in his 20s. Jeez. That would be fcuking ridiculous.


Should be 6 though.
:applause: :applause: :bowdown:

NumberSix
03-04-2014, 11:49 AM
It's a race, which plays to Durant's advantage. To win the MVP LeBron would have to decisively overtake him.
That ship has sailed.

Dave3
03-04-2014, 11:49 AM
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1456562_576122452441592_756715059_n.jpg
He's saying it plays to Durant's advantage - ie. if it's a close/tied race, Durant will get the votes, since he has none and LeBron already has 4 (and the last 2). Hence why LeBron would have to play much better to win it.

Alan Ogg
03-04-2014, 11:51 AM
It's about even right now. Both players are deserving. But LeBron has the momentum with the HEAT ripping off 8 in a row. It all comes down to who has the best record for me, especially if it ends up being the best record in the league.

NumberSix
03-04-2014, 11:51 AM
He's saying it plays to Durant's advantage - ie. if it's a close/tied race, Durant will get the votes, since he has none and LeBron already has 4 (and the last 2). Hence why LeBron would have to play much better to win it.
I thought that was true last year, but I don't this year. Media members don't want really give it to Durant anymore. Not after his beta mentality he's displaying.

SexSymbol
03-04-2014, 11:56 AM
LeBron is just using the situation, a.k.a. taking the easier way.
As the season winds down, he's playing the prisoner of the moment card.
Durant has better stats, similar record if not identical in a much tougher conference, and has played the majority of the season without his second best player. Durant has also way more amazing games this season than LeBron, and has been consistently good on defense, something that LeBron can't say too. The only thing that got LeBron back in the race is using the given situation, as westbrook came back, LeBron stepped it up, Durant gets less shots, so his stats will be back to earth again, and people, usually being the prisoners of the moment, will vote for the one who has only been really good as of late.
It's good that MVP isn't a serious award, otherwise, this could be the robbery of the century if they are equal the rest of the way, and LBJ wins.

NumberSix
03-04-2014, 11:58 AM
LeBron is just using the situation, a.k.a. taking the easier way.
As the season winds down, he's playing the prisoner of the moment card.
Durant has better stats, similar record if not identical in a much tougher conference, and has played the majority of the season without his second best player. Durant has also way more amazing games this season than LeBron, and has been consistently good on defense, something that LeBron can't say too. The only thing that got LeBron back in the race is using the given situation, as westbrook came back, LeBron stepped it up, Durant gets less shots, so his stats will be back to earth again, and people, usually being the prisoners of the moment, will vote for the one who has only been really good as of late.
It's good that MVP isn't a serious award, otherwise, this could be the robbery of the century if they are equal the rest of the way, and LBJ wins.
Sorry, but no. Try again.

Dave3
03-04-2014, 12:04 PM
I thought that was true last year, but I don't this year. Media members don't want really give it to Durant anymore. Not after his beta mentality he's displaying.
It's just as true this year, and it's definitely closer this year considering what Durant did without Westbrook.

As for "beta mentality" people in real life don't actually talk like that, it's just an ISH fad, so it has no effect on the voters.

Nuff Said
03-04-2014, 12:07 PM
It's funny. 3 years ago no one on here would be rooting for lebron. Seems like you were all wrong and coming to Miami was the best thing for him to do. He's certainly turned the lot of you around and has gained more supporters now that he's winning.

SexSymbol
03-04-2014, 12:25 PM
Sorry, but no. Try again.
Of course he does, what are you talking about o.O

NumberSix
03-04-2014, 12:26 PM
Of course he does, what are you talking about o.O
Explain how?

ArbitraryWater
03-04-2014, 12:32 PM
LeBron is just using the situation, a.k.a. taking the easier way.
As the season winds down, he's playing the prisoner of the moment card.
Durant has better stats, similar record if not identical in a much tougher conference, and has played the majority of the season without his second best player. Durant has also way more amazing games this season than LeBron, and has been consistently good on defense, something that LeBron can't say too. The only thing that got LeBron back in the race is using the given situation, as westbrook came back, LeBron stepped it up, Durant gets less shots, so his stats will be back to earth again, and people, usually being the prisoners of the moment, will vote for the one who has only been really good as of late.
It's good that MVP isn't a serious award, otherwise, this could be the robbery of the century if they are equal the rest of the way, and LBJ wins.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1/1795575_1415144462068152_485846847_n.jpg

Hoopz2332
03-04-2014, 12:33 PM
Durant has better stats, s


no he doesn't. he just has higher volume scoring because he takes more shots. lebron has better rebounding and ast rates. The 2 min difference in game time is whats makes Durants raw avgs look better.

AintNoSunshine
03-04-2014, 12:36 PM
First of all, there's still a long way to go.

But right now, Lebron is riding on a rocket while KD is standing still pretty much, if Lebron keeps on doing crazy sh!t like this, he's gonna win his 5th. But I kinda doubt he can keep it up for 20+ games.

Hoopz2332
03-04-2014, 12:36 PM
dat FT shooting doe

:oldlol: The FT's are what's boosting Durant scoring and Ts%

These were their stats before their last head to head meeting and the post I made then abou the MVP race


that Lebron's raw avgs are lower only because of the 1 min difference in court time and Durant taking 3 more shots and 2 more FT's per game. If you look at their rates going into last nights showdown....


http://i.imgur.com/Unsj468.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LEDrgR2.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/xz6Zn54.png

http://i.imgur.com/y2Cqsy6.png

LBJ is

- less dependant on FT's

- better rebounder

-better playmaker

- flat out putting the ball in hoop at basically a .070 % points higher:eek:



To make the PPG gap look better, all LBJ has t doo is take an extra 2-3 shots or Durant take 2-3 less shots. With Westbrook back, Im betting on the latter to happen before LBJ would ever think about chucking (he only avg around 15 shots per game for most of the season).

LBJ coming for that MVP

SexSymbol
03-04-2014, 12:37 PM
Explain how?
Kevin Durant has the edge in points per game by 4.1. He also edges LeBron out in rebounds and blocks, they have the same SPG.
LeBron holds a small lead on him in assists and FG percent, though TS% is very similar.
Kevin Durant holds WS, PER and other stupid pointless stat leads aswell.
I don't really give a **** about the MVP award, it's pointless anyway, why the **** am I arguing about it.
All that matters is who wins the championship, LeBron solidifies himself as top 9 with a third title, Durant becomes the best player in the league with his first title, this is all that matters, you play the game to win. I'm out

BoutPractice
03-04-2014, 12:38 PM
What
Not really "what" worthy, this is just common sense. I wasn't referring to LeBron overtaking Durant as a player... here it's the other way around, Durant is the one that needs to do the overtaking...

But speaking strictly about MVPs, Durant is the easy sell, the easy narrative due to voter fatigue. As long as there's a good argument for both, Durant has a higher chance of winning it. LeBron needs to be even more exceptional than usual to win it this time around - he needs to turn an argument into a foregone conclusion.

I'm not saying he should score more points, but securing higher rebounds and assists per game, plus being the number one seed in the East (or even better, finishing with a better record thank OKC, but I doubt that happens) would seal the deal. Then the case for Durant would be very thin. He'd only have the scoring, a few games, and the without Westbrook/without Wade comparison going for him...

You're all acting as if LeBron will keep playing like he did the last month, and Durant will keep dipping. Yet in January you were all acting as though Durant would keep playing like this and LeBron would stay behind. The truth is, it's a long season. There are runs, up and down stretches. What will matter is what the complete picture looks like at the end: the averages, the stats, and the final impression. Until then, it most definitely is a race.

plowking
03-04-2014, 12:38 PM
no he doesn't. he just has higher volume scoring because he takes more shots. lebron has better rebounding and ast rates. The 2 min difference in game time is whats makes Durants raw avgs look better.

Durant playing more minutes than Lebron doesn't hurt his case, it strengthens it. You're not valuable to your team sitting out. Its like when people say that a players case for MVP has grown when they sit out and the team loses... :oldlol: ... Nah, they would have had a chance to win if he was out there, playing like the possible MVP.

I'd still give the MVP to Durant at the moment.

SexSymbol
03-04-2014, 12:39 PM
no he doesn't. he just has higher volume scoring because he takes more shots. lebron has better rebounding and ast rates. The 2 min difference in game time is whats makes Durants raw avgs look better.
The fact that Durant has to play that extra time just gives him more ground to win the MVP.

Hoopz2332
03-04-2014, 12:41 PM
Durant playing more minutes than Lebron doesn't hurt his case, it strengthens it. You're not valuable to your team sitting out. Its like when people say that a players case for MVP has grown when they sit out and the team loses... :oldlol: ... Nah, they would have had a chance to win if he was out there, playing like the possible MVP.

I'd still give the MVP to Durant at the moment.


Im saying the extra 2 minutes is giving his raw stats a little extra padding and it shows clearly in their rebound and ast rates where lebron is better. If lebron plyed that extra 2 minutes per games his raw stats would be like

28-29 pts 8 rbs 7 ast

plowking
03-04-2014, 12:42 PM
LOL, the same people who keep harping on how the MVP means nothing, and its a pointless award are the ones that post most about it, and seem most invested in making sure certain players win and others don't.


There is a simple reason for their actions, and its because they actually know that the MVP is the most prestigious and highly acclaimed award in the NBA, bar none.
It is the pinnacle of what you want to achieve individually as a player.

NumberSix
03-04-2014, 12:42 PM
Durant simply doesn't have the impact and relies too heavily on soft officiating.

Marlo_Stanfield
03-04-2014, 12:42 PM
Durant playing more minutes than Lebron doesn't hurt his case, it strengthens it. You're not valuable to your team sitting out. Its like when people say that a players case for MVP has grown when they sit out and the team loses... :oldlol: ... Nah, they would have had a chance to win if he was out there, playing like the possible MVP.

I'd still give the MVP to Durant at the moment.
always trying to appear as an anti LeBron stan i see:roll: :roll: :roll:

plowking
03-04-2014, 12:43 PM
Im saying the extra 2 minutes is giving his raw stats a little extra padding and it shows clearly in their rebound and ast rates where lebron is better. If lebron plyed that extra 2 minutes per games his raw stats would be like

28-29 pts 8 rbs 7 ast

Yeah, but Durant is statistically better, plays more, and hence is more valuable.

Bron isn't valuable when he is off the court. The fact he has missed a couple games, and he plays less minutes works against his case.

Hoopz2332
03-04-2014, 12:43 PM
The fact that Durant has to play that extra time just gives him more ground to win the MVP.


No it doesn't:oldlol:

plowking
03-04-2014, 12:44 PM
always trying to appear as an anti LeBron stan i see:roll: :roll: :roll:

Nah, maybe just more level headed than you.

SilkkTheShocker
03-04-2014, 12:46 PM
always trying to appear as an anti LeBron stan i see:roll: :roll: :roll:

He used to be a big time LeBron hater. Even said he would win zero titles at one point. But he has cooled down.

plowking
03-04-2014, 12:53 PM
He used to be a big time LeBron hater. Even said he would win zero titles at one point. But he has cooled down.

Wrong. I said he wouldn't win one title. And I was correct. He has won 2.

SilkkTheShocker
03-04-2014, 12:54 PM
Wrong. I said he wouldn't win one title. And I was correct. He has won 2.


Lets not twist it around. You used to bash LeBron to prop up Wade all the time pre-2010. Not judging, Wade was underrated for sure. But you were most definitely on of the bigger LeBron haters on here.

NumberSix
03-04-2014, 12:55 PM
Wrong. I said he wouldn't win one title. And I was correct. He has won 2.
Deuxrant is tied for least titles in NBA history.

plowking
03-04-2014, 12:58 PM
Lets not twist it around. You used to bash LeBron to prop up Wade all the time pre-2010. Not judging, Wade was underrated for sure. But you were most definitely on of the bigger LeBron haters on here.

I didn't like him, but then again, why would I? He didn't play for the Heat.

Hes now my favorite player along with Beasley, so...

Marlo_Stanfield
03-04-2014, 01:12 PM
Yeah, but Durant is statistically better, plays more, and hence is more valuable.

Bron isn't valuable when he is off the court. The fact he has missed a couple games, and he plays less minutes works against his case.
wtf is wrong with u?? like seriously:biggums: :biggums:
Heat fan acting like Durants raw stats are better:coleman:

SexSymbol
03-04-2014, 01:16 PM
wtf is wrong with u?? like seriously:biggums: :biggums:
Heat fan acting like Durants raw stats are better:coleman:
Because they are, it's obvious.

NumberSix
03-04-2014, 02:17 PM
Because they are, it's obvious.
Nope. LeBron's efficiency is better than Durants couple extra points.

The gap in efficiency from LeBron to KD is bigger than the gap from Durant to Melo.

There's an 8% gap between LeBron and KD
There a 5% gap between Durant and Melo

KyleKong
03-04-2014, 02:19 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=sportsnation&pollId=4214561

OKC :lol

ArbitraryWater
03-04-2014, 02:20 PM
Wrong. I said he wouldn't win one title. And I was correct. He has won 2.

That again :lol Cmon bro

Hoopz2332
03-04-2014, 02:23 PM
http://espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=sportsnation&pollId=4214561

OKC :lol


http://i.imgur.com/dYRRnAg.png

:oldlol:

Marlo_Stanfield
03-04-2014, 02:37 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dYRRnAg.png

:oldlol:
http://img.pandawhale.com/79936-jonah-hill-I-cant-handle-it-gi-CdPU.gif

SexSymbol
03-04-2014, 02:59 PM
Nope. LeBron's efficiency is better than Durants couple extra points.

The gap in efficiency from LeBron to KD is bigger than the gap from Durant to Melo.

There's an 8% gap between LeBron and KD
There a 5% gap between Durant and Melo
I'm sorry, but you have to look at the TS% numbers when comparing different types of players. LeBron plays inside much more than Durant, of course his pure FG% gonna skyrocket.
A jumpshooter will probably never average close to 60 percent, I don't even think it's humanly possible. Look at the context, man.

gts
03-04-2014, 03:01 PM
MVP race is still wide open... nothing has been settled

KrizMiz
03-04-2014, 03:19 PM
whoever plays better the last 2 weeks of the season will win mvp

like always, and noone cares about this stupid award...

SavageMode
03-04-2014, 03:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/dYRRnAg.png

:oldlol:
Don't do em like that :roll:

MavsSuperFan
03-04-2014, 03:21 PM
Lebron is actually in the lead now.

MavsSuperFan
03-04-2014, 03:25 PM
It's funny. 3 years ago no one on here would be rooting for lebron. Seems like you were all wrong and coming to Miami was the best thing for him to do. He's certainly turned the lot of you around and has gained more supporters now that he's winning.
Of course it was the best thing for him to do.
People hated cause it would and did hurt the league. Also destroyed competitive balance.

scm5
03-04-2014, 04:03 PM
Durant has Westbrook to thank for this...

Nuff Said
03-04-2014, 04:18 PM
Of course it was the best thing for him to do.
People hated cause it would and did hurt the league. Also destroyed competitive balance.
The competitive balance was already ****ed with Boston dominating the east. And ppl were saying he hurt his career/legacy. **** no he didn't. His brand is better than ever.

All Net
03-04-2014, 04:45 PM
whoever plays better the last 2 weeks of the season will win mvp

like always, and noone cares about this stupid award...

I think who has HCA will help decide things. If Miami manage to overtake Indy then I think Lebron may take it.

NumberSix
03-04-2014, 04:46 PM
Durant has Westbrook to thank for this...
Deuxrant has Westbrook to thank for making his career relevant. Before Westbrook showed up, Durant was leading his team to records of .250 and .280

Budadiiii
03-04-2014, 04:55 PM
Deuxrant has Westbrook to thank for making his career relevant. Before Westbrook showed up, Durant was leading his team to records of .250 and .280
:oldlol:

It's already catching on.... literally like 2 minutes after I made the thread.......

:applause:

ArbitraryWater
03-04-2014, 05:09 PM
:oldlol:

It's already catching on.... literally like 2 minutes after I made the thread.......

:applause:

Kay, we get it. Budadiii, man, you slippin' :cry:

Deuxrant/Kobe diehards fallin' quick

Jabbar/Buda leading the way

WallIn
03-04-2014, 06:14 PM
People won't give Lebron the MVP when they'll get tired and bored of it, just like with MJ

dunksby
03-04-2014, 06:38 PM
I thought LeBron fans didn't care about MVPs anymore, only rings?

PsychoBe
03-04-2014, 06:44 PM
durant's streak came at a time when his team was the third seed in the west. he almost single-handily sky-rocketed his team to the best record in the nba (and embarrassed bran and the heat during that run too) where his team remains as the top team in the nba at this point in time.

it'll go to whoever has the best record there's no two ways about it.

HoopsFanNumero1
03-04-2014, 06:57 PM
I thought LeBron fans didn't care about MVPs anymore, only rings?

:wtf: That's Kobetards.

poido123
03-04-2014, 07:26 PM
Deuxrant has Westbrook to thank for making his career relevant. Before Westbrook showed up, Durant was leading his team to records of .250 and .280

:facepalm

They joined the league one year apart.

Durant was a rookie on a very inexperienced team. Great job putting things into perspective. :hammerhead:

GOBB
03-04-2014, 07:44 PM
Slight edge to Durant if season ended today. Enough bball for Bron to change this. This is my opinion. Now for a more realistic view I think Bron is fighting an uphill battle. I think only 2 players may have won MVP 3 times in a row. I may be off 1, looked it up yesterday but now it seems to have escaped me. Whatever the case it happened years ago. I dont know the circumstances in which the 3rd MVP was won. I just know I remember there were times MJ could have reeled off 3 straight and didn't. I think voters instead of isolating the season itself tend to raise the bar for someone winning a 3rd. So any close race will automatically lean to the underdog so to speak. Maybe not the right word but Durant has done enough to win the award so its his to lose.

It would be cool to see Bron pull 3 in a row out. But I'm not expecting to see it for unfair reasons.

smoovegittar
03-04-2014, 10:59 PM
Hence......

Deux-rant.
clever.

DFish24
03-04-2014, 11:24 PM
LeExposed, Durant with 42 in 3 quarters.

Aussie_86
03-04-2014, 11:47 PM
how does this voting system for the MVP work in NBA? If its game to game voting surely that stretch of absolute dominance by kd gave him about 10 BOG in a row.

215Philly
03-04-2014, 11:48 PM
It's gonna be back & forth