Poll: only 51.6% believe Kobe's 81 was better than LeBron's 61, 48.4% think otherwise

[sbw19]

Right now on First Take.


Kobe's 81 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7P4SVFG7a8)

http://abload.de/img/kobe-bryant208esxo.jpg

Tim Legler, Stephen A. think it's ludicrous it's even this close. Think Bobcats D's overrated, and Bron didn't have to play in the 4th unlike Kobe. Relative to their history of shooting, LeBron's was more impressive. Relative to the history of the game, Kobe's was more special


LeBron's 61 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAj4LTBVTI4)

http://abload.de/img/9b4d2079557d4049a7cca6isyx.jpg

Skip liked LeBron's efficiency, 3pt shooting, mask. Says Kobe more selfish (in a good way)


Thoughts?


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[BoutPractice]

The game literally happened yesterday.
Ask the same question ten years from now and you'll get quite a different result.

[Clyde]

It's called living in the moment

[jlip]

The game literally happened yesterday.
Ask the same question ten years from now and you'll get quite a different result.

This

Prisoner of the moment syndrome

[HOoopCityJones]

Lebron was great last night, but it wasn't even better than Kobe's 62 vs the MAVS.

[NumberSix]

Lebron was great last night, but it wasn't even better than Kobe's 62 vs the MAVS.
25 free throws and 0 assists doe.

[mattvNJ]

Kobes was better... :sleeping :sleeping definitely a case of tremendous ESPN bron dick sucking and people following the trends of things todays new breed of stars does everything substantially better.

Still an amazing game by him albeit vs the bobcats.

Hopefully he cant keep it up.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

These polls are all BS. Just something for ESPN to talk about.

Kobe's 81 was infinitely better.

[HOoopCityJones]

25 free throws and 0 assists doe.

So?

How many times did Lebron hide behind screens to hit those threes last night? Boy needs space , Kobe torched ni99as right in their faces. See? how lame does that sound? Just stop , it's ok , Lebron balled out last night and trust me he doesn't need you NumerSix to discredit other players' feats just to prop Lebron, he don't need it.

Just seems like some very sad shit on your part.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Both were sick games. Im not a Kobe guy, but I can't imagine anyone scoring 81 points again. That would have been like scoring 300 points a game in Wilt's era.

[NumberSix]

So?

How many times did Lebron hide behind screens to hit those threes last night? Boy needs space , Kobe torched ni99as right in their faces. See? how lame does that sound? Just stop , it's ok , Lebron balled out last night and trust me he doesn't need you NumerSix to discredit other players' feats just to prop Lebron, he don't need it.

Just seems like some very sad shit on your part.
I don't need to prop up anybody to hate Kobe.

[Trollsmasher]

such BS:facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

I don't need to prop up anybody to hate Kobe.

Hate all you want bruh , just be sure to wash that Bron jizz out your mouth out when you're done.

[NumberSix]

Hate all you want bruh , just be sure to wash that Bron jizz out your mouth out when you're done.
Reported for homophobic language.

[Jlamb47]

Both were sick games. Im not a Kobe guy, but I can't imagine anyone scoring 81 points again. That would have been like scoring 300 points a game in Wilt's era.
This. Both were amazing games though.

[HOoopCityJones]

Reported for homophobic language.

:oldlol: I'm devastated.

Snitch Ass ni99a

[SilkkTheShocker]

One nice thing about LeBron's game is that people can't bash him for not scoring 60 anymore. It's getting harder to nitpick LeBron's body of work more and more.

[Doranku]

Both were sick games. Im not a Kobe guy, but I can't imagine anyone scoring 81 points again. That would have been like scoring 300 points a game in Wilt's era.
:biggums: Who hacked your account?

[DeuceWallaces]

Why are you watching First Take?

[ClutchOver9000]

I don't even think the majority of fans these days remember Kobe's 81 pt game considering the demographic for the casual NBA fan are getting younger and younger.

As impressive as it was, I can't even put LeBron's performance over Melo's 62 pt night.

But this is the LeBron era so I can understand why everything he does is magnified times 1000.

However I will say, LeBron keeps on adding to his already extensive resume so props to that.

[iamgine]

Toronto:

Def Rtg: 29th of 30
Opp PTS/G: 29th of 30


Charlotte:

Def Rtg: 6th of 30
Opp PTS/G: 5th of 30

[ImKobe]

Kobe's 81 is legendary, the highest scoring game ever by a guard in NBA history and the highest besides Wilt's mythical 100, Lebron's 61 isn't even the most anyone's scored this season.

Kobe's 81 was coming from behind in a close game which he turned into a blowout in the 4th. 54 points in the 2nd half.

And if you want to discredit Kobe's game because of free throws, check out his 65 point game with only 12 fts in a OT win, hitting 3 consecutive 3s in the closing minutes of the 4th quarter to force OT and that ridiculous turnaround corner 3 to ice the game in OT.

Lebron had a career game and an amazing one at that in terms of efficiency and 3pt shooting, but why must you compare it to the highest scoring game by anyone in the modern era?

[HOoopCityJones]

Toronto:

Def Rtg: 29th of 30
Opp PTS/G: 29th of 30


Charlotte:

Def Rtg: 6th of 30
Opp PTS/G: 5th of 30

The Bobcats are in the weak ass East , they better have a Top 10 defense.


You also forget we were losing to Toronto. :applause:

[Trollsmasher]

LeBron had a fantastic game and all, but it is not close to 81.

The talk about D rating is pretty pointless. I find the Bobcats D rating to be skewed by playing in the East. I mean have you seen Al trying to guard pick and roll? It was laughable.

81 is 81, legendary

[ImKobe]

Toronto:

Def Rtg: 29th of 30
Opp PTS/G: 29th of 30


Charlotte:

Def Rtg: 6th of 30
Opp PTS/G: 5th of 30

Oh, this is supposed to be some defining statistic. Charlotte as a team is a good defensive team, but they lack any defenders who could check Lebron. Who was he mostly guarded by, a 2nd year player named MKG, who's 20 pounds lighter and an inch shorter than Lebron?

And Lebron against the same Raptors team shot 27 - 58(3 games, a combined 79 points) in 06.

[russwest0]

Why are you watching First Take?

I was wondering the same thing as well.

[Prometheus]

How is this even a discussion? :biggums:

I'm no Kobe fan but this is ridiculous. 81 > 61 and it's just that simple.

[riseagainst]

Both were sick games. Im not a Kobe guy, but I can't imagine anyone scoring 81 points again. That would have been like scoring 300 points a game in Wilt's era.

:lol

[Milbuck]

Kobe's 81. And I hate saying "and it's not even close", but really, it isn't close.

Lebron's performance was incredible and will go down as one of the greatest performances ever, but this is 81 points we're talking about. In the modern era as well, a completely different beast than Wilt's 100.

Lebron is the more complete player overall, but the only player in NBA history I can think of who tops Kobe offensively when he's hot is Jordan.

[theoneneo]

Lol Comparing this to Kobe's 81 point game when Kobe has at least 4-5 more games on par with this. No Bashing of Lebron tho, 61 is good, that's like Kobe's 3rd highest scoring game tho. But I'm sure Lebron could score big if he wanted to.

[SavageMode]

Coincidence Kobe's game is coming up after Lebron's and last night of 61?

Nope.

Kobe Stans feel threatened day by day as
Lebron carves his way past Kobe in the all time list.

If one asks the question is Lebron better than Kobe, you can easily say yes.

[HOoopCityJones]

Coincidence Kobe's game is coming up after Lebron's and last night of 61?

Nope.

Kobe Stans feel threatened day by day as
Lebron carves his way past Kobe in the all time list.

If one asks the question is Lebron better than Kobe, you can easily say yes.

Nah, we just ain't impressed since we've seen Kobe torch your favortite teams for 60 though the years (which ever bandwagon you were on back then) it was still a great game, but it ain't touching 81 burh bruh.


Love how you guys are acting like Melo didn't just drop 62 on this same squad.

[riseagainst]

does savagemode even root for a team?

:coleman:

[HOoopCityJones]

does savagemode even root for a team?

:coleman:

Even worse. :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

Coincidence Kobe's game is coming up after Lebron's and last night of 61?

Nope.

Kobe Stans feel threatened day by day as
Lebron carves his way past Kobe in the all time list.

If one asks the question is Lebron better than Kobe, you can easily say yes.

5 rings > 2 rings

[Calabis]

Toronto:

Def Rtg: 29th of 30
Opp PTS/G: 29th of 30


Charlotte:

Def Rtg: 6th of 30
Opp PTS/G: 5th of 30

I love it when Karma strikes back at Kobestans....nice

[HoopsFanNumero1]

I love it when Karma strikes back at Kobestans....nice

To make it worse, the Raptors had a record of 14-27 at the time.

[Calabis]

Coincidence Kobe's game is coming up after Lebron's and last night of 61?

Nope.

Kobe Stans feel threatened day by day as
Lebron carves his way past Kobe in the all time list.

If one asks the question is Lebron better than Kobe, you can easily say yes.

Lebron is already the best player I have seen since Jordan.....unfortunately it seems we have to wait til his career is finished to move him past Kobe.

[Clyde]

Are people honestly trying to discredit either of these games???

61 last night was an amazing performance.

Scoring 81 is something we'll probably never see again.

Wish there were less homers and more basketball fans on this site.

[Twiens]

Thats because it happened yesterday. Give it 5 years and it'll be 90% Kobe

[Calabis]

To make it worse, the Raptors had a record of 14-27 at the time.

To make it worse they are screaming about the weak east as being the reason for the Bobcat rating....yet fail to realize the Raptors played in a less than stellar east also.....which shows how horrible they really were.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

its really closer than one could think.
lebron missed many FT and was 8-8 from three until two horrible heat checks.
he also still involved teammates. he also did it against the 6th best defense.
kobe, even tho he did it against a crap defense and didnt pass in that game AND had 20 FTA, had the slightly more impressive game doe, no question:applause: :applause:

[Levity]

ESPN left off a huge stat.

only 40% of the people that voted saw both games.

[riseagainst]

ESPN left off a huge stat.

only 40% of the people that voted saw both games.

:lol

[Clyde]

Lebron's 61 is better. because 81 by a rapist isn't counted.

you mad i know.

:facepalm

very original.....

[SavageMode]

Nah, we just ain't impressed since we've seen Kobe torch your favortite teams for 60 though the years (which ever bandwagon you were on back then) it was still a great game, but it ain't touching 81 burh bruh.


Love how you guys are acting like Melo didn't just drop 62 on this same squad.
Is that why Lebron is 13-6 vs Kobe all time?

Next buddy.
Lebron has shitted on Kobe his whole career.

[KobesFinger]

its really closer than one could think.
lebron missed many FT and was 8-8 from three until two horrible heat checks.
he also still involved teammates. he also did it against the 6th best defense.
kobe, even tho he did it against a crap defense and didnt pass in that game AND had 20 FTA, had the slightly more impressive game doe, no question:applause: :applause:

So what you're saying is that Kobe could tie LeBron's career high without shooting a single FT?

We are not worthy :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

EDIT: Kobe without those FTs still scored 63 points, he missed 2 FTs so he could've had 83

[SexSymbol]

Kobe has 2-3 games better than that.
I actually happen to believe this isn't LeBron's best game also

[SexSymbol]

Is that why Lebron is 13-6 vs Kobe all time?

Next buddy.
Lebron has shitted on Kobe his whole career.
So after 15 threads of beggin people to remind you the record you finally memorized it.
Good job, buddy.

[Quizno]

One nice thing about LeBron's game is that people can't bash him for not scoring 60 anymore. It's getting harder to nitpick LeBron's body of work more and more.
bashing lebron's body of work has been a joke since 2013. especially the "lol 4th quarter!!!" argument

[Black and White]

People are getting caught up in the hype :facepalm

81 was on a different level

[SilkkTheShocker]

bashing lebron's body of work has been a joke since 2013. especially the "lol 4th quarter!!!" argument

:cheers:

[Rocketswin2013]

Yeah...... It's just people living in the moment... Switch the roles and have Kobe score the 61 in 06 and LeBron 81 yesterday and the results'd be:
LeBron's 81, 97.1 %
Kobe's 61, 2.9 %

[red1]

I think we all know 81 was better we are just giving the bald man his props

[chazzy]

Come on now

[SwayDizzle]

awesome performance by Bronz. if he played with this mentality consistently then we might rank him over Kobe.

[Mass Debator]

It should be more like 99% to 1% in favor of Kobe.

[SilkkTheShocker]

awesome performance by Bronz. if he played with this mentality consistently then we might rank him over Kobe.

:oldlol: good one

[Vienceslav]

Impressed that it still came up in Kobe's favor.

[J Shuttlesworth]

As much as I hate on Kobe and sack ride LeBron, Kobe wins this battle easily. LeBron does have some pros in his defense though:

Pros:
Efficiency
Bobcat's DRTG
MVP statement game

Still not enough to fill the gap of the 20 extra points Kobe hit. LeBron's real feat is that scoring isn't even his main game, yet he's still able to score 60.

[J Shuttlesworth]

I still think people overestimate the value of a high scoring game. Nobody reasonable considers Kobe > Jordan just because he scored 81. Scoring tears are cool, but there are far more important legacy stats like rings, FMVPs, etc.

[bdreason]

Prisoners of the moment.

[All Net]

best thing about that Kobe performance is L.A were down until he decided to take over..

[ArbitraryWater]

Its because people live in the moment... Kobe's 81 is >>>
Will be remembered for forever, LeBron's 61? Yea, but not to those lengths.

[Jameerthefear]

Kobe's was better. It's insane to score that much.

[Replay32]

Of course Kobe's performance was better. Poll shouldn't even be that close.

[mehyaM24]

wilts 100 while impressive is overrated. kobe's 81 isn't a exception. the raptors were one of, if not the worst team in the league.

lebrons 61 was impressive given the ft count and the fact it came against a top 5-6 defense.

[no pun intended]

Half of the 48.4% has probably never witnessed Kobe's 81.

[oh the horror]

wilts 100 while impressive is overrated. kobe's 81 isn't a exception. the raptors were one of, if not the worst team in the league.

lebrons 61 was impressive given the ft count and the fact it came against a top 5-6 defense.



People seem to act like Kobe scored 81 on children.


Bad defense or not, the guy dropped 81 on a professional basketball team.


It's impressive.



People keep throwing up that Bobcat defense yet they have a sub 500 record in a historically terrible eastern conference.


But again, Lebron dropped it on a professional nba team.

[Teanett]

how is 61 better than 81?

:facepalm

[WallIn]

if Lebron had 60-10-10 game would it have been better than Kobe's 81?

[PsychoBe]

if Lebron had 60-10-10 game would it have been better than Kobe's 81?

no.

Kobe has the second highest scoring performance in nba history.

let me repeat that.

the second highest scoring performance in nba history.

let me repeat that again.

the second highest scoring performance in nba history.

did it sink in yet?

the second highest scoring performance in nba history.

i think you get the point now.

[Solefade]

if Lebron had 60-10-10 game would it have been better than Kobe's 81?


it'd be debatable but probably 81 pts is still slightly better...a 60pt triple double with be extremely epic though

[navy]

if Lebron had 60-10-10 game would it have been better than Kobe's 81?
No. Unless the game was relevant in the playoffs or something.

[sbw19]

Why are you watching First Take?

Was listening not watching, Optimum app running in background, old habit.

About Bobcat's vaunted D. Their Opp PTS/G is 97.5. The cummulative average for Eastern teams scoring is 98.2PTS/G.

Since Dec 1st they've allowed 100pts or more in 19 out of 43 games (44% of the time), their Opp 3pt% is .376 (26th), Opp eFG% is .493 (12th) despite playing in a record-breaking Eastern Conference ineptitude-wise.

[crawdaddy4ou]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1981202-dominique-wilkins-critical-of-lebron-james-61-point-outburst-against-bobcats

Nique salty

[HoopsFanNumero1]

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/1981202-dominique-wilkins-critical-of-lebron-james-61-point-outburst-against-bobcats

Nique salty

Looks like he had a meltdown :lol

[moe94]

Why are we not talking about Al Jefferson and the MONSTER night he had 38 and 19! Yes, like I said, Bron got hot & put on a shooting clinic.


No denying he put on a shooting display. He was hot. Let's not forget, he was playing the Bobcats. A sub 500 team w a match up nightmare.

Nique confirmed as russwest

[Levity]

Nique confirmed as russwest

:lol

[longtime lurker]

81 beats 61 everytime. There have been multiple players to hit 60 points only 2 in NBA history have hit 81. Hell Kobe tha God has multiple 60 point games. Still an amazing performance by Lebron. Would love to see him do this type of thing more often.