Nique somewhat unimpressed by LeBron's 61

[PieceOfFelt]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1981202-dominique-wilkins-critical-of-lebron-james-61-point-outburst-against-bobcats

[Lebron23]

Lebron would be a much better scorer in the fast pace 1980's. Kiki Vandagwahe averaged 29 ppg for Christ sake.

[Rodmantheman]

"At 54 y/o I could drop 40 on that D" :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AnaheimLakers24]

inb4 butthirt mods lock cause no one in reality is impressed with bran bran

[cos88]

i watched him the last year on open court, espn's first take and other shows ... he has a very good impression of himself. he thinks he was better than he actualy was.

[Akrazotile]

Nique on that Bill Russell high sodium diet

[moe94]

Bron is a freakish athlete, yes, no doubt. I could say I was too in my prime, but averaging 30 then against the greats like Bird, MJ, King

Remember me? Y'all remember right?

[ForeverHeat]

lol this nikkas still a single lady. How many rings he won again?

[JT123]

Another bitter old man trying to keep himself relevant. :sleeping
It's sad really.

[Lebron23]

"At 54 y/o I could drop 40 on that D" :roll: :roll: :roll:

The Bobcats are an Elite defensive team in the league

Opp PTS/G: 97.5 (5th of 30)

Def Rtg: 104.1 (6th of 30)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHA/2014.html

[crawdaddy4ou]

Made this same thread and it was locked within minutes :lol

[AnaheimLakers24]

The Bobcats are an Elite defensive team in the league

Opp PTS/G: 97.5 (5th of 30)

Def Rtg: 104.1 (6th of 30)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHA/2014.html
this probably helps you sleep at night you pathetic loser :oldlol:

[tmacattack33]

So KD went 8-24 despite not having to work on defense.

[JT123]

I may be wrong but I just can't see Lebron being this bitter after he is done playing.
Yes Nique and MJ, you guys had great careers, but your time is over. Stop being so insecure. :facepalm

[inclinerator]

he's impressed with al jefferson's stats but not lebron's

[Lebron23]

Nique on that Bill Russell high sodium diet

http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1112/11123556/2444256-8233831785-78793.gif

[JellyBean]

like the comments in the section stated, sounds like Dominique is salty. Lebron was 8-10 from 3pt land. That is 24 points right there. And folks said that he can not shoot 3 Point shots well.

[Lebron23]

this probably helps you sleep at night you pathetic loser :oldlol:


What happened to your primary accounts? Fresh Prince.

[Lebron23]

I love to hear Michael Jordan's comments cause he watched the game yesterday.

[Nikola_]

didnt like dominique in the open court, isnt really a fun guy. seems bitter and still cant get over 1988 dunk contest:facepalm guy probably thinks hes better than bran

[Keno]

So KD went 8-24 despite not having to work on defense.

lmaooo. wonder what nique has to say about this.

[DonDadda59]

The Bobcats are an Elite defensive team in the league

Opp PTS/G: 97.5 (5th of 30)

Def Rtg: 104.1 (6th of 30)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHA/2014.html

Yet they somehow gave up multiple 60 point games to different players within a month or so of each other. 'Elite' is a bit of a stretch :lol

Not taking anything away from Bron or Melo, of course.

[inclinerator]

did anyone watch the celeb allstar game a few years back? he was missing layups against celebs

[moe94]

I may be wrong but I just can't see Lebron being this bitter after he is done playing.
Yes Nique and MJ, you guys had great careers, but your time is over. Stop being so insecure. :facepalm

He's going to be the saltiest. No doubt.

[Warfan]

His best scoring years were in the more fast paced 80s. And lol at guarding mj and bernard, nique was a terrible defender.

Still MKG kept going under screens and Al was just sinking back into the paint giving him some open looks, and even while sinking back into the paint he kept letting him get to the rim to easliy. Not taking away from lbj's game, it was amazing.

[Xiao Yao You]

"At 54 y/o I could drop 40 on that D" :roll: :roll: :roll:

He couldn't shoot his last year with the Spurs.


he has a very good impression of himself. he thinks he was better than he actualy was

Yep. He had a hard time with not being selected to the Dream Team which he wasn't deserving of.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

did anyone watch the celeb allstar game a few years back? he was missing layups against celebs

I was just gonna mention that. He was missing wide open bank shots.

[russwest0]

inb4

"He's just a jealous h8er!!!1!1"

[CelticBaller]

i wonder if hes going to get as much hate as an 80 year old

[Xiao Yao You]

Bron is a freakish athlete, yes, no doubt. I could say I was too in my prime, but averaging 30 then against the greats like Bird, MJ, King

Difference is you were a gunner. Lebron puts up 30 a game while involving his teammates.

[pauk]

That doesnt even make sense, "Dont get me wrong, he was on fire, but they played bad defense".... Let us get this straight, if you are on fire, that means you are hitting jumpshots or even 30 foot jumpshots right at high magnitude? Now, what defense could possibly stop a guy from hoisting up shots? That is actually the only thing which makes any team look like they played "bad defense".... there is NO defense for what Lebron did last night...

Bobcats may not have best offense but they have one of the best defenses and they did try very hard on Lebron.... they later had 1 guy full court pressing him even without the ball and soon as he got to halfcourt he would be met by a 2nd guy trying to deny him the ball or get the ball out of his hands... and he still found a way to score....

Reading through all those tweets Nique made makes him look like he was melting down very hard. Almost makes it seem like he always believed he was better than Lebron or something and now he is even more insecure simply because Lebron scored more than he did?

[JT123]

He's going to be the saltiest. No doubt.
It's difficult to tell when you are serious sometimes. Hopefully this was a troll comment. Lebron has always shown other players love when they put on great performances.

[JT123]

So he wants to know who made Bron work on defense. Who made MJ work on defense when he put up 69 on the Cavs? Craig Ehlo? :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

That doesnt even make sense, "Dont get me wrong, he was on fire, but they played bad defense".... Let us get this straight, if you are on fire, that means you are hitting jumpshots or even 30 foot jumpshots right at high magnitude? Now, what defense could possibly stop a guy from hoisting up shots? That is actually the only thing which makes any team look like they played "bad defense".... there is NO defense for what Lebron did last night...

Bobcats may not have best offense but they have one of the best defenses and they did try very hard on Lebron.... they later had 1 guy full court pressing him even without the ball and soon as he got to halfcourt he would be met by a 2nd guy trying to deny him the ball or get the ball out of his hands... and he still found a way to score....

Reading through all those tweets Nique made makes him look like he was melting down very hard. Almost makes it seem like he believes he was better than Lebron or something?

I'm sure he does. I'd guess he's on his Mt. Rushmore or all-time starting 5.

[moe94]

It's difficult to tell when you are serious sometimes. Hopefully this was a troll comment. Lebron has always shown other players love when they put on great performances.

LeBron is aware of his legacy, stats and accomplishments and won't be pleased when newer players challenge it and people start saying he'll be surpassed. He'll be salty. Guaranteed. Shit, he's been salty over Durant and he's in his prime.

[TheReal Kendall]

I didn't see the game but I somewhat trust his insight due to the fact that he played at a high level with Hall of Famers.

I don't feel as though he was hating or salty but just giving his honest opinion.

In this day and age giving an opinion is put off as "hating".

I mean I feel as though he was trying to give Al his props for a monster game and also calling out the Bobcats' D for their performance.

[DonDadda59]

So he wants to know who made Bron work on defense. Who made MJ work on defense when he put up 69 on the Cavs? Craig Ehlo? :roll:

Winston Bennet (6'7) tried his luck. And Craig Ehlo>Any perimeter defender on the Bobcats. Not like you can't see how Jordan scored:

Jordan 69 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unpVgfDL8j0)

[JT123]

LeBron is aware of his legacy, stats and accomplishments and won't be pleased when newer players challenge it and people start saying he'll be surpassed. He'll be salty. Guaranteed. Shit, he's been salty over Durant and he's in his prime.
Bron has never uttered a negative word about anything Durant has accomplished. I guess calling Durant a beast who can't be stopped by anyone 1vs1 is considered being salty? :confusedshrug:

[SilkkTheShocker]

A guy who never won anything unimpressed by LeBron :applause:

[TheReal Kendall]

Bron has never uttered a negative word about anything Durant has accomplished. I guess calling Durant a beast who can't be stopped by anyone 1vs1 is considered being salty? :confusedshrug:

I honestly feel like his comments about Durant shooting all those shots was kinda negative or meant to knock KD.

Honestly we can't say how Bron would act cause we really don't know the guy

[pauk]

...and that makes it even more funny coming from a guy who got his career high (57 points) against:

86' New Jersey Nets - Bad defensive team that allowed 112 ppg (worst today allows 110), a game where Nique shot 37 FGA & 19 FTA, 0 shots from ~19 feet, majority of FGs from drives caused by BAD DEFENSE...

86' Chicago Bulls - Worst defensive team in the league as far as i remember, a game where Nique even played the 4th despite the almost 30 point lead, he had 0 3pt shots, 21 FTA's, majority of baskets came from the post/painted area layups/dunks caused by BAD DEFENSE...

[JT123]

I honestly feel like his comments about Durant shooting all those shots was kinda negative or meant to knock KD.

Honestly we can't say how Bron would act cause we really don't know the guy
I think he was just saying that he wishes he could go into Cleveland mode more often and have huge scoring games similar to Durant's. Yes, Lebron COULD shoot more, but that is not what is in the teams best interests, which is why he doesn't.

[TheReal Kendall]

I think he was just saying that he wishes he could go into Cleveland mode more often and have huge scoring games similar to Durant's. Yes, Lebron COULD shoot more, but that is not what is in the teams best interests, which is why he doesn't.


He could shoot more and they will still win. Especially if he's hot like last night.

I truly feel like he doesn't trust his shot that much. Sometimes being too passive can hurt your team more than being aggressive.

[TheReal Kendall]

...and that makes it even more funny coming from a guy who got his career high (57 points) against:

86' New Jersey Nets - Bad defensive team that allowed 112 ppg (worst today allows 110), a game where Nique shot 37 FGA & 19 FTA, 0 shots from ~19 feet, majority of FGs from drives caused by BAD DEFENSE...

86' Chicago Bulls - Worst defensive team in the league as far as i remember, a game where Nique even played the 4th despite the almost 30 point lead, he had 0 3pt shots, 21 FTA's, majority of baskets came from the post/painted area layups/dunks caused by BAD DEFENSE...

Maybe he said the same thing about those games as well.

Do you play ball? Why shoot outside when you can do what you want inside?

[WallIn]

:roll: Wilkins

[JT123]

He could shoot more and they will still win. Especially if he's hot like last night.

I truly feel like he doesn't trust his shot that much. Sometimes being too passive can hurt your team more than being aggressive.
I somewhat agree. Sometimes he is too passive because he doesn't trust his shot. They might be able to still win if he shot more, but he has to keep Wade and Bosh happy as well. If those guys don't feel involved that is just going to ruin team chemistry down the road.

[aj1987]

This salty ass hoe scored 57 points twice. Once, he did it against the '87 Bulls, who had a Def Rtg of 107.6 and with an Opp PTS/G: 103.9. The second time, against the '86 Nets, who were just horrible and flat out sucked defensively. LeBron is playing in a much slower era and will pass him in the all-time scoring list next year, with ~150 FEWER played games.

[pauk]

Maybe he said the same thing about those games as well.

Do you play ball? Why shoot outside when you can do what you want inside?

The point here is Lebron was on fire, so i dont understand why Nique is complaining about defense.... there is nothing anybody in NBA history could have done, you couldnt have played him any much better than what Bobcats did.... its not like Lebron was breaking scrub defenders ankles left & right dunking 24-7 where as a better defender/team defense would be able to contain that.... no, he was on FIRE... he would just hoist em up no matter what that defender infront him looked like.... the only way to stop Lebron from doing what he did last night is to send all 5 guys at him, deny him the ball completely....

..and considering Niques 57 point games came when he was NOT on that type of fire... where he was just finding ways to drive inside & score, get FTs etc against actual bad defensive teams, its only HIS games that came due to bad defense, where you COULD question if he really would have scored that many points if it was a better defense.... for Lebrons 61 you couldnt... So why act all that ignorant....

If you see his tweets he is not just finding Lebrons game unimpressive, but finding this era unimpressive aswell.... Yea, i could average 50 easy today bla bla bla....

[houston]

old man bitter

[russwest0]

https://twitter.com/DWilkins21/statuses/440937605677326336


Dominique Wilkins
‏@DWilkins21
Man, some very sensitive Bron fans out there. My goodness!

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Bron fans probably don't even know who Nique is.

[PieceOfFelt]

This salty ass hoe scored 57 points twice. Once, he did it against the '87 Bulls, who had a Def Rtg of 107.6 and with an Opp PTS/G: 103.9. The second time, against the '86 Nets, who were just horrible and flat out sucked defensively. LeBron is playing in a much slower era and will pass him in the all-time scoring list next year, with ~150 FEWER played games.

That 87' Bulls team was pure garbage. It's a testament to Jordan's greatness that they were somehow able to win 40 games. That was a 10-15 win team. Absolutely horrendous.

[SavageMode]

Dominique Wilkins is bitter about the only highlight in his life now is winning Bingo every Tuesday night. Dude is salty as fvck.

[CelticBaller]

https://twitter.com/DWilkins21/statuses/440937605677326336



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Bron fans probably don't even know who Nique is.
:oldlol:

[NumberSix]

This dude is a str8 up crab

[jzek]

i watched him the last year on open court, espn's first take and other shows ... he has a very good impression of himself. he thinks he was better than he actualy was.

'nique held his own against the GOAT

LBJ would be out of the league if Jordan still roamed the courts...

[SavageMode]

'nique held his own against the GOAT

LBJ would be out of the league if Jordan still roamed the courts...
LBJ would bull doze through MJ easily.

[DonDadda59]

LBJ would bull doze through MJ easily.

These dudes couldn't do it:

http://oi44.tinypic.com/25gq5hw.jpg

http://www.keeperofthecourt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Malone.jpg

But the guy who got sonned by Jason Terry in the finals is gonna 'bull doze' the GOAT? :lebronamazed:

[SavageMode]

These dudes couldn't do it:

http://oi44.tinypic.com/25gq5hw.jpg

http://www.keeperofthecourt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Malone.jpg

But the guy who got sonned by Jason Terry in the finals is gonna 'bull doze' the GOAT? :lebronamazed:
Those are centers/power forwards.

Not sure if you ever watch Miami play.

But Lebron has super speed and strength.

All about dat speed.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This salty ass hoe scored 57 points twice. Once, he did it against the '87 Bulls, who had a Def Rtg of 107.6 and with an Opp PTS/G: 103.9. The second time, against the '86 Nets, who were just horrible and flat out sucked defensively. LeBron is playing in a much slower era and will pass him in the all-time scoring list next year, with ~150 FEWER played games.

The 2003 Wizards had a Def Rtg of 104. The 1991 Bulls had a Def Rtg of 105.

Who was better? Don't be a chicken shit and dodge the question either. Thanks.

[aj1987]

That 87' Bulls team was pure garbage. It's a testament to Jordan's greatness that they were somehow able to win 40 games. That was a 10-15 win team. Absolutely horrendous.
True. The actually might've broken the record for fewest games won, if it wasn't for MJ.


The 2003 Wizards had a Def Rtg of 104. The 1991 Bulls had a Def Rtg of 105.

Who was better? Don't be a chicken shit and dodge the question either. Thanks.
Ain't nobody dodging your retarded questions, bitch.

Considering the fact that the Wizards were 18th in the league and the '91 Bulls were 7th, definitely the Bulls.

[DonDadda59]

Those are centers/power forwards.

Not sure if you ever watch Miami play.

But Lebron has super speed and strength.

All about dat speed.

Bruh...

http://youtu.be/VXjHOELwMkE?t=2m35s

Lebron '11 Finals: 17.8 PPG (48% FG)
Jason Terry '11 Finals: 18 PPG (49% FG)

Come on bruh mayne. Let's get real here. 'Dat speed' and 'super strength' couldn't stop Terry from embarrassing him in the finals and outscoring him. Orlando Shaq uses Bronze as paper weight FYI.

[MichaelCorleone]

Irrelevant player trying to get attention.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

True. The actually might've broken the record for fewest games won, if it wasn't for MJ.


Ain't nobody dodging your retarded questions, bitch.

Considering the fact that the Wizards were 18th in the league and the '91 Bulls were 7th, definitely the Bulls.

OK. So you're not a gutless moron. You're just a moron.


Considering the fact that the Wizards were 18th in the league and the '91 Bulls were 7th, definitely the Bulls.

That's interesting. A few minutes ago you listed teams DRtg as if they were the end-all-be-all when evaluating defenses.

What happened?

[bizil]

I think what Nique meant is in the grand scheme of other 60 point games. The same could have been said about some of his high scoring games as well. But then again guys like Nique and Bron put up 45 points and up in legendary playoff moments too. He wasn't knocking Bron, I think he was just comparing it to other games of nearly 50 points and up.

I also think Nique is defensive in general becasue he got DICKED out of his rightful spots in NBA history. And not only that, he did a lot for the L in terms of the dunk contests, all star games, VHS tapes, posters,etc. He was one of the top 6-7 players in his era mass appeal wise. But Nique is the HIGHEST SCORING SF EVER in terms of career points in NBA history! So I think overall, Nique at times speaks his mind like that due to the fact he didn't get his just due. Other guys like Malone, Barkley, Stockton, Miller, and Ewing without rings don't get shitted on like Nique does. Nique's resume speaks for itself.

[aj1987]

OK. So you're not a gutless moron. You're just a moron.

That's interesting. A few minutes ago you listed teams DRtg as if they were the end-all-be-all when evaluating defenses.

What happened?
The '87 Bulls were 11th defensively and the '86 Nets were 12th. The Bobcats are 6th. Didn't post that because I didn't assume that there would be people who're actually as retarded as you. GTFO, kid. You're just embarrassing yourself.

[Xiao Yao You]

I think what Nique meant is in the grand scheme of other 60 point games. The same could have been said about some of his high scoring games as well. But then again guys like Nique and Bron put up 45 points and up in legendary playoff moments too. He wasn't knocking Bron, I think he was just comparing it to other games of nearly 50 points and up.

I also think Nique is defensive in general becasue he got DICKED out of his rightful spots in NBA history. And not only that, he did a lot for the L in terms of the dunk contests, all star games, VHS tapes, posters,etc. He was one of the top 6-7 players in his era mass appeal wise. But Nique is the HIGHEST SCORING SF EVER in terms of career points in NBA history! So I think overall, Nique at times speaks his mind like that due to the fact he didn't get his just due. Other guys like Malone, Barkley, Stockton, Miller, and Ewing without rings don't get shitted on like Nique does. Nique's resume speaks for itself.

His resume says he's a high scoring small forward not one of the all-time greats like he thinks he is.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The '87 Bulls were 11th defensively and the '86 Nets were 12th. The Bobcats are 6th. Didn't post that because I didn't assume that there would be people who're actually as retarded as you. GTFO, kid. You're just embarrassing yourself.

But why list their DRtg numbers as if they mean anything across eras?

Gotcha :oldlol:

[TheReal Kendall]

I somewhat agree. Sometimes he is too passive because he doesn't trust his shot. They might be able to still win if he shot more, but he has to keep Wade and Bosh happy as well. If those guys don't feel involved that is just going to ruin team chemistry down the road.

That's true but games when Wade are out he has to crush opponents like last night.

I feel as though if he go off in games this will benefit Wade and Bosh and cause teams to have to try and double him then that would open up more opportunities for Wade and Bosh.

Like in the finals last year he did trust his shot so it hindered the Heat. If he would've came out the gate scoring and looking to shoot Spurs would've had to change their game plan.

[aj1987]

But why list their DRtg numbers as if they mean anything across eras?

Gotcha :oldlol:
I assumed people were intelligent enough to know that the pace in the '80's was higher, compared to today, and hence didn't list the team's league rank.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I assumed people were intelligent enough to know that the pace in the '80's was higher, compared to today, and hence didn't list the team's league rank.

Are you unaware DRtg is calculated per 100 possessions? :confusedshrug:

[Kingwillball]

Chalmers :banghead:

[Pointguard]

The point here is Lebron was on fire, so i dont understand why Nique is complaining about defense.... there is nothing anybody in NBA history could have done, you couldnt have played him any much better than what Bobcats did.... its not like Lebron was breaking scrub defenders ankles left & right dunking 24-7 where as a better defender/team defense would be able to contain that.... no, he was on FIRE... he would just hoist em up no matter what that defender infront him looked like.... the only way to stop Lebron from doing what he did last night is to send all 5 guys at him, deny him the ball completely....

..and considering Niques 57 point games came when he was NOT on that type of fire... where he was just finding ways to drive inside & score, get FTs etc against actual bad defensive teams, its only HIS games that came due to bad defense, where you COULD question if he really would have scored that many points if it was a better defense.... for Lebrons 61 you couldnt... So why act all that ignorant....

If you see his tweets he is not just finding Lebrons game unimpressive, but finding this era unimpressive aswell.... Yea, i could average 50 easy today bla bla bla....
I think the ease in which Lebron does things ticks other scorers off. This hate from other players is one of the worst I've ever seen. People hate Floyd Mayweather because he wins too easy and is thoroughly better than everybody else. I think Lebron is getting the same negative back feed. Lebron would have had at least 5 other 60 point games I could recall but he chooses not to go there. And amazingly gets a lot of attention when he does which has to tick off a phenomenal scorer like Nique who dedicated himself to score like crazy and never get to 60.

If Lebron was still on Clevelend, He would have gotten 50 probably a dozen times. I think he is one of the few perimeter players in the history of the game that could get to 40 while not being hot from the outside. It really pisses people off. People want him to stay in his lane, as the multi-talented player, and leave the scoring thing alone. Its bizarre, but its real. If Lebron wanted to be a knock out scorer he would quite easily be top two ever. It is what it is. And he's going to step into that lane sometimes.

[DMAVS41]

Are you unaware DRtg is calculated per 100 possessions? :confusedshrug:

Pace impacts this though.

But why drtg is hard to compare across eras...but what you can compare is where certain defenses ranked in relation to the league.

We've been over this a number of times. Take the Pistons in 1990. They had a 103.5 drtg which essentially means nothing...but you can at least look and see they had the 2nd ranked defense that season.

I can assure you that the 07 Mavs did not play better defense than the 1990 Pistons...
That season ranking is better than drtg in and of itself.

I don't know the context of your discussion...just thought I'd point that out if it hasn't been mentioned.

[bizil]

His resume says he's a high scoring small forward not one of the all-time greats like he thinks he is.

If u are the in the HOF, scored more points than any SF of all time, and generally regarded by all experts in the top 10 GOAT SF's, u are CLEARLY an ALL TIME GREAT!! Nique resume speaks for itself. Also keep in mind he was a very good-great rebounder at SF peaking at 9 rebounds a game! That's a gaudy ass number for a pure SF. Nique also revolutionized the SF position as well in terms of athletic alpha dog scoring ability. Baylor, Hawkins, Dr. J, Nique, and now Lebron are the guys who did this for the SF. And the thing about Nique is he's primarily a two foot jumper while the others are primarily one foot take off guys.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pace impacts this though.

But why drtg is hard to compare across eras...but what you can compare is where certain defenses ranked in relation to the league.

We've been over this a number of times. Take the Pistons in 1990. They had a 103.5 drtg which essentially means nothing...but you can at least look and see they had the 2nd ranked defense that season.

I can assure you that the 07 Mavs did not play better defense than the 1990 Pistons...
That season ranking is better than drtg in and of itself.

I don't know the context of your discussion...just thought I'd point that out if it hasn't been mentioned.

Nah, I agree with you. Just irks me when goofs on here post stats without context. Yeah, the Wizards in 03 had a better DRtg rating than the 91 Bulls. And?

[aj1987]

Are you unaware DRtg is calculated per 100 possessions? :confusedshrug:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html

That's how Def Rtg is calculated. You might want to look at it. I'm not gonna explain every little thing.


Nah, I agree with you. Just irks me when goofs on here post stats without context. Yeah, the Wizards in 03 had a better DRtg rating than the 91 Bulls. And?
It's not like I tried to make a bad team look good or a good team look bad. The Bobcats are better than the '87 Bulls and '86 Nets defensively. That's a fact.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html

That's how Def Rtg is calculated. You might want to look at it. I'm not gonna explain every little thing.

Yes, it's adjusted per 100 possessions as I said. :confusedshrug:


It's not like I tried to make a bad team look good or a good team look bad. The Bobcats are better than the '87 Bulls and '86 Nets defensively. That's a fact.

Applying DRtg across eras is a logical fallacy. Ranking them by their numbers per their respective era makes more sense (something you and DMAVS did, so we can agree there).

[DMAVS41]

Nah, I agree with you. Just irks me when goofs on here post stats without context. Yeah, the Wizards in 03 had a better DRtg rating than the 91 Bulls. And?

Exactly.

Comparing drtg and ortg across eras...even different years close together is very problematic.

But, like I said above, you generally won't see a great defense be ranked like 10th in the league or something.

[Prometheus]

This thread is a great example of how people can get sidetracked and sucked into nitpicking arguments that have nothing to do with the OP.

Dominique is jealous because he knows LeBron is a much better player than he was, and he's trying his best not to accept that.

[ProfessorMurder]

Dominique is jealous because he knows LeBron is a much better player than he was, and he's trying his best not to accept that.

Please tell us more about how some man that you've never met before thinks about things. You're reaching harder than LeBron was statpadding.

[Xiao Yao You]

If u are the in the HOF, scored more points than any SF of all time, and generally regarded by all experts in the top 10 GOAT SF's, u are CLEARLY an ALL TIME GREAT!! Nique resume speaks for itself. Also keep in mind he was a very good-great rebounder at SF peaking at 9 rebounds a game! That's a gaudy ass number for a pure SF. Nique also revolutionized the SF position as well in terms of athletic alpha dog scoring ability. Baylor, Hawkins, Dr. J, Nique, and now Lebron are the guys who did this for the SF. And the thing about Nique is he's primarily a two foot jumper while the others are primarily one foot take off guys.

There's All time great players like MJ and Lebron and there are all time great scoring small forwards like Dominique, A.D., English, King, Carmelo etc.. Big difference.

[Prometheus]

Please tell us more about how some man that you've never met before thinks about things. You're reaching harder than LeBron was statpadding.

Nope, sorry, I'm T-Rex on this one. His jealousy is very obvious. It's like that interview in the late 80's when Wilt said he could average 70 points a game and kept trying to imply that he was better than MJ.

[Prometheus]

There's All time great players like MJ and Lebron and there are all time great scoring small forwards like Dominique, A.D., English, King, Carmelo etc.. Big difference.

:applause:

[bizil]

There's All time great players like MJ and Lebron and there are all time great scoring small forwards like Dominique, A.D., English, King, Carmelo etc.. Big difference.

You can put whatever spin u want to on shit. Nique is an ALL TIME GREAT PLAYER!! MJ and Lebron I admit on a higher tier and candidates for a Mt. Rushmore. But Nique still qualifies as an All Time great player. His resume has to many accolades for that not to happen. He finised number 2 in MVP in 1986 DURING the Golden Era of the NBA and small forwards. If Barkley, MJ, Magic, Isiah, and Bird say Nique is an all time great player then he is an ALL TIME GREAT PLAYER:

PG - Big O
SG- MJ
SF- Nique
PF- Malone
C- Cap


These are the leading scorers in terms of points scored for their positions. That's ALL TIME GREAT COMPANY Nique is keeping! ANY PLAYER IN THE TOP 10 GOAT FOR THEIR POSITION IS AN ALL TIME GREAT! Nique is pretty much in every top 10 GOAT SF list with any kind of merit. And he has the accolades to back it up!! So that dictates he's an all time great player FLAT OUT! He's in the damn HOF!!

And Nique wasn't dissing Lebron, he was the way the L is today. It's not really an indictment on the players. Its more of an analysis on how the Bobcats played Lebron in terms of strategy. On TV, I heard Legler, Brent Barry, and Dennis Scott all say things similar to what Nique said in terms of what the Bobcats were doing. Bron would drop 60 on the best of the best. Or on the Bobcats. And Nique would be the first one to tell u that. I didn't see the game so I can't say either way.

[houston]

Nique so overrated. He was Melo of the 80's

[russwest0]

Dominique is jealous

Ah, was waiting for this. Nique was right when he called the LeBron stanbase a buncha' crybabies.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Just like KD's irrelevant game today against the tanking Sixers... and like Kobe's irrelevant game against the 29th place DRTG Raptors

[Straight_Ballin]

Overrated yet in the HOF. No other HOF player who watched the game is disputing what Nique said, so it is what it is.

[russwest0]

Just like KD's irrelevant game today against the tanking Sixers

Yes, and Nique and the rest of us aren't gonna see it plastered all over ESPN tommorrow. Hell, his performance isn't even a main story on their NBA section. It's a tiny side link.

[bizil]

Nique so overrated. He was Melo of the 80's

How exactly are Nique and Melo overrated? Nobody thought Nique was better than Bird. Reason why is because Bird could score just as good AND was a superior all around player. Hell is arguably the GOAT SF! So there is no shame in not being as good as Bird. But other than that, Nique doesn't have to take a backseat to ANY SF of his era in terms of peak value and longevity being great. If anything, Nique is underrated!

Once again with Melo, who said he was ever better than LeBron? NOBODY! So until Durant picked up his all around game, what SF did Melo really have to take a backseat to in this era other than Bron and Durant? Peak Pierce and Melo was close, but it was arguable on who u would have in my opinion. And Paul George hasn't shown he can dominate scoring enough yet.

So when it comes to Melo and Nique, u gotta be Bron, Bird, or Durant level to be clearly better. Anything other than that is arguable or Nique-Melo have the upper hand. So once again, if NOBODY thinks Nique or Melo are better than Bird or Lebron, then HOW ARE THEY OVERRATED??

[sportjames23]

https://twitter.com/DWilkins21/statuses/440937605677326336



:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Bron fans probably don't even know who Nique is.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

LBJ would bull doze through MJ easily.


This bitch here. :oldlol:

If Dirk and Dallas could get into Bron's weak mind, what do you think a stone cold killer like MJ would do? Sit your ass down.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yes, and Nique and the rest of us aren't gonna see it plastered all over ESPN tommorrow. Hell, his performance isn't even a main story on their NBA section. It's a tiny side link.
:facepalm lol who cares about ESPN? You kobe stans are the only ones bringing it up. I don't even watch ESPN unless there's games on

[MichaelCorleone]

Ringless career loser.:facepalm