You have a choice between 2000 era Shaq and current Lebron....

[Dragonyeuw]

Who do you take? Want to steer the discussion away from Lebron vs Jordan/kobe/ durant etc etc for a bit.

[MichaelCorleone]

Current Lebron.

[Dragonyeuw]

Current Lebron.

Can you elaborate on why?

[iamgine]

Lebron.

Shaq burned many bridges in the 2000 era.

[MichaelCorleone]

Can you elaborate on why?
Shaq beats Lebron in:

Size
Postplay

Lebron beats Shaq in:

Speed
Handles
Shooting
Driving
Court vision
Freethrows
Teambuilding
Basketball IQ

They are equal in:

Strength
Athleticism
Toughness

[sportjames23]

They are equal in:

Strength
Athleticism
Toughness


:biggums:

[Dizzle-2k7]

They are equal in:


Toughness
:no:
i disagree. lebron has been known to flop, and this is documented by many nba fines and youtube videos.

you wont find shaq flopping. hence, shaqs toughness >>>>> lebrons

[MichaelCorleone]

:biggums:
Lebron James is every bit as strong and tough as Shaq.

He's up there with Shaq and Malone as one of the strongest players in NBA history.

[sportjames23]

Lebron James is every bit as strong and tough as Shaq.

He's up there with Shaq and Malone as one of the strongest players in NBA history.

Oh my God, for real dude? :banghead:

[MichaelCorleone]

Oh my God, for real dude? :banghead:
Yes. Go google "Lebron James shirtless" and look at that body.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Prime Shaq for sure, hes worth more than an entire NBA team.

[toxicxr6]

I probably take prime shaq over anyone not name MJ.. And then there is a decent list of other names.. Then after that maybe Lebron

[KyrieTheFuture]

The answer is always prime shaq. His best competition would be Dwight Howard. Think about that. He'd be even better in the 10s than he was in late 90 early 2000

[miller-time]

Shaq seems like he would be more work to keep happy. If it was like NBA 2k where things like that don't matter then Shaq. In reality LeBron is probably the safer option.

[JohnMax]

Lebron has hard time guarding David West. He is physically weaker.

[BlazerRed]

Shaq. He would absolutely dominate in this weak C era.

[ImKobe]

It's a close call, but I have to go with Shaq out of sheer respect & the fact he dominated every front court in his prime.

[aj1987]

The answer is always prime shaq. His best competition would be Dwight Howard. Think about that. He'd be even better in the 10s than he was in late 90 early 2000
Did Hibbert, Noah, Pekovic, Gasol, DeAndre, Drummond, etc. all retire?

Shaq was a beast till the '05 season. That's 6 seasons, including the '00 season. If by current LeBron, you mean '10- Lebron, then Shaq is the obvious answer. 6 years of Shaq, including his peak? No brainer.

[MichaelCorleone]

Only Lebron haters are saying Shaq.:oldlol: :facepalm

[aj1987]

Only intelligent people are saying Shaq.
Fixed.

[MichaelCorleone]

Fixed.
Sure...intelligent...:rolleyes:

[sportjames23]

Corleone, you ever see prime Shaq? Serious question.

[dabigbaws]

the better question would be prime shaq or current durant

[ImKobe]

Corleone, you ever see prime Shaq? Serious question.

He was still in kindergarten back then.

[MichaelCorleone]

Corleone, you ever see prime Shaq? Serious question.
Yes I did. The guy who made Kobe look like Jordan Farmar every year. Absolute BEAST. Walking 30/15 in the playoffs ffs.

But current Lebron vs 2000 Shaq, I'll take Lebron. He's my idol, I'll always stand by Lebron.

[MichaelCorleone]

the better question would be prime shaq or current durant
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[KobesFinger]

Shaq beats Lebron in:

Size
Postplay

Lebron beats Shaq in:

Speed
Handles
Shooting
Driving
Court vision
Freethrows
Teambuilding
Basketball IQ

They are equal in:

Strength
Athleticism
Toughness

No to the underlined. You also forgot rebounding and efficiency in Shaq's favour and defensive impact being at least equal or in Shaq's favour.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Not that tough of a choice to me, even though Lebron's having a terrific prime and one of the best ever.

I'd probably pick peak Shaq over just about anybody. And as far as peaks I'd go with (Shaq), MJ, Wilt, Kareem and Bird over someone like Bron.

[MichaelCorleone]

And as far as peaks I'd go with (Shaq), MJ, Wilt, Kareem and Bird over someone like Bron.
:facepalm

[SHAQisGOAT]

:facepalm

What's the point of a dude like you posting? Really?

No one takes you seriously and you're either trolling or a very ignorant person.
Just go do your homework or something, son.

Nobody got time for that.

[FPJ]

Only Lebron haters are saying Shaq.:oldlol: :facepalm

Im a Heat fan, Lakers "hater" and id take prime Shaq over anyone, Jordan included. Shaq changed NBA rules, he was THAT dominant. While Lebron makes his teammates look a lot better than they really are, Shaq used to put the team on his back and at the end of the day gave them each a championship ring.

[AI Thornton]

Yes I did. The guy who made Kobe look like Jordan Farmar every year. Absolute BEAST. Walking 30/15 in the playoffs ffs.

But current Lebron vs 2000 Shaq, I'll take Lebron. He's my idol, I'll always stand by Lebron.

You are a fool. Shaq would destroy the league.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Why do people still reply (with a "serious" answer) to MichaelCorleone's posts, at this point? It baffles me.

[MichaelCorleone]

Why do people still reply (with a "serious" answer) to MichaelCorleone's posts, at this point? It baffles me.
We are the same age (31), I expect you to respect me as I do you.

[AI Thornton]

We are the same age (31)

If that is true, may God have mercy on your soul.

[Doctor Jay]

Im a Heat fan, Lakers "hater" and id take prime Shaq over anyone, Jordan included. Shaq changed NBA rules, he was THAT dominant. While Lebron makes his teammates look a lot better than they really are, Shaq used to put the team on his back and at the end of the day gave them each a championship ring.

this

[CelticBaller]

Shaq

[SilkkTheShocker]

Shaq was always a front runner. He played from 92-11 and he never learned how to be an actual leader in the league. He always gets a pass for all those times his team got swept in the playoffs. 6 times, people.

[Mass Debator]

3-4 year span? Give me Shaq. A whole career (assuming Lebron doesn't leave), I'd take Lebron.

[alec613]

Shaq for complete paint domination.

[TheMan]

Shaq beats Lebron in:

Size
Postplay

Lebron beats Shaq in:

Speed
Handles
Shooting
Driving
Court vision
Freethrows
Teambuilding
Basketball IQ

They are equal in:

Strength
Athleticism
Toughness
:oldlol:

[TheMan]

Yes. Go google "Lebron James shirtless" and look at that body.
:biggums:

[TheMan]

Yes I did. The guy who made Kobe look like Jordan Farmar every year. Absolute BEAST. Walking 30/15 in the playoffs ffs.

But current Lebron vs 2000 Shaq, I'll take Lebron. He's my idol, I'll always stand by Lebron.
If you saw prime Shaq (I doubt you did), then you would certainly understand why someone would pick 2000 Shaq over current LeBron and not be a Bran hater.

IMO, you can't go wrong with either and it depends what you value most but Shaq would demolish the current C position, so give my Shaq.

[MavsSuperFan]

i would take 2000 shaq over any version of jordan.

so 2000 shaq >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lebron

[MavsSuperFan]

3-4 year span? Give me Shaq. A whole career (assuming Lebron doesn't leave), I'd take Lebron.
:yaohappy: :yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[2LeTTeRS]

The answer is always prime shaq. His best competition would be Dwight Howard. Think about that. He'd be even better in the 10s than he was in late 90 early 2000

Who was Shaq's competition in the early 2000s? Jason Collins? 40 year old Arvydas Sabonis? D Rob on his last legs? Shaq put up numbers in the era of the epic big men, but didn't win anything until all the competition at the center position was gone.

[Dave3]

If that is true, may God have mercy on your soul.
Of course not. He's 13 claiming to be older to get people to listen. No one in their right mind would consider Shaq and LeBron equal in strength. Barely even relative to position are they equal in strength, let alone absolutely.

As for prime vs prime, it's not a huge difference, but I still think I take Shaq.

[Uncle Drew]

2000 Shaq = GOAT, period. So, Shaq is the obvious answer.

[eliteballer]

Prime Shaq with Wade and Bosh last year vs the Spurs? Sweep.

[Doctor Jay]

Who was Shaq's competition in the early 2000s? Jason Collins? 40 year old Arvydas Sabonis? D Rob on his last legs? Shaq put up numbers in the era of the epic big men, but didn't win anything until all the competition at the center position was gone.

he never was the "last center left", he was the last great center left, but aside of that Duncan was taking over D-Robs spot and was already a great big man back then, you got Divac, Mourning (pre-disease), Dikembe, Ben Wallace, Yao Ming and Sabonis, who would maybe have beaten his ass if he wasn't that injury prone

[DJ Leon Smith]

Who was Shaq's competition in the early 2000s? Jason Collins? 40 year old Arvydas Sabonis? D Rob on his last legs? Shaq put up numbers in the era of the epic big men, but didn't win anything until all the competition at the center position was gone.

Except for the fact that Shaq won his first ring against DPOY Dikembe Mutombo. And before that he beat or held his own against Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Rik Smits and others.

Try again ****boi.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

[Doctor Jay]

Except for the fact that Shaq won his first ring against DPOY Dikembe Mutombo. And before that he beat or held his own against Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Rik Smits and others.

Try again ****boi.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

I totally forgot about ewing - that was maybe the best center era of all time

no competition:coleman:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Except for the fact that Shaq won his first ring against DPOY Dikembe Mutombo. And before that he beat or held his own against Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Rik Smits and others.

Try again ****boi.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

You mean the same Dikembe that Shaq was allowed to repeatedly elbow in the face? :oldlol:

[KyrieTheFuture]

Did Hibbert, Noah, Pekovic, Gasol, DeAndre, Drummond, etc. all retire?

Shaq was a beast till the '05 season. That's 6 seasons, including the '00 season. If by current LeBron, you mean '10- Lebron, then Shaq is the obvious answer. 6 years of Shaq, including his peak? No brainer.

Roy "45% FG shooting" Hibbert? He's good enough to guard Shaq maaaaybe but not score on him. Lol at all the rest of those names. They would all get thrown around like rag dolls except Pek who isn't tall enough (I refuse to believe he is 6'11)


Who was Shaq's competition in the early 2000s? Jason Collins? 40 year old Arvydas Sabonis? D Rob on his last legs? Shaq put up numbers in the era of the epic big men, but didn't win anything until all the competition at the center position was gone.

How soon we forget Yao and Zo who would both be number one centers today. I'd rather have Dikembe and Wallace than Roy Hibbert too but that's cause I'm a hater.

[Odinn]

It is just about hype. Peak-wise; Shaq has a strong case to be called the best ever and LeBron doesn't have one. Especially Shaq's 1999-00 season is a major candidate for the single best season by a player.

[DJ Leon Smith]

You mean the same Dikembe that Shaq was allowed to repeatedly elbow in the face? :oldlol:

Was he or was he not DPOY?

Thank you and goodnight.

[Jlamb47]

Shaq

[2LeTTeRS]

Except for the fact that Shaq won his first ring against DPOY Dikembe Mutombo. And before that he beat or held his own against Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Rik Smits and others.

Try again ****boi.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.

Frist title? First off Shaq beat Mutombo and the Sixers in '01; or his 2nd title, and second Mutombo only had one healthy season as a starter after that Finals run. If you don't call that his last legs I don't know what is.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Frist title? First off Shaq beat Mutombo and the Sixers in '01; or his 2nd title, and second Mutombo only had one healthy season as a starter after that Finals run. If you don't call that his last legs I don't know what is.

Frist isn't a word.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Frist isn't a word.

Actually it is...

[SilkkTheShocker]

Was he or was he not DPOY?

Thank you and goodnight.

No one is denying that. But not much you can do to defend someone when the refs allow you to push and elbow as much as you want the whole series.

[2LeTTeRS]

How soon we forget Yao and Zo who would both be number one centers today. I'd rather have Dikembe and Wallace than Roy Hibbert too but that's cause I'm a hater.

When Shaq was winning Zo was dealing with his kidney illness and Yao hadn't yet enterred the league (Yao's first season was 2002-03, the year after the Lakers 3peat).

[DJ Leon Smith]

Actually it is...

Use it in the context that the poster suggested.

I'm waiting.

Waiting...

Still waiting...

Thanks Jeff.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Use it in the context that the poster suggested.

I'm waiting.

Waiting...

Still waiting...

Thanks Jeff.

It was obviously a typo. If you're trying to be a smart ass, make sure you do you research next time.

Next.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Actually it is...

Seriously, use it in context and I'll concede defeat.

Waiting HoopsFanNumero1...

Waiting...

Thanks Jeff.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Repeating yourself doesn't make your argument any stronger. It just means you're an idiot.

[DJ Leon Smith]

It was obviously a typo. If you're trying to be a smart ass, make sure you do you research next time.

Next.

If it was an obvious typo, why would you have to point it out. It would be obvious.

Next.

LOL

[bukowski81]

What's the point of a dude like you posting? Really?

No one takes you seriously and you're either trolling or a very ignorant person.
Just go do your homework or something, son.

Nobody got time for that.

:applause: :applause:

And Ill take Shaq

[KyrieTheFuture]

When Shaq was winning Zo was dealing with his kidney illness and Yao hadn't yet enterred the league (Yao's first season was 2002-03, the year after the Lakers 3peat).
Holy shit really?

I'll just go **** myself, I thought he got drafted in like 99 or 2000.

[Milbuck]

Prime Shaq and I wouldn't think about it ever again.

[sbw19]

Regular season? LeBron. Playoffs? Shaq. Finals? Shaq.

[AnaheimLakers24]

shaq easily. a more fair question is 00-04 kobe

more people would still take the bean thpugh. bran bran just isnt exciting to watch. kinda sad really

[Cold soul]

Prime Shaq easily over Lebron.

[aj1987]

Roy "45% FG shooting" Hibbert? He's good enough to guard Shaq maaaaybe but not score on him. Lol at all the rest of those names. They would all get thrown around like rag dolls except Pek who isn't tall enough (I refuse to believe he is 6'11)
I was actually talking about the centers who would do be able to actually make Shaq work for his points. Even prime Robinson and Hakeem couldn't stop him, so he would get his, but they're gonna make him work for it. The smallest among those dude is Noah, who's 6'11 and around 280. Pekovic has T-Rex arms, but he's a legit 6'11 and is strong as ****.

Again, I'm not saying that they're gonna stop Shaq (no one can), but they're gonna make him earn his points. Dwight is not the only one who can bother Shaq.

http://i.imgur.com/IQ34Jy1.jpg