View Full Version : Mental Strength is genetics. Agreed?
keep-itreal
03-11-2014, 09:28 PM
You're either born mentally tough or mentally weak. Agreed?
Joyner82reload
03-11-2014, 09:29 PM
False. It's confidence which in a lot of times comes with situation
ArbitraryWater
03-11-2014, 09:29 PM
who knows honestly.. maybe its neither. you choke you simply choke, thats it :confusedshrug:
Smook A.
03-11-2014, 09:30 PM
False. It's confidence which in a lot of times comes with situation
:applause:
Confidence is key
Ai2death
03-11-2014, 09:36 PM
I think it's more a combination of things,
Conditioning, Confidence & also how some was raised.
it's a combination of things... there really is no one answer to what makes people good at sports
I just attended a seminar for driving coaches and this was one of the topics we covered as to how to extract information from a driver after a session
first you have to assume the person is physically correct for his sport.. but we can assume this as a given and ignore the oddball who overcomes this aspect now and again... see Spud Webb in the NBA or Gerhard Berger in a formula one car (Berger was abnormally tall for a racing driver)
the ability to break down and analyze information as it's streaming in is key to any athletes success in any sport and there are different types of athletes who achieve this in different ways. not everyone is the same but surprisingly two people who are polar opposites can still reach the same successes in their sport.
Genetics is one, there are people that just can't handle too much information, it becomes static (in racing we call it red mist) and there are those that can absorb massive amounts of data
breaking down and filtering data as it streams in from our senses and surroundings is a big part what being good at a any sport is about, a large part of being good at something is the ability to make mistakes and correct them.
the ones that can't overcome the redmist or static are doomed to make mistakes, usually the same mistakes over and over while those that process the info, realize the mistake and correct for it can move onto making other mistakes and breaking them down.. they'll have a much steeper learning curve than those that keep tripping all over themselves
There are things that can help make the above easier for both types of people and lessen the role of genetics and improve upon the other factors...
familiarity/repetition and physical fitness are important.. nothing works if you're out of shape and you can't learn to recover from mistakes if you don't make them so being fit enough to put the time in over an extended time frame can't be ignored... practice doesn't make perfect but it does make it permanent so a proper foundation is important. once the foundation is in place it's a matter of expanding on it.
all this adds up to being successful and when you're successful you have confidence and once that gets going you can do anything if you put the time in
russwest0
03-11-2014, 11:05 PM
False. It's confidence which in a lot of times comes with situation
joyner back :applause:
DaSeba5
03-11-2014, 11:06 PM
No. You can build confidence.
JohnMax
03-11-2014, 11:07 PM
Lebron is genetically the most gifted athlete on the planet but mentally soft
hahaitme
03-11-2014, 11:08 PM
Very minor part of it would be from genetics - you can't rule it out completely because genetics are the basis for mental conditions (brain chemical imbalances etc). In the sense of competitive mental strength, I would say it's gotta be how you were raised/life experiences.
tpols
03-11-2014, 11:09 PM
nah its definitely more about circumstances/how you were raised, what situations youve been through.
SpecialQue
03-11-2014, 11:10 PM
Hey Joyner how'd you like that True Detective finale?
DaSeba5
03-11-2014, 11:10 PM
Lebron is genetically the most gifted athlete on the planet but mentally soft
I think LeBron has been mentally tough since choking in the 2011 Finals which is why he's been clutch and big time for Miami when they needed him most, which proves my point that you can build confidence over time.
BigMacAttack
03-11-2014, 11:12 PM
You cant just put it down to one thing imo.
jstern
03-11-2014, 11:14 PM
It's something you're born with, or if you believe in reincarnation, something that's dependent on the soul.
Perhaps both. Fear is an emotion determined by our genetics, necessary for survival. So that factors in too.
Having a messed up child hood can also affect a person, but none the less it's something you're born with.
SHAQisGOAT
03-11-2014, 11:17 PM
You cant just put it down to one thing imo.
this
J Shuttlesworth
03-11-2014, 11:24 PM
Hey Joyner how'd you like that True Detective finale?
I'm not joyner but I thought it was solid. The Yellow King was creepy as ****, and the acting was great. It wasn't perfect, but great finale
SpecialQue
03-11-2014, 11:30 PM
I'm not joyner but I thought it was solid. The Yellow King was creepy as ****, and the acting was great. It wasn't perfect, but great finale
I loved it too, but Joyner claimed that he "solved" the mystery and posted this huge fvcking novel about Marty's wife being in the cult with his daughter and shit.
buddha
03-11-2014, 11:43 PM
You're either born mentally tough or mentally weak. Agreed?
no, it's a mix of nutrition and sociological conditions
buddha
03-11-2014, 11:44 PM
I'm not joyner but I thought it was solid. The Yellow King was creepy as ****, and the acting was great. It wasn't perfect, but great finale
it was shit until the final scene.
NumberSix
03-11-2014, 11:48 PM
Mostly genetic. It's a fact that different people have different chemical reactions to different stimulus such as pressure or fear.
A very simplified way to put it would be the fight or flight instinct in all animals. Given identical circumstances, 2 of the same species presented with a tense situation, 1 might retreat (flight) and 1 might dive into it (fight).
You can gain confidence and be somewhat shaped by certain circumstances, but if it is your nature to have the flight instinct, it will always be your nature forever.
Soundwave
03-12-2014, 01:24 AM
Eh ... it's kind of hard to say.
I think mental toughness is basically like a muscle ... if you don't work it out, it will be weak. If you work it out a lot, it will be strong.
ballin33
03-12-2014, 01:58 AM
Not entirely no. Yes, what you're born with can predetermine somewhat what you become. But remember, your genetics and genome are constantly evolving and changing due to the environment that surrounds you. Say someone like MJ, who grew up in an environment were he had a father figure that gave him toughness, and brothers that gave him competitiveness. As for LeBron he didn't grow up in a similar environment, so perhaps that is why it took him longer for him to have those traits(i.e. choking and learning from the 2011 finals failure.)
livinglegend
03-12-2014, 02:00 AM
It s not really genes that make an individual, it s gene expressions that make him. Some of the genes are deactivated in some situations and they get activated in other situations. Gene expressions are highly affected by the environment in which the individual lives.
Gene expressions make an individual s personality. So, mostly, an individual s personality is due to his surroundings. His childhood, friends, experiences, etc. all contribute to his personality. It s the same thing for mental strength. Your life experience determine your mental strength. It can be modified.
ballin33
03-12-2014, 02:00 AM
It s not really genes that make an individual, it s gene expressions that make him. Some of the genes are deactivated in some situations and they get activated in other situations. Gene expressions are highly affected by the environment in which the individual lives.
So, mostly, an individual s personality is due to his surroundings. His childhood, friends, experiences, etc. all contribute to his personality. It s the same thing for mental strength. Your life experience determine your mental strength. It can be modified.
exactly
oarabbus
03-12-2014, 02:03 AM
When you go through tough experiences and ****ed up sh1t in your life, there are two ways you can respond.
You can be weak, dwell on self-pity, give up and do nothing to better yourself.
Or you can increase your mental strength and willpower, do something about it, and become a better person overall who's more tough and mentally strong.
retaxis
03-12-2014, 06:18 AM
Nature vs Nurture debate
50% of both
However individuals are different. Some Children grow up amongst war and seeing their parents r4ped and killed infront of them and become productive caring members of societies. Others do not..
BoutPractice
03-12-2014, 06:37 AM
If it is, it's also more than that so it doesn't really matter.
BlackWhiteGreen
03-12-2014, 07:18 AM
Mostly genetic. It's a fact that different people have different chemical reactions to different stimulus such as pressure or fear.
A very simplified way to put it would be the fight or flight instinct in all animals. Given identical circumstances, 2 of the same species presented with a tense situation, 1 might retreat (flight) and 1 might dive into it (fight).
You can gain confidence and be somewhat shaped by certain circumstances, but if it is your nature to have the flight instinct, it will always be your nature forever.
That doesn't prove it either way, because those two animals could be both different in genes and different in experiences.
Either way, it's near impossible to test this without taking identical twins from birth
I'd say that it is mostly learned. A great deal of that comes from your upbringing and childhood, however, it is something that is fluid and shifts throughout your life and situation to situation.
Bandito
03-12-2014, 08:02 AM
no.
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