Greatest Sixers of all time, Iverson or Wilt or Dr J

[MichaelCorleone]

I'll treat this as a poll.

I vote Iverson.

[Smook A.]

1. Julius Erving
2. Wilt Chamberlian
3. Allen Iverson

[aj1987]

Not really a fan of Wilt, but Wilt >>>>>>>>>>>

Dr. J is 2nd.

[fpliii]

Dr. J

[Rose'sACL]

Dr. J then wilt then iverson.

[CelticBaller]

DR J
dead dude
Iverson

all of them were beast doe

[miles berg]

Wilt
Dr J
Barkley
Iverson

[MichaelCorleone]

I'm tired of all these KD/Lebron/Kobe threads.

Really really intrigued as to who shares my opinion of AI as the greatest 76ers of all time.

[Smook A.]

Wilt
Dr J
Barkley
Iverson
76ers Barkley is not even close to what Allen Iverson was

[fourkicks44]

Wilt
Dr J
Barkley
Iverson

Moses > Barkley

[tmacattack33]

Iverson might not be the "greatest", but he mighta been the most entertaining.

[MichaelCorleone]

76ers Barkley is not even close to what Allen Iverson was
This.

[Rose'sACL]

Dr. J and Iverson were the most influential though. both impacted basketball even more off the court than they did on the court which is a big deal as they were great players with great stats.

[fpliii]

Anyhow, AI going into Staples and stealing the only game the peak Kobe-Shaq Lakers would lose that playoffs was incredible.

Though Shaq wrecked him in the Finals, Deke's importance in that run has long been downplayed. ThaRegul8r had a great post on his play in the Bucks series:



[quote="Rosque"][quote="therealbig3"]Well, I do consider West a PG, but these are the SGs I'd take over him all time:

-Jordan
-Kobe
-Wade
-Drexler
-T-Mac
-Gervin
-Allen
-Miller
-Manu
-Carter
I already responded to you in the other thread. Let me just copy all of the posts with stats.


Miller > AI? Dude. Really? Reggie Miller? AI averaged 26.7 points per game, 2.2 steals, 6.2 assists and 3.7 rebounds. Yeah, he wasn't that great of a shooter (3 point wise) but he was a true leade (cough NBA Finals w/ scrubs cough)

I get tired of seeing people acting like Iverson was all alone dragging scrubs with him. Dikembe Mutombo was not some scrub. The Sixers don't get to the Finals without him, and no amount of revisionist history will change that fact.

In Game 1, Mutombo had 15 points, 18 rebounds

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Mr. Fo, Fo, Fo is above Barkley as a 76er, imo.

[AngelEyes]

76ers Barkley is not even close to what Allen Iverson was

76er's Barkley was a better player than Iverson. Iverson's only argument is that he was there longer.

[oarabbus]

Wilt
Iverson
Dr. J



fvck Dr. J

[moe94]

76ers Barkley is not even close to what Allen Iverson was

:biggums:

Are you nuts?

[HylianNightmare]

as much as i love AI

Doctor J
Iverson (stan, sorry)
Wilt
Moses
Barkley

[Micku]

76ers Barkley is not even close to what Allen Iverson was

Barkley was the better player than Iverson was, but Iverson took the 76ers further than him.

Wilt, Moses Malone and Dr. J brought more to the table than both of them in terms of being apart of team success because they won a championship. Dr. J been in multiple finals and Moses Malone and Dr. J were apart of the 83 76ers, one of the best teams of all time. The 67 team is also considered to be one of the best.

Wilt probably hold the most records than them all. And probably had the best individual prime.

But I guess it's a mixture of all the above. Who has been here longer, who has brought more to the table, who stayed the most competitive for long periods of time, and who was the best player? Or...who had the most prestige during their respected time.

[houston]

dr. j he brought the team a championship

[AngelEyes]

Barkley was the better player than Iverson was, but Iverson took the 76ers further than him.

Wilt, Moses Malone and Dr. J brought more to the table than both of them in terms of being apart of team success because they won a championship. Dr. J been in multiple finals and Moses Malone and Dr. J were apart of the 83 76ers, one of the best teams of all time. The 67 team is also considered to be one of the best.

Wilt probably hold the most records than them all. And probably had the best individual prime.

But I guess it's a mixture of all the above. Who has been here longer, who has brought more to the table, who stayed the most competitive for long periods of time, and who was the best player? Or...who had the most prestige during their respected time.

Barkley was going against teams that were light years better than the teams Iverson faced. He was going against Bird's Celtics, Isiah's Pistons and Jordan's Bulls. Iverson that year was going against Ray Allen's Bucks and Vince Carter's Raptors. Not even close to same kind of competition.

[Micku]

Barkley was going against teams that were light years better than the teams Iverson faced. He was going against Bird's Celtics, Isiah's Pistons and Jordan's Bulls. Iverson that year was going against Ray Allen's Bucks and Vince Carter's Raptors. Not even close to same kind of competition.

Yeah, I'm not questioning that. I'm just analysis what each player did in their respective era. But you're right that the competition in the East was better in the early 00s. Depending on the year, I think there were multiple teams in the 80s that didn't make it to the Finals that could beat the 01 76ers. At least they were way more talented than that team.

[sportsfan76]

Mr. Fo, Fo, Fo is above Barkley as a 76er, imo.



Iverson is over Doc


And I will leave it at that

[longhornfan1234]

dr. j he brought the team a championship

So did Wilt. Moses was the best player on '83 team.

[Dr.J4ever]

Barkley was the better player than Iverson was, but Iverson took the 76ers further than him.

Wilt, Moses Malone and Dr. J brought more to the table than both of them in terms of being apart of team success because they won a championship. Dr. J been in multiple finals and Moses Malone and Dr. J were apart of the 83 76ers, one of the best teams of all time. The 67 team is also considered to be one of the best.

Wilt probably hold the most records than them all. And probably had the best individual prime.

But I guess it's a mixture of all the above. Who has been here longer, who has brought more to the table, who stayed the most competitive for long periods of time, and who was the best player? Or...who had the most prestige during their respected time.
While I love the Doc, Wilt is the best Sixer of all time. This is from someone who never saw Wilt in real time, but the stories about him and his stats in the Philly area are legendary. Wilt battled those great Celtic teams, and while coming away a loser most of the time, when he finally broke through, the Sixers had built one of the great teams in NBA history.

The Sixers-Celtics rivalry used to be as good as any in sports, and it was due to those battles in the 60s. Now Doc is 2nd best because he continued the rivalry, and came away beating Bird in a fair share of H2H battles in the Playoffs. Then of course, Doc also won a title in 1983.

So it's 1.Wilt 2. Doc 3. Moses 4.Iverson 5.Barkley.. Except for Wilt, I saw them all. Andrew Toney could have been a beast.

[Audio One]

Iverson was outscoring Barkley in slower-paced leagues, and has four scoring titles in the same timespan. Higher career ppg and totals points scored. Neither are lockdown defenders, but Iverson was a better defender, as evidenced by his two Big East DPOY honors from Georgetown, and his three steals titles, two of which came when he was leading the league in minutes, and was top-3 in scoring. He led his collegiate teams further, and is still the Hoyas all-time leading scorer. His '01 run beats anything Barkley ever did. He's led the league in scoring, steals, minutes, and top-5 in dimes all in the same 82 . Iverson and Jordan only 2 players to score at least 50 twice in same playoff series. Jordan, Wilt and Iverson only players with at least 3 50 point playoff games. Iverson most steals in a playoff game. Iverson 4 straight seasons Top 10 scoring and assists. Jordan and Iverson only players to lead the NBA in scoring and steals at least twice in the same season. Iverson and Jordan highest usage rate in a season Jordan 88 and Iverson 2001. Second highest ppg average in playoff history. He had better discipline, he had more skill, his will to win was unquestionably better. I love both, don't get me wrong, I just give the nod to Iverson for doing what he did, in a tougher era, while being just 5'11 or so, in a league which Barkley had it easier, remember they created the five-second b2tb rule because of Barkley. Someone'll bring up efficiency, but we already saw what he could do when handchecking was vanquished, 33-3-7.5 on 45% with two steals :applause:

[sd3035]

Iverson and Michael Jordan are the two greatest competitors I have ever watched play the game

[Audio One]

In my opinion:

Stilt


Iverson
Barkley
Moses
Erving

I personally think Erving gets overrated a lot due to his ABA career

[Audio One]

While I love the Doc, Wilt is the best Sixer of all time. This is from someone who never saw Wilt in real time, but the stories about him and his stats in the Philly area are legendary. Wilt battled those great Celtic teams, and while coming away a loser most of the time, when he finally broke through, the Sixers had built one of the great teams in NBA history.

The Sixers-Celtics rivalry used to be as good as any in sports, and it was due to those battles in the 60s. Now Doc is 2nd best because he continued the rivalry, and came away beating Bird in a fair share of H2H battles in the Playoffs. Then of course, Doc also won a title in 1983.

So it's 1.Wilt 2. Doc 3. Moses 4.Iverson 5.Barkley.. Except for Wilt, I saw them all. Andrew Toney could have been a beast.

I'd like to hear your take on why Moses and Dr. J are better than Iverson, 'cause personally I just don't see it.

[Micku]

Iverson was outscoring Barkley in slower-paced leagues, and has four scoring titles in the same timespan. Higher career ppg and totals points scored. Neither are lockdown defenders, but Iverson was a better defender, as evidenced by his two Big East DPOY honors from Georgetown, and his three steals titles, two of which came when he was leading the league in minutes, and was top-3 in scoring. He led his collegiate teams further, and is still the Hoyas all-time leading scorer. His '01 run beats anything Barkley ever did. He's led the league in scoring, steals, minutes, and top-5 in dimes all in the same 82 . Iverson and Jordan only 2 players to score at least 50 twice in same playoff series. Jordan, Wilt and Iverson only players with at least 3 50 point playoff games. Iverson most steals in a playoff game. Iverson 4 straight seasons Top 10 scoring and assists. Jordan and Iverson only players to lead the NBA in scoring and steals at least twice in the same season. Iverson and Jordan highest usage rate in a season Jordan 88 and Iverson 2001. Second highest ppg average in playoff history. He had better discipline, he had more skill, his will to win was unquestionably better. I love both, don't get me wrong, I just give the nod to Iverson for doing what he did, in a tougher era, while being just 5'11 or so, in a league which Barkley had it easier, remember they created the five-second b2tb rule because of Barkley. Someone'll bring up efficiency, but we already saw what he could do when handchecking was vanquished, 33-3-7.5 on 45% with two steals :applause:

I'm curious of what you mean about tougher era?

I don't think you meant the teams or competition factor because Barkley competed against tougher teams in his era than Iverson did in his. Plus, Barkley played PF, so he was a 6'6 undersize power forward going up against bigger guys and outrebounding them.

[Audio One]

I'm curious of what you mean about tougher era?

I don't think you meant the teams or competition factor because Barkley competed against tougher teams in his era than Iverson did in his. Plus, Barkley played PF, so he was a 6'6 undersize power forward going up against bigger guys and outrebounding them.

Ok, Barkley's peak was from 88-93. During those years, his competition was at least equal to the competition of Iverson's, probably better, so I concede that. I was referring to the pace, and how the rules were more favorable to big men, UpChuck. Iverson's prime coincided during the rugby-league era, with handchecking, and comparable talent league-wide, while giving up 6.5 inches at least. Iverson had it harder than Barkley, and still got his, so that for me gives him the tiny edge

[PHILA]

One forgotten name here is Hal Greer, he is certainly in the discussion.


-10x All Star
-Sixers All Time Leading Scorer
-NBA Champion (1967)


http://www.nba.com/history/players/greer_bio.html

"If there were an award given for a player who is most respected by basketball insiders, while getting the minimum public appreciation, Greer could win hands down."

[Dr.J4ever]

One forgotten name here is Hal Greer, he is certainly in the discussion.


-10x All Star
-Sixers All Time Leading Scorer
-NBA Champion (1967)


http://www.nba.com/history/players/greer_bio.html

"If there were an award given for a player who is most respected by basketball insiders, while getting the minimum public appreciation, Greer could win hands down."
His number has been retired in the rafters so yes, he is one of the best ever. Honestly, it's hard to discuss players I never saw, but from all accounts from the older guys, he's right up there.

[oarabbus]

In my opinion:

Stilt


Iverson
Barkley
Moses
Erving

I personally think Erving gets overrated a lot due to his ABA career

:applause:

Also overrated because of his "GOAT aesthetic style" which is highly overrated anyway; he's neither the best dunker nor the most aesthetically pleasing player.

[Dr.J4ever]

I'd like to hear your take on why Moses and Dr. J are better than Iverson, 'cause personally I just don't see it.
I'm a big admirer of Iverson. I will never forget his legendary will to win. His will to win was as good as any player in history, and that includes Michael. AI was a scoring machine of the first order.

However, at the end of the day, it's about winning. That to me is purpose for creating stats, and having a great will, and that is TO WIN GAMES. AI won many games, and led the Sixers to the Finals, but it wasn't enough. Why?
Many factors, but some of them had to do with AI himself. As great as he was, he also suppressed his teammates abilities at times.

AI got teamed with Stackhouse, Kukoch, Robinson, Coleman, and maybe a few I forgot, but these scorers never had their best games with AI. None of these players will think they had their best years with AI. The game has a lot to do with making your teammates better, and AI sadly didn't always do that.

AI didn't always want to win "the right way", like Larry Brown would say. AI was selfish at times, and didn't play defense at an acceptable level during other times. It's not about assists or steals, which can be bogus stats, but it's about "gluing" the team together to make the whole better than the individual parts. This is where AI failed.

[DMV2]

Wilt had his unbreakable records and numbers as a Philadelphia Warrior. He still posted insane numbers and won a championship as a Sixer but only in a couple of seasons.

How do you factor his numbers and stuff?

[Dr.J4ever]

Wilt had his unbreakable records and numbers as a Philadelphia Warrior. He still posted insane numbers and won a championship as a Sixer but only in a couple of seasons.

How do you factor his numbers and stuff?
Wilt was a Sixer from 1965-68, so yes he played with the Phila warriors early on, but the 1967 Sixers are still one of the great teams in NBA history.

If the question is who was the greatest Sixer, then Wilt was the greatest Sixer.

[Smoke117]

Iverson has no business being uttered in the same breath as Wilt and the Doctor. It's a joke to even put Iverson and his 28 shot attempts to average 31.5 points in the same sentence as legends like Wilt and Julius. Only some stupid ghetto trash kids would even think Iverson was better or even in the league of such legends.

Also LMFAO till a near heartache to listen to AudioOne's plethora of bullshit. Iverson was a ****ing terrible defensive player during his NBA career. He got all those steals because he had no respect for team defense and gambled to get that 1 or 2 steals a game. He was an absolutely atrocious team defender and team defense is what matters when you are playing 5 on 5. AudioOne shut the **** up and stop embarassing yourself with your buillshit.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wilt. Doctor J played his BEST basketball w/ the Nets from what I've read and limited ABA footage I saw.

[Audio One]

Iverson has no business being uttered in the same breath as Wilt and the Doctor. It's a joke to even put Iverson and his 28 shot attempts to average 31.5 points in the same sentence as legends like Wilt and Julius. Only some stupid ghetto trash kids would even think Iverson was better or even in the league of such legends.

Also LMFAO till a near heartache to listen to AudioOne's plethora of bullshit. Iverson was a ****ing terrible defensive player during his NBA career. He got all those steals because he had no respect for team defense and gambled to get that 1 or 2 steals a game. He was an absolutely atrocious team defender and team defense is what matters when you are playing 5 on 5. AudioOne shut the **** up and stop embarassing yourself with your buillshit.

The ignorance, aggresive, and abrasiveness of this entry just showed you already have your mind made up, and have never seen any of these players play. Never said he was this All-NBA level defender, and yes, he did gamble in the lanes, but he surely wasn't horrible. For as much as he gambled, he was havoc in the lanes, and disrupted offenses, creating several offensive opportunites, and while he had trouble fighting through screens at times, he stayed in front of his assignment fairly well. The reality is that he's somewhere in-between how each of us envision him, but he surely wasn't horrible The amount of NBA players, let alone wings, that can play offense and defense at the same time, on a high level is extremely low, so I don't see the need to single out Iverson for it

[Audio One]

I'm a big admirer of Iverson. I will never forget his legendary will to win. His will to win was as good as any player in history, and that includes Michael. AI was a scoring machine of the first order.

However, at the end of the day, it's about winning. That to me is purpose for creating stats, and having a great will, and that is TO WIN GAMES. AI won many games, and led the Sixers to the Finals, but it wasn't enough. Why?
Many factors, but some of them had to do with AI himself. As great as he was, he also suppressed his teammates abilities at times.

AI got teamed with Stackhouse, Kukoch, Robinson, Coleman, and maybe a few I forgot, but these scorers never had their best games with AI. None of these players will think they had their best years with AI. The game has a lot to do with making your teammates better, and AI sadly didn't always do that.

AI didn't always want to win "the right way", like Larry Brown would say. AI was selfish at times, and didn't play defense at an acceptable level during other times. It's not about assists or steals, which can be bogus stats, but it's about "gluing" the team together to make the whole better than the individual parts. This is where AI failed.

Allen wasn't perfect, he did have his imperfections, but really, a) I don't see how he's the better player, b) his teammate situation was worse than either of theirs, and most importantly c) I don't see how either of them had the better career, even with the rings, and 4 combined MVPs.

Julius Erving had questionable defense himself. He was an inferior scorer to Iverson, with this being the key facet, as this was each's calling cards the inferior passer. He shooting was streaky at best, didn't have much range. Erving never really made players around him better either, his leadership was questionable. Watching Dawkins just blow up on his watch was mind-boggling; he had NO impact on this young high-schooler, and quite frankly didn't seem to give two ****s about it.

And while Dr. J got his title, he has never led a team to the Finals, and consistlently failed with more talent, time and time again. He joints a great team that finished 2nd in their division the year prior, in '76, a team that has McGinnis, Collins, Cunningham, Carter, Mix. The clear-cut favorites, he loses to Portland in the Finals, a series he should've came through and won. Next year, loses to D.C. and gets played to a standstill by Larry Kenon (:oldlol: who you may ask?) , and gets ousted again. From watching that team, he was not having any impact on his teammates WHATSOEVER. And this was supposed to be the league's best player??? :wtf: Next year, same deal AGAIN, even WORSE, losing to that INFERIOR San Antonio team. The next few years are understandable, somewhat, although him blowing that 3-1 lead in '81 pissed me the **** off. We HAD game 6 if he hadn't choked that free throw, Game 7 has that past stolen in the waning seconds :banghead: He finally wins the title, but the very next year gets WAXED by New Jersey? :biggums: '85, Malone, Cheeks, Barkley, Jones, Cheeks, good enough team to contend, and lose to Boston, with an injured Bird.

They built around Erving TIME, and time again, and he ROUTINELY let us down. :facepalm His impact was TREMENDOUS in the 70's; he revolutionized the game, and was the predecesor to Larry and Earvin "saving" the league, no frontin', but he never led a team anywhere. , Iverson taking that team to those Finals, and beating that Lakers dynasty single-handedly was more impressive than anything Erving ever did outside the ABA. I never saw the heart from Julius that I did from Iverson, the will to win, his inferior leadership.. I just can't put him above AI with all that being said.

I'll be getting to Moses a little later

[ILLsmak]

Dr J, Iverson...

Wilt was on the 6rs for like 3 years. Bro.

-Smak

[Jailblazers7]

Dr J, Iverson...

Wilt was on the 6rs for like 3 years. Bro.

-Smak

Yeah, I don't think Wilt can really be considered a Sixers legend like Dr. J or Iverson can.

Iverson is my favorite player of all time but I think it goes Dr. J and then AI. Doc's Sixers teams were just too good and he was an MVP caliber player for too long for me to put AI over him. His reputation as one of the game's pioneers and statesmen just solidifies him in the top spot.

[Psileas]

Now, the thread has been made by a troll, but my response is towards the others:
Wilt, hands down. "Longevity" may seem to harm him (3.5 seasons), but when someone manages to win 3 MVP's in a row, post 68+62 win seasons (68 in 81 games, btw), win a title by destroying the back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back champions, post cumulative averages of 28/24/7/58% FG, along with lots of records, then longevity accolades of others like "X has scored more total points" or "X has played in more all-star games" have to take a back seat, as long as no-one else has come close to the dominance mentioned before. Combine Moses'+Iverson's+Barkley's+Dr.J's single best individual seasons with the Sixers and their total value would still not match Wilt's 3.5 seasons - only Moses' 1983 would be on par.

[Jailblazers7]

I don't really see a discussion like this being about who was the best player. I think the cultural impact of Dr. J and AI make them "greater" to the Sixers fanbase than Wilt.

[chocolatethunder]

76ers Barkley is not even close to what Allen Iverson was
You're so far off base I don't know where to start. He was a phenomenon as a rookie dunking on literally everyone from Kareem to whoever. 28 12 and 3 isn't close to what Iverson did? I'd be willing to bet that you weren't even alive in '88 to see him play let alone have an opinion.

[Dr.J4ever]

Allen wasn't perfect, he did have his imperfections, but really, a) I don't see how he's the better player, b) his teammate situation was worse than either of theirs, and most importantly c) I don't see how either of them had the better career, even with the rings, and 4 combined MVPs.

Julius Erving had questionable defense himself. He was an inferior scorer to Iverson, with this being the key facet, as this was each's calling cards the inferior passer. He shooting was streaky at best, didn't have much range. Erving never really made players around him better either, his leadership was questionable. Watching Dawkins just blow up on his watch was mind-boggling; he had NO impact on this young high-schooler, and quite frankly didn't seem to give two ****s about it.

And while Dr. J got his title, he has never led a team to the Finals, and consistlently failed with more talent, time and time again. He joints a great team that finished 2nd in their division the year prior, in '76, a team that has McGinnis, Collins, Cunningham, Carter, Mix. The clear-cut favorites, he loses to Portland in the Finals, a series he should've came through and won. Next year, loses to D.C. and gets played to a standstill by Larry Kenon (:oldlol: who you may ask?) , and gets ousted again. From watching that team, he was not having any impact on his teammates WHATSOEVER. And this was supposed to be the league's best player??? :wtf: Next year, same deal AGAIN, even WORSE, losing to that INFERIOR San Antonio team. The next few years are understandable, somewhat, although him blowing that 3-1 lead in '81 pissed me the **** off. We HAD game 6 if he hadn't choked that free throw, Game 7 has that past stolen in the waning seconds :banghead: He finally wins the title, but the very next year gets WAXED by New Jersey? :biggums: '85, Malone, Cheeks, Barkley, Jones, Cheeks, good enough team to contend, and lose to Boston, with an injured Bird.

They built around Erving TIME, and time again, and he ROUTINELY let us down. :facepalm His impact was TREMENDOUS in the 70's; he revolutionized the game, and was the predecesor to Larry and Earvin "saving" the league, no frontin', but he never led a team anywhere. , Iverson taking that team to those Finals, and beating that Lakers dynasty single-handedly was more impressive than anything Erving ever did outside the ABA. I never saw the heart from Julius that I did from Iverson, the will to win, his inferior leadership.. I just can't put him above AI with all that being said.

I'll be getting to Moses a little later
I sense your frustration, so i guess you are a Sixer fan.:lol We both are. I just have to disagree with you though about Julius.

Much of what you say is true, but one thing for sure, Doc made his teammates always better. From Virginia, to the Nets, to the Sixers, Doc never played on a losing team and led 2 teams to 7 Finals(2 in the ABA, 4 in the NBA) and he won 3 of the 7 Finals. All these teams had Doc as their best player, except arguably the 83 squad.

Let me ask a question. Yes Moses was the most dominant player in the NBA in 1982-83, but Doc was the better all around player. He allowed Moses to be acclimated, and surrendered much of his game. Might another player with a bigger ego not allowed Moses to lead the Sixers? I submit to you---absolutely. It happens all the time. Would AI have allowed Moses to shine?

Another question, we know as Sixer fans that KAJ was the most dominant player for the Lakers from 1980-82, but Magic nevertheless gets credit for leading those Laker teams. So why the qualifier with Doc's Title? Bird led the Celtics to 1981 Title, but Maxwell was the FMVP. It was the era of the big man, and league MVPs were won consecutively by big men dating back to the Big O till, Doc won it in 1981.

So when Doc wins his title in 1983, I give him full credit. Iverson led 1 team to the Finals, the Sixers built at least 2 teams around Erving, 1980 team and 1982 team, that went to the Finals. You yourself said the Sixers should have beaten Boston in 1981, and Doc would have gotten his first title, for sure vs a .500 Houston team. The 1981 team was also built around Doc.

In an era when the big man dominated with post play, Doc shined and took many teams to the brink of titles. Bird had Parish/Mchale/Maxwell/Walton, and Magic had KAJ/Worthy in the frontline, while Doc had Caldwell Jones and Dawkins. Need I say more?

When Doc was finally paired with a real center, he won, and won dominantly.

[MMM]

Mr. Fo, Fo, Fo is above Barkley as a 76er, imo.

Agreed
My ranking would be
Dr. J - BTW Why doesn't he get more mention as a top 10 player all time. it is interesting that his place in the rankings is largely forgotten. I think there can be an argument made for him as a top 10 player

Wilt best baller associated with Philly teams but not a Sixer.
AI
Malone

[Teanett]

moses malone

[Dr.J4ever]

Agreed
My ranking would be
Dr. J - BTW Why doesn't he get more mention as a top 10 player all time. it is interesting that his place in the rankings is largely forgotten. I think there can be an argument made for him as a top 10 player

Wilt best baller associated with Philly teams but not a Sixer.
AI
Malone
Absolutely, Doc should be considered more as a top 10 GOAT candidate. As I said in my post above, Doc's era was the era of the big man. No non center since Oscar won league MVP until Doc broke through in 1981.

Meanwhile, in the Playoffs, Magic could always throw the ball to KAJ during clutch half court situations, and Bird could and did dump off to Parish and Mchale in many clutch Playoff moments to win their titles.

When Doc finally gets a dominant center, the Sixers dominate the NBA.

[ralph_i_el]

Moses Malone

[stanlove1111]

Can't believe anyone would say Iverson over Wilt or Dr J.

I think we need a knew thread asking if Iverson is the most overrated player evr,

[stanlove1111]

Iverson has no business being uttered in the same breath as Wilt and the Doctor. It's a joke to even put Iverson and his 28 shot attempts to average 31.5 points in the same sentence as legends like Wilt and Julius. Only some stupid ghetto trash kids would even think Iverson was better or even in the league of such legends.

Also LMFAO till a near heartache to listen to AudioOne's plethora of bullshit. Iverson was a ****ing terrible defensive player during his NBA career. He got all those steals because he had no respect for team defense and gambled to get that 1 or 2 steals a game. He was an absolutely atrocious team defender and team defense is what matters when you are playing 5 on 5. AudioOne shut the **** up and stop embarassing yourself with your buillshit.

Bingo.....

[secund2nun]

Iverson was outscoring Barkley in slower-paced leagues, and has four scoring titles in the same timespan. Higher career ppg and totals points scored. Neither are lockdown defenders, but Iverson was a better defender, as evidenced by his two Big East DPOY honors from Georgetown, and his three steals titles, two of which came when he was leading the league in minutes, and was top-3 in scoring. He led his collegiate teams further, and is still the Hoyas all-time leading scorer. His '01 run beats anything Barkley ever did. He's led the league in scoring, steals, minutes, and top-5 in dimes all in the same 82 . Iverson and Jordan only 2 players to score at least 50 twice in same playoff series. Jordan, Wilt and Iverson only players with at least 3 50 point playoff games. Iverson most steals in a playoff game. Iverson 4 straight seasons Top 10 scoring and assists. Jordan and Iverson only players to lead the NBA in scoring and steals at least twice in the same season. Iverson and Jordan highest usage rate in a season Jordan 88 and Iverson 2001. Second highest ppg average in playoff history. He had better discipline, he had more skill, his will to win was unquestionably better. I love both, don't get me wrong, I just give the nod to Iverson for doing what he did, in a tougher era, while being just 5'11 or so, in a league which Barkley had it easier, remember they created the five-second b2tb rule because of Barkley. Someone'll bring up efficiency, but we already saw what he could do when handchecking was vanquished, 33-3-7.5 on 45% with two steals :applause:

Barkley was a much better scorer than Iverson. Iverson's scoring is very overrated. He chucked up 25 shots per game to score 30 ppg. That doesn't mean much at all. Barkley, on the other hand, was ultra efficient.

For some reason in football when a QB has a lot pass attempts, yards, and mediocre/bad efficiency they are rated accordingly, but in basketball people are obsessed with volume scoring and ignore efficiency. The football equivalent of this would be worshiping a QB that has 45 pass attempts per game, 310 yards per game, 2 TD per game, 2 INT per game, 75 QB rating.

[secund2nun]

Iverson has no business being uttered in the same breath as Wilt and the Doctor. It's a joke to even put Iverson and his 28 shot attempts to average 31.5 points in the same sentence as legends like Wilt and Julius. Only some stupid ghetto trash kids would even think Iverson was better or even in the league of such legends.


:applause:

The truth. The obsession some have with raw volume scoring never ceases to amaze me.

[Odinn]

Julius Erving

But single best season by a Sixer title belongs to Wilt Chamberlain (1966-67). Close 2nd is Moses Malone (1982-83).

And the Sixers history has great role players such as Hal Greer, Dolph Schayes, Billy Cunnigham, Maurice Cheeks. If someone chooses one of these role players 10+ seasons of service over Wilt's 4 seasons, I wouldn't argue with him.

[East_Stone_Ya]

Dr J :bowdown:

[senelcoolidge]

There have been lots of great players that have been 76er's. But the top 3 are
Wilt (1967 champs)
Dr. J (1983 champs)
Iverson (finals appearance)

But there are so many other honorable mentions.

[riseagainst]

I'll treat this as a poll.

I vote Iverson.

:biggums:

OP is an idiot....

:facepalm

[riseagainst]

Dr J is one of the most iconic basketball players to have ever played. How would he not be 1st for the 76ers?

[GOBB]

Anyone who thinks Barkley was a better Sixer than Iverson is obviously an Iverson hater.


Iverson has no business being uttered in the same breath as Wilt and the Doctor. It's a joke to even put Iverson and his 28 shot attempts to average 31.5 points in the same sentence as legends like Wilt and Julius. Only some stupid ghetto trash kids would even think Iverson was better or even in the league of such legends.

Also LMFAO till a near heartache to listen to AudioOne's plethora of bullshit. Iverson was a ****ing terrible defensive player during his NBA career. He got all those steals because he had no respect for team defense and gambled to get that 1 or 2 steals a game. He was an absolutely atrocious team defender and team defense is what matters when you are playing 5 on 5. AudioOne shut the **** up and stop embarassing yourself with your buillshit.

Coming from a Derrick Rose fanboy? Hilarious.

[Round Mound]

As Far as Peak Level of Play:

1-Moses
2-Charles
3-DR J (NBA only)
4-Iverson

[houston]

Allen wasn't perfect, he did have his imperfections, but really, a) I don't see how he's the better player, b) his teammate situation was worse than either of theirs, and most importantly c) I don't see how either of them had the better career, even with the rings, and 4 combined MVPs.

Julius Erving had questionable defense himself. He was an inferior scorer to Iverson, with this being the key facet, as this was each's calling cards the inferior passer. He shooting was streaky at best, didn't have much range. Erving never really made players around him better either, his leadership was questionable. Watching Dawkins just blow up on his watch was mind-boggling; he had NO impact on this young high-schooler, and quite frankly didn't seem to give two ****s about it.

And while Dr. J got his title, he has never led a team to the Finals, and consistlently failed with more talent, time and time again. He joints a great team that finished 2nd in their division the year prior, in '76, a team that has McGinnis, Collins, Cunningham, Carter, Mix. The clear-cut favorites, he loses to Portland in the Finals, a series he should've came through and won. Next year, loses to D.C. and gets played to a standstill by Larry Kenon (:oldlol: who you may ask?) , and gets ousted again. From watching that team, he was not having any impact on his teammates WHATSOEVER. And this was supposed to be the league's best player??? :wtf: Next year, same deal AGAIN, even WORSE, losing to that INFERIOR San Antonio team. The next few years are understandable, somewhat, although him blowing that 3-1 lead in '81 pissed me the **** off. We HAD game 6 if he hadn't choked that free throw, Game 7 has that past stolen in the waning seconds :banghead: He finally wins the title, but the very next year gets WAXED by New Jersey? :biggums: '85, Malone, Cheeks, Barkley, Jones, Cheeks, good enough team to contend, and lose to Boston, with an injured Bird.

They built around Erving TIME, and time again, and he ROUTINELY let us down. :facepalm His impact was TREMENDOUS in the 70's; he revolutionized the game, and was the predecesor to Larry and Earvin "saving" the league, no frontin', but he never led a team anywhere. , Iverson taking that team to those Finals, and beating that Lakers dynasty single-handedly was more impressive than anything Erving ever did outside the ABA. I never saw the heart from Julius that I did from Iverson, the will to win, his inferior leadership.. I just can't put him above AI with all that being said.

I'll be getting to Moses a little later



Interesting take on Dr.J. But I give him props on keeping that team contending by him being a focal point. I mean in that tough 80's era that was impressive.

But I heard he did have the same problem Robinson,Lebron use to have and Durant having now. That he was too nice of a player didn't really have a nasty streak to him. Those Sixers team did use to underperform.

[Rasheed1]

Wilt
Dr J
AI

[Odinn]

As Far as Peak Level of Play:

1-Moses
2-Charles
3-DR J (NBA only)
4-Iverson
You do realize Wilt Chamberlain was a Sixer in 1966-67 season. Right?

[JellyBean]

Dr.J

[Round Mound]

You do realize Wilt Chamberlain was a Sixer in 1966-67 season. Right?

You are Right but I Never Saw Him Play. So Yup Wilt 1st The Rest I Mentioned.

[kennethgriffin]

moses didnt play long enough there.. just 4 years. but won a title and fmvp

wilt only played 3.5 years

barkley was great. but no awards or titles

iverson played a long time but no title

erving played a long time. won a title and mvp


hal greer played way longer than wilt and was on that title team

dolph schayes played his whole career with philly. ( they were called the nationals though ) and won a title



i think it goes

#1 erving ( long time sixer + championship + MVP + HOF )
#2 Schayes ( long time sixer + championship + HOF )
#3 Greer ( long time sixer + championship + HOF )
#4 Moses ( championship + FMVP + MVP + HOF )
#5 Wilt ( championship + 3MVP + HOF )
#6 Iverson ( long time sixer + MVP )
#7 Barkley ( mid time sixer + HOF )

[Audio One]

Moses Malone for that ONE great title season in the early 80's actually played defense consistently, THAT'S IT. He jointed a team that was already very good. He was a very unpolished, uncoordinated center, that couldn't have an offense run through him. I'll agree that Moses was the man, but anyone saying he carried any team anywhere is revising history. Honestly, that 1983 team was STACKED. Bobby Jones was a PHENOMENALLY clutch defensive player, that was our closer on defense, and was the 6th man of the year. Why he never gets talked about is criminal, 'cause we damn sure wouldn't have won it without him. Maurice Cheeks putting up 16 & 7 on 50% in the playoffs, all-defensive 1st team, Andrew Toney, an excellent off-guard, another all-star that year, and all-defensive 1st team. And when he went down, Richardson stepped in and filled in brilliantly for him, he was our Jamal Crawford of sorts during that stretch. That team was damn near as good without him, than with a peak Moses, just think about that..

Anyways, back to The Chairman. He camped out on defense for rebounds, he rarely played D; he was very slow in transition, was a horrendous P&R defender, and rarely contested shots. He was a turnover machine, with a low usage rate :biggums: This was the quintessential empty stats 5 until the Admiral came along. He's also the only other player other than Irk Nowitzki to have his ass sent him in the first round after winning an MVP. He dominated aganist Seattle in the regular season, but somehow just broke down aganist them come playoff time. Remembering that team that year, they almost were just as good without him, than they were with him. He had no post moves, didn't box out, and for as good as he was on the offensive glass, questionable basketball IQ, he was a terrible defensive rebounder.

That 1981 run, not to take anything away from Malone, but I feel that that tends to get overblown just a bit. When we got past Bird, Malone was only scoring 15 ppg on 40%, and these numbers become more askance when you take the pace of that time into account. Aganist Los Angeles, Earvin was injured, and for Malone's title for owning Kareem, he was decisively outplayed that series, he lost his matchup. It's a shame people like to say Iverson's Finals run was a run-in-the-bottle sort of deal, but this was just the same, if not a worse conference, and a luckier run if we're gonna go that route. Aganist SA and LA, they only got by due to conveniently missed free throws by LA in game 3, and SA in game 5 of that series. Just kinda think of last year's Finals; a team squeaking by two close series with irregularly missed freebies. And then in one of the weakest WCF series ever, play a weak, below-.500 Kansas City group. That Western Conference was weak in the 80's, very much like the Eastern Conference's been since Shaquille left.


Much like the Doctor, Moses failed time and time again with stacked teams. Right after that "dominant" title run, he gets ousted in the first round by the lower-seeded Nets as defending champs:biggums: You gone get outplayed by Buck Williams :biggums: Did nothing much worthy of note before or after hand. He was traded during his peak. Now I'm not saying Iverson didn't have his issues with leadership and defense, but I just CAN'T picture Iverson with less than two rings, and a 32 ppg average at LEAST had he played with whom Moses did, and during those faster times. Seeing Allen out there every night, putting that team on his back, fighting through those screens, and playing those passing lanes, screaming at the officials; the best all-stars he played with here was an old Mutombo, and Theo Ratliff :banghead: Again, he'd have KILLED to play with the talent Moses did in his prime. I personally don't put him above Iverson, as a Sixer, nor as a player, and I really don't see how some people put Moses above Garnett and Hakeem

[Audio One]

I sense your frustration, so i guess you are a Sixer fan.:lol We both are. I just have to disagree with you though about Julius.

Much of what you say is true, but one thing for sure, Doc made his teammates always better. From Virginia, to the Nets, to the Sixers, Doc never played on a losing team and led 2 teams to 7 Finals(2 in the ABA, 4 in the NBA) and he won 3 of the 7 Finals. All these teams had Doc as their best player, except arguably the 83 squad.

Let me ask a question. Yes Moses was the most dominant player in the NBA in 1982-83, but Doc was the better all around player. He allowed Moses to be acclimated, and surrendered much of his game. Might another player with a bigger ego not allowed Moses to lead the Sixers? I submit to you---absolutely. It happens all the time. Would AI have allowed Moses to shine?

Another question, we know as Sixer fans that KAJ was the most dominant player for the Lakers from 1980-82, but Magic nevertheless gets credit for leading those Laker teams. So why the qualifier with Doc's Title? Bird led the Celtics to 1981 Title, but Maxwell was the FMVP. It was the era of the big man, and league MVPs were won consecutively by big men dating back to the Big O till, Doc won it in 1981.

So when Doc wins his title in 1983, I give him full credit. Iverson led 1 team to the Finals, the Sixers built at least 2 teams around Erving, 1980 team and 1982 team, that went to the Finals. You yourself said the Sixers should have beaten Boston in 1981, and Doc would have gotten his first title, for sure vs a .500 Houston team. The 1981 team was also built around Doc.

In an era when the big man dominated with post play, Doc shined and took many teams to the brink of titles. Bird had Parish/Mchale/Maxwell/Walton, and Magic had KAJ/Worthy in the frontline, while Doc had Caldwell Jones and Dawkins. Need I say more?

When Doc was finally paired with a real center, he won, and won dominantly.

Yeah my man, I guess we'll just respectfully agree to disagree. I personally don't hold the ABA in much regards, if any. And on that '77 team, I honestly feel as though George McGinnis was just as valuable as Julius. He was our team captain, and we went as he went, as was proven in that Finals series unfortunately :facepalm

Always nice to come across another intelligent, passionate Philly fan though :cheers: How do you feel about Nerlens future with us?

[millwad]

Moses Malone for that ONE great title season in the early 80's actually played defense consistently, THAT'S IT. He jointed a team that was already very good. He was a very unpolished, uncoordinated center, that couldn't have an offense run through him. I'll agree that Moses was the man, but anyone saying he carried any team anywhere is revising history. Honestly, that 1983 team was STACKED. Bobby Jones was a PHENOMENALLY clutch defensive player, that was our closer on defense, and was the 6th man of the year. Why he never gets talked about is criminal, 'cause we damn sure wouldn't have won it without him. Maurice Cheeks putting up 16 & 7 on 50% in the playoffs, all-defensive 1st team, Andrew Toney, an excellent off-guard, another all-star that year, and all-defensive 1st team. And when he went down, Richardson stepped in and filled in brilliantly for him, he was our Jamal Crawford of sorts during that stretch. That team was damn near as good without him, than with a peak Moses, just think about that..

Anyways, back to The Chairman. He camped out on defense for rebounds, he rarely played D; he was very slow in transition, was a horrendous P&R defender, and rarely contested shots. He was a turnover machine, with a low usage rate :biggums: This was the quintessential empty stats 5 until the Admiral came along. He's also the only other player other than Irk Nowitzki to have his ass sent him in the first round after winning an MVP. He dominated aganist Seattle in the regular season, but somehow just broke down aganist them come playoff time. Remembering that team that year, they almost were just as good without him, than they were with him. He had no post moves, didn't box out, and for as good as he was on the offensive glass, questionable basketball IQ, he was a terrible defensive rebounder.

That 1981 run, not to take anything away from Malone, but I feel that that tends to get overblown just a bit. When we got past Bird, Malone was only scoring 15 ppg on 40%, and these numbers become more askance when you take the pace of that time into account. Aganist Los Angeles, Earvin was injured, and for Malone's title for owning Kareem, he was decisively outplayed that series, he lost his matchup. It's a shame people like to say Iverson's Finals run was a run-in-the-bottle sort of deal, but this was just the same, if not a worse conference, and a luckier run if we're gonna go that route. Aganist SA and LA, they only got by due to conveniently missed free throws by LA in game 3, and SA in game 5 of that series. Just kinda think of last year's Finals; a team squeaking by two close series with irregularly missed freebies. And then in one of the weakest WCF series ever, play a weak, below-.500 Kansas City group. That Western Conference was weak in the 80's, very much like the Eastern Conference's been since Shaquille left.


Much like the Doctor, Moses failed time and time again with stacked teams. Right after that "dominant" title run, he gets ousted in the first round by the lower-seeded Nets as defending champs:biggums: You gone get outplayed by Buck Williams :biggums: Did nothing much worthy of note before or after hand. He was traded during his peak. Now I'm not saying Iverson didn't have his issues with leadership and defense, but I just CAN'T picture Iverson with less than two rings, and a 32 ppg average at LEAST had he played with whom Moses did, and during those faster times. Seeing Allen out there every night, putting that team on his back, fighting through those screens, and playing those passing lanes, screaming at the officials; the best all-stars he played with here was an old Mutombo, and Theo Ratliff :banghead: Again, he'd have KILLED to play with the talent Moses did in his prime. I personally don't put him above Iverson, as a Sixer, nor as a player, and I really don't see how some people put Moses above Garnett and Hakeem

And you want us to believe that you're not Jlauber... :facepalm

[Dr.J4ever]

Yeah my man, I guess we'll just respectfully agree to disagree. I personally don't hold the ABA in much regards, if any. And on that '77 team, I honestly feel as though George McGinnis was just as valuable as Julius. He was our team captain, and we went as he went, as was proven in that Finals series unfortunately :facepalm

Always nice to come across another intelligent, passionate Philly fan though :cheers: How do you feel about Nerlens future with us?
I honestly don't watch too much College Basketball to know too much about Noel, but I trust Hinkie. I still think the Sixers are doing the best thing, tanking and stuff. I am sick and tired of playing for the 8 spot, and then drafting no. 15.

I miss the days when the Sixers were top billing. I still remember the days when the Sixers would go to Chicago with Doc and Moses, and there were more Sixer fans on the stands than Bulls fans. That would be unimaginable today.

I want the Sixers to go back to being an elite franchise, just as it has always been historically. Heck, our all time greats can be matched up with any franchise and win an all time tournament. Anyone disagree?

I think Hinkie is on the right path. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt. It just hurts like hell today, not having an NBA team to root for.