Noah should be MVP.

[Upgrayedd]

Being serious. LeBron and Durant play for stacked teams. The Bulls best player goes down and misses pretty much his second entire season in a row and Noah steps up big. He's getting triple doubles almost every game and keeping the Bulls going right now. They're 34-27, 7 games above .500 when people thought the Bulls would struggle to even make the playoffs this season when Rose went down.

Noah for MVP!

[Marlo_Stanfield]

is he really THAT good??
could the Heat possibly get him???

[Qwyjibo]

No. He's a very good player and it's a nice story but that's all. We don't need more narrative driven winners (Nash, Rose) taking MVPs away from clearly better and more valuable players.

[Upgrayedd]

No. He's a very good player and it's a nice story but that's all. We don't need more narrative driven winners (Nash, Rose) taking MVPs away from clearly better and more valuable players.

BS.

LeBron and Durant play on stacked teams. Noah is carrying the Bulls and will most likely lead them to the playoffs pretty much by himself. He absolutely deserves MVP.

[inclinerator]

agreed, if durant wins it, it should go to noah
but if lebron wins it lebron deserves it

[JohnFreeman]

I don't think he is MVP, probably a top DPOY candidate

[Real Men Wear Green]

And then again, maybe not.

[chairman]

http://tireball.com/backpage/files/2012/12/joakimnoah.gif


OF COURSE! MVP:bowdown:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

A certain Bulls player has already decreased the value of an MVP award. We don't want it to be devalued further.

[bdreason]

The Thunder and Heat are stacked because of LeBron and Durant.

Nobody would be calling a Wade - Bosh Heat or Westbrook - Ibaka Thunder stacked. :oldlol:



Big fan of Noah though.

[Bob Dole]

Noah's a little ugly long haired girl. He better go kiss roses's stolen MVP if he ever wants to get near one.

[chairman]

A certain Bulls player has already decreased the value of an MVP award. We don't want it to be devalued further.
Name one more valuable player right now outside of Kevin Durant & Joakim for their team...(the Heat would still be first seed without lebron) MVP Doesn't mean best player in the game, and if it did...it would go to Durant.

[Natureland]

Ain't no Tom Boerwinkle doe.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Name one more valuable player right now outside of Kevin Durant & Joakim for their team...(the Heat would still be first seed without lebron) MVP Doesn't mean best player in the game, and if it did...it would go to Durant.

The Heat don't even have the first seed right now...

Value is such a vague term because there's no way to measure it. I could argue Big Al is more valuable than Noah but it would be meaningless. The MVP has almost always been given to the best player on one of the top teams. And I would have no problem with Durant winning it. He fully deserves it this season, though I do think it's a close battle b/w him and Lebron right now.

[Akrazotile]

BS.

LeBron and Durant play on stacked teams. Noah is carrying the Bulls and will most likely lead them to the playoffs pretty much by himself. He absolutely deserves MVP.


A players teammates do not determine his value IN THE LEAGUE.

Why cant people get this thru their head?

It is not the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER TO HIS TEAM award. It is the NBA MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.

As in, who was the leagues best player that year? I understand the call to get Noah some recognition. He deserves it. But the reality is 99/100 would still take Lebron or Durant first if they had to pick a player to win with for one season based on this years performances. IMO its not even a debate between those two - it's Lebron. Hes clearly the most valuable player in the game on the court. Any argument against that is being made purely for the sake of breaking the monotony IMO.

[kennethgriffin]

he would have an argument if he was a rodman type rebounder

but 11 per game isnt nearly enough

if he averaged 15ppg/18rpg with his defense.. then yes

[Upgrayedd]

The Thunder and Heat are stacked because of LeBron and Durant.

Nobody would be calling a Wade - Bosh Heat or Westbrook - Ibaka Thunder stacked. :oldlol:



Big fan of Noah though.

But you take LeBron off of the Heat and they've still got Wade and Bosh. You take Durant off the Thunder and they've still got Ibaka and Westbrook.

You take Noah off this current Bulls team and their two best players are Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler.

Sorry, not going to convince me that Noah isn't carrying a much worse team than the Heat and Thunder all by himself to the playoffs.

[Qwyjibo]

But you take LeBron off of the Heat and they've still got Wade and Bosh. You take Durant off the Thunder and they've still got Ibaka and Westbrook.

You take Noah off this current Bulls team and their two best players are Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler.

Sorry, not going to convince me that Noah isn't carrying a much worse team than the Heat and Thunder all by himself to the playoffs.
You'd have an argument if the Bulls were even close to as good as the Heat or Thunder. Lebron and Durant contribute more to their teams than Noah does to his team. The MVP race is those guys 1-2 in whatever order you like and then the field.

[Akrazotile]

But you take LeBron off of the Heat and they've still got Wade and Bosh. You take Durant off the Thunder and they've still got Ibaka and Westbrook.

You take Noah off this current Bulls team and their two best players are Taj Gibson and Jimmy Butler.

Sorry, not going to convince me that Noah isn't carrying a much worse team than the Heat and Thunder all by himself to the playoffs.


The problem is your mind is too simple.

You do not have the intelligence to compare players, because that requires words and analysis.

All you are capable of doing is saying "Noah, Bulls, 50 wins. Bran, Heat, 58 wins. CP3 Clippers, 52 wins. Durant, Thunder, 58 wins. George, Pacers, 59 wins. Etc. Then provide an arbitrary declaration about who has the best teammates.

Its ok. Youre not alone. Most people here need to cling to team record/achievement in order to contribute to a conversation. Otherwise theyd have nothing to offer because theyre just simply unintelligent. So dont worry, you are in expansive company.

[Upgrayedd]

No. MVP should go to the player that if you take him off that team they would be absolutely terrible.

You take Noah off the Bulls right now and they'd be below .500 and not make the playoffs.

You take Durant off the Thunder and they'd be 7th seed probably in the West. You take LeBron off the Heat and they'd probably be 3rd or 4th seed in the East.

Noah is carrying this Bulls team all by himself pretty much and playing amazing basketball right now. He's doing everything. He's not just scoring like Durant and LeBron. He's rebounding, scoring, playing great defense. Noah = MVP.

[Akrazotile]

No. MVP should go to the player that if you take him off that team they would be absolutely terrible.



:facepalm



Again, altho you are extremely dumb, there is no need to despair. You are amongst peers while on Insidehoops.

[FKAri]

The problem is your mind is too simple.

You do not have the intelligence to compare players, because that requires words and analysis.

All you are capable of doing is saying "Noah, Bulls, 50 wins. Bran, Heat, 58 wins. CP3 Clippers, 52 wins. Durant, Thunder, 58 wins. George, Pacers, 59 wins. Etc. Then provide an arbitrary declaration about who has the best teammates.

Its ok. Youre not alone. Most people here need to cling to team record/achievement in order to contribute to a conversation. Otherwise theyd have nothing to offer because theyre just simply unintelligent. So dont worry, you are in expansive company.

He isn't too simple. He's just using arguments that ISHers will understand.

[tpols]

No. MVP should go to the player that if you take him off that team they would be absolutely terrible.

You take Noah off the Bulls right now and they'd be below .500 and not make the playoffs.

You take Durant off the Thunder and they'd be 7th seed probably in the West. You take LeBron off the Heat and they'd probably be 3rd or 4th seed in the East.

Noah is carrying this Bulls team all by himself pretty much and playing amazing basketball right now. He's doing everything. He's not just scoring like Durant and LeBron. He's rebounding, scoring, playing great defense. Noah = MVP.

Thunder would not be in the playoffs w/o durant.. WB missed half the season, and they have little offensive creation outside of Durant

[Upgrayedd]

:facepalm



Again, altho you are extremely dumb, there is no need to despair. You are amongst peers while on Insidehoops.

And you're a jackass who should take his head out of his own ass.

[Qwyjibo]

I guess we should start inserting Kyle Lowry into MVP talks then. Best player on a surprising team that was supposed to go nowhere. Take Lowry off that team and Derozan and company are doing nothing.

[Akrazotile]

I guess we should start inserting Kyle Lowry into MVP talks then. Best player on a surprising team that was supposed to go nowhere. Take Lowry off that team and Derozan and company are doing nothing.


Well hes got some stiff competition with Noah, Jefferson, Dragic, Dirk, Millsap etc in the mix.

[Clyde]

Being serious. LeBron and Durant play for stacked teams. The Bulls best player goes down and misses pretty much his second entire season in a row and Noah steps up big. He's getting triple doubles almost every game and keeping the Bulls going right now. They're 34-27, 7 games above .500 when people thought the Bulls would struggle to even make the playoffs this season when Rose went down.

Noah for MVP!


I love Noah, but this is dumb

[sportjames23]

No. MVP should go to the player that if you take him off that team they would be absolutely terrible.

You take Noah off the Bulls right now and they'd be below .500 and not make the playoffs.

You take Durant off the Thunder and they'd be 7th seed probably in the West. You take LeBron off the Heat and they'd probably be 3rd or 4th seed in the East.

Noah is carrying this Bulls team all by himself pretty much and playing amazing basketball right now. He's doing everything. He's not just scoring like Durant and LeBron. He's rebounding, scoring, playing great defense. Noah = MVP.


This.

[Qwyjibo]

Well hes got some stiff competition with Noah, Jefferson, Dragic, Dirk, Millsap etc in the mix.
Good call.

Using the criteria laid out in this thread, Dragic is absolutely the MVP over Noah.

[NumberSix]

No. MVP should go to the player that if you take him off that team they would be absolutely terrible.

You take Noah off the Bulls right now and they'd be below .500 and not make the playoffs.

You take Durant off the Thunder and they'd be 7th seed probably in the West. You take LeBron off the Heat and they'd probably be 3rd or 4th seed in the East.

Noah is carrying this Bulls team all by himself pretty much and playing amazing basketball right now. He's doing everything. He's not just scoring like Durant and LeBron. He's rebounding, scoring, playing great defense. Noah = MVP.
Soooo.......

Whoever is the best player on a barely 500 team? Isn't that Kevin love?

[Upgrayedd]

Barely .500? They're 34-27. That's 7 games above .500. And Kevin Love has more help in Minnesota than Noah does in Chicago.

This is ridiculous. Noah absolutely deserves to be considered for MVP.

[ABfor3]

Barely .500? They're 34-27. That's 7 games above .500. And Kevin Love has more help in Minnesota than Noah does in Chicago.

This is ridiculous. Noah absolutely deserves to be considered for MVP.
Noah is MVP caliber, he's does literally everything for his team..people just see MVP as the best player on the court..if that was the case then they would have the Player of the Year award or something like that. It's called Most VALUABLE Player meaning most valuable to their team and to the league. Noah does everything for his team..literally. I don't get how some posters think his statement is absurd, you take Noah from the bulls and they are a lottery team. Granted, I don't think he should win it but I'm agreeing that he should definitely be in the discussion.

[oarabbus]

To be MVP:

You should be on a winning team.
You should be the leader of your team.
Ideally, your teammates should not be all-star caliber or even "allstar snub" caliber (there are many exceptions to this one though)

Noah fits all the criteria. I'm not saying he is for sure the MVP but he's in the race.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Noah is to retarded looking with all his clapping and maniac behavior to ever be considered a top 5 player:roll: :roll:
hes top 10 doe:applause: :applause:

[ILLsmak]

The Thunder and Heat are stacked because of LeBron and Durant.

Nobody would be calling a Wade - Bosh Heat or Westbrook - Ibaka Thunder stacked. :oldlol:



Big fan of Noah though.

Well they'd be a lot better than the Bulls without Noah lol

-Smak

[Myth]

A certain Bulls player has already decreased the value of an MVP award. We don't want it to be devalued further.

I think you are really undervaluing Jordan.

[BoutPractice]

He'll probably be top 10 in the voting. If they get the third seed, he might sneak into the top 5, with George and Aldridge having dipped quite a bit since the beginning of the season. And he definitely deserves an all-nba team. That's already quite flattering, he doesn't need more.

[ILLsmak]

He'll probably be top 10 in the voting. If they get the third seed, he might sneak into the top 5, with George and Aldridge having dipped quite a bit since the beginning of the season. And he definitely deserves an all-nba team. That's already quite flattering, he doesn't need more.

agreed, esp if he gets all-nba first... but he's doing work for sure. Top 5 most valuable (assuming) would be insane for him. Talk about reaching your full potential.

-Smak

[(e)]

Noah is playing at a different level right now. He's definitely rose to the occasion since the Deng trade. I'm not going to act like he should be the front runner, but he deserves recognition for his season.

Noah is a player who's best traits don't show up on a stat sheet, and even his stat sheets look impressive. He's leading the Bulls in rebounds and assists, and has literally taken a "point center" like role.

Noah is a great story, and I think he deserves votes...but it belongs to KD at the moment. Noah should get rewarded with first team All-D and one of the All-NBA teams as though.

[salwan]

he's in my top 5 right now, along with Durant and LeBron (of course), then Dragic and Griffin.

[aj1987]

Is this real life? Do people actually think that Noah is an MVP candidate over LeBron, KD, PG, BG, Dragic, Curry, DeRozan, Dirk, Timmy, LMA, Lillard, Harden, Dwight, and Love?

[Prometheus]

Being serious. LeBron and Durant play for stacked teams. The Bulls best player goes down and misses pretty much his second entire season in a row and Noah steps up big. He's getting triple doubles almost every game and keeping the Bulls going right now. They're 34-27, 7 games above .500 when people thought the Bulls would struggle to even make the playoffs this season when Rose went down.

Noah for MVP!

http://hoopsallday.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/laugh.jpg

Please, tell us more. The crowd is loving it. :oldlol:

[Jlamb47]

Noah is not even ahead of Blake Griffin in this MVP race

[goldcrow]

Aren't MVPs awarded to the best player of the team with the best record? Noah has no chance even if he's carrying the Bulls on his back.

[wally_world]

All NBA 1st team? He's the best center in the L right now

The league is not going with the backcourt/frontcourt crap for All-NBA teams right?

[Eric Cartman]

All NBA 1st team? He's the best center in the L right now

The league is not going with the backcourt/frontcourt crap for All-NBA teams right?

Him and dwight are hands down the best C in the league really could go either way for me; noah is more valuable and important to his teams success doe.

[DMAVS41]

Remember when Rose didn't have any help?

[I.R.Beast]

BS.

LeBron and Durant play on stacked teams. Noah is carrying the Bulls and will most likely lead them to the playoffs pretty much by himself. He absolutely deserves MVP.
not with those stats ...get out of here...

[TheMan]

A players teammates do not determine his value IN THE LEAGUE.

Why cant people get this thru their head?

It is not the MOST VALUABLE PLAYER TO HIS TEAM award. It is the NBA MOST VALUABLE PLAYER.

As in, who was the leagues best player that year? I understand the call to get Noah some recognition. He deserves it. But the reality is 99/100 would still take Lebron or Durant first if they had to pick a player to win with for one season based on this years performances. IMO its not even a debate between those two - it's Lebron. Hes clearly the most valuable player in the game on the court. Any argument against that is being made purely for the sake of breaking the monotony IMO.
That isn't true at all. Explain to me why Shaq only has 1 MVP, was he the league's best/most impactful player once in his whole career? Hell no. It's obvious the voters are using other criteria and TBH, I have no clue what it is:oldlol:

[Chicago Brawls]

Remember when Rose didn't have any help?

Yes, the same year the Mavs had any relevancy.

[TheMan]

Yes, the same year the Mavs had any relevancy.
:yaohappy:

[Orlando Magic]

I used to think that Lakers fans were the worst and most ridiculous about overrating their players...

Then the Bulls stopped sucking complete donkey dick and now it's clear that the people of Chicago are by FAR the MOST ignorant basketball fans in the country.

[Legends66NBA7]

He'll get an All-NBA and All-Defensive team selections.

He will get some DPOY and MVP votes. However, he will not win MVP. It's been decided on Durant and James for a good while now.

[TheMan]

I used to think that Lakers fans were the worst and most ridiculous about overrating their players...

Then the Bulls stopped sucking complete donkey dick and now it's clear that the people of Chicago are by FAR the MOST ignorant basketball fans in the country.
http://www.hispachan.org/esp/src/139034952649.png

[Orlando Magic]

That isn't true at all. Explain to me why Shaq only has 1 MVP, was he the league's best/most impactful player once in his whole career? Hell no. It's obvious the voters are using other criteria and TBH, I have no clue what it is:oldlol:

The reason you don't know is because the voters themselves don't even know and it changes yearly.

Basically what happens is a handful of changing people in any given year are very persuasive and very articulate in expressing as to why they think some player should win MVP during the course of said year, and many other people gobble up said thinking because they do little thinking for themselves.

This is the case with most people... sports writers aren't in a class of their own.

There is no set criteria... it's truly just based on what people FEEL like awarding it on in any given year... I think probably the only unchanging aspect of the decision making process is it always goes to *the* best player on *a* top team.

That's about all you can pretty much guarantee with any given year, as the rest is shaped during the course of a season on the basis of whatever direction the wind is blowing, essentially.

[TheMan]

The reason you don't know is because the voters themselves don't even know and it changes yearly.

Basically what happens is a handful of changing people in any given year are very persuasive and very articulate in expressing as to why they think some player should win MVP during the course of said year, and many other people gobble up said thinking because they do little thinking for themselves.

This is the case with most people... sports writers aren't in a class of their own.

There is no set criteria... it's truly just based on what people FEEL like awarding it on in any given year... I think probably the only unchanging aspect of the decision making process is it always goes to *the* best player on *a* top team.

That's about all you can pretty much guarantee with any given year, as the rest is shaped during the course of a season on the basis of whatever direction the wind is blowing, essentially.
That's why FMVP > MVP

Shaq only having one MVP while Nash has two should really kill the argument of said player has this many MVPs so he's better than this other player who has less...in no universe is Nash better or more impactful than Shaq:facepalm

[Orlando Magic]

That's why FMVP > MVP

Shaq only having one MVP while Nash has two should really kill the argument of said player has this many MVPs so he's better than this other player who has less...in no universe is Nash better or more impactful than Shaq:facepalm

I agree wholeheartedly but... the MVP didn't really become a hollow award until 2001.

It's no coincidence, in my opinion, that the explosion of social media and the internet happened at the same time as the MVP losing its prestige.

[TheMan]

I agree wholeheartedly but... the MVP didn't really become a hollow award until 2001.

It's no coincidence, in my opinion, that the explosion of social media and the internet happened at the same time as the MVP losing its prestige.
It started earlier than that, how the hell did MJ just end up with only 5 MVPs? If it's to the best/most impactful player that year, he should have a few more:facepalm

[BoutPractice]

Yet a ranking of players based on MVP shares while very imperfect is still better than any other ranking based on purely objective, quantifiable criteria.