Greatest scoring seasons in history..

[BlazerRed]

http://i.imgur.com/xycd3UR.png

If Durant continues this level for the rest of the season :eek: :eek: :eek:

[no pun intended]

I would like to note that '83 Dantley missed 60 games that season.

[BlazerRed]

I would like to note that '83 Dantley missed 60 games that season.
Yeah, true.

[aj1987]

31.4 PPG on 49% TS. :oldlol:

Why do people consider this dude a great scorer?

Missing is Wade's 30 PPG season (58% TS).

[BlazerRed]

31.4 PPG on 49% TS. :oldlol:

Why do people consider this dude a great scorer?

Missing is Wade's 30 PPG season (58% TS).
What are you talking about?

[aj1987]

What are you talking about?
AI, dude. 31.4 PPG on 49% TS. He's not even close to being a "great" scorer.

[kshutts1]

I love how the graph had to be larger, just like the painted area, solely because of Wilt.

[Trollsmasher]

This is before or after FT subtraction?

[dunksby]

AI, dude. 31.4 PPG on 49% TS. He's not even close to being a "great" scorer.
He is, dude had to practically score all his team's points, there was no real scoring threat on his team so he had to do it all.

[STATUTORY]

who would thunk it, TS% correlates negatively with scoring

and the trendline is pulled down by players who played before proliferation of the 3 point shot

[swagga]

I love how the graph had to be larger, just like the painted area, solely because of Wilt.

pace

[kshutts1]

pace
I ALWAYS forget about "pace" and "5'10 white guys"

Silly me. :banghead:

Just so used to all the talent and defense today.

[RoseCity07]

Now do a graph of PPG vs Number of Mountain Lions Killed with Bare Hands.

[BlazerRed]

who would thunk it, TS% correlates negatively with scoring

and the trendline is pulled down by players who played before proliferation of the 3 point shot
Who cares about dem old nikkas? :confusedshrug:

[kshutts1]

Now do a graph of PPG vs Number of Mountain Lions Killed with Bare Hands.
But don't forget to factor in "scarcity of mountain lions".

It has tailed off in recent years; Wilt had a distinct advantage in that, too.

[BlazerRed]

But don't forget to factor in "scarcity of mountain lions".

It has tailed off in recent years; Wilt had a distinct advantage in that, too.
We are in a weak era for mountain lions..

[dunksby]

But don't forget to factor in "scarcity of mountain lions".

It has tailed off in recent years; Wilt had a distinct advantage in that, too.
And BBC loving women, 20K is no small number!

[SHAQisGOAT]

Yea, let's use TS% for players who didn't have a 3pt line :rolleyes: Or even for those who weren't shooting as many 3's because the line had just been introduced :rolleyes:

And after the early 60's, nobody was getting like even close to 30 shots per game.

Plus the fact that stars today get more bullshit calls.

....

Can't do comparisons like these, period. :facepalm

[HoopsFanNumero1]

OP needs to stop stealing other people's work from reddit. Or at least give proper credit where it's due.

[Overdrive]

Graph's stupid. If you inverse the axis Wilt is on top at the left and everything after it falls down. This just doesn't work properly to provide quality information.

[tpols]

damn.. adrian dantley GOAT scorer

[Kblaze8855]

31.4 PPG on 49% TS.

Why do people consider this dude a great scorer?

Watching him play basketball and tens of thousands of others who cant do what he did.....thats why.

[pauk]

What makes KD's high scoring amazing to me is that he is doing it as a pure shooter (meaning a 50-40-90 guy)... before that the highest PPG from a 50-40-90 guy was Larry Bird (30 ppg)....

[Deuce Bigalow]

That chart is missing a lot of seasons

'81 Dantley: 30.7 ppg / .622 TS% (Scoring title)
'82 Dantley: 30.3 ppg / .631 TS%
'84 Dantley: 30.6 ppg / .652 TS% (Scoring title)

[MaxFly]

I would like to note that '83 Dantley missed 60 games that season.

Indeed

[MaxFly]

Yea, let's use TS% for players who didn't have a 3pt line :rolleyes: Or even for those who weren't shooting as many 3's because the line had just been introduced :rolleyes:

And after the early 60's, nobody was getting like even close to 30 shots per game.

Plus the fact that stars today get more bullshit calls.

....

Can't do comparisons like these, period. :facepalm


It is hard to normalize stats given a number of factors across decades.

[bballnoob1192]

I would like to note that '83 Dantley missed 60 games that season.
wtf get his ass off the charts then lmfao :facepalm

[russwest0]

Durant is having arguably the best scoring season ever.

Probably wouldn't be renowned as such unless he finished with 50/40/90 though.

[CavaliersFTW]

TS% is flawed when evaluating any player in the 2 to make 3 and 3 to make 2 era, it overly penalizes players with low free throw percentage as it does not factor in the fact that players were actually getting more opportunities to score at the line if they missed their first or 2nd attempts. A player like Wilt for example, was almost always going to make points at the line if he was sent there, even if he only shot a low FT%... because he always had an extra chance to make the shot. It inflates his total number of free throws taken, but makes it appear as if he wasn't scoring often every time he was sent to the line but that isn't true at all. This alone is a huge flaw in comparing TS% and there are other equally huge problems with it like not having 3 point shots prior to it's inception in the NBA.... TS% is a MODERN stat, it simply does not apply to past players.

[BlazerRed]

OP needs to stop stealing other people's work from reddit. Or at least give proper credit where it's due.
Don't take your anger at the data out on me :no:

[aj1987]

Watching him play basketball and tens of thousands of others who cant do what he did.....thats why.
Jerry Stackhouse had a season, during which he chucked like crazy. Dude averaged 30 points on better efficiency than AI. Are we gonna call him a great scorer? Iverson was scoring 31 PPG on 28 shots and 9 FT's a game. Heck, there are too many players to count, who could do it if given the chance.



TS% is flawed when evaluating any player in the 2 to make 3 and 3 to make 2 era, it overly penalizes players with low free throw percentage as it does not factor in the fact that players were actually getting more opportunities to score at the line if they missed their first or 2nd attempts. A player like Wilt for example, was almost always going to make points at the line if he was sent there, even if he only shot a low FT%... because he always had an extra chance to make the shot. It inflates his total number of free throws taken, but makes it appear as if he wasn't scoring often every time he was sent to the line but that isn't true at all. This alone is a huge flaw in comparing TS% and there are other equally huge problems with it like not having 3 point shots prior to it's inception in the NBA.... TS% is a MODERN stat, it simply does not apply to past players.
So, if Wilt made the first two FT's, would the 3rd attempt still be counted, even if does actually attempt it?

[LAZERUSS]

One of the flaws in this is the fact that it does not take era eFG% and TS% into account.

In any of these cross-era comparisons, the players of the 60's always get downgraded because of "pace", but virtually no one ever addresses the issue of league averages in eFG% and TS%.

And CavsFTW already mentioned the different FT rules that existed at the time, as well. The poorer FT shooters, who went to the line frequently, are punished much more , despite the fact that a player going 2-3 from the line back then, was the equivalent of shooting 2-2. They did account for all FTAs back then, but again, shooting 2-3 was exactly the same as 2-2. Incidently, after the sixth team foul, a player getting an "and-one" on a scored basket, would get a second FTA if he missed the first. Clearly, Wilt's TS%'s were considerably higher than his actual TS%'s. Fpliii has already covered it in another topic, but you can safely add another 1-2%, or more to his seasonal TS%'s.

And just using eFG% as an example, Wilt's .540 in his 65-66 season (33.5 ppg), came in an NBA that had an eFG% of .433. Adjusting his eFG% to the current NBA mark of .499 would translate to a .622 eFG% in today's NBA. His .683 mark in an NBA that shot .441 (66-67... and 24.1 ppg), would translate to a staggering .772 in the current NBA.

[Number24]

I'll sick with the mountain lions argument. It makes sense!

[dunksby]

One of the flaws in this is the fact that it does not take era eFG% and TS% into account.

In any of these cross-era comparisons, the players of the 60's always get downgraded because of "pace", but virtually no one ever addresses the issue of league averages in eFG% and TS%.

And CavsFTW already mentioned the different FT rules that existed at the time, as well. The poorer FT shooters, who went to the line frequently, are punished much more , despite the fact that a player going 2-3 from the line back then, was the equivalent of shooting 2-2. They did account for all FTAs back then, but again, shooting 2-3 was exactly the same as 2-2. Incidently, after the sixth team foul, a player getting an "and-one" on a scored basket, would get a second FTA if he missed the first. Clearly, Wilt's TS%'s were considerably higher than his actual TS%'s. Fpliii has already covered it in another topic, but you can safely add another 1-2%, or more to his seasonal TS%'s.

And just using eFG% as an example, Wilt's .540 in his 65-66 season (33.5 ppg), came in an NBA that had an eFG% of .433. Adjusting his eFG% to the current NBA mark of .499 would translate to a .622 eFG% in today's NBA. His .683 mark in an NBA that shot .441 (66-67... and 24.1 ppg), would translate to a staggering .772 in the current NBA.
Wilt averaged 50PPG for a whole season, no matter how you look at it, it's godly, stop being a sensitive old ass every time Wilt is mentioned anywhere.

[Kblaze8855]

Jerry Stackhouse had a season, during which he chucked like crazy. Dude averaged 30 points on better efficiency than AI. Are we gonna call him a great scorer? Iverson was scoring 31 PPG on 28 shots and 9 FT's a game.

And every single person watching them do it ranked AI as elite and Stackhouse as a guy shooting a lot who isnt that good. What do you think fooled all these millions of people?

Besides he also had seasons doing 33 a game on 45% shooting. And he wasnt as good as he was when he was scoring less on worse shooting...



Heck, there are too many players to count, who could do it if given the chance.

I suppose that forces one to ask....if there are too many players to count who could be Allen Iverson given the chance why didnt struggling teams simply...have someone become Allen Iverson? If its as simple as taking shots why doesnt everyone have a first ballof HOF player who puts up 27 or so a game for 10+ years?

You think these teams struggled to find scoring and marketable stars because they didnt notice they could just manufacture another Iverson by allowing some decent scorer to shoot a lot?

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

You think these teams struggled to find scoring and marketable stars because they didnt notice they could just manufacture another Iverson by allowing some decent scorer to shoot a lot?

Because most GMs and coaches wanted to win. Having your best player be horribly inefficient and keep on chucking is not a recipe for success.

[BoutPractice]

72 Kareem and 88 Jordan are in an incredible sweet spot here: 35 ppg on over 60 TS% :eek:

[havoc33]

And every single person watching them do it ranked AI as elite and Stackhouse as a guy shooting a lot who isnt that good. What do you think fooled all these millions of people?

Besides he also had seasons doing 33 a game on 45% shooting. And he wasnt as good as he was when he was scoring less on worse shooting...




I suppose that forces one to ask....if there are too many players to count who could be Allen Iverson given the chance why didnt struggling teams simply...have someone become Allen Iverson? If its as simple as taking shots why doesnt everyone have a first ballof HOF player who puts up 27 or so a game for 10+ years?

You think these teams struggled to find scoring and marketable stars because they didnt notice they could just manufacture another Iverson by allowing some decent scorer to shoot a lot?

Thank you. The ignorance of some people here. People act like it's EASY to score 25-27 over a whole career, and will totally disregard the player if the fg% isn't good enough. If it was so damn easy scoring the ball like that, why don't we have more people doing it? Surely there should be hundreds of these ineffective AI's and Kobe's out there shattering all sorts of scoring records, no? Well it ain't happening cause it's bloody hard, that's why. There's a reason why KD, as great and effective a scorer he is, still hasn't been able to pull off the type of scoring streaks that Kobe did in his prime. It takes a hell of a lot of hard work, dedication, skill and perseverance to do so. People need to realise that probably 99% of the players in the NBA today would KILL to have the career of Allen Iverson, yet they have no where the talent or consistency to pull it off.

[Kblaze8855]

Because most GMs and coaches wanted to win. Having your best player be horribly inefficient and keep on chucking is not a recipe for success.

AI was as much as a huge percentage of the hall of fame and more than a great many. And he did it with less help than almost all of them.

If some team could just tell Ben Gordon or John Starks to be Allen Iverson...the league would always have 6 of them.

[ArbitraryWater]

AI was as much as a huge percentage of the hall of fame and more than a great many. And he did it with less help than almost all of them.

If some team could just tell Ben Gordon or John Starks to be Allen Iverson...the league would always have 6 of them.

Iverson wasn't a great scorer. Thats a damn fact. I dont know why you always feel the need to defend EVERYBODY...

[Kblaze8855]

Because 90% of the complaints about players on that level are ****ing idiotic.

The idea that anyone could score 30+ppg in the NBA many times, have a 33ppg season, be a top 5 or so all time scorer by PPG, have over 24 thousand points despite having only 5-6 full healthy seasons, and have several different seasons where he scores 34-35ppg for half the year....and not be a great scorer?

Its ****ing idiotic.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Durant is having arguably the best scoring season ever.

Probably wouldn't be renowned as such unless he finished with 50/40/90 though.
Hes not getting 90 ive accepted it
He will be right at 90% if he makes his next 200 free throws straight:lol :lol :lol that not happening:lol

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

The idea that anyone could score 30+ppg in the NBA many times, have a 33ppg season, be a top 5 or so all time scorer by PPG, have over 24 thousand points despite having only 5-6 full healthy seasons, and have several different seasons where he scores 34-35ppg for half the year....and not be a great scorer?

Its ****ing idiotic.

Anyone? No.

But most of the already all -stars? Sure.

Melo last year and this year is a perfect example. They aren't winning sh*t. And Melo has the green light to chuck at will. And he PPG shows it.

Many all-star type players can score 30+ on inefficient shooting. The problem is that not many all stars have the backing from the GM and coach to just "chuck at will" that AI had for all of his career. Because those GMs and coaches want to win ball games. And having a guy shoot 30+ times a night on horrible percentages doesn't win ballgames.

(Btw, Pistol Pete did the same thing in college that AI did in the pros. Chucked at will. And I've seen you repeatedly downplay Pete's "scoring.")

[The-Legend-24]

Kobe in 06 is the greatest regular season by a player, ever.

[Jacks3]

Thank you. The ignorance of some people here. People act like it's EASY to score 25-27 over a whole career, and will totally disregard the player if the fg% isn't good enough. If it was so damn easy scoring the ball like that, why don't we have more people doing it? Surely there should be hundreds of these ineffective AI's and Kobe's out there shattering all sorts of scoring records, no? Well it ain't happening cause it's bloody hard, that's why. There's a reason why KD, as great and effective a scorer he is, still hasn't been able to pull off the type of scoring streaks that Kobe did in his prime. It takes a hell of a lot of hard work, dedication, skill and perseverance to do so. People need to realise that probably 99% of the players in the NBA today would KILL to have the career of Allen Iverson, yet they have no where the talent or consistency to pull it off.
Don't put Bryant in the same sentence as Iverson. He actually has very good efficiency.

[La Frescobaldi]

Truly shows how Chamberlain was so far ahead of everyone else who ever played. Nobody can even see his tail lights on that chart

[Jailblazers7]

Iverson wasn't a great scorer. Thats a damn fact. I dont know why you always feel the need to defend EVERYBODY...

Either you're a troll or a ****ing retard.

[LAZERUSS]

Dantley's scoring was truly remarkable. He was 6-5, 210 lbs, and his maximum range was probably not much more than 15-18 ft. Here was a 6-5 guy, not known for amazing athleticism, dominating from the post, and in leagues filled with seven-footers.

I have mentioned McAdoo's run before. He was running away with scoring titles from 73-74 thru 75-76. In his 74-75 season, he had a four ppg differential over Rick Barry (34.5 ppg to 30.6 ppg), despite Barry taking 27.7 FGAs to his 26.1 FGAs per game. He was an excellent FT shooter (.805 in 74-75), and had 20+ ft range. BTW, he also averaged 37.4 ppg in that 74-75 post-season, and against a 60-22 Bullets team that was the best defensive team in the league. And before someone brings up "pace", McAdoo's 34.5 ppg season, on .512 shooting from the field, came in an NBA that averaged 102.6 ppg on a .457 eFG%. And one final point...McAdoo was routinely outscoring KAJ in their H2H's, and in fact, poured in 45 points against him in one H2H meeting.

And speaking of Kareem, at his peak, in 70-71 and 71-72, he averaged 31.7 ppg on a .606 TS%, and 34.8 ppg on a .603 TS%. And his 70-71 season was probably the more dominant of the two. In 70-71 he averaged 40.1 ppg, while in his 71-72 season, he averaged 44.2 mpg. And in his 70-71 season, he outshot the league eFG% by a personal career high margin of .128 (.577 to .449.)


And once again, I have read those here who have disparaged Wilt's higher scoring seasons because of a perceived "inefficiency." Think about this, Wilt was putting up seasons of 50.4 ppg on a .506 eFG% in an NBA that shot an eFG% of .426; or 44.8 ppg on a .528, in an NBA that shot .441; or 33.5 ppg on a .540 eFG% in a league that shot .433; and then mind-boggling 24.1 ppg on a .683 eFG% in a league that shot an eFG% of .441.

Just using Wilt's 44.8 ppg season, on a .528 eFG%, in a league that shot an eFG% of .441, as an example...compare that with Hakeem's highest scoring season, 94-95, 27.8 ppg on a .517 eFG%, in an NBA that shot an eFG% of ...get this... .500! Or how about David Robinson's highest scoring season, 93-94, of 29.8 ppg, on a .507 eFG%, in an NBA that shot an eFG% of .485.

[LAZERUSS]

BTW, in Wilt's 61-62 season, he averaged 39.7 ppg against Russell in 10 H2H's, and 52.7 ppg in ten H2H's against Bellamy.

In his 62-63 season, he averaged 38.1 ppg in nine H2H's with Russell, and 43.7 ppg in ten H2H's with Bellamy.

[chazzy]

And once again, I have read those here who have disparaged Wilt's higher scoring seasons because of a perceived "inefficiency." Think about this, Wilt was putting up seasons of 50.4 ppg on a .506 eFG% in an NBA that shot an eFG% of .426; or 44.8 ppg on a .528, in an NBA that shot .441; or 33.5 ppg on a .540 eFG% in a league that shot .433; and then mind-boggling 24.1 ppg on a .683 eFG% in a league that shot an eFG% of .441.

Just using Wilt's 44.8 ppg season, on a .528 eFG%, in a league that shot an eFG% of .441, as an example...compare that with Hakeem's highest scoring season, 94-95, 27.8 ppg on a .517 eFG%, in an NBA that shot an eFG% of ...get this... .500! Or how about David Robinson's highest scoring season, 93-94, of 29.8 ppg, on a .507 eFG%, in an NBA that shot an eFG% of .485.
You would have to factor in FT shooting as well

[ArbitraryWater]

Either you're a troll or a ****ing retard.

I don't consider playoff 40% scorers to be great.. dont know about you though

[LAZERUSS]

You would have to factor in FT shooting as well

In Wilt's two highest scoring seasons he shot .613 and .593 from the line, which was certainly not good, but they were deceptive. First of all, even the other GOAT centers seldom shot the league average in FT%. Most of them were, at best, around the 70-75% mark, and often below 70%. Secondly, Chamberlain POUNDED teams from the FT line. KAJ, at his peak, was taking 9 FTAs per game. Hakeem, at his peak, was at 8 FTAs. A peak Chamberlain was taking 12-17 FTAs per game, and making as many as a peak KAJ and Hakeem were in their peak seasons (in fact, Wilt was making more.) And finally, Wilt played in a different era of FT shooting, in which there were 3-to-make-2's, and even 2-to-make-1's. His FT%'s were considerably higher than his actual FT%, simply because if he went 2-3 from the line, it was essentially the same as going 2-2. And considering that he took a ton of FTAs, his IMPACT from the line was considerably higher than his actual FT%.

I have said it before, and Fpliii's research has validated it...but Wilt's overall TS%'s were at the very least, 1-2% higher, and likely more, than the actual TS%'s.

And again, you HAVE to account for league average in both eFG% and TS%. Wilt, despite his poor FT shooting, was just blowing away the league averages in both. And the reality was, his TS%'s were considerably higher than his actual TS%'s.

[PsychoBe]

I don't consider playoff 40% scorers to be great.. dont know about you though

he is second behind mj in all-time playoff scoring so you're only making yourself look foolish right now.

[aj1987]

he is second behind mj in all-time playoff scoring so you're only making yourself look foolish right now.
30 points on 26 shots and 9 FT's. 49% TS. Yep. One of the greatest scorers of all time. :facepalm