Why are women so bad at sports?

[Nick Young]

I understand they have physical disadvantages to men that they can't help. What I don't understand is the skill disadvantage, in sports like football and basketball. Surely skill is something that anyone can gain by working hard enough. Why are women goal keepers so bad and why do they have such shit basketball skills, even the pro ones?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEniyIGZa58
Seriously wtf is this, this is the highest level of women's football between two of the best team sin the world, it looks like a team of highschool boys can beat them. Like I said I understand the physical disadvantage but I don't understand why they all have a massive skill disadvantage compared to men.

Like curling for example, that's a sport I assume men and women are equals, but for some reason men are even much better then women at that.

Is it all down to spatial perception hormones that women lack?

EDIT: Im sorry but just look at this compilation of WNBA top plays, many of them are just players hitting open jumpshots-why does that go on the top 10? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrPwoJ5On9s

[I<3NBA]

they're not bad. you're just stupid.

[Nick Young]

they're not bad. you're just stupid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ienZj9onV0Q

how would you describe this level of play?

[Wally450]

The one time I'll agree with you. All I did was read the title also. :cheers: :applause:

[eliteballer]

They're actually really good at sports that lend themselves to their physical strengths(flexibility, agility), like gymnastics, figure skating.

[Dresta]

Because they're women.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Specifically skill based sports that don't involve speed or strength?

I always thought some of the top pool players or chess players included a much larger percentage of women than typical sports with athletic features. Female gymnasts and ice skaters seem to have just as good balance and flexibility as the men do.

Not sure if you want to consider chess and pool sports, but otherwise yeah if you're definition of a sport is something that involves any sort of extended muscle exertion on average men will have an inherent advantage.

[Nick Young]

They're actually really good at sports that lend themselves to their physical strengths(flexibility, agility), like gymnastics, figure skating.
that's true, also sports that involve sexy dancing.

But things like football and basketball, why are they so inferior skillwise compared to male athletes?

[Nick Young]

Specifically skill based sports that don't involve speed or strength?

I always thought some of the top pool players or chess players included a much larger percentage of women than typical sports with athletic features. Female gymnasts and ice skaters seem to have just as good balance and flexibility as the men do.

Not sure if you want to consider chess and pool sports, but otherwise yeah if you're definition of a sport is something that involves any sort of extended muscle exertion on average men will have an inherent advantage.
I'm talking basketball and soccer and rugby and sports involving athleticism.

[Akrazotile]

Depends who you ask.


Men's answer: Nature

Women's answer: Nurture

[johndeeregreen]

Surely skill is something that anyone can gain by working hard enough.
Exposed your own trolling attempt with this statement here. If anyone can gain skill simply by trying really hard, we'd all be pro athletes.

[Akrazotile]

that's true, also sports that involve sexy dancing.

But things like football and basketball, why are they so inferior skillwise compared to male athletes?


There is no evolutionary requirement for women to be coordinated.

For men, who hunted animals and went to war with other tribes, there is.


That's all.

[Nick Young]

Exposed your own trolling attempt with this statement here. If anyone can gain skill simply by trying really hard, we'd all be pro athletes.
Not true-talent of course comes in to play-on top of that to make it as pros you need the ideal combination of determined mentality, ability to cope with pressure, the right drive and attitude, the proper body for the sport, as well as the luck of not getting a major injury and getting a big break and the right people seeing you perform on the right day.


Of course also, someone with talent and hard work is always going to be more skilled then a talentless scrub who works hard.


Skills are definately gained through hard work, it is impossible to deny this. Ray Allen wasn't just born with a perfect jumpshot:hammerhead: Randy Johnson wasn't born knowing how to throw his slider.:hammerhead:

Very few people lack the perfect combination of mentality, drive, work ethic, talent and athleticism that is needed to become a pro athlete. That's why we aren't all pro athletes for trying hard. Your trolling logic is idiotic. Im not even trolling in this thread-I'm genuinely curious.

Just look at Norway's #10 in the vid I posted. She is the top skilled player on one of the top womens teams in the world and has worse skills then random Mexican 14 year olds playing AYSO level soccer in LA. I am wondering why there is such a gigantic descrepancy between the two genders.



What I'm asking is, these women are the best in the world at what they do, why is their level of skill so low compared to male athletes who play in the same positions?

[chosen_one6]

OP is an idiot.

[Nick Young]

OP is an idiot.
how so?


How come women goal keepers for example are always mishandling easy catches and blindly punching and missing at crosses compared to men?

[chosen_one6]

how so?


How come women goal keepers for example are always mishandling easy catches and blindly punching and missing at crosses compared to men?

They don't have the reflexes that men do.

[Nick Young]

They don't have the reflexes that men do.
according to biologists, they have better reflexes then men due to shorter muscles and faster twitch muscles. However this advantage is too miniscule to matter.

It has more to do with lack of spatial perception then anything else IMO, and yes, science has proven that spatial perception IS hormone related.

[chosen_one6]

according to biologists, they have better reflexes then men due to shorter muscles and faster twitch muscles. However this advantage is too miniscule to matter.

It has more to do with lack of spatial perception then anything else IMO, and yes, science has proven that spatial perception IS hormone related.

I remember seeing that it was due to reflexes but it seems that theory has been debunked.

It seems it has more to do with conditioning and spatial perception as you pointed out. So if you knew that already, why as the question in the OP?

[AintNoSunshine]

Why are men, except for OP, so bad at sucking cokk?

[Akrazotile]

Why are men, except for OP, so bad at sucking cokk?

:roll:


THis was a good one. I lol'd.

[mr.big35]

because they are women

[AlphaWolf24]

It don't matter because...

http://usatmmajunkie.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ronda-rousey-ufc-1683.jpg

because she could literally beat the brakes outta every ISH member here and not even break a nail.:confusedshrug:

Oh yeah...Women are also the one's that grow people inside them :confusedshrug:

not sure it's gets anymore badazz or athletic then that:confusedshrug:










lot of people here are fans of p3niz it seems.:confusedshrug:

[Random_Guy]

dont care would bang

[nightprowler10]

Because the sports you want them to succeed in in order to make a good comparison were designed for men, by men?

[mr.big35]

It don't matter because...

http://usatmmajunkie.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ronda-rousey-ufc-1683.jpg

because she could literally beat the brakes outta every ISH member here and not even break a nail.:confusedshrug:

Oh yeah...Women are also the one's that grow people inside them :confusedshrug:

not sure it's gets anymore badazz or athletic then that:confusedshrug:










lot of people here are fans of p3niz it seems.:confusedshrug:



I would knock her with one punch and send her back to the kitchen

[-p.tiddy-]

It don't matter because...

http://usatmmajunkie.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ronda-rousey-ufc-1683.jpg

because she could literally beat the brakes outta every ISH member here and not even break a nail.:confusedshrug:

Oh yeah...Women are also the one's that grow people inside them :confusedshrug:

not sure it's gets anymore badazz or athletic then that:confusedshrug:










lot of people here are fans of p3niz it seems.:confusedshrug:
http://www.mattbrandenburg.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/tits-or-gtfo.jpg

[DukeDelonte13]

I was dating a girl who played soccer in college. I never played organized soccer in my life. I went out there for a scrimmage with her teammates and I was dominant. :confusedshrug:

[AlphaWolf24]

http://www.mattbrandenburg.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/tits-or-gtfo.jpg

trying...:confusedshrug:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DZ2O4TNfZuY/UA2Zq7EaHrI/AAAAAAAATXc/4PJSkt3VhJg/s1600/NLM_6.jpg

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Where exactly is your proof that they are bad? A clip of lowlights could be made for any sport. Tennis for example is a sport where women play a more skillful game than men because they dont rely on power.

[-p.tiddy-]

Where exactly is your proof that they are bad? A clip of lowlights could be made for any sport. Tennis for example is a sport where women play a more skillful game than men because they dont rely on power.
the 203rd ranked male tennis player cleaned house on both Williams sisters


A fourth event dubbed a "Battle of the Sexes" took place during the 1998 Australian Open[20] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams, aged 17 and 16 respectively, had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked below 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park.[21] Braasch first took on Venus and beat her 6–2. He then played Serena and won 6–1.[22] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance." He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun".[23]

lol at the bold

there is no sport where women can compete with men, the closest I believe is billiards but even in that the males are better than the females

[AlphaWolf24]

the 203rd ranked male tennis player cleaned house on both Williams sisters



lol at the bold

there is no sport where women can compete with men, the closest I believe is billiards but even in that the males are better than the females


Archery Women are better then Men ( crazy because it does use Muscle memory and weapons!)

Shooting Women are better then Men ( less muscle memory I guess...more focus / concentration )

Sailing Women are better then Men ( not sure ....but I would Imagine Muscle memory and endurance/Focus)

Horse Riding women are better then Men ( self explanatory)

[-p.tiddy-]

Archery Women are better then Men ( crazy because it does use Muscle memory and weapons!)

Shooting Women are better then Men ( less muscle memory I guess...more focus / concentration )

Sailing Women are better then Men ( not sure ....but I would Imagine Muscle memory and endurance/Focus)

Horse Riding women are better then Men ( self explanatory)
hmm...I can maybe buy archery and shooting but not the other two

why would women be better at horse riding?...most jockeys are males correct?

[lakers_forever]

Archery Women are better then Men ( crazy because it does use Muscle memory and weapons!)

Shooting Women are better then Men ( less muscle memory I guess...more focus / concentration )

Sailing Women are better then Men ( not sure ....but I would Imagine Muscle memory and endurance/Focus)

Horse Riding women are better then Men ( self explanatory)

No

No

No

No

Next. All the best scores in all those sports are by men.

Example, shooting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_shooting

[AlphaWolf24]

hmm...I can maybe buy archery and shooting but not the other two

why would women be better at horse riding?...most jockeys are males correct?


I think in the aspect of racing combined with equestrian riding...the women know how to Control the Horse better while Riding? :confusedshrug:

[lakers_forever]

Read this thread in an archery forum:


http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1975267&page=2


You need to stop looking at only the very top few women's scores and look at the whole field to see the lack of equality in performance. Case in point - recurve divisions at Vegas this year. If you combine the men and women into one championship flight the top woman would have placed 2nd - great. But the 3rd place woman would have been 16th, 10th place woman 36th.

There were only 2 women in the top 20 in the flights where the men and women are combined.

[-p.tiddy-]

I can actually recall reading something on women having some advantage in shooting in comparison to males a while back...I can't remember what that reason was though

[ace23]

Depends who you ask.


Men's answer: Nature

Women's answer: Nurture
Real shit.

[kentatm]

there are far more men playing sports than women and the men usually get way more resources to work with

[AlphaWolf24]

No

No

No

No

Next. All the best scores in all those sports are by men.

Example, shooting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_shooting


:facepalm come on son....Utalkin bout baby steps....

I'm talkin bout Grown up sh!t....Shooting weapons on the Move! while sking , Running and in the snow! Grown Women stuff....

http://www.sochi2014.com/en/biathlon-schedule-and-results

http://www.trbimg.com/img-531b8843/turbine/sns-rt-cbrea271mwn00-jpg-20140308/600

[oarabbus]

Where exactly is your proof that they are bad? A clip of lowlights could be made for any sport. Tennis for example is a sport where women play a more skillful game than men because they dont rely on power.


:facepalm



Archery Women are better then Men ( crazy because it does use Muscle memory and weapons!)

Shooting Women are better then Men ( less muscle memory I guess...more focus / concentration )

Sailing Women are better then Men ( not sure ....but I would Imagine Muscle memory and endurance/Focus)

Horse Riding women are better then Men ( self explanatory)




"Shooting is one of the few collegiate sports where men and women regularly compete against one another—and women are often winning."

The others, no, there isn't anything to suggest that women are better. Plus, all you are doing is strengthening OP's topic. Out of dozens (hundreds?) of sports/athletic events, women are better at one single event and comparable in only four? not really helping your argument there :lol in fact you just buried it deeper

You'd think women would be as good or better than men at things like Golf, Racing (Danica Patrick? lol), Chess (never been a female grand master), Video Games and Poker (no physical disparity), Jeopardy, etc... they aren't, in any of these.

Even the best chefs in the world are men, and that's an argument women can't claim discrimination/"nurture" against.

[lakers_forever]

It don't matter because...

http://usatmmajunkie.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ronda-rousey-ufc-1683.jpg

because she could literally beat the brakes outta every ISH member here and not even break a nail.:confusedshrug:


Most regular dudes with a brown or even purple BJJ belt could kick her ass. A heavy kid who is a great high school wrestler would also kick her ass.

Some people just don't understand the difference between men and women. Just an example...

Have you guys ever heard of Marta? She's brazilian and probably the best female soccer player in the world. The Brazilian pro Women's team with Marta played a friendly against Fluminenses under 15 team and they lost. They could not even beat 14 year old boys.








Oh yeah...Women are also the one's that grow people inside them :confusedshrug:

not sure it's gets anymore badazz or athletic then that:confusedshrug:



That's true. Women are strong and beautiful. The thing is there's no Misogyny in saying men are much better than women in sports. Women just don't have the same phsycal abilty and strengh.

[CeltsGarlic]

Yeah mostly because they have no coordination. plain laughable sometimes

[AlphaWolf24]

Any regular dude with a brown or even purple belt could kick her ass. A heavy kid who is a great high school wrestler would ass kick her ass.

Some people just don't understand the difference between men and women. Just an example...

Have you guys ever heard of Marta? She's brazilian and probably the best female soccer player in the world. The Brazilian pro Women's team with Marta played a friendly against Fluminenses under 15 team and they lost. They could not even beat 14 year old boys.








That's true. Women are strong and beautiful. The thing is there's no Misogyny in saying men are much better than women in sports. Women just don't have the same phsycal abilty and strengh.

True...

I was never saying Women are better pure athlete's then men...

If you want to read why I posted that pic....read the Rousey vs Mayweather thread.

Against a Man who trained/Understands Sub Grappling she would be in a lot of trouble.

Against a Man in relative size to her that had little to zero understanding of how to Grapple...she would have a clear advantage...as she is an Olympic/world class Sub Mission fighter

[dr.hee]

You'd think women would be as good or better than men at things like Golf, Racing (Danica Patrick? lol), Chess (never been a female grand master), Video Games and Poker (no physical disparity), Jeopardy, etc... they aren't, in any of these.

First of all, don't really want to make a point for whichever "side" in this argument, just wanted to correct this...there are 31 female grand masters (with the real GM title, not the WGM) right now. Judit Polgar was a legit top 10 player in the world when she was playing seriously.

Here's an article (http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/276/1659/1161.full) which claims that 96% of the observed rating differences between men and women are to be expected due to the much higher number of males playing chess.

Again, don't wanna make a point for any side of this debate, since I don't think OP is interested in any meaningful discussion anyway. But in chess it's not as simple to attribute performance differences to gender specific factors as in, I don't know, weight lifting or basketball or whatever.

[CeltsGarlic]

Archery Women are better then Men ( crazy because it does use Muscle memory and weapons!)

Shooting Women are better then Men ( less muscle memory I guess...more focus / concentration )

Sailing Women are better then Men ( not sure ....but I would Imagine Muscle memory and endurance/Focus)

Horse Riding women are better then Men ( self explanatory)

Yeah, I have a lot of knowledge on this one, and its the most absurd thing I ever heard. This lithuanian girl who was 3rd or something at olympics battled this one fella who is just an old sailman, and got destroyed..

We even talked and I asked about how would she compares to this or that dude and she said they are better than her.

[iamgine]

Many reasons but four main ones:

- Culturally, women aren't encouraged to play sport.

- Physically, they are weaker.

- Financially, their league are not as well funded.

- Competitively, they don't play/train with the best.


Potential for skill though, I don't think there's a difference. I've seen female badminton players absolutely destroy legit male players. Of course as you get into the world stage the difference in physical ability becomes too much to overcome.

[Godzuki]

i actually think girls are more textbook fundamental than guys at sports in general. a lot of guys even at pro levels can have some horrible fundamentals of their sport, and get by a lot on their freak ability or athleticism. i think with girls they all have to work a lot harder at fundamentals with less naturally standout athleticism mostly.

problem is they're so much slower. when we'd watch girls soccer play we'd always call it underwater soccer relative to the guys.

[oarabbus]

First of all, don't really want to make a point for whichever "side" in this argument, just wanted to correct this...there are 31 female grand masters (with the real GM title, not the WGM) right now. Judit Polgar was a legit top 10 player in the world when she was playing seriously.

Here's an article (http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/276/1659/1161.full) which claims that 96% of the observed rating differences between men and women are to be expected due to the much higher number of males playing chess.

Again, don't wanna make a point for any side of this debate, since I don't think OP is interested in any meaningful discussion anyway. But in chess it's not as simple to attribute performance differences to gender specific factors as in, I don't know, weight lifting or basketball or whatever.

Thanks for the correction. I try to not say things I hear without fact-checking them, but I failed that time.

[Nick Young]

Where exactly is your proof that they are bad? A clip of lowlights could be made for any sport. Tennis for example is a sport where women play a more skillful game than men because they dont rely on power.
even tennis men are higher skilled+stronger

[Nick Young]

i actually think girls are more textbook fundamental than guys at sports in general. a lot of guys even at pro levels can have some horrible fundamentals of their sport, and get by a lot on their freak ability or athleticism. i think with girls they all have to work a lot harder at fundamentals with less naturally standout athleticism mostly.

problem is they're so much slower. when we'd watch girls soccer play we'd always call it underwater soccer relative to the guys.

This is a complete myth though, just watch the WNBA if you want to see lack of fundamentals in action. Pretty sure an average boys highschool team would curb stomp the champion WNBA team.

[johndeeregreen]

Skills are definately gained through hard work, it is impossible to deny this. Ray Allen wasn't just born with a perfect jumpshot:hammerhead: Randy Johnson wasn't born knowing how to throw his slider.:hammerhead:
Ray Allen was born with God-given athleticism, size, and coordination. Randy Johnson was born a freak of nature capable of firing 100 mph fastballs. That shit you don't learn. So now matter how good of a slider I develop of how deadly my jumper is, I'm not playing pro baseball or basketball because I wasn't born with the tools to do so. What you're saying is the equivalent of "why don't girls just learn to throw 100mph fastballs?" It's completely ridiculous and I'm sure you know it.

[Nick Young]

Ray Allen was born with God-given athleticism, size, and coordination. Randy Johnson was born a freak of nature capable of firing 100 mph fastballs. That shit you don't learn. So now matter how good of a slider I develop of how deadly my jumper is, I'm not playing pro baseball or basketball because I wasn't born with the tools to do so. What you're saying is the equivalent of "why don't girls just learn to throw 100mph fastballs?" It's completely ridiculous and I'm sure you know it.
Exactly dumbass. Skills AREN'T EVERYTHING. READ MY POST.

You need a combo of the right mentality, the right body, the right work ethic, talent AND LUCK to be a pro athlete. But skills ARE ACQUIRED through hard work. Like you said, Ray Allen was not born with his jumpshot. He had to work hard and practice hard to gain the skill of shooting jumpers like he does.

Hard work and talent don't always go hand in hand.:hammerhead:

I'm talking about football. Basic dribbling, basic passing, basic ability to shoot. The right movement off the ball. How to cross. THESE ARE ALL SKILLS that are acquired through hard work.

I understand women have an inherant athleticism advantage they can't overcome. What I don't understand is why women footballers and basketballers can't atleast match their male counterparts in terms of skill.

ANother example: Marta is the best womans footballer in the world. She is the Pele of womens football. Her team played a friendly against a 15 year old Fluminese boys team AND GOT DESTROYED.

If all Randy Johnson did was throw his god given 100 MPH fastball, he would never have become an alltime great pitcher. He learned the SKILL of throwing a slider, a sinker and a changeup through hard work. He wasn't born knowing how to aim and throw a perfect slider. He had to work hard and practice to acquire the skill of throwing a slider. Do you understand now? I'm trying to make this simple for you.

[FaceBack]

Exactly dumbass. Skills AREN'T EVERYTHING. READ MY POST.

You need a combo of the right mentality, the right body, the right work ethic, talent AND LUCK to be a pro athlete. But skills ARE ACQUIRED through hard work. Like you said, Ray Allen was not born with his jumpshot. He had to work hard and practice hard to gain the skill of shooting jumpers like he does.

Hard work and talent don't always go hand in hand.:hammerhead:

I'm talking about football. Basic dribbling, basic passing, basic ability to shoot. The right movement off the ball. How to cross. THESE ARE ALL SKILLS that are acquired through hard work.

I understand women have an inherant athleticism advantage they can't overcome. What I don't understand is why women footballers and basketballers can't atleast match their male counterparts in terms of skill.

ANother example: Marta is the best womans footballer in the world. She is the Pele of womens football. Her team played a friendly against a 15 year old Fluminese boys team AND GOT DESTROYED.

If all Randy Johnson did was throw his god given 100 MPH fastball, he would never have become an alltime great pitcher. He learned the SKILL of throwing a slider, a sinker and a changeup through hard work. He wasn't born knowing how to aim and throw a perfect slider. He had to work hard and practice to acquire the skill of throwing a slider. Do you understand now? I'm trying to make this simple for you.

You are comparing females professional athletes vs male professional athletes. The best women are better than 75% of the male population. Not only that, but i could use a JaVale McGee/ Nick Young blooper reel to argue that men suck at sports.

[Nick Young]

You are comparing females professional athletes vs male professional athletes. The best women are better than 75% of the male population. Not only that, but i could use a JaVale McGee/ Nick Young blooper reel to argue that men suck at sports.
Not true. I am a scrub and my friend is a scrub and played vs 2 top level full scholarship chicks on USCs basketball team and destroyed them.

The GOAT woman soccer player and her team played vs 15 year old boys and got destroyed.

In freshman year I was on the sophmore soccer team, we sucked. We played against the girls team which was the best in the region. We killed them 10-0 and it wasnt hard. We were 14 year olds playing vs 17 year olds who were the best in the region.

Venus and Serena played vs the 204th ranked male tennis player in the world and got killed. He said he played like the 600th best tennis player just to make things interesting.

[FaceBack]

Not true. I am a scrub and my friend is a scrub and played vs 2 top level full scholarship chicks on USCs basketball team and destroyed them.

The GOAT woman soccer player and her team played vs 15 year old boys and got destroyed.

In freshman year I was on the sophmore soccer team, we sucked. We played against the girls team which was the best in the region. We killed them 10-0 and it wasnt hard. We were 14 year olds playing vs 17 year olds who were the best in the region.

Venus and Serena played vs the 204th ranked male tennis player in the world and got killed. He said he played like the 600th best tennis player just to make things interesting.

proves my point. You and your friends are in the top 25%. For 1 of you there are 3 guys who have probably never played sports, are out of shape, or stink to high heaven.

[Nick Young]

proves my point. You and your friends are in the top 25%. For 1 of you there are 3 guys who have probably never played sports, are out of shape, or stink to high heaven.
Nope, I was a scrub not even able to make my highschool basketball team, and my highschools team sucked. These chicks were among the top women athletes in the state with full scholarships to play on one of the best womans teams in the state and they couldnt even get their shit up against us without getting swatted.

[G-train]

I would say some men are better than some women at sport.
I know for an absolute fact that 90% of ISH at a minimum couldn't hang in the WNBL of Australia, let alone the WNBA of USA.

[G-train]

This tennis story is funny though, as I don't like the Williams sisters as athletes:
http://observer.theguardian.com/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html

[ace23]

This tennis story is funny though, as I don't like the Williams sisters as athletes:
http://observer.theguardian.com/osm/story/0,,543962,00.html
Third time I've seen this posted here in the last two days.

[oarabbus]

Nope, I was a scrub not even able to make my highschool basketball team, and my highschools team sucked. These chicks were among the top women athletes in the state with full scholarships to play on one of the best womans teams in the state and they couldnt even get their shit up against us without getting swatted.


This. Like I said earlier, one of my homies on the track team beat the women's world record in the mile... as a high school sophomore.

He ran a faster time then the women's world record two-mile as a high school freshman. I was one of the highest body fat % guys on our team and was on the same level as girls who had their tuition fully paid for at top-level D1 schools in Track or Cross Country.

Yeah, there's obviously differences but why could a guy without a prayer of joining a SH1TTY DIII school (me) compete with D1-bound women? When we'd do workouts they'd get absolutely left in the dust on the final rep.

[blablabla]

there are far more men playing sports than women and the men usually get way more resources to work with
boom /thread

[oarabbus]

boom /thread

Not really. As a counterexample, how about cooking, and fashion?

The best chefs in the world are men, the best designers are gay men. Women FAR outnumber men in both.

[RidonKs]

isn't it just that they're driven less by competition than men... and since sports are exclusively about competition, they're less likely to excel? seems like an appropriate explanation to me :confusedshrug:

i heard a freakonomics podcast a while back that was about an anthro study of two tribes, one which was male-dominated and the other which was female-dominated. they used a series of games to test competitive drive, i don't remember the exact methodology, but the results came back conclusively that whoever dominated and made decisions in the society were more competitive.

you can draw whatever conclusions from that you want, different ways to interpret it i guess. i found the episode (http://freakonomics.com/2013/02/24/women-are-not-men-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/) if anyones interested.

[RoseCity07]

Wider hips in general means they are less efficient runners. On an evolutionary level females don't really need to be that competitive. They definitely weren't the ones going out and killing animals as humans evolved.

Women are actually pretty good in skill sports. Women are beast in tennis and I think bowling.

[FaceBack]

Nope, I was a scrub not even able to make my highschool basketball team, and my highschools team sucked. These chicks were among the top women athletes in the state with full scholarships to play on one of the best womans teams in the state and they couldnt even get their shit up against us without getting swatted.

how many players on the HS team? 15? 15 out of several hundred boys in your school. You still don't realize how broad 25% is.

[Nick Young]

how many players on the HS team? 15? 15 out of several hundred boys in your school. You still don't realize how broad 25% is.
I couldnt even make the fresh/soph team.

Also these chicks were in the top 1%.

SO why cant the top 1% elite women athletes beat me and my scrub friend in basketball easily? They had good handle and shot but they couldnt even get anything decent off against us. Also on defense the scratched and reached in so much and still couldnt stop us for shit.

[-p.tiddy-]

Not really. As a counterexample, how about cooking, and fashion?

The best chefs in the world are men, the best designers are gay men. Women FAR outnumber men in both.
I do think women are inferior to men from an athletic standpoint but cooking, fashion, art in general, etc are pretty subjective...it is really difficult to rank chefs and designers in a way that is factual. With sports we have numbers to work with.

[Bonesaw]

Why are men so bad at giving head?

[tomtucker]

womens handball seems pretty rough.....

[dr.hee]

Why are men so bad at giving head?

It's not their fault if your dick's too small.

[Ass Dan]

they are thinkin about takin c0ck 24/7

[PHX_Phan]

Female sports leagues haven't been around as long and are not nearly as mainstream as male leagues. Also, like someone else said, women are not culturally pushed towards sports like males are. Male sports have been widely popular since back when females barely made up a fraction of the workforce and were expected to be housewives.

Female athletes today are beating old male records, so the idea that women just can't match male performance is false. I think women will start closing the gap between them and men gradually if both male and female sports are placed at the same level.

[-p.tiddy-]

Female sports leagues haven't been around as long and are not nearly as mainstream as male leagues. Also, like someone else said, women are not culturally pushed towards sports like males are. Male sports have been widely popular since back when females barely made up a fraction of the workforce and were expected to be housewives.

Female athletes today are beating old male records, so the idea that women just can't match male performance is false. I think women will start closing the gap between them and men gradually if both male and female sports are placed at the same level.
really so you think that women are actually equal to men athletically speaking and physically speaking? society is just holding them back and not strength, speed, agility, etc?

[PHX_Phan]

really so you think that women are actually equal to men athletically speaking and physically speaking? society is just holding them back and not strength, speed, agility, etc?

Not equal, no. The differences between male and female roles over time are what harbored the advantages males now have over females. Now that female athletes are becoming bigger(socially), I think the disparity in athletic advantage will start to shrink. I'm still saying that there is a disparity, though. That was one of my main arguments in the Floyd vs Rousey thread.

Just looking at my high school, it was easy to say the male teams mopped the floor with the female teams. However, I'd say close to around 90% of all the males at my school wanted to be either on the football or basketball team. Tons of high school boys want to be the next sports superstar. And all of the guys on those teams were part of the 'popular' crowd.

I'd say 20% or less of the females had even a slight interest in playing any of those sports. The school had the money for female sports programs, but most of the time they couldn't get enough interest, and this was in a large high school. Of the females that did play, a lot of them were social outcasts with the exception of a few that also did cheerleading.

That could explain a big part of why female athletes don't excel in particular aspects of sports and don't necessarily depend on athletic ability. The talent pool is just much, much smaller overall.

[-p.tiddy-]

Not equal, no. The differences between male and female roles over time are what harbored the advantages males now have over females. Now that female athletes are becoming bigger(socially), I think the disparity in athletic advantage will start to shrink. I'm still saying that there is a disparity, though. That was one of my main arguments in the Floyd vs Rousey thread.

Just looking at my high school, it was easy to say the male teams mopped the floor with the female teams. However, I'd say close to around 90% of all the males at my school wanted to be either on the football or basketball team. Tons of high school boys want to be the next sports superstar. And all of the guys on those teams were part of the 'popular' crowd.

I'd say 20% or less of the females had even a slight interest in playing any of those sports. The school had the money for female sports programs, but most of the time they couldn't get enough interest, and this was in a large high school. Of the females that did play, a lot of them were social outcasts with the exception of a few that also did cheerleading.

That could explain a big part of why female athletes don't excel in particular aspects of sports and don't necessarily depend on athletic ability. The talent pool is just much, much smaller overall.
the talent pool is smaller true, but in basketball for example, the pool is still decent size and the best female players (Cooper, Swoopes, whatever) couldn't even make then bench of a bad men's college team.

I don't doubt that women are held back a bit for society reasons, but they can't compete with men (in most sports) for the simple reason that they are just not capable of it.

[niko]

the talent pool is smaller true, but in basketball for example, the pool is still decent size and the best female players (Cooper, Swoopes, whatever) couldn't even make then bench of a bad men's college team.

I don't doubt that women are held back a bit for society reasons, but they can't compete with men (in most sports) for the simple reason that they are just not capable of it.
I find it strange men on this board are confused that women phyiscally can't compete with men in sports.

BTW, you know this topic's purpose is for Bruinlove (again) to put down women. I'm not sure the genesis of his issues with women, but there are about ten topics that start "why are women worse at" and go from there. Total insecure silliness top to bottom.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

the 203rd ranked male tennis player cleaned house on both Williams sisters


yeah cause of power... You're comparing a woman to an elite male sports player. Just mathematically that is retarded.


What is the actual proof that women are bad at sports? I don't mean lets take womens top records and compare them to mens records... I mean what actual proof is there that skill wise women are bad (disregarding physical limitations)?

[PHX_Phan]

the talent pool is smaller true, but in basketball for example, the pool is still decent size and the best female players (Cooper, Swoopes, whatever) couldn't even make then bench of a bad men's college team.

I don't doubt that women are held back a bit for society reasons, but they can't compete with men (in most sports) for the simple reason that they are just not capable of it.

It's not really being held back as much as there just has never been a huge incentive.

In my example from high school, none of those girls were held back from pursuing sports. There just wasn't an interest. It wasn't as cool for a girl to play sports as it was for a male. There was just more appeal there. Not all the guys are trying to get with the female football captain, or doing cheer on the sidelines during their games.

I'm pretty much agreeing with you as far as women not being able to compete on a male level, but this thread is asking why.

[-p.tiddy-]

yeah cause of power... You're comparing a woman to an elite male sports player. Just mathematically that is retarded.


What is the actual proof that women are bad at sports? I don't mean lets take womens top records and compare them to mens records... I mean what actual proof is there that skill wise women are bad (disregarding physical limitations)?
the 203rd ranked male is "elite"? I think you misread the post...the Williams sisters were considered "elite" aka "the best" women tennis players...and when they played the 203rd ranked male (not "elite" in any way) they couldn't even make the game close, they got killed...

as for the second part of your post, the OP is asking what makes women "bad" at sports in comparison to men, not just in general.