True or false: besides Duncan, gasol is better than any player pop has had?

[MavsSuperFan]

08-10 gasol is better than any player pop has ever coached besides Duncan

While Phil has had
MJ
Shaq
Kobe
Pippen

Who are clearly better than gasol

And I would taker roddman over gasol.
Pop is so underrated

[ralph_i_el]

How is pop underrated? He's the GOAT coach obviously. If you made pop the coach of any NBA team TODAY, they'd have a winning record next season.

Also Drob

[MP.Trey]

http://andthefoul.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/davidrobinson.jpg

[SexSymbol]

I'd take peak manu over Pau Gasol
Peak Parker is debatable too.
Drob is obviously better.
So 2-3 besides Duncan

[longtime lurker]

Drob and Parker for sure. Manu is highly debatable.

[Smook A.]

You completely forgot David Robinson and Tony Parker

[BlackWhiteGreen]

eh... Parker is debatable, for me. I don't think it's anywhere near as clear as some of you are making out

[MavsSuperFan]

You completely forgot David Robinson and Tony Parker
:lol tbh Robinson dropped out of my brain as I was thinking about this topic in the shower this morning.

I think 08-10 gasol (when phil had him) was better than parker.

[Dresta]

I take 2005 Manu over Gasol, not Parker though. He was their closer then and he put up pretty awesome playoff numbers for a 2nd option. His PER throughout the playoffs was actually the same as Duncan's and his TS% was 65.

[JtotheIzzo]

Don't sleep on Manu

[Akrazotile]

Kobe and Manu more IMPACT than a peak Gasol?

:facepalm


And I LIKE Manu quite a bit, more than low IQ Kobrick. But skilled post players who dont fly all around the court stay underrated by the proles.

Same people who think Kobe is in the same league as Duncan, or Carmelo is 'easily better' than someone like Zach Randolph. Dumb fans just dont know how basketball works.

Fools gonna fool.

[JtotheIzzo]

Kobe and Manu more IMPACT than a peak Gasol?

:facepalm


And I LIKE Manu quite a bit, more than low IQ Kobrick. But skilled post players who dont fly all around the court stay underrated by the proles.

Same people who think Kobe is in the same league as Duncan, or Carmelo is 'easily better' than someone like Zach Randolph. Dumb fans just dont know how basketball works.

Fools gonna fool.

Manu should have been finals MVP during one of their runs and he was the best FIBA player on the planet for a 5 year stretch.

[houston]

false

[Akrazotile]

Manu should have been finals MVP during one of their runs and he was the best FIBA player on the planet for a 5 year stretch.


No doubt, Manu healthy and in his prime was a huge asset. But if youre talking about pecking order for a title, Manu is a player that will get you over the top, you cant really start with him IMO.

Both guys very hard to replace on title teams but I think if they each had to be replaced at the time their teams won titles, it would have been easier for the Spurs to substitute someone and still win than Lakers.

[Akrazotile]

Also, as far as OPs point, Pop >>>> Phil

[The Iron Fist]

"The lakers are better without Kobe"

Can't win one playoff game without him and suffer the worst defeat in franchise history.

Pau GOAT PF.

[houston]

Manu should have been finals MVP during one of their runs and he was the best FIBA player on the planet for a 5 year stretch.


No he shouldn't Duncan was the team leading scorer and rebounder in that 05 Finals.

[Akrazotile]

"The lakers are better without Kobe"

Can't win one playoff game without him and suffer the worst defeat in franchise history.

Pau GOAT PF.


Kobe fakes an injury any time he plays poorly, last year he did it to avoid being swept with his teammates and taking a hit to his playoff win %

Dude is so selfish he honestly shits in the mouth of fans over and over with his trade demands, alienating big men, pointing fingers in the media, ballhogging, raping, injury milking etc. But the fans are so dumb and subservient, so DESPARATE to see Kobe succeed because vicariously attaching themselves to him is the ONLY way their life has meaning or any sense of triumph. They are so defensive of him bc they are so pathetic they literally live their lives through Kobes accomplishments bc they are average, generic human proles whose lives have no significance whatsoever.





FACT.

[KyleKong]

http://andthefoul.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/davidrobinson.jpg

Lol.

Close this thread.

[ImKobe]

Prime Manu > Prime Pau, period. Pau never did what Manu did in the 2005 Finals or what Parker did in the 2007 Finals, Kobe's never had that kind of help from a 2nd option.

[KyleKong]

Prime Manu > Prime Pau, period. Pau never did what Manu did in the 2005 Finals or what Parker did in the 2007 Finals, Kobe's never had that kind of help from a 2nd option.

2008-2010 playoff Pau doe.

Game 7 alone, what did he have, 9 offensive rebounds? :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

2008-2010 playoff Pau doe.

Game 7 alone, what did he have, 9 offensive rebounds? :oldlol:

2008 Pau got owned by KG, 2009 Howard outplayed him & 2010 he finally stepped up in the Finals & acted like somebody, 2011 he totally disappeared when we needed him the most.

Pau was inconsistent during the 3 Finals runs for the most part. I respect him a hell lot for the 2010 Playoffs, but he never had an alpha mentality. He always needed Kobe or Phil to check him so he wouldn't stink it up during big games.

[Lamar Odumbb]

Kobe fakes an injury any time he plays poorly, last year he did it to avoid being swept with his teammates and taking a hit to his playoff win %

Dude is so selfish he honestly shits in the mouth of fans over and over with his trade demands, alienating big men, pointing fingers in the media, ballhogging, raping, injury milking etc. But the fans are so dumb and subservient, so DESPARATE to see Kobe succeed because vicariously attaching themselves to him is the ONLY way their life has meaning or any sense of triumph. They are so defensive of him bc they are so pathetic they literally live their lives through Kobes accomplishments bc they are average, generic human proles whose lives have no significance whatsoever.





FACT.

You are disturbing dude. Kobe is in your head so bad you comment about him on every thread.

Plus your life is so great you post 1000 times in less than 3 months.

[aj1987]

2008 Pau got owned by KG, 2009 Howard outplayed him & 2010 he finally stepped up in the Finals & acted like somebody, 2011 he totally disappeared when we needed him the most.

Pau was inconsistent during the 3 Finals runs for the most part. I respect him a hell lot for the 2010 Playoffs, but he never had an alpha mentality. He always needed Kobe or Phil to check him so he wouldn't stink it up during big games.
You're kidding, right? Pau scored 19/9 on 60%. Pretty much maintained his averages against the DPOY. Howard scored 15/15 on 49% with 4 TOV's a game. A drop in almost 5 PPG and 8% (did grab 2 more rebounds though).

'08? No much you can do against that KG, but Pau still managed to score 15/10/3 on 53% (15 points on 10 shots a game), while scored 27 on 40% (27 points on 22 shots a game).

[kennethgriffin]

1996-1997

Dominique Wilkins - 18ppg/6rpg ( top 40 all time legend )

1996-2003

David Robinson - ( top 25 all time legend )

2002-2014

Tony Parker - ( top 60 player all time )






these guys are better all time .. gasols around top 90-100


but you could argue the impact guys like ginobili/bowen/horry had on SAS was greater than pau on LA

[SCdac]

lol @ Dominique Wilkins.... love him as a player but dude was 37 as a Spur and on his last legs

[T_L_P]

'98 Robinson is debatable.

But I'm definitely taking Gasol over Parker and Manu

[kennethgriffin]

'98 Robinson is debatable.

But I'm definitely taking Gasol over Parker and Manu

well if you did that your man duncan would be stuck on 2 titles

since manu was by far the finals mvp in the spurs 4 last victories in 2005...coulda won finals mvp.. had a 20+ppg playoffs

and parker was actually finals mvp in 2007

take those 2 guys away and slip in gasol... that would pretty much ruin everything




but the real key here is... tony parker has been san antonios leader since 2007.. been in mvp talks above duncan the last 4-5 years

his nba career sh*ts on paus


and gasols nba ranking in 2012/13/14 has been around 100th to 120th... while parkers been argued as a top 5 player at times


parker is easly a top 60 player all time

pau isnt even close

[wakencdukest]

Duncan, Parker, Ginobili> Kobe, Gasol. Pop is still a great coach.

[T_L_P]

well if you did that your man duncan would be stuck on 2 titles

since manu was by far the finals mvp in the spurs 4 last victories in 2005...coulda won finals mvp.. had a 20+ppg playoffs

and parker was actually finals mvp in 2007

take those 2 guys away and slip in gasol... that would pretty much ruin everything




but the real key here is... tony parker has been san antonios leader since 2007.. been in mvp talks above duncan the last 4-5 years

his nba career sh*ts on paus


and gasols nba ranking in 2012/13/14 has been around 100th to 120th... while parkers been argued as a top 5 player at times


parker is easly a top 60 player all time

pau isnt even close

Obviously at those various times, yes. But that's not what the OP asked. 2010 Gasol was better than '05 Manu or '07 Parker.

And :oldlol: at Parker being our leader. Duncan has always been the leader. He's still, at the very least, the second option on offense. And he's our defensive anchor.

Also, how the **** is '96-'03 Robinson a top 25 player? His Playoff averages over that stretch are like 14/9/1.5/1/1.5

[T_L_P]

Duncan, Parker, Ginobili> Kobe, Gasol. Pop is still a great coach.

They all peaked at different times.


2010 Kobe, Gasol, Odom > any version of Duncan, Parker, Manu

[Marlo_Stanfield]

kenneth dissing pau
nothing to see here guys, move on:roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

since manu was by far the finals mvp in the spurs 4 last victories in 2005...coulda won finals mvp.. had a 20+ppg playoffs
The **** you smoking bro?
Game 4:
Timmy - 21/15/1
Manu - 21/10/3/2

Game 5:
Timmy - 26/19/2/2
Manu - 15/6/9/1

Game 6:
Timmy - 16/16/2/3
Manu - 12/4/3/1/1

Game7:
Timmy - 25/11/3/2
Manu - 23/5/4/1

Manu was great, but he wasn't even close to being on Timmy's level. Dude was a beast on the defensive end as well. How the hell did Manu deserve the FMVP?

[T_L_P]

The **** you smoking bro?
Game 4:
Timmy - 21/15/1
Manu - 21/10/3/2

Game 5:
Timmy - 26/19/2/2
Manu - 15/6/9/1

Game 6:
Timmy - 16/16/2/3
Manu - 12/4/3/1/1

Game7:
Timmy - 25/11/3/2
Manu - 23/5/4/1

Manu was great, but he wasn't even close to being on Timmy's level. Dude was a beast on the defensive end as well. How the hell did Manu deserve the FMVP?

When it comes to Duncan, most Kobe Stans intentionally forget about the defensive end of the floor :facepalm

[Rocketswin2013]

Lol peak Manu is better than every player Kobe played with not named Shaq. He was practically James Harden with better defense and shooting.

[secund2nun]

Gasol is a lot better than any of Pop's players aside from Duncan. Pop had one good, but past prime year of Robinson though but Gasol is better than that version of Robinson.

Gasol is very underrated. His addition transformed LA from a first round loser to a back to back champion.

Manu and Parker are overrated and Duncan/Pop are underrated.

I have Phil as the 2nd best coach of all time, but Pop is easily #1 in my book.

[secund2nun]

They all peaked at different times.


2010 Kobe, Gasol, Odom > any version of Duncan, Parker, Manu

It's close. Duncan is easily the best of those players though all 3 of those Laker players are better than Manu and Parker.

[wakencdukest]

They all peaked at different times.


2010 Kobe, Gasol, Odom > any version of Duncan, Parker, Manu



I would have gave up Odom in a second for an ultra quick, penetrating , pass first point guard like Parker. Shit, we had Fisher starting for a decade, and he got abused by every point guard in the league.

[Grey Dawn]

Parker easily. Over their careers, but as individual players, Parker is > Chris Paul

[Bodhi]

Kobe fakes an injury any time he plays poorly, last year he did it to avoid being swept with his teammates and taking a hit to his playoff win %

Dude is so selfish he honestly shits in the mouth of fans over and over with his trade demands, alienating big men, pointing fingers in the media, ballhogging, raping, injury milking etc. But the fans are so dumb and subservient, so DESPARATE to see Kobe succeed because vicariously attaching themselves to him is the ONLY way their life has meaning or any sense of triumph. They are so defensive of him bc they are so pathetic they literally live their lives through Kobes accomplishments bc they are average, generic human proles whose lives have no significance whatsoever.





FACT.

u mad bro

[T_L_P]

I would have gave up Odom in a second for an ultra quick, penetrating , pass first point guard like Parker. Shit, we had Fisher starting for a decade, and he got abused by every point guard in the league.

What year would you give the Duncan group?

Obviously if you had '03 Duncan, '05 Manu and '08 Parker, they'd be the best group. But in terms of them all playing at the same time, the Kobe group wins (though the '05 Spurs trio comes close).