Racist Min. State Rep tweeted...

[ralph_i_el]

"Let's be honest, 70% of teams in NBA could fold tomorrow + nobody would notice a difference w/ possible exception of increase in streetcrime"
-@PatGarofalo


**** this guy.

[KyrieTheFuture]

A politician said something ignorant? Lightning could strike me and I wouldn't be as shocked.

[fiddy]

big deal

[bagelred]

Sick of these racist Democrats.

[Calabis]

The whole system is racist for basketball players because its dominated by blacks.
Baseball players can enter the draft out of high school depending on where they are picked and money options....yet they can still go to school and play.

Somehow its ok for a kid to get drafted in baseball, hockey etc., a play for 1100.00, but god forbid a basketball player get drafted to make millions because he needs college..lmao...no college needs him for revenue to build that new lab building on campus....corruption at its finest.

[Mr Exlax]

For what it's worth, Ray Lewis pretty much said the same thing if the NFL folded. Remember that awkward ass interview with Sal Palentonio a few years back?

For the record, I'm a 31 year old black male that used to hoop all the time and rap part time.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Somehow its ok for a kid to get drafted in baseball, hockey etc., a play for 1100.00, but god forbid a basketball player get drafted to make millions because he needs college..lmao...no college needs him for revenue to build that new lab building on campus....corruption at its finest.
That isn't about racism that's about the CBA negotiations between the various player associations and their leagues.

[ralph_i_el]

That isn't about racism that's about the CBA negotiations between the various player associations and their leagues.
^This

The NBAPA is ass backwards half the time. Terrible leadership. Lets see if CP3 can turn it around during the impending CBA negotiations. Can't the players opt out of the CBA after next season? The whole Dfish-Billy Hunter fiasco really screwed over the players.

[Akrazotile]

The whole system is racist for basketball players because its dominated by blacks.
Baseball players can enter the draft out of high school depending on where they are picked and money options....yet they can still go to school and play.

Somehow its ok for a kid to get drafted in baseball, hockey etc., a play for 1100.00, but god forbid a basketball player get drafted to make millions because he needs college..lmao...no college needs him for revenue to build that new lab building on campus....corruption at its finest.


You are one of the people who are bothered by the reality, so you cling to ideology.

The NBA instituted a a dress code after years of not having one, bc too many players, i.e. black players, could not dress themselves professionally. That was not the leagues fault, they were only forced to address it because it was becoming an issue.

The NBA instituted their age limit in part bc too many players, i.e. Black players, were not able to maintain a necessary degree of professionalism and commitment at that age. Some were, and we all know the success stories of Lebron, KG, Kobe etc but other guys just simply werent ready. Part of the problem was teams making bad decisions, but teams own the league theyre not gonna punish themselves. Thats just reality. Thats life. Cryin about this stuff is crying that you dont live in a magical happy fairyworld. If these issues bother you, go volunteer in the inner city. Dont bitch about a system thats not catering to some whiners on the internet with no initiative to change anything. That will never be the case.

Many institutions that people claim are "racially" bias are in fact simply CULTURALLY bias. And guess what? They have the right to be. Sorry.

[ralph_i_el]

You are one of the people who are bothered by the reality, so you cling to ideology.

The NBA instituted a a dress code after years of not having one, bc too many players, i.e. black players, could not dress themselves professionally. That was not the leagues fault, they were only forced to address it because it was becoming an issue.

The NBA instituted their age limit in part bc too many players, i.e. Black players, were not able to maintain a necessary degree of professionalism and commitment at that age. Some were, and we all know the success stories of Lebron, KG, Kobe etc but other guys just simply werent ready. Part of the problem was teams making bad decisions, but teams own the league theyre not gonna punish themselves. Thats just reality. Thats life. Cryin about this stuff is crying that you dont live in a magical happy fairyworld. If these issues bother you, go volunteer in the inner city. Dont bitch about a system thats not catering to some whiners on the internet with no initiative to change anything. That will never be the case.
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typical hood shit

[UK2K]

You are one of the people who are bothered by the reality, so you cling to ideology.

The NBA instituted a a dress code after years of not having one, bc too many players, i.e. black players, could not dress themselves professionally. That was not the leagues fault, they were only forced to address it because it was becoming an issue.

The NBA instituted their age limit in part bc too many players, i.e. Black players, were not able to maintain a necessary degree of professionalism and commitment at that age. Some were, and we all know the success stories of Lebron, KG, Kobe etc but other guys just simply werent ready. Part of the problem was teams making bad decisions, but teams own the league theyre not gonna punish themselves. Thats just reality. Thats life. Cryin about this stuff is crying that you dont live in a magical happy fairyworld. If these issues bother you, go volunteer in the inner city. Dont bitch about a system thats not catering to some whiners on the internet with no initiative to change anything. That will never be the case.

Many institutions that people claim are "racially" bias are in fact simply CULTURALLY bias. And guess what? They have the right to be. Sorry.

Yep. This.

[FLDFSU]

The whole system is racist for basketball players because its dominated by blacks.
Baseball players can enter the draft out of high school depending on where they are picked and money options....yet they can still go to school and play.

Somehow its ok for a kid to get drafted in baseball, hockey etc., a play for 1100.00, but god forbid a basketball player get drafted to make millions because he needs college..lmao...no college needs him for revenue to build that new lab building on campus....corruption at its finest.

^ Wow someone gets it.

And this is coming from a person who went to FSU on a grant provided for by the FSU football program. But that won't stop morons from claiming that basketball and football players should be grateful because they are going to school for free. If Jamies Winston decides he wants to pursue his pre-med education more, and declines to play football, how much you wanna bet he won't be at FSU for "free"?

[ralph_i_el]

^ Wow someone gets it.

And this is coming from a person who went to FSU on a grant provided for by the FSU football program. But that won't stop morons from claiming that basketball and football players should be grateful because they are going to school for free. If Jamies Winston decides he wants to pursue his pre-med education more, and declines to play football, how much you wanna bet he won't be at FSU for "free"?

college's didn't decide there needed to be an NBA age limit, that came out of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. It is advantageous to current NBA players to make future NBA players wait a year, and it is advantageous to owners to be able to scout players for another season.

You can go play for money anywhere else besides the NBA :confusedshrug:


Disclaimer: I believe the NCAA should be abolished and that college sports for profit is a bad bad idea. If anything they should just have minor league teams that are affiliated with schools. Compensation could be provided for the players with money OR scholarships. You shouldn't force an athlete to be a student just like you shouldn't force a student to be an athlete.

[Real Men Wear Green]

^ Wow someone gets it.

And this is coming from a person who went to FSU on a grant provided for by the FSU football program. But that won't stop morons from claiming that basketball and football players should be grateful because they are going to school for free. If Jamies Winston decides he wants to pursue his pre-med education more, and declines to play football, how much you wanna bet he won't be at FSU for "free"?
People that complain about basketball players going pro early but have nothing to say about MLB/NHL are probably racist. But the reason the difference exists is about the CBAs, not racism. The NBA owners want the kids to stay in school because they are getting a free developmental league and the players are more likely to give in because early entry takes jobs from current CBA members. The NBPA may pay lip service to wanting to allow 18 year-olds to play but it's actually not in the best interest of current membership.

[Mass Debator]

:banghead: :hammerhead: :wtf: :roll: :no: :facepalm

[Jailblazers7]

The NBA instituted their age limit in part bc too many players, i.e. Black players, were not able to maintain a necessary degree of professionalism and commitment at that age. Some were, and we all know the success stories of Lebron, KG, Kobe etc but other guys just simply werent ready. Part of the problem was teams making bad decisions, but teams own the league theyre not gonna punish themselves. Thats just reality. Thats life. Cryin about this stuff is crying that you dont live in a magical happy fairyworld. If these issues bother you, go volunteer in the inner city. Dont bitch about a system thats not catering to some whiners on the internet with no initiative to change anything. That will never be the case.

Shorter version:

Teams are bad at drafting so they instituted the age limit so they can't shoot themselves in the foot by taking an unproven HS player.

[SexSymbol]

That was a very good joke, if you can't laugh at stereotypes, you're stupid.
The only people that don't laugh at stereotype jokes are the ones who those stereotypes are made after

[UK2K]

Hes probably right. If the Bucks closed up shop, would anyone notice?

[Real Men Wear Green]

That was a very good joke, if you can't laugh at stereotypes, you're stupid.
The only people that don't laugh at stereotype jokes are the ones who those stereotypes are made after
Yeah, racism is so much fun.

[ralph_i_el]

Hes probably right. If the Bucks closed up shop, would anyone notice?

If this was true then NBA team values wouldn't be skyrocketing and billionaires wouldn't be fighting each other to buy in to the league. There is literally an ownership group already in place to steal any team and bring it to Seattle. Bucks are a likely target.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

lol what does that even mean? Basketball is a form of entertainment nobody really thinks it's some integral part of life.

[Rasheed1]

:lol Thats rich coming from a politician..

The biggest criminals known to man.. and yet you get one theorizing about what someone else's life would be like if they didn't actually have the opportunity that they have.. :facepalm

Politicians have a lower approval rating than street crime, so i don't really see the point in the tweet other than to be a racist prick

it figures tho.. some people have nothing but hatred and jealousy in their hearts anyway..

[SexSymbol]

Yeah, racism is so much fun.
It's playful racism, which is one of the best comedy genres ever.

[Akrazotile]

Shorter version:

Teams are bad at drafting so they instituted the age limit so they can't shoot themselves in the foot by taking an unproven HS player.


All teams whiff on draft picks. The reason HS players were a bigger problem in the NBA than in sports like mlb and hockey is because for whatever reason you wanna call it, background, race, culture etc you get more guys in basketball who slack when they get the first paycheck than in prob every other sport COMBINED

You dont wanna blame the little guy. I understand. You only want to see it as one sided, where the guy with yachts and mansions is always the big bad wolf, and everyone else, ESPECIALLY god forbid if theyre a minority, is always the innocent little lamb.

You have a reality complex. You see things in that way bc it helps you deal. Ok. Thats on you. But the situation is driven by the reality. The owners pushed this for a reason. Owners like the late Jerry Buss who mentored Magic like a son. Owners like Michael Jordan. Owners like Les Alexander and Paul Allen who are known liberals.

I understand man. Race is the constructed battleground on which you pit good vs evil, big vs little, etc and convince yourself you are the noble cornerman for rocky. Thats your construct. We get it. But reality has its own agenda, and the truth is the owners arent just doing this on a whim bc each weekend they meet in secret and wear robes while conspiring to be more racist. That would be really awkward with MJ there. You know he supports the rule to make players wait after HS, right?

[Akrazotile]

:lol Thats rich coming from a politician..

The biggest criminals known to man.. and yet you get one theorizing about what someone else's life would be like if they didn't actually have the opportunity that they have.. :facepalm

Politicians have a lower approval rating than street crime, so i don't really see the point in the tweet other than to be a racist prick

it figures tho.. some people have nothing but hatred and jealousy in their hearts anyway..

When he speaks about NBA players you assume he means black people and you rip him for ripping them.

But when you speak about politicians and rip them, we shouldnt assume you mean white people because...?



Oh, right. It falls under the arbitrary "Well, nah uh because thats DIFFERENT!" excuse. Its never been a better time to be a victim huh rasheed.

[Crown&Coke]

I wonder why he decided to tweet something like that?

If it was just a random thought that popped into his head that would be really idiotic to tweet that to the world

[Akrazotile]

I wonder why he decided to tweet something like that?

If it was just a random thought that popped into his head that would be really idiotic to tweet that to the world


Its definitely distasteful and disrespectful to NBA players (not BLACK people). But honestly who cares? Its his opinion.

The people who need to stand on soap boxes over this stuff all the time are usually the people who otherwise dont feel very tall. See: rmwg

[Jailblazers7]

All teams whiff on draft picks. The reason HS players were a bigger problem in the NBA than in sports like mlb and hockey is because for whatever reason you wanna call it, background, race, culture etc you get more guys in basketball who slack when they get the first paycheck than in prob every other sport COMBINED

You dont wanna blame the little guy. I understand. You only want to see it as one sided, where the guy with yachts and mansions is always the big bad wolf, and everyone else, ESPECIALLY god forbid if theyre a minority, is always the innocent little lamb.

You have a reality complex. You see things in that way bc it helps you deal. Ok. Thats on you. But the situation is driven by the reality. The owners pushed this for a reason. Owners like the late Jerry Buss who mentored Magic like a son. Owners like Michael Jordan. Owners like Les Alexander and Paul Allen who are known liberals.

I understand man. Race is the constructed battleground on which you pit good vs evil, big vs little, etc and convince yourself you are the noble cornerman for rocky. Thats your construct. We get it. But reality has its own agenda, and the truth is the owners arent just doing this on a whim bc each weekend they meet in secret and wear robes while conspiring to be more racist. That would be really awkward with MJ there. You know he supports the rule to make players wait after HS, right?

Nice, it is always entertaining to watch you spin your own narrative. I'm not absolving the players of responsibility. Notice how I'm not the one bringing up race at all here but somehow I'm the one who is approaching the subject from a racial angle.

Part of the reason GMs were making terrible draft picks is because of the point you made about the lack of maturity and responsibility on the part of HS players. Like you said, the owners aren't going to punish themselves. They set up the age limit to make it easier for themselves to avoid ****ing up draft picks. They were poor judges of both talent AND character so they set up safeguards.

[Rasheed1]

[QUOTE=Akrazotile]
But when you speak about politicians and rip them, we shouldnt assume you mean white people because

[NumberSix]

fact is.. i don't mean just white people because there are plenty of black politicians who are criminals… the president is a good example of that...

the fact that you inferred that has more to do with your inferiority complex within yourself than anything I said..

Its the occupation and corruption involved within that makes them bigger criminals than any "street criminal"

Don't get into it with me.. you're weak race baiting tactics do not work over here star face..

you are a bigot troll who has an axe to grind with the world because you're a loser who can't accept responsibility for own ineptitude..
And the tweet didn't say ALL black people. How is that any different? It actually made no mention of race at all.


The main point you are all missing is that the NBA players union is more against kids coming straight out of high school than anybody else. The longer it takes for younger guys to make it into the league, the longer veteran players get to play for veteran minimum contracts.

[Akrazotile]

Nice, it is always entertaining to watch you spin your own narrative. I'm not absolving the players of responsibility. Notice how I'm not the one bringing up race at all here but somehow I'm the one who is approaching the subject from a racial angle.

Part of the reason GMs were making terrible draft picks is because of the point you made about the lack of maturity and responsibility on the part of HS players. Like you said, the owners aren't going to punish themselves. They set up the age limit to make it easier for themselves to avoid ****ing up draft picks. They were poor judges of both talent AND character so they set up safeguards.


In my original post I divied blame between the teams, and the "aau culture" of incoming players.

You then quoted my post and said that a quicker description would be that its the owners fault.

You basically cut out the half that had to do with the players. :rolleyes: What else would someone reasonably infer about your position.

[Rasheed1]

And the tweet didn't say ALL black people. How is that any different? It actually made no mention of race at all.

I never said it did say ALL black people.. The coded language used in the tweet though is clear enough

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I never said it did say ALL black people.. The coded language used in the tweet though is clear enough

[NumberSix]

[QUOTE=Rasheed1]I never said it did say ALL black people.. The coded language used in the tweet though is clear enough

[Rasheed1]

Maybe the guy himself is a racist. Its even likely.

However his tweet was a stereotype of NBA players. NBA players have a perceived association with urban/hiphop culture. The players who get in trouble typically exemplify that association. This is just REALITY.

If he claimed that the cancellation of an aeronautical engineering club at Grambling meant more incoming crime, THEN youd have a leg to stand on as far as the agenda of the comments.

Everyone knows there is a general segment of NBA players who see themselves as glorified street kingpins. Your need to make it a PC outrage when someone says it aloud is pitiful.


:lol you're a dumb ass

[Rasheed1]

Don't get my wrong. IMO, he's clearly suggesting..

Black men = street crime.

That's just my opinion though. I can't read his mind.


you don't have to read his mind to understand what he was insinuating

[Akrazotile]

This is like when a neighborhood turns to shit and people cant walk down the street, and if they say "black people" its an outrage. So they try and be more accurate. But when they say "thugs" everyones like OH YOU MEAN BLACK PEOPLE.


Its basically a passive aggressive means to prevent ANY black person or group of black people from being criticized. Its bullshit. People need to stop being so scared to say something. Dont let pc fakkits bully you. If you know what you mean, and you know you arent a blanket bigot, then just say what you mean. Say it and even if others disagree with the opinion, the smart ones will respect your honesty.

[NumberSix]

This is like when a neighborhood turns to shit and people cant walk down the street, and if they say "black people" its an outrage. So they try and be more accurate. But when they say "thugs" everyones like OH YOU MEAN BLACK PEOPLE.


Its basically a passive aggressive means to prevent ANY black person or group of black people from being criticized. Its bullshit. People need to stop being so scared to say something. Dont let pc fakkits bully you. If you know what you mean, and you know you arent a blanket bigot, then just say what you mean. Say it and even if others disagree with the opinion, the smart ones will respect your honesty.
"Black people" is not a real thing though. Skin color doesn't = race. There are million of Caucasians with black skin.

[Akrazotile]

"Black people" is not a real thing though. Skin color doesn't = race. There are million of Caucasians with black skin.


Oh believe me, I know. I put "black" on every form/application I have to fill out these days.

[NumberSix]

Oh believe me, I know. I put "black" on every form/application I have to fill out these days.
Unless you're talking about college applications, that's not going to do you any favors.

[FLDFSU]

college's didn't decide there needed to be an NBA age limit, that came out of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. It is advantageous to current NBA players to make future NBA players wait a year, and it is advantageous to owners to be able to scout players for another season.

You can go play for money anywhere else besides the NBA :confusedshrug:


Disclaimer: I believe the NCAA should be abolished and that college sports for profit is a bad bad idea. If anything they should just have minor league teams that are affiliated with schools. Compensation could be provided for the players with money OR scholarships. You shouldn't force an athlete to be a student just like you shouldn't force a student to be an athlete.

Who said anything about college forcing kids to stay at their institutions? The NCAA and the NBA conspiring to restrict access to the NBA is a topic for another day.

I was referencing the completely moronic general public who thinks football and basketball players are given some sort of free ride.

And BTW, this nonsense about GMs and Owners needing another year to scout players in High School or College or elsewhere:

DON'T DRAFT PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT 4 YEARS REMOVED FROM HIGH SCHOOL IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF THEIR POTENTIAL IN THE NBA!

Instead of drafting Lebron...draft Wade or Bosh, or Melo, etc.

HELLO! GMS ARE PAID MILLIONS TO EVALUATE TALENT. IF YOU CANNOT DO SUCH STEP ASIDE AND ALLOW PEOPLE WHO CAN. OR CREATE A POLICY THAT STIPULATES YOU WILL NOT DRAFT PLAYERS NOT FOUR YEARS REMOVED FROM HIGH SCHOOL.

It is the same nonsense with "overpaying players."

HELLO! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY JOE JOHNSON 130 MILLION JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE WILL. IF YOU DO NOT THINK JOHNSON IS WORTH 130 MILLION DO NOT PAY HIM LET HIM HIT FREE AGENCY.

Man, I wish I was paid millions of dollars just so I can complain about not being able to scout players or "having" to give out unwise contracts.

[navy]

Oh believe me, I know. I put "black" on every form/application I have to fill out these days.
:facepalm

[oarabbus]

"Let's be honest, 70% of teams in NBA could fold tomorrow + nobody would notice a difference w/ possible exception of increase in streetcrime"
-@PatGarofalo


**** this guy.

He's right, I would take to the streets and instigate riots immediately if the NBA shut down tomorrow.


Unless you're talking about college applications, that's not going to do you any favors.

Try it on your loan or credit card applications :lol

[Rasheed1]

Who said anything about college forcing kids to stay at their institutions? The NCAA and the NBA conspiring to restrict access to the NBA is a topic for another day.

I was referencing the completely moronic general public who thinks football and basketball players are given some sort of free ride.

And BTW, this nonsense about GMs and Owners needing another year to scout players in High School or College or elsewhere:

DON'T DRAFT PLAYERS THAT ARE NOT 4 YEARS REMOVED FROM HIGH SCHOOL IF YOU ARE UNSURE OF THEIR POTENTIAL IN THE NBA!

Instead of drafting Lebron...draft Wade or Bosh, or Melo, etc.

HELLO! GMS ARE PAID MILLIONS TO EVALUATE TALENT. IF YOU CANNOT DO SUCH STEP ASIDE AND ALLOW PEOPLE WHO CAN. OR CREATE A POLICY THAT STIPULATES YOU WILL NOT DRAFT PLAYERS NOT FOUR YEARS REMOVED FROM HIGH SCHOOL.

It is the same nonsense with "overpaying players."

HELLO! YOU DO NOT HAVE TO PAY JOE JOHNSON 130 MILLION JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE WILL. IF YOU DO NOT THINK JOHNSON IS WORTH 130 MILLION DO NOT PAY HIM LET HIM HIT FREE AGENCY.

Man, I wish I was paid millions of dollars just so I can complain about not being able to scout players or "having" to give out unwise contracts.

Thats why I always say NBA front offices are the ABSOLUTE WORST of the four major sports

[Parps]

Relax guys, it's because the "NBA Cares" program would go away.

[ralph_i_el]

He's right, I would take to the streets and instigate riots immediately if the NBA shut down tomorrow.





you're good people

[FLDFSU]

Shorter version:

Teams are bad at drafting so they instituted the age limit so they can't shoot themselves in the foot by taking an unproven HS player.

Your version is much better than mines. But the point is the same.

:applause:

[FLDFSU]

When he speaks about NBA players you assume he means black people and you rip him for ripping them.

But when you speak about politicians and rip them, we shouldnt assume you mean white people because...?



Oh, right. It falls under the arbitrary "Well, nah uh because thats DIFFERENT!" excuse. Its never been a better time to be a victim huh rasheed.


The only one mentioning race is you.

[oarabbus]

you're good people
:cheers:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Your version is much better than mines. But the point is the same.

:applause:

That FSU education..

[FLDFSU]

That FSU education..


If we are being picky and such, what is ".."?

[Akrazotile]

The only one mentioning race is you.


You mean besides the thread title? :facepalm

[aburre21]

Prime example why I generally don't like white people...And these are the people who run our country and have significant power and influence too. Hope he gets shot by one of those criminals :lol

[LBJ4MVP23]

Prime example why I generally don't like white people...And these are the people who run our country and have significant power and influence too. Hope he gets shot by one of those criminals :lol

Black people are 13% of the US population, but are now the majority on welfare. Whether you are in the US, Japan, Argentina, or Africa.... blacks being poor or wealthy, in charge or the down trodden, where ever they congregate there is violence. FACT.

Bad neighborhood? Dont blame the parents, blame whitey.
Fatherless homes? White mans fault.
Unemployed? Whitey.
Drug addicted? Whitey.

Why is it that every single other race that and group that came to the US doesnt cause as much trouble, and yet blacks have more programs and initiatives, private and government sponsored and still cause the most trouble? Oh yea, whiteys fault. I forgot.

You racist bastard, if every white person disappeared the US would like the Congo. Now look at white societies like Norway and see what life is like there. Its not supernatural the the cradle of civilization has produced absolutely nothing but bloodshed and Aids.

[sd3035]

Black people are 13% of the US population, but are now the majority on welfare. Whether you are in the US, Japan, Argentina, or Africa.... blacks being poor or wealthy, in charge or the down trodden, where ever they congregate there is violence. FACT.

Bad neighborhood? Dont blame the parents, blame whitey.
Fatherless homes? White mans fault.
Unemployed? Whitey.
Drug addicted? Whitey.

Why is it that every single other race that and group that came to the US doesnt cause as much trouble, and yet blacks have more programs and initiatives, private and government sponsored and still cause the most trouble? Oh yea, whiteys fault. I forgot.

You racist bastard, if every white person disappeared the US would like the Congo. Now look at white societies like Norway and see what life is like there. Its not supernatural the the cradle of civilization has produced absolutely nothing but bloodshed and Aids.

What you said is all true, but you'll probably be attacked and labeled a racist

[aburre21]

Black people are 13% of the US population, but are now the majority on welfare. Whether you are in the US, Japan, Argentina, or Africa.... blacks being poor or wealthy, in charge or the down trodden, where ever they congregate there is violence. FACT.

Bad neighborhood? Dont blame the parents, blame whitey.
Fatherless homes? White mans fault.
Unemployed? Whitey.
Drug addicted? Whitey.

Why is it that every single other race that and group that came to the US doesnt cause as much trouble, and yet blacks have more programs and initiatives, private and government sponsored and still cause the most trouble? Oh yea, whiteys fault. I forgot.

You racist bastard, if every white person disappeared the US would like the Congo. Now look at white societies like Norway and see what life is like there. Its not supernatural the the cradle of civilization has produced absolutely nothing but bloodshed and Aids.



another racist whitey....****in cowards



400+ years of involuntary servitude, racism, discrimination, segregation, etc. and you expect the effects to disappear in a few generations? How about you research Black Wall Street or Rosewood, successful black communities that were categorically destroyed by whites such as yourself. You can't complain about blacks not being self-reliant when your race prevented them from being so in the first place and hindered upward mobility by blacks at every turn. Suck a dick!

[kentatm]

Maybe the guy himself is a racist. Its even likely.

However his tweet was a stereotype of NBA players. NBA players have a perceived association with urban/hiphop culture. The players who get in trouble typically exemplify that association. This is just REALITY.

If he claimed that the cancellation of an aeronautical engineering club at Grambling meant more incoming crime, THEN youd have a leg to stand on as far as the agenda of the comments.

Everyone knows there is a general segment of NBA players who see themselves as glorified street kingpins. Your need to make it a PC outrage when someone says it aloud is pitiful.

:roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm

Well if you take this guy at his word that he was commenting on high NBA arrest rates then at best he is incredibly ignorant.

However, one must wonder why he would assume, with no facts to back it up mind you, that NBA players get arrested more than the general populace (news flash, they don't) or that they believe they are above the law any more than anyone else that happens to make a shitload of money.

Sorry, but its really hard to not come to the conclusion that the prevalence of a certain pigmentation in the league and his feelings towards is the root cause of his belief.

[sd3035]

another racist whitey....****in cowards



400+ years of involuntary servitude, racism, discrimination, segregation, etc. and you expect the effects to disappear in a few generations? How about you research Black Wall Street or Rosewood, successful black communities that were categorically destroyed by whites such as yourself. You can't complain about blacks not being self-reliant when your race prevented them from being so in the first place and hindered upward mobility by blacks at every turn. Suck a dick!


You're not making a good case with random insults and incoherent ranting.

BTW the African slave trade had been around for a long time before Europeans ever got involved, Africans decided to try to sell their own slaves to Europeans, and some European colonists obliged, eventually slavery was outlawed in all white societies, while it's still common in some African nations

[ralph_i_el]

another racist whitey....****in cowards



400+ years of involuntary servitude, racism, discrimination, segregation, etc. and you expect the effects to disappear in a few generations? How about you research Black Wall Street or Rosewood, successful black communities that were categorically destroyed by whites such as yourself. You can't complain about blacks not being self-reliant when your race prevented them from being so in the first place and hindered upward mobility by blacks at every turn. Suck a dick!

I'm Irish/Scotish and you don't hear me complaining about the Anglo-Saxon Brits do you? Yet I still catch flak for black slavery when my people didn't even come to this country until the 1910's.

I say black slavery because the enslavement and serfdom of whites is well documented in many regions.

You're the racist.

[sd3035]

I'm Irish/Scotish and you don't hear me complaining about the Anglo-Saxon Brits do you? Yet I still catch flak for black slavery when my people didn't even come to this country until the 1910's.

I say black slavery because the enslavement and serfdom of whites is well documented in many regions.


A lot of people don't know about white slavery in Africa because white people don't really care to whine and complain about events from hundreds of years ago

[ralph_i_el]

A lot of people don't know about white slavery in Africa because white people don't really care to whine and complain about events from hundreds of years ago

Indeed. I just love history, the good and the bad.

[bdreason]

Obviously a racist comment, but I doubt it will effect the polls in a state like Minnesota. Sadly, he probably gains some votes from his racist comments.

[aburre21]

You're not making a good case with random insults and incoherent ranting.

BTW the African slave trade had been around for a long time before Europeans ever got involved, Africans decided to try to sell their own slaves to Europeans, and some European colonists obliged, eventually slavery was outlawed in all white societies, while it's still common in some African nations
You think I care if i'm making a good case to a white boy like you? :roll:



**** you and the ***** you came out of! Clown!



Do you expect the effects of systemic discrimination and oppression to dissipate in a matter of a few generations? It was a simple question that you dodged. I mean we're talking about a group of people who weren't allowed their civil rights until the 1960s. I guess it had no effect though huh? It was a blessing to those blackies that they were taken from Africa huh? ****in cac!

[aburre21]

I'm Irish/Scotish and you don't hear me complaining about the Anglo-Saxon Brits do you? Yet I still catch flak for black slavery when my people didn't even come to this country until the 1910's.

I say black slavery because the enslavement and serfdom of whites is well documented in many regions.

You're the racist.


Discrimination didn't end with slavery, racism didn't end with slavery. I'm going back and forth with a bunch of idiots :facepalm

[ForeverHeat]

These white guys complaining about slavery need to put the crack pipe down. They are the type of guys to vote for this clown.

[sd3035]

You think I care if i'm making a good case to a white boy like you? :roll:



**** you and the ***** you came out of! Clown!



Do you expect the effects of systemic discrimination and oppression to dissipate in a matter of a few generations? It was a simple question that you dodged. I mean we're talking about a group of people who weren't allowed their civil rights until the 1960s. I guess it had no effect though huh? It was a blessing to those blackies that they were taken from Africa huh? ****in cac!


I don't see any of them lining up to go back :confusedshrug:

[ralph_i_el]

Discrimination didn't end with slavery, racism didn't end with slavery. I'm going back and forth with a bunch of idiots :facepalm

Obviously racism didn't end with slavery, because you're being racist as hell.
Discrimination and racism aren't solely perpetrated by white people

Chinese and Irish faced plenty of racism and discrimination, they seem to be doing pretty well despite.

I'm not saying that slavery/jim crow ect ect haven't had an impact on the black community (that would be asinine). I'm just saying that nobody alive owned slaves and nobody alive was a slave. It's useless to hold on to so much anger over something you didn't even witness. All that does is hold you back as a people.


sorry your ancestors were taken from their homes. Planes were invented a while back, it's real easy to go visit Africa, where nobody ever fights over what tribe their ancestors were in :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[aburre21]

I don't see any of them lining up to go back :confusedshrug:


why would they go back to a country that has a language they don't speak, customs/traditions they don't know or understand, etc.


they were also robbed of their heritage/history. most black in America don't even know what country their ancestors came from.

[ralph_i_el]

why would they go back to a country that has a language they don't speak, customs/traditions they don't know or understand, etc.


they were also robbed of their heritage/history. most black in America don't even know what country their ancestors came from.

Damn near everyone in America has been robbed of their heritage/history. That's because we're a nearly homogenized consumer culture!

[DMV2]

Too many NBA player are giving the league a bad rap in the last 8 months. From that gangbanging murderer Aaron Hernandez of the Celtics to the serial rapist Darren Sharper of the Pelicans to the wife-beater Ray Rice of the Wizards.

Adam Silver really needs to fix this ghetto thug ass league.

[ralph_i_el]

Too many NBA player are giving the league a bad rap in the last 8 months. From that gangbanging murderer Aaron Hernandez of the Celtics to the serial rapist Darren Sharper of the Pelicans to the wife-beater Ray Rice of the Wizards.

Adam Silver really needs to fix this ghetto thug ass league.
:applause:

It's almost like being the best at a sport that requires you to be super violent can lead to you being a super violent person :eek:

[russwest0]

Nah, I mean, aren't there a shitload of stats showing that black people (while a minority) are the main source of crime in america?

You can say that's because they are targeted, profiled, living in poverty, etc, whatever, I won't even disagree. Just saying some republican dude makes a point about race and crime and everyone gets their panties in a bunch about shit.

I stopped giving a dick about american politics as soon as I realized both parties running this country are complete shit. Worst part is the broad generalizations from both sides. Some jackass republican says something stupid "Look at what the conservatives believe." Some dumbass liberal says something stupid "Look at how stupid liberals are."

Wish people would wake up and stop investing their lives in either party of a corrupt fascist system.

[navy]

Nah, I mean, aren't there a shitload of stats showing that black people (while a minority) are the main source of crime in america?



He claimed it wasnt about race.

[JellyBean]

:facepalm

[The Iron Sheik]

now let's see if this thread gets deleted or if bans are handed out

doubt it

[ralph_i_el]

While we're talking about controversial stuff, How about euthanasia?

1/2 of medicaid funds are going to people who have exhausted all of their savings living in nursing homes

I bet the knicks are in favor of euthanasing Amare (and felton....and JR.....and Bargs......)

[aburre21]

Obviously racism didn't end with slavery, because you're being racist as hell.
Discrimination and racism aren't solely perpetrated by white people

Chinese and Irish faced plenty of racism and discrimination, they seem to be doing pretty well despite.

I'm not saying that slavery/jim crow ect ect haven't had an impact on the black community (that would be asinine). I'm just saying that nobody alive owned slaves and nobody alive was a slave. It's useless to hold on to so much anger over something you didn't even witness. All that does is hold you back as a people.

So the Chinese and Irish faced as much racism/discrimination as blacks? Hell no!
poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

: the belief that some races of people are better than others
Full Definition of RACISM

1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination



how am I being racist? Never said I was superior to any race...I said I "disliked most white people" and I have just cause for that...400+ years of racism, discrimination, and oppression is just cause....not to mention the occasional blips like this or the public support of one by the name of George Zimmerman

[smoovegittar]

Prime example why I generally don't like white people...And these are the people who run our country and have significant power and influence too. Hope he gets shot by one of those criminals :lol

I don't like white people either. And I'm 90% white.

[ralph_i_el]

So the Chinese and Irish faced as much racism/discrimination as blacks? Hell no!
poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

: the belief that some races of people are better than others
Full Definition of RACISM

1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination



how am I being racist? Never said I was superior to any race...I said I "disliked most white people" and I have just cause for that...400+ years of racism, discrimination, and oppression is just cause....not to mention the occasional blips like this or the public support of one by the name of George Zimmerman

I hate to see people as sad and angry as you.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm sorry that Europeans are such a warlike and imperial people. I'm sure if the Battle of Poitiers had gone the opposite way, our African overlords would treat us crackers with nothing but respect.

[Foster5k]

some republican dude makes a point about race and crime and everyone gets their panties in a bunch about shit.

Because it's wrong. When the Jews were targeted by the national socialist, no one really cared or stood up and said this is wrong. Soon, the Jews were exiled from society and given extreme unfair treatment. Later, they were beaten. After that, they were round up and deported to concentration camps. Finally, they were massacred in droves. Bodies dumped in mass graves, etc. Ultimately, even Germans that had not killed one single Jew, felt the consequences of those actions.

These bigots that go unchecked, like Hitler, can start off small and escalate to horrific proportions.

We all know the end game for racism, etc. The Nazis showed the world that loud and clear. No sane person ever wants that to ever happen again.

[aburre21]

White people logic: Crime and public assistance statistics for a small time frame like 10-20 years matter and we can generalize black people because of that but 400+ years of history mean nothing :lol

[ralph_i_el]

White people logic: Crime and public assistance statistics for a small time frame like 10-20 years matter and we can generalize black people because of that but 400+ years of history mean nothing :lol

you keep talking about history but it sounds like you don't know very much of it.

[NumberSix]

Obviously racism didn't end with slavery, because you're being racist as hell.
Discrimination and racism aren't solely perpetrated by white people

Chinese and Irish faced plenty of racism and discrimination, they seem to be doing pretty well despite.

I'm not saying that slavery/jim crow ect ect haven't had an impact on the black community (that would be asinine). I'm just saying that nobody alive owned slaves and nobody alive was a slave. It's useless to hold on to so much anger over something you didn't even witness. All that does is hold you back as a people.


sorry your ancestors were taken from their homes. Planes were invented a while back, it's real easy to go visit Africa, where nobody ever fights over what tribe their ancestors were in :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
That's actually very false. There are more slaves in the world today than there ever has been at any point of the African slave trade. The largest group of them by far being Eastern European women.

[ralph_i_el]

That's actually very false. There are more slaves in the world today than there ever has been at any point of the African slave trade. The largest group of them by far being Eastern European women.

Yeah slave trade is pretty bad in East Asia too.

I was specifically referencing black slavery in the Americas. Sorry for not being more specific.

[aburre21]

Damn near everyone in America has been robbed of their heritage/history. That's because we're a nearly homogenized consumer culture!

You just said you were Irish/Scottish...clearly you have a little knowledge about your roots, culture, etc....



blacks don't. African Americans can't tell you what country their ancestors came from..when they arrived on American soil, etc.

[aburre21]

I hate to see people as sad and angry as you.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm sorry that Europeans are such a warlike and imperial people. I'm sure if the Battle of Poitiers had gone the opposite way, our African overlords would treat us crackers with nothing but respect.

What makes me angry? How did you reach that conclusion?

[ralph_i_el]

You just said you were Irish/Scottish...clearly you have a little knowledge about your roots, culture, etc....



blacks don't. African Americans can't tell you what country their ancestors came from..when they arrived on American soil, etc.

My family immigrated within the last hundred years and I still only know my ancestry up to great-grandparents. All the men were coal miners or construction workers. They love to throw Irish folks in those coal mines don't they?

a few generations later and I could afford to go get a degree in Finance.

How can you better yourselves as a people without one generation boosting the next?


What makes me angry? How did you reach that conclusion?




You think I care if i'm making a good case to a white boy like you? :roll:



**** you and the ***** you came out of! Clown!


I made this thread because I don't like racists and I didn't like what that Minnesota racist said.
Then you came in here spewing a whole bunch of anti-white stuff, which is just as bad as anti-black stuff.
Treat people like people.
You're acting just as bad as ignorant assholes who wear confederate flag hats and spout off about blacks and mexicans.

defense rests

[NumberSix]

how am I being racist? Never said I was superior to any race...I said I "disliked most white people" and I have just cause for that...400+ years of racism, discrimination, and oppression is just cause....not to mention the occasional blips like this or the public support of one by the name of George Zimmerman
Why would you dislike Romanians or Greeks for something the English, Spanish, Potugese, West Africans, Jews, North Africans & Arabs did? The vast majority of European populations had nothing to do with it. Why the hell would you dislike some Swedish person who's family recently moved to America who's ancestors had nothing to do with it?

[ralph_i_el]

Why would you dislike Romanians or Greeks for something the English, Spanish, Potugese, West Africans, Jews, North Africans & Arabs did? The vast majority of European populations had nothing to do with it. Why the hell would you dislike some Swedish person who's family recently moved to America who's ancestors had nothing to do with it?

:applause:

[aburre21]

Why would you dislike Romanians or Greeks for something the English, Spanish, Potugese, West Africans, Jews, North Africans & Arabs did? The vast majority of European populations had nothing to do with it. Why the hell would you dislike some Swedish person who's family recently moved to America who's ancestors had nothing to do with it?


I don't normally come into contact with Romanians or Greeks and I said "generally". Generally means that there are exceptions.




And there are so many racist incidents in Europe when it comes to soccer players that I really don't see a difference :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

I don't normally come into contact with Romanians or Greeks and I said "generally". Generally means that there are exceptions.




And there are so many racist incidents in Europe when it comes to soccer players that I really don't see a difference :confusedshrug:
Then how do you feel about Africans for enslaving their own people and selling them to Arabs and Europeans? The original black-on-black crime.

If your ancestors were African slaves, how much do you hate the people who are still in West Africa?

[ralph_i_el]

I don't normally come into contact with Romanians or Greeks and I said "generally". Generally means that there are exceptions.




And there are so many racist incidents in Europe when it comes to soccer players that I really don't see a difference :confusedshrug:

Wow. Racist incidents by soccer players :applause: Plenty of reason to hate all white people.
Do those get you madder than hearing about all those Swedish women getting gang raped?

[Straight_Ballin]

You had players back in the day like David Robinson who entered the NBA having multi-faceted skills. I mean damn, this guy came from the Naval academy. Compare that to today's players who are one dimensional with no other life skills.

[aburre21]

My family immigrated within the last hundred years and I still only know my ancestry up to great-grandparents. All the men were coal miners or construction workers. They love to throw Irish folks in those coal mines don't they?

a few generations later and I could afford to go get a degree in Finance.

How can you better yourselves as a people without one generation boosting the next?







I made this thread because I don't like racists and I didn't like what that Minnesota racist said.
Then you came in here spewing a whole bunch of anti-white stuff, which is just as bad as anti-black stuff.
Treat people like people.
You're acting just as bad as ignorant assholes who wear confederate flag hats and spout off about blacks and mexicans.

defense rests

He's an idiot so I responded to him like one. That doesn't make me angry

[ralph_i_el]

He's an idiot so I responded to him like one. That doesn't make me angry
If you aren't angry, then how would you describe your feelings towards people of European descent.

It's online, you're pretty much anonymous. I really just want to hear your honest opinion :confusedshrug:

[NumberSix]

People hate Europeans for the same reason they hate the Heat. Europe is stacked.



#jelly

[aburre21]

Wow. Racist incidents by soccer players :applause: Plenty of reason to hate all white people.
Do those get you madder than hearing about all those Swedish women getting gang raped?


dislike does not equal hate and I didn't say all white people. you keep putting words in my mouth and interpreting my posts in a way that fits your myopic viewpoint.

and soccer incidents alone isn't a reason I feel the way I do. Have you not been reading my posts? There are other contributing factors.

[NumberSix]

dislike does not equal hate and I didn't say all white people. you keep putting words in my mouth and interpreting my posts in a way that fits your myopic viewpoint.

and soccer incidents alone isn't a reason I feel the way I do. Have you not been reading my posts? There are other contributing factors.
I actually don't mind your viewpoint. If you dislike whites, I honestly think that's perfectly fine. Just don't bitch about white people not liking you.

[aburre21]

If you aren't angry, then how would you describe your feelings towards people of European descent.

It's online, you're pretty much anonymous. I really just want to hear your honest opinion :confusedshrug:


aversion, antipathy, and indifference






I don't think I'm superior to anyone and I don't want them wiped off the planet. I just don't give a damn about them :confusedshrug: .

[aburre21]

I actually don't mind your viewpoint. If you dislike whites, I honestly think that's perfectly fine. Just don't bitch about white people not liking you.


when have white people ever liked black people :lol . **** would I bitch about that for? :lol

[NumberSix]

aversion, antipathy, and indifference






I don't think I'm superior to anyone and I don't want them wiped off the planet. I just don't give a damn about them :confusedshrug: .
Right, you're justified to not give a damn about them. And they're justified in not giving a damn about you, right!

Fair is fair.

[NumberSix]

when have white people ever liked black people :lol . **** would I bitch about that for? :lol
I didn't say black people. I said you.

[ralph_i_el]

dislike does not equal hate and I didn't say all white people. you keep putting words in my mouth and interpreting my posts in a way that fits your myopic viewpoint.

and soccer incidents alone isn't a reason I feel the way I do. Have you not been reading my posts? There are other contributing factors.

:facepalm ok so you "dislike most white people" as opposed to "hate all white people". I'm sorry I confused your extremely progressive and tolerant worldview as being racist.


BTW only time I've said "hate" in this thread is when I said "I hate to see people as sad and angry as you"

[aburre21]

I didn't say black people. I said you.

You're being obtuse....and that's one thing you won't ever hear me bitching about :lol

[ralph_i_el]

when have white people ever liked black people :lol . **** would I bitch about that for? :lol

It's this kind of attitude that keeps racism alive.
I have plenty of friends who are black. My little brother lives with 2 black roommates :facepalm
Plenty of blacks and whites get along famously. I bet you met at least one white person in your life that you would have been great friends with if you didn't meet them under the influence of your "dislike" for "whitey"

[Akrazotile]

Im 146% certain you guys are getting trolled by this aburre putz

[Rasheed1]

you dudes are arguing in a circle.. Its retarded..

the point is the GOP politician made a racist tweet not backed by any facts and tried to justify it with more nonsense..

[ralph_i_el]

Im 146% certain you guys are getting trolled by this aburre putz

you call it responding to a troll, I call it debate practice :roll:

you punch a bag because it isn't important....it won't really hit back.

[Denitron]

He was probably talking about Kobe

You'd have to wonder how many more crimes he would have committed if he wasn't so busy with basketball :confusedshrug:

[ralph_i_el]

He was probably talking about Kobe

You'd have to wonder how many more crimes he would have committed if he wasn't so busy with basketball :confusedshrug:

15,678 misdemeanors
389 felonies
on park courts across the nation

[Akrazotile]

you dudes are arguing in a circle.. Its retarded..

the point is the GOP politician made a racist tweet not backed by any facts and tried to justify it with more nonsense..



Why do you have to single out his political party? Trying to associate the GOP with racism bruh?

Of course you are. Because thats a perception that is common, and that racism perturbs you.

Of course, if a senator is perturbed by violent crime, well.... Grab the torches and lets beat down his door, right? White people aint allowed to make jokes or generalizations like rasheed is. Rasheed got that victim card. With his picture on it and everything. Go rasheed go.

[Akrazotile]

you call it responding to a troll, I call it debate practice :roll:

you punch a bag because it isn't important....it won't really hit back.


Youre right dude. I got caught up responding to a troll myself.

[Rasheed1]

Why do you have to single out his political party? Trying to associate the GOP with racism bruh?

Of course you are. Because thats a perception that is real, and that perturbs you.

Of course, if a senator is perturbed by violent crime, well.... Grab the torches and lets beat down his door, right? White people aint allowed to make jokes or generalizations like rasheed is. Rasheed got that victim card. With his picture on it and everything. Go rasheed go.

:roll: uh oh!! starface whining alert!!!

"Why do you have to single out his political party?"http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-mXu0nV4KjLA/T2iLU0lL_TI/AAAAAAAAAcY/U-CtMYhk11s/s320/girls.jpg

the guy is a republican and he made the stupid comment... he needs to own it.. I didn't "generalize"... the guy who said it was a GOP politician HERB

if that hurts your punk ass feelings :applause: good

Im glad....

[ralph_i_el]

I retract everything I said in this thread.


White people are bad people

I seent it!

[FLDFSU]

May I make a suggestion to all the moronic anti-black posers posting? Please give the MLB, NHL, or the PGA a try. You will cope better than watching a league with over 70 percent black participants, and then posting on a message board about said league.

If I thought so little about Caucasians I would not spend countless hours on a NASCAR message board.

[Rasheed1]

I retract everything I said in this thread.


White people are bad people

I seent it!


not necessary.. I know a a lot of good white people who don't deserve to be lumped in with the bigots.. But hatred breeds more hatred..

When you get an idiot like this REPUBLICAN (starface whiney alert) who throws out this tweet based on nothing but his stereotyping, it sets off a chain reaction of anger and accusations..

this country has a sick history that hasn't been put to bed yet, and until it is, we'll be seeing this type of stuff occur over and over

[tpols]

you dudes are arguing in a circle.. Its retarded..

the point is the GOP politician made a racist tweet not backed by any facts and tried to justify it with more nonsense..

The main reason its retarded is because theres only a couple hundred players in the league.. couldnt even affect the total criminal population

[nightprowler10]

you dudes are arguing in a circle.. Its retarded..

the point is the GOP politician made a racist tweet not backed by any facts and tried to justify it with more nonsense..
This.

And the whole perception of NBA players generally being thugs is stupid when there are many more troubled individuals in the NFL.

[sd3035]

So the Chinese and Irish faced as much racism/discrimination as blacks? Hell no!
poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race

: the belief that some races of people are better than others
Full Definition of RACISM

1
: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2
: racial prejudice or discrimination



how am I being racist? Never said I was superior to any race...I said I "disliked most white people" and I have just cause for that...400+ years of racism, discrimination, and oppression is just cause....not to mention the occasional blips like this or the public support of one by the name of George Zimmerman


People said that blacks in the United States commit crimes at a higher rate, those are facts, not racism. No need to cry and throw an e-tantrum because people with more knowledge than you are giving you a free education

[Rasheed1]

People said that blacks in the United States commit crimes at a higher rate, those are facts, not racism. No need to cry and throw an e-tantrum because people with more knowledge than you are giving you a free education


yeah but blacks are arrested at 4xs the rate of whites for the same crimes..

blacks and whites use marijuana at roughly the same rates but blacks go to jail many more times for it...

there are many more studies on conviction rates and even execution rates between races..

you have to look at ALL the stats..

[aburre21]

People said that blacks in the United States commit crimes at a higher rate, those are facts, not racism. No need to cry and throw an e-tantrum because people with more knowledge than you are giving you a free education

White people logic: Crime and public assistance statistics for a small time frame like 10-20 years matter and we can generalize black people because of that but 400+ years of continued history means nothing at :lol


hilarious

[Knoe Itawl]

yeah but blacks are arrested at 4xs the rate of whites for the same crimes..

blacks and whites use marijuana at roughly the same rates but blacks go to jail many more times for it...

there are many more studies on conviction rates and even execution rates between races..

you have to look at ALL the stats..

I just have a question that white bigots never seem to be able to answer.

the decimation of the Native Americans, slavery, lynchings, catholic priests molesting boys as an INSTITUTION, World Wars killing millions, Ku Klux Klan, school shootings, serial killers, spree killers, meth towns, white collar crime stealing TRILLIONS, the mafia, invasions, atom bombs, Aryan Brotherhood, and on and on and on does not equal white people are violent criminals. I should NOT generalize the nature of white people by these actions.

However, inner city crime rates = sweeping generalizations about black people is A-OK! The average black person either is, or condones criminal activity. Gotta love it

[ralph_i_el]

this country has a sick history that hasn't been put to bed yet, and until it is, we'll be seeing this type of stuff occur over and over

I honestly would love to see the day.

How do you think that could come about?
I race doesn't factor into it for me in terms of the respect and consideration I give to people. I wish there were more people with a business/conservative mindset on how to run a country, minus the racism and religion attached to the Republican party.


I just have a question that white bigots never seem to be able to answer.

the decimation of the Native Americans, slavery, lynchings, catholic priests molesting boys as an INSTITUTION, World Wars killing millions, Ku Klux Klan, school shootings, serial killers, spree killers, meth towns, white collar crime stealing TRILLIONS, the mafia, invasions, atom bombs, Aryan Brotherhood, and on and on and on does not equal white people are violent criminals. I should NOT generalize the nature of white people by these actions.

However, inner city crime rates = sweeping generalizations about black people is A-OK! The average black person either is, or condones criminal activity. Gotta love it

I guess white people are damn good at killing too.
With all this bad stuff attached to white people, I bet it's a lot safer in Africa. Might just move there myself. You convinced me!

[aburre21]

I just have a question that white bigots never seem to be able to answer.

the decimation of the Native Americans, slavery, lynchings, catholic priests molesting boys as an INSTITUTION, World Wars killing millions, Ku Klux Klan, school shootings, serial killers, spree killers, meth towns, white collar crime stealing TRILLIONS, the mafia, invasions, atom bombs, Aryan Brotherhood, and on and on and on does not equal white people are violent criminals. I should NOT generalize the nature of white people by these actions.

However, inner city crime rates = sweeping generalizations about black people is A-OK! The average black person either is, or condones criminal activity. Gotta love it



well said :applause:

[NumberSix]

I just have a question that white bigots never seem to be able to answer.

the decimation of the Native Americans, slavery, lynchings, catholic priests molesting boys as an INSTITUTION, World Wars killing millions, Ku Klux Klan, school shootings, serial killers, spree killers, meth towns, white collar crime stealing TRILLIONS, the mafia, invasions, atom bombs, Aryan Brotherhood, and on and on and on does not equal white people are violent criminals. I should NOT generalize the nature of white people by these actions.

However, inner city crime rates = sweeping generalizations about black people is A-OK! The average person either is, or condones criminal activity.
In America, black males commit slightly over 50% of the murders. It's a fact. It's not anybody's opinion. How can we honestly act like Asian women commit just as many violent crimes as black males when it's simply not factual?

When 6% of the population commits the majority of violent crimes! what the fcuk are we supposed to say? It's just a fact that black males commit more violent crimes. I wish it wasn't true, but my wishes aren't reality.

It would be intellectual dishonest to act like black males don't commit more crimes than other groups.

[Knoe Itawl]

In America, black males commit slightly over 50% of the murders. It's a fact. It's not anybody's opinion. How can we honestly act like Asian women commit just as many violent crimes as black males when it's simply not factual?

When 6% of the population commits the majority of violent crimes! what the fcuk are we supposed to say? It's just a fact that black males commit more violent crimes. I wish it wasn't true, but my wishes aren't reality.

And when one group of people does all the things I mentioned above WTF are we supposed to think about them? I wish these things weren't reality but they are. :(

At least blacks can use the "effects of slavery" excuse (even if you don't agree with it). What's the excuse for whites behaving this way? They control most of the wealth and influence in the world! Oh well, I guess I have no choice but to paint them all with that broad stroke.

Again, wish it wasn't true, but my wishes aren't reality. :(

[aburre21]

And when one group of people does all the things I mentioned above WTF are we supposed to think about them? I wish these things weren't reality but they are. :(

At least blacks can use the "effects of slavery" excuse (even if you don't agree with it). What's the excuse for whites behaving this way? They control most of the wealth and influence in the world! Oh well, I guess I have no choice but to paint them all with that broad stroke.

Again, wish it wasn't true, but my wishes aren't reality. :(


:lol :applause:

[ralph_i_el]

And when one group of people does all the things I mentioned above WTF are we supposed to think about them? I wish these things weren't reality but they are. :(

At least blacks can use the "effects of slavery" excuse (even if you don't agree with it). What's the excuse for whites behaving this way? They control most of the wealth and influence in the world! Oh well, I guess I have no choice but to paint them all with that broad stroke.

Again, wish it wasn't true, but my wishes aren't reality. :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the_International_Crimi nal_Court
^ICC Is an international court that prosecutes people who commit the worst war crimes/genocides/crimes against humanity
Care to guess the continent they're all from?
Mafia never did THAT

I'm not a racist. People kill people :confusedshrug:

google japanese war crimes If you want to barf and be depressed for a week.
Whites have Hitler and Stalin, plus we invented the nuke.
Native Americans practiced tons of tortuous ritual sacrifice.

Draw your own conclusions I don't care.

[Rasheed1]

I honestly would love to see the day.

How do you think that could come about?
I race doesn't factor into it for me in terms of the respect and consideration I give to people. I wish there were more people with a business/conservative mindset on how to run a country, minus the racism and religion attached to the Republican party.



I guess white people are damn good at killing too.
With all this bad stuff attached to white people, I bet it's a lot safer in Africa. Might just move there myself. You convinced me!

White people have to stop taking these issues as assaults on themselves PERSONALLY..

The average white guy doesn't deserve any blame for the system.. Ultimately it hurts him as much as it hurts anyone else... The racism is just A TOOL to make average working class folks fight each other over some perceived difference.. Average white only needs to accept blame for pretending it isn't so... STOP DEFENDING BIGOTS LIKE THIS GUY WHO MADE THE TWEET.. no more excuses..

Black folks need to snap outta that fantasy world that a lot of them live in.. Wake up and realize what is needed for you to educate your kids and improve your communities.. too much attention to bullsh*t and not enough attention to the fundamentals... Too much hatred for yourselves and not enough sense to band together to build something together for yourselves

All these regular people (white, black, Asian, Hispanic, indian..etc..) want to thrive in America, but we never seem to work together... Too busy blaming each other for things that none of us are responsible for..

its a class war more so than a race war, but we stay running on the treadmill over social issues instead of banding together on financial/political issues..

we'll get it right one day, I just hope it isn't too late when it happens

[NumberSix]

And when one group of people does all the things I mentioned above WTF are we supposed to think about them? I wish these things weren't reality but they are. :(

At least blacks can use the "effects of slavery" excuse (even if you don't agree with it). What's the excuse for whites behaving this way? They control most of the wealth and influence in the world! Oh well, I guess I have no choice but to paint them all with that broad stroke.

Again, wish it wasn't true, but my wishes aren't reality. :(
You know what we do? When a new serial killer pops up, we say "it's probably a white male" because that's reality. We don't pretend all groups are exactly equal for the sake of being PC.


Why can't whites use the excuse of slavery? Were Greeks not enslaved by the ottomans? The Ottoman Empire ended less than 100 years ago. Why aren't greek males committing murders at the same rate as black males. Truthful answer? We simply don't know.

[Rasheed1]

You know what we do? When a new serial killer pops up, we say "it's probably a white male" because that's reality. We don't pretend all groups are exactly equal for the sake of being PC.


Why can't whites use the excuse of slavery? Were Greeks not enslaved by the ottomans? The Ottoman Empire ended less than 100 years ago. Why aren't greek males committing murders at the same rate as black males. Truthful answer? We simply don't know.


:facepalm c'mon man!!!

Greek males were enslaved in America?? You think the Gop Politician was referring to greek males in his tweet ?? do they face the same discrimination issues as black males???

we have to stop with these poor arguments and admit what the issues are

[KyrieTheFuture]

You know what we do? When a new serial killer pops up, we say "it's probably a white male" because that's reality. We don't pretend all groups are exactly equal for the sake of being PC.


Why can't whites use the excuse of slavery? Were Greeks not enslaved by the ottomans? The Ottoman Empire ended less than 100 years ago. Why aren't greek males committing murders at the same rate as black males. Truthful answer? We simply don't know.
Most of the murders in Greece are probably committed by White people

[Knoe Itawl]

You know what we do? When a new serial killer pops up, we say "it's probably a white male" because that's reality. We don't pretend all groups are exactly equal for the sake of being PC.


Why can't whites use the excuse of slavery? Were Greeks not enslaved by the ottomans? The Ottoman Empire ended less than 100 years ago. Why aren't greek males committing murders at the same rate as black males. Truthful answer? We simply don't know.

So let me see if I follow. Despite everything I outlined, your personal belief is that you can generalize black people as more criminally minded than white people. Is this your point?

[ralph_i_el]

You know what we do? When a new serial killer pops up, we say "it's probably a white male" because that's reality. We don't pretend all groups are exactly equal for the sake of being PC.


Why can't whites use the excuse of slavery? Were Greeks not enslaved by the ottomans? The Ottoman Empire ended less than 100 years ago. Why aren't greek males committing murders at the same rate as black males. Truthful answer? We simply don't know.
maybe greek males in Turkey ARE committing tons of murders:confusedshrug:
are you current on your middle eastern crime stats?
I think you were pretty off base here

[aburre21]

You know what we do? When a new serial killer pops up, we say "it's probably a white male" because that's reality. We don't pretend all groups are exactly equal for the sake of being PC.


Why can't whites use the excuse of slavery? Were Greeks not enslaved by the ottomans? The Ottoman Empire ended less than 100 years ago. Why aren't greek males committing murders at the same rate as black males. Truthful answer? We simply don't know.

In the mid-14th century, Murad I built an army of slaves, referred to as the Kapıkulu. The new force was based on the Sultan's right to a fifth of the war booty, which he interpreted to include captives taken in battle. The captive slaves converted to Islam and trained in the sultan's personal service. The devşirme system could be considered a form of slavery because the Sultans had absolute power over them. However, as the 'slave' or 'kul' of the Sultan had high status within Ottoman society, they could become the highest officers of state and the military elite, and all taken children (but not their parents) were well remunerated.
Slaves were traded in special market-places called "Esir" or "Yesir". It is said that Sultan Mehmed II "the Conqueror" established the first slave market in Constantinople in the 1460s.[7]
Ottoman slavery in Eastern Europe[edit]



Ottoman painting of Balkan children taken as soldier-slaves.
In the devşirme, which connotes "blood tax" or "child collection", young Christian boys from the Balkans and Anatolia were taken from their homes and families, converted to Islam, and enlisted into the most famous branch of the Kapıkulu, the Janissaries, a special soldier class of the Ottoman army that became a decisive faction in the Ottoman invasions of Europe.[8] Most of the military commanders of the Ottoman forces, imperial administrators, and de facto rulers of the Empire, such as Pargalı Ibrahim Pasha and Sokollu Mehmed Pasha, were recruited in this way.[9][10] By 1609, the Sultan's Kapıkulu forces increased to about 100,000.[11]
Domestic slavery was not as common as military slavery.[12] On the basis of a list of estates belonging to members of the ruling class kept in Edirne between 1545 and 1659, the following data was collected: out of 93 estates, 41 had slaves.[13]
The total number of slaves in the estates was 140, 54 female and 86 male. 134 of them bore Muslim names, 5 were not defined, and 1 was a Christian woman. Some of these slaves appear to have been employed on farms.[14] In conclusion, the ruling class, because of extensive use of warrior slaves and because of its own high purchasing capacity, was undoubtedly the single major group keeping the slave market alive in Ottoman empire.[15]
Rural slavery was largely a Caucasian phenomenon, carried to Anatolia and Rumelia after the Circassian migration in 1864.[16] Conflicts frequently emerged within the immigrant community and the Ottoman Establishment intervened on the side of the slaves at selective times.[17]
The Crimean Khanate maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East until the early eighteenth century. In a process called "harvesting of the steppe", Crimean Tatars enslaved Slavic peasants. The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and Russia suffered a series of Tatar invasions, the goal of which was to loot, pillage, and capture slaves into "jasyr".[18] The borderland area to the south-east was in a state of semi-permanent warfare until the 18th century. It is estimated that up to 75% of the Crimean population consisted of slaves or freed slaves.[19]
Barbary slave raids[edit]

See also: Barbary corsairs


1815 illustration of a British Captain horrified by seeing Christians worked as slaves in Algiers.
Hundreds of thousands of Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and the Ottoman Empire between the 16th and 19th centuries.[20][21] These slave raids were conducted largely by Arabs and Berbers rather than Ottoman Turks. However, during the height of the Barbary slave trade in the 16th and 17th centuries, the Barbary states were subject to Ottoman jurisdiction and ruled by Ottoman pashas. Furthermore, many slaves captured by the Barbary corsairs were sold eastward into Ottoman territories before, during, and after Barbary's period of Ottoman rule.
African slaves[edit]

As there were restrictions on the enslavement of Muslims or "People of the Book" (Jews and Christians), pagan Africa was a popular source of slaves. Black slaves were coming from East and Central Africa, mainly from areas such as Abyssinia, Sudan, Northern Nigeria and Chad. Black slaves were employed in households and in the army as slave-soldiers. Some could ascend to high rank officials but in general were inferior to European and Caucasian slaves.[22][23] Today, tens of thousands of Afro Turks, the descendants of the African slaves in the Ottoman Empire, continue to live in modern Turkey.


I got this from wikipedia in a second. This dude is blatantly rewriting history. It wasn't the same. Every post this dude makes is a fallacy of equivocation

[NumberSix]

So let me see if I follow. Despite everything I outlined, your personal belief is that you can generalize black people as more criminally minded than white people. Is this your point?
My view is that certain groups commit certain crimes more frequently than other groups.

Men commit violent crimes more than women
Blacks commit more violent crimes than whites
Serial killers are mostly white males
Whites commit more violent crimes than Asians


These are just facts. I'm not explaining WHY these are true. I don't know why. It's just a fact that in America they are true.

[Knoe Itawl]

Why can't I use it as an excuse? Or better, reason?

http://colorlines.com/archives/2013/01/10_things_django_wont_tell_you_about_slavery.html

1) Slavery laid the foundation for the modern international economic system.
The massive infrastructure required to move 8 to 10 million Africans halfway around the world built entire cities in England and France, such as Liverpool, Manchester and Bordeaux. It was key to London’s emergence as a global capital of commerce, and spurred New York’s rise as a center of finance. The industry to construct, fund, staff, and administer the thousands of ships which made close to 50,000 individual voyages was alone a herculean task. The international financial and distribution networks required to coordinate, maintain and profit from slavery set the framework for the modern global economy.

2) Africans’ economic skills were a leading reason for their enslavement.
Africans possessed unique expertise which Europeans required to make their colonial ventures successful. Africans knew how to grow and cultivate crops in tropical and semi-tropical climates. African rice growers, for instance, were captured in order to bring their agricultural knowledge to America’s sea islands and those of the Caribbean. Many West African civilizations possessed goldsmiths and expert metal workers on a grand scale. These slaves were snatched to work in Spanish and Portuguese gold and silver mines throughout Central and South America. Contrary to the myth of unskilled labor, large numbers of Africans were anything but.

3) African know-how transformed slave economies into some of the wealthiest on the planet.
The fruits of the slave trade funded the growth of global empires. The greatest source of wealth for imperial France was the “white gold” of sugar produced by Africans in Haiti. More riches flowed to Britain from the slave economy of Jamaica than all of the original American 13 colonies combined. Those resources underwrote the Industrial Revolution and vast improvements in Western Europe’s economic infrastructure.

4) Until it was destroyed by the Civil War, slavery made the American South the richest and most powerful region in America.
Slavery was a national enterprise, but the economic and political center of gravity during the U.S.’s first incarnation as a slave republic was the South. This was true even during the colonial era. Virginia was its richest colony and George Washington was one of its wealthiest people because of his slaves. The majority of the new country’s presidents and Supreme Court justices were Southerners.

However, the invention of the cotton gin took the South’s national economic dominance and transformed it into a global phenomenon. British demand for American cotton, as I have written before, made the southern stretch of the Mississippi River the Silicon Valley of its era. The single largest concentration of America’s millionaires was gathered in plantations along the Mississippi’s banks. The first and only president of the Confederacy—Jefferson Davis—was a Mississippi, millionaire slave holder.

5) Defense of slavery, more than taxes, was pivotal to America’s declaration of independence.
The South had long resisted Northern calls to leave the British Empire. That’s because the South sold most of its slave-produced products to Britain and relied on the British Navy to protect the slave trade. But a court case in England changed all of that. In 1775, a British court ruled that slaves could not be held in the United Kingdom against their will. Fearing that the ruling would apply to the American colonies, the Southern planters swung behind the Northern push for greater autonomy. In 1776, one year later, America left its former colonial master. The issue of slavery was so powerful that it changed the course of history.

6) The brutalization and psychological torture of slaves was designed to ensure that plantations stayed in the black financially.
Slave revolts and acts of sabotage were relatively common on Southern plantations. As economic enterprises, the disruption in production was bad for business. Over time a system of oppression emerged to keep things humming along. This centered on singling out slaves for public torture who had either participated in acts of defiance or who tended towards noncompliance. In fact, the most recalcitrant slaves were sent to institutions, such as the “Sugar House” in Charleston, S.C., where cruelty was used to elicit cooperation. Slavery’s most inhumane aspects were just another tool to guarantee the bottom line.

7) The economic success of former slaves during Reconstruction led to the rise of the Ku Klux Klan.
In less than 10 years after the end of slavery, blacks created thriving communities and had gained political power—including governorships and Senate seats—across the South. Former slaves, such Atlanta’s Alonzo Herndon, had even become millionaires in the post-war period. But the move towards black economic empowerment had upset the old economic order. Former planters organized themselves into White Citizens Councils and created an armed wing—the Ku Klux Klan—to undermine black economic institutions and to force blacks into sharecropping on unfair terms. Isabel Wilkerson’s Pulitzer Prize-winning book, “The Warmth of Other Suns”, details the targeting of black individuals, as well as entire black communities, for acts of terror whose purpose was to enforce economic apartheid.

8) The desire to maintain economic oppression is why the South was one of the most anti-tax regions of the nation.
Before the Civil War, the South routinely blocked national infrastructure protects. These plans, focused on Northern and Western states, would have moved non-slave goods to market quickly and cheaply. The South worried that such investments would increase the power of the free-labor economy and hurt their own, which was based on slavery. Moreover, the South was vehemently opposed to taxes even to improve the lives of non-slaveholding white citizens. The first public school in the North, Boston Latin, opened its doors in the mid-1600s. The first public school in the South opened 200 years later. Maintenance of slavery was the South’s top priority to the detriment of everything else.

9) Many firms on Wall Street made fortunes from funding the slave trade.
Investment in slavery was one of the most profitable economic activities throughout most of New York’s 350 year history. Much of the financing for the slave economy flowed through New York banks. Marquee names such as JP Morgan Chase and New York Life all profited greatly from slavery. Lehman Brothers, one of Wall Street’s largest firms until 2008, got its start in the slave economy of Alabama. Slavery was so important to the city that New York was one the most pro-slavery urban municipalities in the North.

10) The wealth gap between whites and blacks, the result of slavery, has yet to be closed.
The total value of slaves, or “property” as they were then known, could exceed $12 million in today’s dollars on the largest plantations. With land, machinery, crops and buildings added in, the wealth of southern agricultural enterprises was truly astronomical. Yet when slavery ended, the people that generated the wealth received nothing.

The country has struggled with the implications of this inequity ever since. With policy changes in Washington since 1865, sometimes this economic gulf has narrowed and sometimes it’s widened, but the economic difference has never been erased. Today, the wealth gap between whites and blacks is the largest recorded since records began to be kept three decades ago.

[aburre21]

My view is that certain groups commit certain crimes more frequently than other groups.

Men commit violent crimes more than women
Blacks commit more violent crimes than whites
Serial killers are mostly white makes
Whites commit more violent crimes than Asians


These are just facts. I'm not explaining WHY these are true. I don't know why. It's just a fact that in America they are true.

In America over the past 20 years? Because you can't be talking about American history :roll: . Put a qualifier on that statement

[stanlove1111]

another racist whitey....****in cowards



400+ years of involuntary servitude, racism, discrimination, segregation, etc. and you expect the effects to disappear in a few generations?
!

OK you are admitting yourself that black culture in the US is very troubled and basically total bullshit. You are admitting that way to many blacks are trouble and basically pieces of shit.

But you are saying there is a reason for it..OK..fair enough..But it doesn't change the fact that way too many blacks in the US are pieces of shit.

But for some reason you seem to be one of those people who gets angry when someone points out the obvious.Why?

[Knoe Itawl]

OK you are admitting yourself that black culture in the US is very troubled and basically total bullshit. You are admitting that way to many blacks are trouble and basically pieces of shit.

But you are saying there is a reason for it..OK..fair enough..But it doesn't change the fact that way too many blacks in the US are pieces of shit.

But for some reason you seem to be one of those people who gets angry when someone points out the obvious.Why?

Are you admitting that white culture with it's history of violence, thievery, etc. is filled with pieces of shyt?

For some reason, you seem to be one of those bigots who selectively generalizes and demonizes. Why?

[stanlove1111]

I just have a question that white bigots never seem to be able to answer.

the decimation of the Native Americans, slavery, lynchings, catholic priests molesting boys as an INSTITUTION, World Wars killing millions, Ku Klux Klan, school shootings, serial killers, spree killers, meth towns, white collar crime stealing TRILLIONS, the mafia, invasions, atom bombs, Aryan Brotherhood, and on and on and on does not equal white people are violent criminals. I should NOT generalize the nature of white people by these actions.

However, inner city crime rates = sweeping generalizations about black people is A-OK! The average black person either is, or condones criminal activity. Gotta love it

What an ignorant post.

He brings up things from the past to try and defend the crime rate today in America. Really School shootings? We know what the murder rates are for black people, why would you bring up something like that.

[tpols]

Are you admitting that white culture with it's history of violence, thievery, etc. is filled with pieces of shyt?

For some reason, you seem to be one of those bigots who selectively generalizes and demonizes. Why?

It's not white culture lol.. its just the top elites. The truly wealthy have always oppressed those below them across all races

[NumberSix]

Are you admitting that white culture with it's history of violence, thievery, etc. is filled with pieces of shyt?

For some reason, you seem to be one of those bigots who selectively generalizes and demonizes. Why?
Do you see anybody making excuses when white people do something terrible?

That's the difference. When a white person does something bad, we all agree he's a scumbag and move on. We don't make excuses why he's not responsible for his own actions and it's really America who is to blame like we're doing for black people.

The Jews that are still in Europe aren't committing violent crimes at a disproportional rate. Their problems in Europe are a lot more recent than American slavery.

[stanlove1111]

Are you admitting that white culture with it's history of violence, thievery, etc. is filled with pieces of shyt?

For some reason, you seem to be one of those bigots who selectively generalizes and demonizes. Why?

We are talking about today. If you want to see what was going on in Africa with blacks at the same time Whites were doing their things to Indians go look. IF you want to compare each culture at the same time frame lets do it.

I am more concerned about the world I have to live in now. Black culture is totally bullshit that nobody likes and produces way to make problems and thugs. Anyone who denies this is just a moron. You yourself didn't even deny it. So whats the issue. Move on.

[Rasheed1]

Do you see anybody making excuses when white people do something terrible?

That's the difference. When a white person does something bad, we all agree he's a scumbag and move on. We don't make excuses why he's not responsible for his own actions and it's really America who is to blame like we're doing for black people.

The Jews that are still in Europe aren't committing violent crimes at a disproportional rate. Their problems in Europe are a lot more recent than American slavery.

When a white person does something bad.. it is a "white PERSON" it isn't seen as the white race.. it isn't a slight on all whites when a white person commits a crime.. You don't have tweets going out about WHITES IN A WHOLE FIELD OF WORK

do you understand the difference?


The jews have their OWN COUNTRY... which is supported by the might of the US government :oldlol:

[Knoe Itawl]

What an ignorant post.

He brings up things from the past to try and defend the crime rate today in America. Really School shootings? We know what the murder rates are for black people, why would you bring up something like that.

What an ignorant bigot.

Catholic priests molestations are in the past? Serial killers are in the past? The mafia? Wall Street stealing trillions? Spree killers? Family annhilators? Not to mention the "regular" crimes and murders committed by whites?

Again, if white people are so pure and I shouldn't generalize them, why do these things even exist in the first place?

Much of the reason for the high crime/violence rate among blacks can actually be traced back to slavery (see my post earlier in the thread about the continued ramifications of slavery, of course you probably won't or if you do you'll ignore it like a typical bigot), and institutionalized racism. That's just a fact. It doesn't excuse it, make it right or anything else however it is an explanation.

Bigots like you just want a reason to feel superior, so you pull out your "stats" as if they're the end all/be all. As if whites don't have plenty of their own skeletons. See, because I'm not a bigot I don't generalize all white people because of the heinous acts of so many. I just point out the hypocrisy of pieces of shyt like you yelling about black crime rates.

In short, f*ck you bigot.

[aburre21]

Do you see anybody making excuses when white people do something terrible?

That's the difference. When a white person does something bad, we all agree he's a scumbag and move one. We don't make excuses why he's not responsible for his own actions and it's really America who is to blame like we're doing for black people.

The Jews that are still in Europe aren't committing violent crimes at a disproportional rate. Their problems in Europe are a lot more recent than American slavery.

another fallacy of equivocation....racism didn't end with slavery. discrimination and oppression continued all the way up to the 60s, after the Holocaust...or are you not aware of the Civil Rights movement, the fight against Jim Crow and the assasination of MLK? Were those events imagined?


http://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/08/06/lynch-db2a1722a61a2ea2e98a0cc7e20300a12023b7af-s6-c30.jpg



so after the end of slavery, this never happened? :lol



You also fail to mention that the Jews were given a country and were given monetary aid. Israel gets billions of dollars to this day :lol . I didn't know of any reparations given to African Americans.

[NumberSix]

When a white person does something bad.. it is a "white PERSON" it isn't seen as the white race..

do you understand the difference?
No. Mainly because I never said anybody else is to blame when 1 black person does something bad. I merely said black males commit more crimes than any other group. It's not my opinion. I have no control over it being a fact.


The jews have their OWN COUNTRY... which is supported by the might of the US government :oldlol:
Blacks don't have any countries of their own? Who even cares. Were talking about America. What do people in Israel or Angola have to do with anything?

[BigMacAttack]

Are you admitting that white culture with it's history of violence, thievery, etc. is filled with pieces of shyt?

For some reason, you seem to be one of those bigots who selectively generalizes and demonizes. Why?

Are you saying white culture is the only culture with a history of violence? You are a moron if so.

[aburre21]

I got to stop responding to these clowns man :roll: . I got a good laugh today. Good day everyone

[Knoe Itawl]

Do you see anybody making excuses when white people do something terrible?

That's the difference. When a white person does something bad, we all agree he's a scumbag and move on. We don't make excuses why he's not responsible for his own actions and it's really America who is to blame like we're doing for black people.

The Jews that are still in Europe aren't committing violent crimes at a disproportional rate. Their problems in Europe are a lot more recent than American slavery.

Who's making excuses? You won't catch me defending a black criminal, HOWEVER there are certain historical facts that contribute to crime rates in this country which are indisputable to any who are not blind.

I just can't stand the hypocrisy of people such as yourself who feel it's OK to generalize people based on the actions of some, but somehow don't feel that whites should be generalized based on their many many historically heinous behaviors. Their racism, opression, thievery, violence, etc.

Whites such as yourself poo poo that and put it off on individuals, while for blacks you call it indicative of the entire race. Because you are a hypocritical, ignorant bigot. Simple.

[NumberSix]

another fallacy of equivocation....racism didn't end with slavery. discrimination and oppression continued all the way up to the 60s, after the Holocaust...or are you not aware of the Civil Rights movement, the fight against Jim Crow and the assasination of MLK? Were those events imagined?


http://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/08/06/lynch-db2a1722a61a2ea2e98a0cc7e20300a12023b7af-s6-c30.jpg



so after the end of slavery, this never happened? :lol



You also fail to mention that the Jews were given a country and were given monetary aid. Israel gets billions of dollars to this day :lol . I didn't know of any reparations given to African Americans.
Yeah, you'd be completely justified in saying whites committing the lynchings in America and nobody would argue with you. It's simply an indisputable fact. Just like its a fact that today blacks commit more violent crimes. Nobody should argue either of these indisputable facts.

[Rasheed1]

No. Mainly because I never said anybody else is to blame when 1 black person does something bad. I merely said black males commit more crimes than any other group. It's not my opinion. I have no control over it being a fact.


but this is a thread about a politician who generalizes, and uses the NBA his his own ignorance to cast aspersions an many blacks who haven't commited any crimes...

you have people in this thread who insinuate that "BLACKS" are the problem..

Not any single black person


Blacks don't have any countries of their own? Who even cares. Were talking about America. What do people in Israel or Angola have to do with anything?

Black americans are a lot different than black Africans (who have fought their own battles against the oppression and colonization of imperial European countries)

[Knoe Itawl]

Are you saying white culture is the only culture with a history of violence? You are a moron if so.

Who said that? I condemned white BIGOTS who generalize all black people because of the actions of SOME blacks but don't generalize all whites because of the actions of SOME whites.

[Rasheed1]

Who said that? I condemned white BIGOTS who generalize all black people because of the actions of SOME blacks but don't generalize all whites because of the actions of SOME whites.

:cheers: That is basically the main point here...

[russwest0]

You also fail to mention that the Jews were given a country and were given monetary aid. Israel gets billions of dollars to this day :lol . I didn't know of any reparations given to African Americans.

Affirmative action + not having to live in the shit hole that is Africa.

Yeah, slavery was bullshit though. Funny thing is that Affirmative Action is only going to hold blacks back more by refusing to let them compete fairly.

[ralph_i_el]

This thread is an abortion and should be deleted.

[NumberSix]

Who's making excuses? You won't catch me defending a black criminal, HOWEVER there are certain historical facts that contribute to crime rates in this country which are indisputable to any who are not blind.

I just can't stand the hypocrisy of people such as yourself who feel it's OK to generalize people based on the actions of some, but somehow don't feel that whites should be generalized based on their many many historically heinous behaviors. Their racism, opression, thievery, violence, etc.
Who am I generalizing? It's not my opinion that blacks commit more violent crimes in America. It's just a statistical fact. I have never said blacks are inherently bad people. I'm not generalizing anybody. You act as if I'm in some way biased because I accept that a set of crime stats are factual.

What do you want me to say? Black DONT commit more violent crimes?


Whites such as yourself poo poo that and put it off on individuals, while for blacks you call it indicative of the entire race. Because you are a hypocritical, ignorant bigot. Simple.
Who says I'm white?:confusedshrug:

[Rasheed1]

Who am I generalizing? It's not my opinion that blacks commit more violent crimes in America. It's just a statistical fact. I have never said blacks are inherently bad people. I'm not generalizing anybody. You act as if I'm in some way biased because I accept that a set of crime stats are factual.

What do you want me to say? Black DONT commit more violent crimes?


Who says I'm white?:confusedshrug:

:roll: it is coming to an end..

you are using a "fact" without any context and trying to hide behind it :oldlol:

[aburre21]

Affirmative action + not having to live in the shit hole that is Africa.

Yeah, slavery was bullshit though. Funny thing is that Affirmative Action is only going to hold blacks back more by refusing to let them compete fairly.

I wish you were next to me so I could slap the shit out you :roll: .The biggest benefactor of Affirmative Action is white women

[Akrazotile]

http://media.npr.org/assets/news/2010/08/06/lynch-db2a1722a61a2ea2e98a0cc7e20300a12023b7af-s6-c30.jpg



so after the end of slavery, this never happened? :lol



You also fail to mention that the Jews were given a country and were given monetary aid. Israel gets billions of dollars to this day :lol . I didn't know of any reparations given to African Americans.


:facepalm


Freed slaves actually WERE given a country, called Liberia. Go look it up. The first thing the newly arrived African Americans did was use their knowledge of plantation economics to enslave the locals. Those natives who weren't enslaved were not permitted citizenship of any kind and were put at the bottom of the national caste system.

Here's a link to some info on Liberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia), friend. That way in future your ignorance of history won't conveniently get in the way of your arguments.

[NumberSix]

:roll: it is coming to an end..

you are using a "fact" without any context and trying to hide behind it :oldlol:
The only reason I got dragged into this dumb conversation was know Itawl said a poster was making sweeping generalizations. I merely tried to explain that quoting a stat is a generalization.


You're problem is that you're incredibly biased. You didn't have any issue with me saying whites commit more violent crimes than Asians, men commit more violent crimes than women or that most serial killers are white. You simply accepted them for the factual statements that they are. Mention black people though and now it's a big problem.

[Knoe Itawl]

Who am I generalizing? It's not my opinion that blacks commit more violent crimes in America. It's just a statistical fact. I have never said blacks are inherently bad people. I'm not generalizing anybody. You act as if I'm in some way biased because I accept that a set of crime stats are factual.

What do you want me to say? Black DONT commit more violent crimes?


Who says I'm white?:confusedshrug:

Generally, people who pull out crime rates without any sort of context or reflection of why they might be that way are bigots in my experience on message boards. Those that want to have a genuine discussion on such things tend to behave in a more nuanced way. And no, nuance doesn't mean PC.

I embrace the truth of high crime rates among lower income black communities. I also don't use them as an excuse to generalize an entire group of people, as many white bigots do without giving a thought to the fact that if whites were so pure and wonderful, they wouldn't have the skeletons in their closet that they do.

[Akrazotile]

:roll: it is coming to an end..

you are using a "fact" without any context and trying to hide behind it :oldlol:


How is this different than you taking a tweet and assigning a meaning to it that wasn't stated in the text?

You are literally the biggest hypocrite/bigot on this board, and for some reason its excusable "because you're black."

Sorry but not every white guy is gonna lay down for your double standards like a doormat. know itall and deuce wallaces might, be others will not. And it doesn't make anyone a bigot. If you want EQUALITY, start by applying that standard to yourself when you generalize people you think it's ok for, and then cry foul when others do it and you don't like it.

[russwest0]

I wish you were next to me so I could slap the shit out you :roll: .The biggest benefactor of Affirmative Action is white women

I never said anything about white women. I am saying affirmative action is there in large part because many whites (and others) feel guilt from slavery taking place. Do I feel guilt? Nope. Wasn't there, and wouldn't have been a part of it if I was there. Plus in the long run affirmative action is only holding back the groups it is trying to help.

I'm not saying living in America justifies slavery. I'm saying, if you want to look for what the blacks "got out of it," then it's not having to wake up in a shitty hut each day, starving for food, having a low water supply, and having to worry about a shitload of diseases that could kill you.

[Knoe Itawl]

:facepalm


Freed slaves actually WERE given a country, called Liberia. Go look it up. The first thing the newly arrived African Americans did was use their knowledge of plantation economics to enslave the locals. Those natives who weren't enslaved were not permitted citizenship of any kind and were put at the bottom of the national caste system.

Here's a link to some info on Liberia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia), friend. That way in future your ignorance of history won't conveniently get in the way of your arguments.

This is what's wrong with people such as yourself. No one claimed that blacks are incapable of engaging in heinous behavior. They most certainly are, as are ALL human beings. That's the point.

However, bigoted whites like to sit on their high horse clutching their violent crime stats and using them as a reason to generalize an entire race while not turning that same lens on themselves, and the behaviors of their kind.

Also, see my post earlier in this thread regarding the economic and social ramifications of slavery.

[NumberSix]

Generally, people who pull out crime rates without any sort of context or reflection of why they might be that way are bigots in my experience on message boards. Those that want to have a genuine discussion on such things tend to behave in a more nuanced way. And no, nuance doesn't mean PC.

I embrace the truth of high crime rates among lower income black communities. I also don't use them as an excuse to generalize an entire group of people, as many white bigots do without giving a thought to the fact that if whites were so pure and wonderful, they wouldn't have the skeletons in their closet that they do.
I'm not a normal human though. I generally don't care about people's feelings or emotions in matters of things being true or not true. They're simply true or not true.

I clearly said white commit more violent crimes than Asians. You didn't jump to the conclusion that I'm on a campaign of Asian purity and wonderfulness. You didn't accuse me of generalizing whites.

I said men commit more violent crimes than women. You didn't accuse me of generalizing men.

What's so different about when I said blacks commit more crimes than whites? Why is this 1 statement in desperate need of defensiveness and accusations?

Facts are simply facts.

[Knoe Itawl]

I'm not a normal human though. I generally don't care about people's feelings or emotions in matters of things being true or not true. They're simply true or not true.

I clearly said white commit more violent crimes than Asians. You didn't jump to the conclusion that I'm on a campaign of Asian purity and wonderfulness. You didn't accuse me of generalizing whites.

I said men commit more violent crimes than women. You didn't accuse me of generalizing men.

What's so different about when I said blacks commit more crimes than whites? Why is this 1 statement in desperate need of defensiveness and accusations?

Facts are simply facts.

I tend to have an issue with sweeping generalizations of any kind. However, as I mentioned, I almost never see people generalizing whites on message boards. 99.9% of the time that I see people spouting off about "black crime rates" it's so they can make some bigoted generalization. That's why I didn't respond to the rest of what you said. Also, don't play dumb. If you're been on the Internet longer than a day, you know that's the case. There's always some bigot whether it's on a news site, this site, Youtube, wherever "just pointing out the facts" about black crime.

[Akrazotile]

This is what's wrong with people such as yourself. No one claimed that blacks are incapable of engaging in heinous behavior. They most certainly are, as are ALL human beings. That's the point.

However, bigoted whites like to sit on their high horse clutching their violent crime stats and using them as a reason to generalize an entire race while not turning that same lens on themselves, and the behaviors of their kind.

Also, see my post earlier in this thread regarding the economic and social ramifications of slavery.

You just said:



You also fail to mention that the Jews were given a country and were given monetary aid. Israel gets billions of dollars to this day . I didn't know of any reparations given to African Americans.


And then I gave you a link to a colony that was given to black settlers along with a bunch of money in aid, JUST like israel which you used as a comparison.

The colony turned into a sewer of slavery and corruption lickety split.

Your tone suggest disapproval of the state of Israel, yet I'm sure had you been alive you'd have been a vocal champion of huge American endowments to Liberia. You reek of that self-loathing pimple-faced liberal who sees it as his personal duty to wage war on success wherever you find it, and portray those who haven't had success as the most deserving, well-meaning, innocent little lambs. Once again, freed slaves literally got to their new land and IMMEDIATELY enslaved the locals before eventually just seeing the whole colony turn to shit.


Meanwhile in Israel:

http://www.archiscene.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Library-Israel-Moshe-Safdie-03.jpg


Ok, friend? You realize you're doing all this crying over a tweet that poked fun at NBA players. That's how far you've taken your need to be the super sensitive babysitter for all "peoples oppressed by the white man." Why don't you just grow up and accept that not everyone in life will be intimidated and bow down to your go-to power play, "that's racist!"

That's all you are doing. Looking to gain a moral foothold. Black people are your pawn, you're just looking for some easy credit and glory. "Look how noble the angry guy who calls everyone racist is! So advanced and progressive, oooooh."

Get your validation somewhere else hermano.

[Rasheed1]

How is this different than you taking a tweet and assigning a meaning to it that wasn't stated in the text?

You are literally the biggest hypocrite/bigot on this board, and for some reason its excusable "because you're black."

Sorry but not every white guy is gonna lay down for your double standards like a doormat. know itall and deuce wallaces might, be others will not. And it doesn't make anyone a bigot. If you want EQUALITY, start by applying that standard to yourself when you generalize people you think it's ok for, and then cry foul when others do it and you don't like it.


you're a perennial dumb ass :roll:

I love it... the coded language is clear in his tweet no matter how much want to ignore it.. Also .. the same rant has been used by bigots before.. its a naked appeal to bigots and he got called on it... plain and simple..


you hate it.. I know, but it doesn't matter... you are starface and you are dedicated to racist babble like this :cheers:

[Knoe Itawl]

You just said:




And then I gave you a link to a colony that was given to black settlers along with a bunch of money in aid, JUST like israel which you used as a comparison.

The colony turned into a sewer of slavery and corruption lickety split.

Your tone suggest disapproval of the state of Israel, yet I'm sure had you been alive you'd have been a vocal champion of huge American endowments to Liberia. You reek of that self-loathing pimple-faced liberal who sees it as his personal duty to wage war on success wherever you find it, and portray those who haven't had success as the most deserving, well-meaning, innocent little lambs. Once again, freed slaves literally got to their new land and IMMEDIATELY enslaved the locals before eventually just seeing the whole colony turn to shit.


Meanwhile in Israel:

http://www.archiscene.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Library-Israel-Moshe-Safdie-03.jpg


Ok, friend? You realize you're doing all this crying over a tweet that poked fun at NBA players. That's how far you've taken your need to be the super sensitive babysitter for all "peoples oppressed by the white man." Why don't you just grow up and accept that not everyone in life will be intimidated and bow down to your go-to power play, "that's racist!"

That's all you are doing. Looking to gain a moral foothold. Black people are your pawn, you're just looking for some easy credit and glory. "Look how noble the angry guy who calls everyone racist is! So advanced and progressive, oooooh."

Get your validation somewhere else hermano.

I never said what you quoted me as saying dummy. Go back and look.

[Akrazotile]

I never said what you quoted me as saying dummy. Go back and look.


:(

You're right.






Well..... the point still stands! :lol

[sd3035]

lol some stubborn fools are still trying to pretend that facts don't mean anything

:facepalm :facepalm

[sd3035]

here is a look at the human development index map of the world, darker blue = most developed, lighter = less, grey = no data

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/2013_UN_Human_Development_Report_Quartiles.svg/800px-2013_UN_Human_Development_Report_Quartiles.svg.png

[bdreason]

It was definitely a racist comment, not sure how you could argue otherwise. He might as well have said, "Nobody gonna miss those ni99ers".

I found it offensive as a basketball fan. And my response would probably be, "Let's be honest, 70% of politicians could drop dead tomorrow and the world would probably be a better place".

[Akrazotile]

It was definitely a racist comment, not sure how you could argue otherwise. He might as well have said, "Nobody gonna miss those ni99ers".

I found it offensive as a basketball fan. And my response would probably be, "Let's be honest, 70% of politicians could drop dead tomorrow and the world would probably be a better place".


Again, the NBA has a reputation based on the high profile of SOME of its BLACK players who are connected to crime. Stephen Jackson standing on his car and firing rounds at a strip club. Felton with his latest gun charge. Carmelo showing up in the stop snitchin video back in the day. Randolph investigated for drug trafficking. Gilbert Arenas, weapons. Javaris Crittenden - MURDER.

I mean you guys are fukcnuts pretending these players dont create a general 'gangsta' perception, despite nba heads knowing that the incidents dont happen everday. Just like crooked politicians create a perception that you guys are cavalierly tossing around.

Thats the point here, is that white ppl generalize white ppl all the time, black people generalize black people, white people, asian people, but SOMEHOW.... If a white person generalizes even a very specific group of black people, god forbid he calls them thugs, its the biggest deal of the century. That is PURE hypocrisy and its only purposes is to give people who dont ever otherwise have valuable input a chance to bring that ol soapbox out of the closet.

[Rasheed1]

It was definitely a racist comment, not sure how you could argue otherwise. He might as well have said, "Nobody gonna miss those ni99ers".

I found it offensive as a basketball fan. And my response would probably be, "Let's be honest, 70% of politicians could drop dead tomorrow and the world would probably be a better place".


Well said bro :cheers:

[3243]

You are one of the people who are bothered by the reality, so you cling to ideology.

The NBA instituted a a dress code after years of not having one, bc too many players, i.e. black players, could not dress themselves professionally. That was not the leagues fault, they were only forced to address it because it was becoming an issue.

It seems to me that the real problem was that too many middle-class and upper-class fans spent too much time whining about how NBA players dressed like "thugs" from a gangsta rap video, especially after the Malice at the Palace. These were basically the same people who complained that the NBA was "too black" during the 1970s because the NBA already had the highest percentage of black players and coaches out of all of America's professional sports leagues, and because some of them became Muslims and adopted Muslim names. Parenthetically, I would hate to imagine the degree of media and fan outcry there would be if, say, LeBron James announced he had accepted Islam as his religion and was changing his name accordingly.

That said, I've never understood why some people wear their pants sagging halfway to their knees, and I'm not into tattoos or piercings (which lots of white people--athletes and non-athletes--have also), but to each his/her own, as far as I'm concerned. I think in what is supposed to be a free country, that people can decide for themselves how they want to dress, whether I agree with their fashion choices or not.

[3243]

You just said:




And then I gave you a link to a colony that was given to black settlers along with a bunch of money in aid, JUST like israel which you used as a comparison.

The colony turned into a sewer of slavery and corruption lickety split.

Your tone suggest disapproval of the state of Israel, yet I'm sure had you been alive you'd have been a vocal champion of huge American endowments to Liberia. You reek of that self-loathing pimple-faced liberal who sees it as his personal duty to wage war on success wherever you find it, and portray those who haven't had success as the most deserving, well-meaning, innocent little lambs. Once again, freed slaves literally got to their new land and IMMEDIATELY enslaved the locals before eventually just seeing the whole colony turn to shit.


Meanwhile in Israel:

http://www.archiscene.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Library-Israel-Moshe-Safdie-03.jpg



And let's not start on Israel now. Their government certainly has its own issues regarding how they treat the Palestinians.

[3243]

Again, the NBA has a reputation based on the high profile of SOME of its BLACK players who are connected to crime. Stephen Jackson standing on his car and firing rounds at a strip club. Felton with his latest gun charge. Carmelo showing up in the stop snitchin video back in the day. Randolph investigated for drug trafficking. Gilbert Arenas, weapons. Javaris Crittenden - MURDER.

I mean you guys are fukcnuts pretending these players dont create a general 'gangsta' perception, despite nba heads knowing that the incidents dont happen everday. Just like crooked politicians create a perception that you guys are cavalierly tossing around.

Thats the point here, is that white ppl generalize white ppl all the time, black people generalize black people, white people, asian people, but SOMEHOW.... If a white person generalizes even a very specific group of black people, god forbid he calls them thugs, its the biggest deal of the century. That is PURE hypocrisy and its only purposes is to give people who dont ever otherwise have valuable input a chance to bring that ol soapbox out of the closet.


I'll agree with you on one thing. The players you have mentioned above have had a history of making some stupid choices in life and deserve their penalties. But I don't hear the media criticizing the NFL, MLB, NHL, or MMA as a whole whenever white athletes make similar bad choices like they do the entire NBA whenever African-American players do dumb and destructive things.

And I would say the reason why people tend to become agitated whenever a white person makes a statement about black or Latino people being criminals is because there is a long history of white people using the examples of bad black or Latino apples to taint the whole bunch, and by doing also engender the perception that non-whites are less intelligent, less hygienic, less ambitious and diligent, and more sinister than whites. And since whites have always been the dominant societal group here in America and throughout Europe, what they have said has always been regarded as truth by many.

I hope this helps you to understand a few things better.

[smoovegittar]

Boy, a whole lot of typing over the inadequacies of being human. Man has been abusing his fellow man since Cain and Abel. I have 2 points for anyone who gives a shit.

#1 That politician made a insensitive statement. In this day and age, it's inexcusable and he tipped his hand.

#2 I'm of a mixed heritage, as well as religion. My wife is Jamaican, with a sprinkle of European. We're raising 2 beautiful children who embrace EVERY culture and positive spiritual belief.

This is the only way to get on the right track as a species. With a nod to history, bygones will be bygones. It starts with how you treat your fellow man in the NOW. According to the posts in this NBA forum, we have a L O N G way to go.

My opinion. I won't debate it.