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jongib369
03-12-2014, 11:15 PM
Do they make the finals? Can the Heat handle a legit center?

Does LeBron join the Bulls?

navy
03-12-2014, 11:17 PM
Who knows. Wilt stans always talk about how his team mates were the reason he couldnt win shit. That wouldnt change on the bulls.

Deuce Bigalow
03-12-2014, 11:17 PM
No

aj1987
03-12-2014, 11:18 PM
Wasn't Wil shooting like 45% from the FT like at that age? Hack-a-Wilt.

jongib369
03-12-2014, 11:23 PM
No
How much more would have to be done for them to make it with Wilt?

CelticBaller
03-12-2014, 11:24 PM
11 ppg in the finals

jongib369
03-12-2014, 11:24 PM
Wasn't Wil shooting like 45% from the FT like at that age? Hack-a-Wilt.
Dont lie A Wilt-Jimmer combo is making you shake in your boots

Deuce Bigalow
03-12-2014, 11:25 PM
How much more would have to be done for them to make it with Wilt?
An all-time great level guard like a Kobe or Wade in their prime.

LAZERUSS
03-12-2014, 11:29 PM
AT 28, Chamberlain was traded at mid-season to a Sixer team that had gone 34-46 the year before. He guided them to a 40-40 record, and then a 3-1 first round romp over Oscar's 48-32 Royals. Then he carried that roster to a game seven, one point loss, against a peak Celtics team that had gone a dynasty-best 62-18. In that series, and against Russell at his defensive peak, Wilt averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, and shot .555 from the floor.

Over the course of the next three seasons after that, Chamberlain would lead the Sixers to the best record in the league each season, which included a 68-13 record in 66-67, and a crushing playoff series win against the eight-time defending Celtics, en route to a world title. And in those three seasons, he would win three dominant MVP awards.

aj1987
03-12-2014, 11:32 PM
Dont lie A Wilt-Jimmer combo is making you shake in your boots
Of course it does. Wilt is one of the GOAT big men and Miami has a shitty front line.

jongib369
03-12-2014, 11:34 PM
AT 28, Chamberlain was traded at mid-season to a Sixer team that had gone 34-46 the year before. He guided them to a 40-40 record, and then a 3-1 first round romp over Oscar's 48-32 Royals. Then he carried that roster to a game seven, one point loss, against a peak Celtics team that had gone a dynasty-best 62-18. In that series, and against Russell at his defensive peak, Wilt averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, and shot .555 from the floor.

Over the course of the next three seasons after that, Chamberlain would lead the Sixers to the best record in the league each season, which included a 68-13 record in 66-67, and a crushing playoff series win against the eight-time defending Celtics, en route to a world title. And in those three seasons, he would win three dominant MVP awards.
Do you think that Wilt could put the Bulls over the top? Does he even fit with the team?I know one thing Chris Bosh and Greg Odens knees will have nightmares

LAZERUSS
03-12-2014, 11:38 PM
Do you think that Wilt could put the Bulls over the top? Does he even fit with the team?I know one thing Chris Bosh and Greg Odens knees will have nightmares

I don't know. But I do know that Chamberlain was better at every facet of the game (except FT shooting.) Much better scorer, much better rebounder, much better passer, much better defensively, and a much better shot-blocker.

Wilt in his LAST season, was considerably better than Noah at his peak.

Deuce Bigalow
03-12-2014, 11:47 PM
AT 28, Chamberlain was traded at mid-season to a Sixer team that had gone 34-46 the year before. He guided them to a 40-40 record, and then a 3-1 first round romp over Oscar's 48-32 Royals. Then he carried that roster to a game seven, one point loss, against a peak Celtics team that had gone a dynasty-best 62-18. In that series, and against Russell at his defensive peak, Wilt averaged 30.1 ppg, 31.4 rpg, and shot .555 from the floor.

Over the course of the next three seasons after that, Chamberlain would lead the Sixers to the best record in the league each season, which included a 68-13 record in 66-67, and a crushing playoff series win against the eight-time defending Celtics, en route to a world title. And in those three seasons, he would win three dominant MVP awards.
So he improved a 34 win team to a 40 win team?

Wow such wow

LAZERUSS
03-12-2014, 11:48 PM
So he improved a 34 win team to a 40 win team?

Wow such wow

And then in three straight full seasons....the best record in the league.

jongib369
03-12-2014, 11:51 PM
So he improved a 34 win team to a 40 win team?

Wow such wow
Random but where would you rank Jimmer offensively among guards 6'4 and under today? And your thoughts about him in general...Hes pretty fun to watch even though hes a huge liability on D

Deuce Bigalow
03-12-2014, 11:51 PM
And then in three straight full seasons....the best record in the league.
So three years in a row with the #1 record in the league but only 1 title?

LAZERUSS
03-13-2014, 12:08 AM
So three years in a row with the #1 record in the league but only 1 title?

You already know reasons, so it is a waste of time, but, one more time.

In Philly's 65-66 regular season, the Sixers held a 6-3 record against the Celtics. BTW, despite Philly having a better record, 55-25 to 54-26, the Celtics were clearly the best team in the league. Just look up all the game's missed by their best players that season. And in those nine games, Chamberlain averaged 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, and shot .525 against Russell (and Boston.) In their EDF's, Chamberlain averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, 3.2 apg, and shot .509. However, Boston easily won the series, 4-1. How come? Wilt's TEAMMATES collectively shot .352 from the field in that series.

In the 67-68 playoffs, the Sixer team that had run away with the best record in the league, was not the same team that would face Boston in the EDF's. Before the series even started, Philly had lost HOFer Billy Cunningham. And even without him they still went up 3-1. BUT, Wilt was playing with an assortment of injuries, and was NOTICEABLY limping throughout the series. On top of that, two other key players, Luke Jackson and Wali Jones suffered leg injuries in game five, and were worthless the rest of the series. That the Sixers lost a game seven by four points was remarkable considering all of their injuries. A healthy Sixer squad would have unquestionably duplicated their 4-1 series rout of Boston in the 67 EDF's.

SHAQisGOAT
03-13-2014, 12:16 AM
Only Lebron at his best level could challenge peak Wilt for best in the league. Put a center with a top5 peak on the Bulls and that's what you have, all I can say really.. Back to watching GSW vs LAC now

SHAQisGOAT
03-13-2014, 12:17 AM
So three years in a row with the #1 record in the league but only 1 title?

You go from hating on Wilt to dickriding him then back to hating on him, what's the deal?:lol

Deuce Bigalow
03-13-2014, 12:17 AM
You already know reasons, so it is a waste of time, but, one more time.

In Philly's 65-66 regular season, the Sixers held a 6-3 record against the Celtics. BTW, despite Philly having a better record, 55-25 to 54-26, the Celtics were clearly the best team in the league. Just look up all the game's missed by their best players that season. And in those nine games, Chamberlain averaged 28.3 ppg, 30.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, and shot .525 against Russell (and Boston.) In their EDF's, Chamberlain averaged 28.0 ppg, 30.2 rpg, 3.2 apg, and shot .509. However, Boston easily won the series, 4-1. How come? Wilt's TEAMMATES collectively shot .352 from the field in that series.

In the 67-68 playoffs, the Sixer team that had run away with the best record in the league, was not the same team that would face Boston in the EDF's. Before the series even started, Philly had lost HOFer Billy Cunningham. And even without him they still went up 3-1. BUT, Wilt was playing with an assortment of injuries, and was NOTICEABLY limping throughout the series. On top of that, two other key players, Luke Jackson and Wali Jones suffered leg injuries in game five, and were worthless the rest of the series. That the Sixers lost a game seven by four points was remarkable considering all of their injuries. A healthy Sixer squad would have unquestionably duplicated their 4-1 series rout of Boston in the 67 EDF's.
The highest PER season of alltime was by Wilt in 1962-63. He had a PER of 31.82, his team record? 31-49 and no playoffs. So how am I supposed to take Wilt's stats seriously? They were likely not impactful and were a product of statpadding.

Walking with a limp eh? So he gets a pass even though he shot 10-30 FG and 8-42 FT in Games 6 and 7 conmbined, but the great Jerry West "puked himself" according to you in 1970 Finals Game 7 without you even mentioning the fact that he said he could barely catch a ball because of his injured thumbs.

LAZERUSS
03-13-2014, 12:18 AM
You go from hating on Wilt to dickriding him then back to hating on him, what's the deal?:lol

He is the "Sybil" of ISH...

Deuce Bigalow
03-13-2014, 12:19 AM
You go from hating on Wilt to dickriding him then back to hating on him, what's the deal?:lol
I'm not aware of what you're talking about...

Deuce Bigalow
03-13-2014, 12:23 AM
Averages 50.4 ppg and 27.2 rpg, both records, but doesn't win MVP. Bill Russell does with inferior stats, WAY inferior. Hmmm...

LAZERUSS
03-13-2014, 12:24 AM
The highest PER season of alltime was by Wilt in 1962-63. He had a PER of 31.82, his team record? 31-49 and no playoffs. So how am I supposed to take Wilt's stats seriously? They were likely not impactful and were a product of statpadding.

Walking with a limp eh? So he gets a pass even though he shot 10-30 FG and 8-42 FT in Games 6 and 7 conmbined, but the great Jerry West "puked himself" according to you in 1970 Finals Game 7 without you even mentioning the fact that he said he could barely catch a ball because of his injured thumbs.

Of course, Chamberlain led the league in scoring, rebounding, FG%, and a total of 13 categories in his 65-66 season, and in which he led the Sixers to the best record in the league. I guess he wasn't "stats-padding" that season.

Oh, and in game five of the '68 EDF's, and with a chance to put closeout the series, a one-legged Wilt outscored Russell, 28-8, outrebounded Russell, 30-24, and outshot Russell from the field, 11-21 to 4-10, but alas, in a loss. But, yep, that was Wilt "the choker."

As for West...why didn't you mention the fact that Wilt was PLAYING in that series, only FOUR MONTHS after MAJOR KNEE SURGERY...and all he did, on ONE LEG, was put up a 23-24 .625 series. In that game seven, while West couldn't even get the ball past half-court, Wilt put up a 21-24, 10-16 game.

LAZERUSS
03-13-2014, 12:30 AM
Averages 50.4 ppg and 27.2 rpg, both records, but doesn't win MVP. Bill Russell does with inferior stats, WAY inferior. Hmmm...

I agree with you...VERY SUSPICIOUS.

Obviously there was anti-Wilt bias already permeating throughout the NBA.

But, for the sake of argument, in Wilt's rookie season, he carried a team that had gone 34-40 the year before he arrived, to a 49-26 record. In that season, he averaged 37.6 ppg, 27.0 rpg, and shot .461. Russell, playing for the 59-16 Celtics, averaged 18.2 ppg, 24.0 rpg, and shot .467 from the field. But, Wilt ran away with the MVP award.

In that 61-62 season, Chamberlain carried that same basic last-place roster that he inherited in his rookie season, now only older and worse, to a 49-31 record. In that season, he averaged that 50.4 ppg, 25.7 rpg, and shot .506 from the field. Russell, playing with essentially the same roster, only better, led Boston to a 60-20 record. And in the season, he averaged 18.9 ppg, 23.6 rpg, and shot .457 from the field. BUT, now he wins the MVP award.

Now you tell me...just what changed in the voting criteria????

Deuce Bigalow
03-13-2014, 12:33 AM
Of course, Chamberlain led the league in scoring, rebounding, FG%, and a total of 13 categories in his 65-66 season, and in which he led the Sixers to the best record in the league. I guess he wasn't "stats-padding" that season.

Oh, and in game five of the '68 EDF's, and with a chance to put closeout the series, a one-legged Wilt outscored Russell, 28-8, outrebounded Russell, 30-24, and outshot Russell from the field, 11-21 to 4-10, but alas, in a loss. But, yep, that was Wilt "the choker."

As for West...why didn't you mention the fact that Wilt was PLAYING in that series, only FOUR MONTHS after MAJOR KNEE SURGERY...and all he did, on ONE LEG, was put up a 23-24 .625 series. In that game seven, while West couldn't even get the ball past half-court, Wilt put up a 21-24, 10-16 game.
Did he do that in the playoffs? I'm betting no.

You go G5, I got G6 and 7

Wilt had knee surgeries in '69 and '70?

*Wilt shot 14-38 FT the last two games of the '68 EDF not 8-42.

Deuce Bigalow
03-13-2014, 12:36 AM
I agree with you...VERY SUSPICIOUS.

Obviously there was anti-Wilt bias already permeating throughout the NBA.

But, for the sake of argument, in Wilt's rookie season, he carried a team that had gone 34-40 the year before he arrived, to a 49-26 record. In that season, he averaged 37.6 ppg, 27.0 rpg, and shot .461. Russell, playing for the 59-16 Celtics, averaged 18.2 ppg, 24.0 rpg, and shot .467 from the field. But, Wilt ran away with the MVP award.

In that 61-62 season, Chamberlain carried that same basic last-place roster that he inherited in his rookie season, now only older and worse, to a 49-31 record. In that season, he averaged that 50.4 ppg, 25.7 rpg, and shot .506 from the field. Russell, playing with essentially the same roster, only better, led Boston to a 60-20 record. And in the season, he averaged 18.9 ppg, 23.6 rpg, and shot .457 from the field. BUT, now he wins the MVP award.

Now you tell me...just what changed in the voting criteria????
Tells me Wilt's stats are overrated and not as impactful as you're trying to make them be. How else can a player have such an "amazing" year and not win the MVP?

LAZERUSS
03-13-2014, 12:39 AM
Tells me Wilt's stats are overrated and not as impactful as you're trying to make them be. How else can a player have such an "amazing" year and not win the MVP?

Still, you haven't explained the differences (or lack thereof) between Russell and Wilt's 59-60 and 61-62 seasons. What changed in the voting criteria in just two years, in which had even more remarkable numbers in the '62 season, and yet in which he finished second to Russell, unlike his '60 season, in which he easily outvoted Russell?

LAZERUSS
03-13-2014, 12:42 AM
Did he do that in the playoffs? I'm betting no.

You go G5, I got G6 and 7

Wilt had knee surgeries in '69 and '70?

*Wilt shot 14-38 FT the last two games of the '68 EDF not 8-42.

Yeah...let's find flaws in single games of Wilt's post-season series (or even HALVES of those games), and completely ignore Chamberlain's crushing overall dominance in them.

A typical "Wilt-basher."

Deuce Bigalow
03-13-2014, 12:50 AM
Still, you haven't explained the differences (or lack thereof) between Russell and Wilt's 59-60 and 61-62 seasons. What changed in the voting criteria in just two years, in which had even more remarkable numbers in the '62 season, and yet in which he finished second to Russell, unlike his '60 season, in which he easily outvoted Russell?
Statpadding, defense, and impact.

Deuce Bigalow
03-13-2014, 12:53 AM
Yeah...let's find flaws in single games of Wilt's post-season series (or even HALVES of those games), and completely ignore Chamberlain's crushing overall dominance in them.

A typical "Wilt-basher."
Did Wilt also crush Russell as a player in 61-62? Because Russell won the MVP and in their matchups Russell would win the games and championships throughout the '60s.

Deuce Bigalow
03-13-2014, 12:57 AM
His 61-62 team gave up the most points in the league. 59-60 team didn't. That's probably one of the biggest differences.

LoneyROY7
03-13-2014, 02:46 AM
Bran would shut down Wilt on defense.

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