Patrick Beverley is NOT a good defender

[Marlo_Stanfield]

okay guys there has been much talk about Patrick Beverley lately if hes a dirty player or not.
while i think he has those tendencies we might have to watch him for a longer sample size to decide.
what is 100% clear to me is that he isnt even average on defense.
sure he gambles for steals and especially early in games he gets quite a few. but thats it.
all he does outside of this is handcheck all game, has the second most fouls per 36 minutes of all guards and still cant defend good PGs in any way.
he gets picked easily, gets burned hard by fast PGs and has a very bad defensive IQ. he fouled 3 pt shooters OFTEN this season and often late in games too.
hes a terrible team defender and at most average on 1 on 1 defense. the stats prove this as opposing PGs, even average ones, often go off on him.
he for example has a WAY worse defensive rating than his back up Lin too.
so why do you guys think hes starting on Houston??
hes worthless on offense and at best an average defender.:biggums: :wtf: :coleman:

[Euroleague]

1. He's the dirtiest punk player in the NBA.

2. He is not a good defender.

3. NBA fans are complete morons.

That about sums it all up.

[Clyde]

Beverley is all hustle and effort...which equates to good on the ball defense.

[Clyde]

1. He's the dirtiest punk player in the NBA.

2. He is not a good defender.

3. NBA fans are complete morons.

That about sums it all up.

What was he like in the Euro league?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Beverley is all hustle and effort...which equates to good on the ball defense.
it actually doesnt because he gets lit up even by average PGs on a regular basis.
this while fouling the ntire time with excessive handchecking.
Jeremy Lin showed he can completely shut down opposing PGs this season, did it even in multiple consecutive games.
Beverley starting is pure hate by coach McFail and his desire to prove he was right to cut Jeremy before Linsanity:facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

What was he like in the Euro league?
If i remember he only played in Eurocup which is at best D-League level

[Clyde]

it actually doesnt because he gets lit up even by average PGs on a regular basis.
this while fouling the ntire time with excessive handchecking.
Jeremy Lin showed he can completely shut down opposing PGs this season, did it even in multiple consecutive games.
Beverley starting is pure hate by coach McFail and his desire to prove he was right to cut Jeremy before Linsanity:facepalm

huh?

Jeremy is obviously bigger, but he's not shutting down anyone.

I also see you have Lin as a top 5 point guard, so I'm just going to put you ignore because you're here to troll people.

[Euroleague]

Beverley is all hustle and effort...which equates to good on the ball defense.

He's barely average at best in on ball defense. Anyone saying otherwise has never seen him play a game.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

huh?

Jeremy is obviously bigger, but he's not shutting down anyone.

I also see you have Lin as a top 5 point guard, so I'm just going to put you ignore because you're here to troll people.
Lin held PArker to 6 points on 12 % earlier this season while having an efficent offensive game himself, then held Thomas to 5/17 and Wall to 6/19 in CONSECUTIVE games when Scruberley was injured.
and that is only an example, he did that multiple times this season.
last game vs Thunder WEstbrook was 0-5 on Lin while he was 6-9 on beverley

[Clyde]

He's barely average at best in on ball defense. Anyone saying otherwise has never seen him play a game.


I've seen him play 3 times this week.

Can't knock his hustle or effort.

[Euroleague]

What was he like in the Euro league?

As I already told you, he was the third string point guard on Olympiacos.


Here is his Euroleague profile:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=001927&seasoncode=E2009

He was supposed to be a "defensive specialist" with Olympiacos, because he could not really shoot, or score, and he was supposed to be a "hustle and energy role player" that would rebound, and "get under the skin of the opponent"....in other words be the dirtiest player in Euroleague.

He had I believe a 3 year contract, but he only last 1 year, because he actually was not a good defender, as he could not keep any fast point guards in front of him. All he actually could do was be the dirtiest player in Euroleague and seemingly try to injure opposing players just about every time he got in a game.

He was advertised as a "defender" to Olympiacos by Pat Riley, and as Giannakis, the Olympiacos coach said, they did not keep him because he actually did not shut down down anyone at any time that he was asked to at any important game or moment.

Just as an example, Spanoulis completely destroyed him in the Greek League playoffs.

He's a 3rd string point guard. That's about his true level. That's what he really is. Daryl Morey is just a moron.

Jeremy Lin is a much better player than him.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I've seen him play 3 times this week.

Can't knock his hustle or effort.
god absolutely devastated the last two games on defense while provoding nothing on offense.
dat hustle doe

[Euroleague]

it actually doesnt because he gets lit up even by average PGs on a regular basis.
this while fouling the ntire time with excessive handchecking.
Jeremy Lin showed he can completely shut down opposing PGs this season, did it even in multiple consecutive games.
Beverley starting is pure hate by coach McFail and his desire to prove he was right to cut Jeremy before Linsanity:facepalm

It's not McHale. It's Morey and his "genius" stats. His "genius" stats and calculations decide everything on that team. Including the playing time and rotations.

[chosen_one6]

Beverley actually isn't that bad on defense. Jeremy Lin is a good defense PG?

http://i.imgur.com/dsV3gZw.gif

[Marlo_Stanfield]

As I already told you, he was the third string point guard on Olympiacos.


Here is his Euroleague profile:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=001927&seasoncode=E2009

He was supposed to be a "defensive specialist" with Olympiacos, because he could not really shoot, or score, and he was supposed to be a "hustle and energy role player" that would rebound, and "get under the skin of the opponent"....in other words be the dirtiest player in Euroleague.

He had I believe a 3 year contract, but he only last 1 year, because he actually was not a good defender, as he could not keep any fast point guards in front of him. All he actually could do was be the dirtiest player in Euroleague and try to injure opposing players just about every time he got in a game.

That's about his true level. He's a 3rd string point guard. That's what he really is. Daryl Morey is just a moron.

Jeremy Lin is a much better player than him.
damn Euroleague dropping truthbombs as always.
totally nailed it:cheers: :cheers:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Beverley actually isn't that bad on defense. Jeremy Lin is a good defense PG?

http://i.imgur.com/dsV3gZw.gif
i know its funny especially for black people to hate on Lin since hes asian, but yes, he is. he is EASILY top 3 in the NBA on defense at the PG position.
regulary shuts elite PGs down and plays INCREDIBLE team defense.
problem is overhelping sometimes and getting screened easily

[Clyde]

As I already told you, he was the third string point guard on Olympiacos.


Here is his Euroleague profile:

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=001927&seasoncode=E2009

He was supposed to be a "defensive specialist" with Olympiacos, because he could not really shoot, or score, and he was supposed to be a "hustle and energy role player" that would rebound, and "get under the skin of the opponent"....in other words be the dirtiest player in Euroleague.

He had I believe a 3 year contract, but he only last 1 year, because he actually was not a good defender, as he could not keep any fast point guards in front of him. All he actually could do was be the dirtiest player in Euroleague and try to injure opposing players just about every time he got in a game.

That's about his true level. He's a 3rd string point guard. That's what he really is. Daryl Morey is just a moron.

Jeremy Lin is a much better player than him.

No doubt Jeremy is the better player. I think he doesn't start on offense, as is needed off the bench to help the second unit. Not starting has nothing to do with a lack of ability or respect from his coach.

Unfortunately there is a need for these Beverley type players....usually they are just bigger and don't play the guard spot. (hard nose enforcer type players)

I dont like the guy. But i respect the effort he's putting on the floor to try and help his team win.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

It's not McHale. It's Morey and his "genius" stats. His "genius" stats and calculations decide everything on that team. Including the playing time and rotations.
yeah Morey that fat turd probably never played basketball in his life.
this idiot thinks you can win a championship by only shooting at the basket or from 3.
Rockets are lowest team in midrange attempts and the second lowest, the 76ers have more than twice as many attempts:biggums:

[wally_world]

He's an above average defender from the games i watched, but i think his defense reputation is inflated because of his hustle

[Euroleague]

I've seen him play 3 times this week.

Can't knock his hustle or effort.

Hustle and effort does not make you a good defender. It just makes you a guy that is hustling and giving a good effort.

For some reason, NBA fans can't seem to differentiate between the two. I would guess the reason is probably because in 90% of NBA games no one is ever hustling or giving any effort, or even trying to play defense at all.

So the complete shock of seeing one player actually try to play defense is an anomaly.

It still does not mean you are actually good at it though. NBA fans clearly can't grasp the difference.

Beverley can't really guard anyone to be honest. All he does is go out there and try to thug on everyone.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

No doubt Jeremy is the better player. I think he doesn't start as offense is needed off the bench. Not starting has nothing to do with a precieved lack of ability.

Unfortunately there is a need for these Beverley type players....usually they are just bigger and don't play the guard spot. (hard nose enforcer type players)

I dont like the guy. But i respect the effort he's putting on the floor to try and help his team win.
Beverley is starting because Harden demanded it for him to dominate the ball even more.
they also want to make Parsons a playmaker which is simply retarded because he sucks at it while being a great off ball player.
McHale ALLWAYS hated lin he called him a selfish player after him and harden singlehandedly OWNED the Thunder last regular season and lin led the comeback and had the gamewinner.
he wants to prove he was right that Lin is a scrub and he cut him before Linsanity.
Morey the idiotic stat nerd doesnt help either

[scm5]

Beverley actually isn't that bad on defense. Jeremy Lin is a good defense PG?

http://i.imgur.com/dsV3gZw.gif

Yes, hard to believe, but Lin is actually a good defender.

Beverley is mostly just hustle, he has bad defensive instincts but puts in a lot of effort.

[Clyde]

Hustle and effort does not make you a good defender. It just makes you a guy that is hustling and giving a good effort.

For some reason, NBA fans can't seem to differentiate between the two. I would guess the reason is probably because in 90% of NBA games no one is every hustling or giving any effort, or even trying to play defense at all.

So the complete shock of seeing one player actually try to play defense is an anomaly.

It still does not mean you are actually good at it though. NBA fans clearly can't grasp the difference.

Beverley can't really guard anyone to be honest. All he does is go out there and try to thug on everyone.


Do you watch college basketball? Totally different then the NBA game, I actually prefer it more at times.

I live in Canada so I get to see a few Euro league games a week as they are televised here. I dont mid it, but it lacks the same presentation as the NBA broadcast (obviously due to money).

Still it's good basketball at times.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Yes, hard to believe, but Lin is actually a good defender.

Beverley is mostly just hustle, he has bad defensive instincts but puts in a lot of effort.
:applause: :applause:
when they see a 6

[Euroleague]

If i remember he only played in Eurocup which is at best D-League level

He played in Euroleague with Olympiacos as their 3rd string point guard. He didn't cut it in Euroleague, so he dropped down to the Eurocup level and stayed there with Spartak for awhile.

That's where Morey the "genius" "discovered him out of nowhere".......

[Euroleague]

No doubt Jeremy is the better player. I think he doesn't start on offense, as is needed off the bench to help the second unit. Not starting has nothing to do with a lack of ability or respect from his coach.

Unfortunately there is a need for these Beverley type players....usually they are just bigger and don't play the guard spot. (hard nose enforcer type players)

I dont like the guy. But i respect the effort he's putting on the floor to try and help his team win.

Well I don't think punks like him should be in the league. George Karl said something to the effect of, "there are just some kinds of guys that we should not have in the league."

He's one of those kinds of guys.

Morey and Rockets fans are glorifying this kind of guy. He's going to seriously injure someone. He's nothing more than a 3rd string level player that is getting playing time because he goes out there with the intent of trying to disrupt the other team and making plays that can injure other players.

And the coach, GM and fans of the Rockets are approving and even seem to be egging him on.

And clearly this is the reason Morey signed him in the first place, as there were dozens of better point guards than him in Europe. But he was known as the dirtiest player in Europe....no real point guard skills even....but will go out there and try to punk someone...


That was clearly why Morey even signed him in the first place and insisted McHale play the guy, even though he can't even pass the ball.

That kind of stuff should not be allowed in the league.

[chosen_one6]

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]:applause: :applause:
when they see a 6

[Euroleague]

Beverley is starting because Harden demanded it for him to dominate the ball even more.
they also want to make Parsons a playmaker which is simply retarded because he sucks at it while being a great off ball player.
McHale ALLWAYS hated lin he called him a selfish player after him and harden singlehandedly OWNED the Thunder last regular season and lin led the comeback and had the gamewinner.
he wants to prove he was right that Lin is a scrub and he cut him before Linsanity.
Morey the idiotic stat nerd doesnt help either

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Harden is such a freaking baby.....

Can't wait to see that team with him and Howard in the playoffs...

:rolleyes:

[Euroleague]

Do you watch college basketball? Totally different then the NBA game, I actually prefer it more at times.

I live in Canada so I get to see a few Euro league games a week as they are televised here. I dont mid it, but it lacks the same presentation as the NBA broadcast (obviously due to money).

Still it's good basketball at times.

Yeah I watch NCAA. I like the big conference tournaments and NCAA tournament.

[KungFuJoe]

Beverley is a GOOD defender. He's just not this elite defender that everyone thinks he is.

I LIKE Beverley...he's a great teammate and 150% hustle, all the time. But, like others have mentioned, I think a lot of that jerky movement and poking at the ball...it's for show and I don't know how effective that is.

I know he mind ****ed Lilliard bad and that's where his rep came from, but saying Beverley is an elite defender just because of that is like saying Lin is an elite player just because of Linsanity.

I've watched pretty much every Rockets game of the last two seasons. At most, I would say Beverley is a good defender. He still gets beat off the dribble (Lin is a BETTER on ball defender, even though he doesn't poke the ball as much he stays in front of his man better) a bit much.

It's basically risk/reward. Beverley will get you that one or two extra "pokes" a game..but he's also going to give you 2-3 extra fouls a game, most of the time sending his guy to the line. What's better?

Lin and Beverley are equal, to me, on defense. Lin is better on the ball and blocking shots (opposing PGs rarely try to shoot over him) whereas Beverley is a better help defender and reads passing lanes better.

When both of these guys are on the court at the same time, Houston's perimeter defense really steps up big time. Their weakness out there is still Harden, though he's improved somewhat lately...he's still pretty porous and lazy at times.

[Jailblazers7]

Well I don't think punks like him should be in the league. George Karl said something to the effect of, "there are just some kinds of guys that we should not have in the league."

He's one of those kinds of guys.

Morey and Rockets fans are glorifying this kind of guy. He's going to seriously injure someone. He's nothing more than a 3rd string level player that is getting playing time because he goes out there with the intent of trying to disrupt the other team and trying to injure other players.

And the coach, GM and fans of the Rockets are approving and even seem to be egging him on.

And clearly this is the reason Morey signed him in the first place, as there were dozens of better point guards than him in Europe. But he was known as the dirtiest player in Europe....no real point guard skills even....but will go out there and try to punk someone...


That was clearly why Morey even signed him in the first place and insisted McHale play the guy, even though he can't even pass the ball.

That kind of stuff should not be allowed in the league.

Yeah, I completely agree. I think it is one thing to have toughness and tenacity on the defensive end that changes the culture of the team but Beverly is just flat out dirty. The shit he did to Westbrook last week where he tried to hurt him again when OKC called a timeout was suspension worthy simply because of the audacity of it.

A guy that is only in the league because he plays in a way that increases the chance of others getting injured is not someone I'm interesting in watching. I hope they meet OKC in the playoffs and Westbrook ****ing tortures him.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Yeah, I completely agree. I think it is one thing to have toughness and tenacity on the defensive end that changes the culture of the team but Beverly is just flat out dirty. The shit he did to Westbrook last week where he tried to hurt him again when OKC called a timeout was suspension worthy simply because of the audacity of it.

A guy that is only in the league because he plays in a way that increases the chance of others getting injured is not someone I'm interesting in watching. I hope they meet OKC in the playoffs and Westbrook ****ing tortures him.
and this guy is getting 35 minutes a game.:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[KungFuJoe]

Yeah, I completely agree. I think it is one thing to have toughness and tenacity on the defensive end that changes the culture of the team but Beverly is just flat out dirty. The shit he did to Westbrook last week where he tried to hurt him again when OKC called a timeout was suspension worthy simply because of the audacity of it.

A guy that is only in the league because he plays in a way that increases the chance of others getting injured is not someone I'm interesting in watching. I hope they meet OKC in the playoffs and Westbrook ****ing tortures him.

I don't think Beverley tries to actually hurt anyone and he definitely wasn't trying to hurt Westbrook the other night.

But he WAS trying to get in his head and that timeout play WAS on purpose.

I just don't like players like that. I mean, it's one thing if you're Rodman or Artest and you're producing buckets and/or rebounds, but when you're a thug and your statline ends up being 2pts, 3 rbs, 0 assts...just shut the **** up and play the game. I'm not saying that's Beverley, but if keeps up the shit he pulled against OKC, he WILL become that kind of player.

[KungFuJoe]

and this guy is getting 35 minutes a game.:biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Yeah...ridiculous the amount of burn this guy gets when he produces so little.

Did you read that article on BR where Harden admitted that Beverley's "play" against OKC distracted the team?

Hopefully, that gets back to Beverley, but Beverley claims he doesn't read the news or media...so whatever.

[Jailblazers7]

I don't think Beverley tries to actually hurt anyone and he definitely wasn't trying to hurt Westbrook the other night.

But he WAS trying to get in his head and that timeout play WAS on purpose.

I just don't like players like that. I mean, it's one thing if you're Rodman or Artest and you're producing buckets and/or rebounds, but when you're a thug and your statline ends up being 2pts, 3 rbs, 0 assts...just shut the **** up and play the game. I'm not saying that's Beverley, but if keeps up the shit he pulled against OKC, he WILL become that kind of player.

He might not be trying to hurt people. But he is going to play like an asshole and his attitude is "If he gets hurt then that's even better." If I was a current player, I would give him a Karl Malone elbow like Isiah got.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Yeah...ridiculous the amount of burn this guy gets when he produces so little.

Did you read that article on BR where Harden admitted that Beverley's "play" against OKC distracted the team?

Hopefully, that gets back to Beverley, but Beverley claims he doesn't read the news or media...so whatever.
Im pretty sure Beverley cant even read.
He actually called himself a defensive superstar the other week.
the delusion McFail planted in this idiots head know no limits:roll: :roll:

[Euroleague]

I don't think Beverley tries to actually hurt anyone and he definitely wasn't trying to hurt Westbrook the other night.

But he WAS trying to get in his head and that timeout play WAS on purpose.

I just don't like players like that. I mean, it's one thing if you're Rodman or Artest and you're producing buckets and/or rebounds, but when you're a thug and your statline ends up being 2pts, 3 rbs, 0 assts...just shut the **** up and play the game. I'm not saying that's Beverley, but if keeps up the shit he pulled against OKC, he WILL become that kind of player.

He was somehow always just nearly injuring or almost injuring guys all the time in Europe on these "accident" plays and the SAME thing ever since he came to the NBA.

How many freaking times does this have to happen before fans stop pretending?

This guy is the dirtiest player in a LONG time. It's like he's trying to be remembered as the dirtiest player ever.

The point is, at some point, someone is going to get seriously hurt, and this psychopath isn't even going to care.

There is no place for guys like this in the NBA or any other league for that matter.

[KungFuJoe]

He might not be trying to hurt people. But he is going to play like an asshole and his attitude is "If he gets hurt then that's even better." If I was a current player, I would give him a Karl Malone elbow like Isiah got.

Agreed...I think it's just a matter of time before someone retaliates against him.

He really seems to have embraced his role, though...but I guess he knows that it's his one ticket to a lasting career.

I just can't imagine any other team, besides the Rockets, that would START the guy. He seems PERFECT as the energy guy off the bench to spell the starting PG.

[UK2K]

Westbrook 6/17 5 TOs
Lillard 7/13 7 TOs
Hill 2/5 1 TO

Not including the Bulls game. That was an anomaly, they looked tired after the past two weeks and everyone played poorly.

But other than that, hes done pretty well against other pretty good point guards. Lillard was even complaining about him. You have guys complaining about you in SI, then you're doing something right.

Not saying hes the best defender, but he disrupts the other teams offense. Thats his only job. Disrupt the offense.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

He was somehow always just injuring or almost injuring guys all the time in Europe on these "accident" plays and the SAME thing ever since he came to the NBA.

How many freaking times does this have to happen before fans stop pretending?

This guy is the dirtiest player in a LONG time. It's like he's trying to be remembered as the dirtiest player ever.

The point is, at some point, someone is going to get seriously hurt, and this psychopath isn't even going to care.

There is no place for guys like this in the NBA or any other league for that matter.
this
what he did to westbrook the other night was shameful.
there you denied a guy of a possible finals appearance last playoffs and what do you do?? trying to go at him again after he called a timeout, the exact same thing that got him injured last year:wtf: :wtf: :biggums: :coleman:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Westbrook 6/17 5 TOs
Lillard 7/13 7 TOs
Hill 2/5 1 TO

Not including the Bulls game. That was an anomaly, they looked tired after the past two weeks and everyone played poorly.

But other than that, hes done pretty well against other pretty good point guards. Lillard was even complaining about him. You have guys complaining about you in SI, then you're doing something right.

Not saying hes the best defender, but he disrupts the other teams offense. Thats his only job. Disrupt the offense.
LOL at bringing up Lillard who owned his skinny ass till beverley flopped him out of the game.
why dont you do it like that.
Bev vs Lillard: 12 points vs 21 points before fouling out on a flop
Bev vs Westbrook: 2 points vs 24 points and Westbrook only had bad percentage because Failerley fouled him twice on 3 point attempts.
Houston fans just overrate the shit out of him because they follow their media like sheep

[Euroleague]

Agreed...I think it's just a matter of time before someone retaliates against him.

He really seems to have embraced his role, though...but I guess he knows that it's his one ticket to a lasting career.

I just can't imagine any other team, besides the Rockets, that would START the guy. He seems PERFECT as the energy guy off the bench to spell the starting PG.

Which was my point that it seems that Daryl Morey purposely signed him specifically to do this. It looks obvious. He was known as the dirtiest player in Europe. There were many many better point guards in Europe than him.

The Rockets GREATLY overpaid for him. He does not even have basic point guard skills other than dribbling. I mean he can't even pass or play make.

Then he comes in to the team and immediately plays mid season and plays ever since then, even if he does not produce, he plays in a team where the GM is obsessed with all the production stats.

It looks like it could not be any more clear that Morey was hiring a thug and that Beverley seemingly knew that was what he was being hired for.

And to make it worse, he's not even being fined or suspended for all this stuff he's doing.

I am sure also that when the first serious injury happens it will just all be an accident no matter how it looks. And Morey and Beverley will never be held accountable for anything.

It's definite psychopathic behavior though.

[KungFuJoe]

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what he did to westbrook the other night was shameful.
there you denied a guy of a possible finals appearance last playoffs and what do you do?? trying to go at him again after he called a timeout, the exact same thing that got him injured last year:wtf: :wtf: :biggums: :coleman:

That WAS a punk move, and I lost some respect for Beverley because of it.

Look...I know he wasn't TRYING to hurt Westbrook on that play...he kinda just grabbed him. But he was trying to say, "Hey...remember when I injured your knee?" as to remind him...and that is pretty damn low.

If it was me, I'd have walked up to Westbrook before the game and apologized, offered a hand, whatever. Not to be a *****, but c'mon...you TOOK AWAY the guy's playoffs and hope for a ring. That's some HUGE shit...show a little respect, you know? These guys are all playing the same game...the game they love.

But, I'm also not scraping by, hoping I don't get cut and trying to find a way to belong in the league.

[KungFuJoe]

If Lin was in the perfect place/time for Linsanity, Beverley was in the perfect place/time for Bevsanity (or whatever).

Beverley was going to start in front of Lin (ANYONE was going to) regardless of his reputation as a thug (which is something he really wasn't known for until this season). McHale just doesn't want Lin starting, period. If Tony Douglas was on the team, he'd be starting in front of Lin.

No other team in the NBA starts Beverley. None. And especially not a high ranked team like Houston. I doubt Morey wanted his 25 million dollar guy riding the bench so I imagine McHale and Morey had to compromise in SOME way.

[UK2K]

LOL at bringing up Lillard who owned his skinny ass till beverley flopped him out of the game.
why dont you do it like that.
Bev vs Lillard: 12 points vs 21 points before fouling out on a flop
Bev vs Westbrook: 2 points vs 24 points and Westbrook only had bad percentage because Failerley fouled him twice on 3 point attempts.
Houston fans just overrate the shit out of him because they follow their media like sheep
The fact your comparing scoring totals with Lillard and Westbrook in a thread YOU created downplaying BeverD's defense tells me....
A) You lost the argument already
B) This isnt about BeverD's defense at all
C) Youre on a one man crusade to justify Lin to the world

Again, Lin is garbo. He'd be good for Milwaukee or the Jazz, but not on a team where you have two top 3 players at their position. BeverD has played ONE full season in the NBA so far. ONE.

I hope Lin gets traded just so I dont have to see you post anymore about him not getting PT over someone who meshes with the team better. Go to ClutchFans, there is a thread using statistical analysis that shows BeverD fits in better.

Go away.

[scm5]

He was somehow always just injuring or almost injuring guys all the time in Europe on these "accident" plays and the SAME thing ever since he came to the NBA.

How many freaking times does this have to happen before fans stop pretending?

This guy is the dirtiest player in a LONG time. It's like he's trying to be remembered as the dirtiest player ever.

The point is, at some point, someone is going to get seriously hurt, and this psychopath isn't even going to care.

There is no place for guys like this in the NBA or any other league for that matter.


I agree with you except I truly believe he doesn't want to hurt people, it's just the way he plays that hurts people.

He has poor defensive instincts (watch his games) but excellent hustle and determination. He consistently plays harder on the defensive end than any other player I've seen, but it still doesn't make him a good defender. His constant effort on defense and aggressiveness I believe gets into some players heads, sometimes. I truly believe that this is also why he hurts people.

That play on Westbrook was uncalled for. If Westbrook didn't have his guard down, I don't think he would have been severely injured.

I don't think he belongs in the NBA because he's going to end up hurting a lot of players, but I think coaches just love his effort.

[UK2K]

LOL at bringing up Lillard who owned his skinny ass till beverley flopped him out of the game.
why dont you do it like that.
Bev vs Lillard: 12 points vs 21 points before fouling out on a flop
Bev vs Westbrook: 2 points vs 24 points and Westbrook only had bad percentage because Failerley fouled him twice on 3 point attempts.
Houston fans just overrate the shit out of him because they follow their media like sheep
I didnt even bother to read your post all the way cause I know youre a dumbass...

But missed FG's when getting fouled dont count as a missed FG.

So BeverD fouling him on three's had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SHOOTING %.

How old are you? Do you even know the rules of basketball?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

The fact your comparing scoring totals with Lillard and Westbrook in a thread YOU created downplaying BeverD's defense tells me....
A) You lost the argument already
B) This isnt about BeverD's defense at all
C) Youre on a one man crusade to justify Lin to the world

Again, Lin is garbo. He'd be good for Milwaukee or the Jazz, but not on a team where you have two top 3 players at their position. BeverD has played ONE full season in the NBA so far. ONE.

I hope Lin gets traded just so I dont have to see you post anymore about him not getting PT over someone who meshes with the team better. Go to ClutchFans, there is a thread using statistical analysis that shows BeverD fits in better.

Go away.
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[Marlo_Stanfield]

I didnt even bother to read your post all the way cause I know youre a dumbass...

But missed FG's when getting fouled dont count as a missed FG.

So BeverD fouling him on three's had absolutely NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS SHOOTING %.

How old are you? Do you even know the rules of basketball?
he would have made both so he would have had a better FG percentage

[Jailblazers7]

Westbrook 6/17 5 TOs
Lillard 7/13 7 TOs
Hill 2/5 1 TO

Not including the Bulls game. That was an anomaly, they looked tired after the past two weeks and everyone played poorly.

But other than that, hes done pretty well against other pretty good point guards. Lillard was even complaining about him. You have guys complaining about you in SI, then you're doing something right.

Not saying hes the best defender, but he disrupts the other teams offense. Thats his only job. Disrupt the offense.

If you're job is to be a troll who is putting others in harms way...then you aren't a very good player. All the dude does is play hyper aggressive and troll people. He fouls a lot, gets beat of the dribble, and does his best to plant the thought that he might you in the back of everyone's mind.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

If you're job is to be a troll who is putting others in harms way...then you aren't a very good player. All the dude does is play hyper aggressive and troll people. He fouls a lot, gets beat of the dribble, and does his best to plant the thought that he might you in the back of everyone's mind.
he got repeatedly BURNED by Krick freaking Heinrich yesterday... i mean common u serious:wtf:

[UK2K]

he would have made both so he would have had a better FG percentage
Would he? Would he have made both?

Hypothetically Bev should have shot 30 shots cause he would have made all of them too.

You dont even know the rules of basketball yet you are arguing against statistical proof that the Rockets offense and defense is better with BeverD playing more minutes...

What else ya got?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Would he? Would he have made both?

Hypothetically Bev should have shot 30 shots cause he would have made all of them too.

You dont even know the rules of basketball yet you are arguing against statistical proof that the Rockets offense and defense is better with BeverD playing more minutes...

What else ya got?
okay you are a troll.
how do i not know the rules of basketball.:biggums: :wtf:

[UK2K]

QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]okay you are a troll.
how do i not know the rules of basketball.:biggums: :wtf:[/QUOTE]
You argued Westbrook FG% would have been higher had he not gotten fouled, not knowing missed FGs on fouls dont count as a missed FG in the box score.


He swiped the ball a career-high five times against the*Cleveland Cavaliers*on Feb. 1 and has had three or more steals in 11 of his 46 games this season. He’s had 12 steals, including two against the Thunder, over his past five games.*

BeverD is 4th in the league in steal/TO ratio. That's his job. Play defense. Take care of the ball. Thats what he does.

And you still have yet to defend the statistical argument for playing Bev over Lin. Argue the numbers. Tell me the rockets are better with him and show me the numbers.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]okay you are a troll.
how do i not know the rules of basketball.:biggums: :wtf:
You argued Westbrook FG% would have been higher had he not gotten fouled, not knowing missed FGs on fouls dont count as a missed FG in the box score.


He swiped the ball a career-high five times against the*Cleveland Cavaliers*on Feb. 1 and has had three or more steals in 11 of his 46 games this season. He

[Burgz V2]

Jeremy Lin showed he can completely shut down opposing PGs this season, did it even in multiple consecutive games.


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[Marlo_Stanfield]

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its true.
keep denying doe:applause: :applause:

[UK2K]

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]You argued Westbrook FG% would have been higher had he not gotten fouled, not knowing missed FGs on fouls dont count as a missed FG in the box score.


He swiped the ball a career-high five times against the*Cleveland Cavaliers*on Feb. 1 and has had three or more steals in 11 of his 46 games this season. He

[Marlo_Stanfield]

okay for a tard like you i will do it.
If Lin takes more than 11 shots(that usually happens when he starts) the Rockets are 16-2 (16-1 before last games no show by everyone)
when he plays more than 30 minutes( usually when he starts) Rockets are 17-6.
at one point of the season, not so far ago the Rockets where 10-10 when beverley plays more than 30 minutes.
those are all UNDISPUTABLE facts, not even talking about how he is B>Y FAR their best passer and the guy who showed greatest Chemistry with Dwight when he was allowed to play real PnR Pointguard.
What you say now doe:coleman:

Lin takes more then 11 shots when were crushing teams by 30 which happens more and more frequently.

Look I'm not saying Bev is better, im saying hes better for THIS team. Lin needs to go to Milwaukee.[/QUOTE]
showing your retardation and CLEAR bias against Lin while ignoring the stats i posted who were consistent through the whole season.
only stat that got better was bevs win ratio when he plays more than 30 minutes during that last winning streak of the Rockets which was somewhat overrated if you consider everyone they beat was in a losing streak.
those stats i posted are a solid PROOF that he HAS TO start.
dont make me post his way better defensive rating than beverleys too:roll: :roll:
stay mad doe

[ABfor3]

I'm from Houston, and I love the Rockets to death but Mario Stanfield I'm not sure if your a rockets fan or just a really really big Jeremy Lin fan ..? Either way, you push out the same agenda in every thread I've seen you post in..I understand your frustration with McHale and Lins playing time but it's getting old already.

Anyways, on topic Beverley is a good defender, I got comcast and I've seen almost every rockets game for the past 5 years or so? He does tend to gamble but that's what makes you great is when you take risks. He's had multiple game changing defensive plays, which is why McHale loves him. McHale was a great defender in his day(multiple all defensive selections) , and he has Lin coming off the bench because he's better suited for it, he is basically Harden just not as good. You can't have 2 players like that on the starting lineup so you keep the better one in and have the other one play the role off the bench. Both great off the PnR, Lin a better defender, harden a better scorer, it works especially because of Lins chemistry with Asik and Cisco already off the bench.

[UK2K]

Lin takes more then 11 shots when were crushing teams by 30 which happens more and more frequently.

Look I'm not saying Bev is better, im saying hes better for THIS team. Lin needs to go to Milwaukee.
showing your retardation and CLEAR bias against Lin while ignoring the stats i posted who were consistent through the whole season.
only stat that got better was bevs win ratio when he plays more than 30 minutes during that last winning streak of the Rockets which was somewhat overrated if you consider everyone they beat was in a losing streak.
those stats i posted are a solid PROOF that he HAS TO start.
dont make me post his way better defensive rating than beverleys too:roll: :roll:
stay mad doe[/QUOTE]
Lin's 108 DRtg vs Bev's 107?

Way better. Steals? Steals per 48? Steal/TO ratio? TO per 48?

You like stats. Post those too.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I'm from Houston, and I love the Rockets to death but Mario Stanfield I'm not sure if your a rockets fan or just a really really big Jeremy Lin fan ..? Either way, you push out the same agenda in every thread I've seen you post in..I understand your frustration with McHale and Lins playing time but it's getting old already.

Anyways, on topic Beverley is a good defender, I got comcast and I've seen almost every rockets game for the past 5 years or so? He does tend to gamble but that's what makes you great is when you take risks. He's had multiple game changing defensive plays, which is why McHale loves him. McHale was a great defender in his day(multiple all defensive selections) , and he has Lin coming off the bench because he's better suited for it, he is basically Harden just not as good. You can't have 2 players like that on the starting lineup so you keep the better one in and have the other one play the role off the bench. Both great off the PnR, Lin a better defender, harden a better scorer, it works especially because of Lins chemistry with Asik and Cisco already off the bench.come on lin and Harden should start and BOTH do PnR with Howard no silly post ups. both are GREAt PnR guys.
Harden looks to score off it while Lin gets EVERYONE involved especially the big fella.
both Lin and Harden can spot up and play off the ball as well, harden is just not willing too even tho hes GREAT at spot up threes( would say his bigest strenght even).
Parsons shouldnt handle the ball, like at all. he should start playing defense again, rebound and play off the ball and cut and slash. hes insanely good at that and nearly unguardable while he SUCKS at playmaking.
then Dmo should start and space the floor as well as occasional post ups.
Houston would freaking dominate like that. they would have no weakness and would be unguardable.
you can still start beverley for D-Mo in some match ups.
Houstons offense is soo predicable with beverley out there and Harden and Parsons playmaking.
watch them get exposed in the playoffs.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

showing your retardation and CLEAR bias against Lin while ignoring the stats i posted who were consistent through the whole season.
only stat that got better was bevs win ratio when he plays more than 30 minutes during that last winning streak of the Rockets which was somewhat overrated if you consider everyone they beat was in a losing streak.
those stats i posted are a solid PROOF that he HAS TO start.
dont make me post his way better defensive rating than beverleys too:roll: :roll:
stay mad doe
Lin's 108 DRtg vs Bev's 107?

Way better. Steals? Steals per 48? Steal/TO ratio? TO per 48?

You like stats. Post those too.[/QUOTE]
LOL at bringing up TO. everyone on Houston is allowed to turn it over but lin?? Beverley doesnt have many TO because he doesnt playmake.
Howard and Harden both have way higher TO than Lin. Parsons is close to as a SF.
Beverley gets more steals but not much more and Harden is one of the top guys in steals. i wouldnt call him a good defender:roll: :roll:
Lin is just better in everything than beverley. simple as that:coleman:

[KungFuJoe]

I'm from Houston, and I love the Rockets to death but Mario Stanfield I'm not sure if your a rockets fan or just a really really big Jeremy Lin fan ..? Either way, you push out the same agenda in every thread I've seen you post in..I understand your frustration with McHale and Lins playing time but it's getting old already.

Anyways, on topic Beverley is a good defender, I got comcast and I've seen almost every rockets game for the past 5 years or so? He does tend to gamble but that's what makes you great is when you take risks. He's had multiple game changing defensive plays, which is why McHale loves him. McHale was a great defender in his day(multiple all defensive selections) , and he has Lin coming off the bench because he's better suited for it, he is basically Harden just not as good. You can't have 2 players like that on the starting lineup so you keep the better one in and have the other one play the role off the bench. Both great off the PnR, Lin a better defender, harden a better scorer, it works especially because of Lins chemistry with Asik and Cisco already off the bench.

Beverley is a good defender, but that's not why he starts over Lin. Beverley is not that much better (I think they are on par, defensively) than Lin on the defensive end to offset his lack of offensive production.

I still think McHale doesn't start Lin because of personal reasons (he DID cut him, after all) or because he doesn't like Lin's style of play (high risk/reward).

The whole thing about Lin leading the second unit is completely false. With all the minutes Harden gets, it's rare that Lin is out there when Harden isn't.

Last night, against the Bulls, the best unit was Lin/Garcia/DMo (and Casspi thrown in as well) and McHale only played that unit for a little bit in the 2nd. That was when they cut into the lead. McHale went back to the same crappy starting lineup to start the 2nd half and he left them in, pretty much the rest of the game until he threw in the towel with 8 minutes left in the 4th.

McHale is still a crappy coach and Houston's record is in SPITE of that.

[DMAVS41]

Lin's 108 DRtg vs Bev's 107?

Way better. Steals? Steals per 48? Steal/TO ratio? TO per 48?

You like stats. Post those too.
LOL at bringing up TO. everyone on Houston is allowed to turn it over but lin?? Beverley doesnt have many TO because he doesnt playmake.
Howard and Harden both have way higher TO than Lin. Parsons is close to as a SF.
Beverley gets more steals but not much more and Harden is one of the top guys in steals. i wouldnt call him a good defender:roll: :roll:
Lin is just better in everything than beverley. simple as that:coleman:[/QUOTE]

take a look at defensive rapm if you are going the stats route...that certainly is a better metric than individual defensive rating.

Beverly has a plus 2.5 defensive rapm. Which is better than just about any other pg in the league. Better than Paul, better than Conley, better than George Hill, better than Westbrook, better than Wall, better than Chalmers...

[shoops]

That WAS a punk move, and I lost some respect for Beverley because of it.

Look...I know he wasn't TRYING to hurt Westbrook on that play...he kinda just grabbed him. But he was trying to say, "Hey...remember when I injured your knee?" as to remind him...and that is pretty damn low.

If it was me, I'd have walked up to Westbrook before the game and apologized, offered a hand, whatever. Not to be a *****, but c'mon...you TOOK AWAY the guy's playoffs and hope for a ring. That's some HUGE shit...show a little respect, you know? These guys are all playing the same game...the game they love.

But, I'm also not scraping by, hoping I don't get cut and trying to find a way to belong in the league.
Agree with this post and most of what you posted in this thread. It was bad sportsmanship to do what he did that game considering that he injured Westbrook in the first place, not the the other way around. Gotta respect your opponent...

Overall, Beverley is a good role player to have on your team, good teammate, always gives his best effort. His defense is pretty good, but maybe a little overrated because he seems so active. He needs to play a bit more cerebral on defense as he still fouls too much.
Bev disrupts opponents offense though for sure and his hustle boosts his teammates. He's a very active defender compared to Lin, but for some matchups Lin does better with his size advantage. Lin is an underrated defender, he contests shots pretty damn well, even if he doesn't look as active as Beverley.

[Dr.J4ever]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1992331-is-patrick-beverley-the-houston-rockets-x-factor

Self explanatory.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

watch ncaa big ten games to see good defense. pbev is bottom of the barrel

[Dr.J4ever]

See Patrick Bev's journey from the NBA to the EL, then back to the NBA, and then to the Eurocup where he finally excelled, and then back to the NBA again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Beverley-

[STATUTORY]

Bev is capable of injuring any star on the opposing team from 1 to 5

[ABfor3]

Beverley is a good defender, but that's not why he starts over Lin. Beverley is not that much better (I think they are on par, defensively) than Lin on the defensive end to offset his lack of offensive production.

I still think McHale doesn't start Lin because of personal reasons (he DID cut him, after all) or because he doesn't like Lin's style of play (high risk/reward).

The whole thing about Lin leading the second unit is completely false. With all the minutes Harden gets, it's rare that Lin is out there when Harden isn't.

Last night, against the Bulls, the best unit was Lin/Garcia/DMo (and Casspi thrown in as well) and McHale only played that unit for a little bit in the 2nd. That was when they cut into the lead. McHale went back to the same crappy starting lineup to start the 2nd half and he left them in, pretty much the rest of the game until he threw in the towel with 8 minutes left in the 4th.

McHale is still a crappy coach and Houston's record is in SPITE of that.
Personal reasons? You know if Lin had personal problems with McHale he wouldn't have came back to Houston especially after all the success he's had in NY. Lin got cut because he wasn't better than Dragic and Lowry.

[UK2K]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1992331-is-patrick-beverley-the-houston-rockets-x-factor

Self explanatory.
Great article.

One thing it Pointe out was Bev has been shooting 40% from deep in the past two months. Thats huge, because the Rockets like shooters as oh shit valves.

[Smook A.]

Bev is capable of injuring any star on the opposing team from 1 to 5
:roll: He's injured 1 player his whole career. People act like he injured 10 guys

[KungFuJoe]

Great article.

One thing it Pointe out was Bev has been shooting 40% from deep in the past two months. Thats huge, because the Rockets like shooters as oh shit valves.

It's a horrible article.

Beverley is built for the playoffs? LOL he's played one series his entire ****ing career! :roll:

[JohnMax]

All I know is when Lin comes in the game against Westbrook and CP3, they seem to have easier time scoring

[oarabbus]

:roll: He's injured 1 player his whole career. People act like he injured 10 guys

You might be right he only injured one player, it's the guys attitude that makes people look down on him. I mean WTF was his deal going for Westbrook's knee after the whistle again? That **** wasn't funny... not to mention he's gets way up on people to the point they can't land safely after a jumpshot. I've seen him creep up on Curry and (seemingly) stick his feet out underneath. Not cool.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

All I know is when Lin comes in the game against Westbrook and CP3, they seem to have easier time scoring
yeah thats why Westbrook was held to 0-5 against Lin and 6-9 on Beverley+ 2 fouls on threepoint attempts:roll: :roll:

[AnaheimLakers24]

that dudes garbage

[Marlo_Stanfield]

that dudes garbage
:applause: :applause:

[YouGotServed]

A lot of people saying Beverley is a dirty player.

Show me. I want evidence. I'll wait.

[Euroleague]

I'm from Houston, and I love the Rockets to death but Mario Stanfield I'm not sure if your a rockets fan or just a really really big Jeremy Lin fan ..? Either way, you push out the same agenda in every thread I've seen you post in..I understand your frustration with McHale and Lins playing time but it's getting old already.

Anyways, on topic Beverley is a good defender, I got comcast and I've seen almost every rockets game for the past 5 years or so? He does tend to gamble but that's what makes you great is when you take risks. He's had multiple game changing defensive plays, which is why McHale loves him. McHale was a great defender in his day(multiple all defensive selections) , and he has Lin coming off the bench because he's better suited for it, he is basically Harden just not as good. You can't have 2 players like that on the starting lineup so you keep the better one in and have the other one play the role off the bench. Both great off the PnR, Lin a better defender, harden a better scorer, it works especially because of Lins chemistry with Asik and Cisco already off the bench.

I hate to break it to you, but the only basketball skill Harden has is having NBA refs in his back pocket.

[Euroleague]

take a look at defensive rapm if you are going the stats route...that certainly is a better metric than individual defensive rating.

Beverly has a plus 2.5 defensive rapm. Which is better than just about any other pg in the league. Better than Paul, better than Conley, better than George Hill, better than Westbrook, better than Wall, better than Chalmers...

I'm not seeing your point here.............the OP was saying that Beverley isn't a good defender. To dispute that you said he was a better defender than a bunch of guys that are bad defenders............

So what exactly is your point?

Beverley isn't a good defender at all. Anyone with serious basketball knowledge can see that. I would put him as slightly above average, only due to his energy, hustle and effort.....that's from NBA POV only, where no one cares or plays any defense, especially at point guard position, so it exaggerates any kind of hustle or energy play.

If you take that away, and just consider that no one defends anyone in NBA really, especially at point guard, and stop being enamored with someone giving effort there, and just look at the actual defense being played, he's not fundamentally doing a damn thing at all on defense.

He certainly isn't "good".

So again, it's just the anomaly of NBA fans not grasping that they can't differentiate from realizing that no one plays defense in NBA, especially at point guard, so they get enamored from seeing someone try to do so at point guard...........even if the defense isn't even good.

[IncarceratedBob]

its pretty uncool to put your foot under a dude when he's shooting a jumper hoping that he'll land on your foot and get injured, esp when youre in the nba and that is a guys livelihood

bev is a silly thug, if he couldnt put a ball in a hoop he would be slinging crack.

[Euroleague]

A lot of people saying Beverley is a dirty player.

Show me. I want evidence. I'll wait.

PUT DOWN THE PIPE

[YouGotServed]

I don't think Beverley tries to actually hurt anyone and he definitely wasn't trying to hurt Westbrook the other night.

But he WAS trying to get in his head and that timeout play WAS on purpose.

I just don't like players like that. I mean, it's one thing if you're Rodman or Artest and you're producing buckets and/or rebounds, but when you're a thug and your statline ends up being 2pts, 3 rbs, 0 assts...just shut the **** up and play the game. I'm not saying that's Beverley, but if keeps up the shit he pulled against OKC, he WILL become that kind of player.

:oldlol: I absolutely loved how he went at Westbrook after the timeout was called. It was low-class for sure, but Beverley doesn't give a shit about being classy. **** class. Class is overrated. Most of the all time greats weren't classy on the court anyway, they were assholes.

I don't agree with your logic. What does PatBev's stats have to do with anything? :oldlol: @ this idea of having a correlation between sportsmanship and stats. Anyway, IIRC, PatBev tried to give Westbrook daps last year and Westbrook got mad and slapped his hand away.

He made it clear he doesn't want to be friends or "cool" with Beverley. Why would Beverley go to Westbrook and apologize to him after that? What Beverley did was low, and I loved it. I hope he does it again next time they meet.

Again, somebody show me video evidence of Beverley being dirty. I'm waiting.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

its pretty uncool to put your foot under a dude when he's shooting a jumper hoping that he'll land on your foot and get injured, esp when youre in the nba and that is a guys livelihood

bev is a silly thug, if he couldnt put a ball in a hoop he would be slinging crack.
i go with smoking it. he already looks like a crackhead.
thats why i call him lil cracky

[Euroleague]

Bitch quote.

True quote.

[Euroleague]

:oldlol: I absolutely loved how he went at Westbrook after the timeout was called. It was low-class for sure, but Beverley doesn't give a shit about being classy. **** class. Class is overrated. Most of the all time greats weren't classy on the court anyway, they were assholes.

I don't agree with your logic. What does PatBev's stats have to do with anything? :oldlol: @ this idea of having a correlation between sportsmanship and stats. Anyway, IIRC, PatBev tried to give Westbrook daps last year and Westbrook got mad and slapped his hand away.

He made it clear he doesn't want to be friends or "cool" with Beverley. Why would Beverley go to Westbrook and apologize to him after that? What Beverley did was low, and I loved it. I hope he does it again next time they meet.

Again, somebody show me video evidence of Beverley being dirty. I'm waiting.

Typical clutchfans psychopath right here...................

[Bandito]

Jeremy Lin sucks butt and Beverley is better than him. Get over it.

[YouGotServed]

Typical clutchfans psychopath right here...................

Cool. Now show me video evidence of Beverley being a dirty player.

[Euroleague]

Cool. Now show me video evidence of Beverley being a dirty player.

Show me video evidence of you not being a psychopath.

[oarabbus]

Jeremy Lin sucks butt and Beverley is better than him. Get over it.


:lol nope

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Show me video evidence of you not being a psychopath.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[YouGotServed]

Show me video evidence of you not being a psychopath.

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:lol nope

Yes :lol

[oarabbus]

[


Yes :lol


Lin scores more points, gets more assists, gets more blocks, has better defense, has higher fg%, higher ft%.

Next.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Lin scores more points, gets more assists, gets more blocks, has better defense, has higher fg%, higher ft%.

Next.
give him a break.
his a mental midget from the most retarded site ever called Clutchfans

[YouGotServed]

Lin scores more points, gets more assists, gets more blocks, has better defense, has higher fg%, higher ft%.

Next.

Cool stats. (http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/jeremy-lin-is-no-longer-in-the-rockets-starting-lineup/)

Next.

[oarabbus]

McHale is a phagg0t and took it in the ass from Thibs (http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/jeremy-lin-is-no-longer-in-the-rockets-starting-lineup/)

Next.


tl;dr

Article title is all that's necessary anyway

[YouGotServed]

Houston's starting point guard: Patrick Beverley

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/jeremy_lin_patrick_beverley.jpg

[oarabbus]

Beverley is garbage can't even average 10ppg :roll:

[YouGotServed]

But can he start, doe?

[Milbuck]

Is Beverley the worst starting PG in the league? At BEST he's bottom 5.

[YouGotServed]

I agree. Is amazing what Harden has been able to do with his team regardless of the talent around him.

[oarabbus]

Is Beverley the worst starting PG in the league? At BEST he's bottom 5.

What kind of starting PG can't average double digit scoring :roll:

I think it's only Beverley and Rubio. But Rubio is 100000x the playmaker that Beverley is, while being a better defender :lol

[Milbuck]

I'm really proud of Harden. Jealous too. Making the all-star team, and gonna have a nice solid run in the playoffs. AND he'll be nice and cozy at home in his couch watching the conference finals and finals. Can't ask for a sweeter deal than that.

[Rocketswin2013]

I'm really proud of Harden. Jealous too. Making the all-star team, and gonna have a nice solid run in the playoffs. AND he'll be nice and cozy at home in his couch watching the conference finals and finals. Can't ask for a sweeter deal than that.
I genuinely want to know how a Bucks fan even holds emotional ties to James Harden. Like you do know you look like his angry jealous ex-bitch right?

[Marlo_Stanfield]

nice guys.
thanks for a nice discussion.
nice to see that outside of rockets trolls we all agree that Beverley is basically garbage

[YouGotServed]

Best record in the league since January. "First round exit", doe.

https://i.imgflip.com/6vbop.gif

[Smook A.]

I'm really proud of Harden. Jealous too. Making the all-star team, and gonna have a nice solid run in the playoffs. AND he'll be nice and cozy at home in his couch watching the conference finals and finals. Can't ask for a sweeter deal than that.
Q: What is the difference between a Bucks fan and a baby?
A: The baby will stop whining after awhile.


Q: What do the Milwaukee Bucks and possums have in common?
A: Both play dead at home and get killed on the road!

[Milbuck]

Q: What is the difference between a Bucks fan and a baby?
A: The baby will stop whining after awhile.


Q: What do the Milwaukee Bucks and possums have in common?
A: Both play dead at home and get killed on the road!
http://m.voices.yahoo.com/nba-finals-jokes-mavericks-fans-yahoo-news-metro-8565411.html

:roll: :roll: You literally copied and pasted those jokes, and changed it from Heat to Bucks.

I thought you were better than that Shmoosicle :oldlol:

[Smook A.]

http://m.voices.yahoo.com/nba-finals-jokes-mavericks-fans-yahoo-news-metro-8565411.html

:roll: :roll: You literally copied and pasted those jokes, and changed it from Heat to Bucks.

I thought you were better than that Shmoosicle :oldlol:
Actually I didn't change shit :lol :roll:

http://www.jokes4us.com/sportsjokes/nbajokes/milwaukeebucksjokes.html

A whole website

[YouGotServed]

Guys, chill. We're talking about how much Harden sucks despite being 5th in the MVP rankings.

[Milbuck]

Actually I didn't change shit :roll :lol

http://www.jokes4us.com/sportsjokes/nbajokes/milwaukeebucksjokes.html

A whole website
:applause: Shit man, you got me. Here I am thinking you stole jokes from a Heat joke article when really, you stole them from a Bucks joke page.:oldlol:

[oarabbus]

:applause: Shit man, you got me. Here I am thinking you stole jokes from a Heat joke article when really, you stole them from a Bucks joke page.:oldlol:


Well now we know that the Yahoo writer stole those jokes from the Bucks joke page :lol

[Milbuck]

Well now we know that the Yahoo writer stole those jokes from the Bucks joke page :lol
Even when they're getting ripped on, my Bucks are influential as ****. Got writers plagiarizing that shit left and right.

That, and Yahoo writers suck ass.

[YouGotServed]

But, guys. Harden.

[Milbuck]

We've already talked about Harden, it's enough for now. Role players don't deserve that much attention.

[YouGotServed]

The irony of posting that in a Patrick "bottom 5 point guard" Beverley thread with almost 120 replies.

:oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Its unfortunate, Houston will NEVER win a championship with Dwight :(

[Smook A.]

We've already talked about Harden, it's enough for now. Role players don't deserve that much attention.
Role players don't get to #5 on the MVP ladder

[Milbuck]

Role players don't get to #5 on the MVP ladder
What would you put Beardsley's MVP chances at right now for this season?

[YouGotServed]

5th in MVP rankings.

"role player", doe.

:oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Does 5th in the MVP race even mean anything anymore?

Next headline: Jeremy Lamb is 9th on the MIP ladder.

[eliteballer]

At least he makes guys work, that alone is valuable.

[PsychoBe]

At least he makes guys work, that alone is valuable.

harden makes his teammates work too.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/11/08/2013-11-0814_26_00.gif

[Milbuck]

harden makes his teammates work too.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/11/08/2013-11-0814_26_00.gif
:bowdown: :bowdown: James Harden GOAT defender for the opposing team :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:bowdown: :bowdown: James Harden GOAT defender for the opposing team :bowdown: :bowdown:
Rockets fans always say how unselfish harden is. i agree.
he regulary gives his opponents career highs:applause: :bowdown:

[Euroleague]

Jeremy Lin sucks butt and Beverley is better than him. Get over it.

Why does Puerto Rico even have a national team? They are a part of the USA and even voted to become the 51st state.

They should be blocked from FIBA. They should not be allowed under the rules.

[Euroleague]

give him a break.
his a mental midget from the most retarded site ever called Clutchfans

That's an enormously racist site. The same site that has been in controversy numerous times due to excessive amounts of racist comments directed against Yao Ming, Jeremy Lin, Vassilis Spanoulis, Asian people, Chinese people, Taiwanese people, Greek people, etc.

The typical "don't mess with Texas" crowd.

[Euroleague]

Guys, chill. We're talking about how much Harden sucks despite being 5th in the MVP rankings.

What "basketball skill" does James Harden have besides piling his body into the lane and throwing it into the defenders like a bowling ball rolling into bowling pins and then waiting for the rigged NBA refs to give him 2 free throws?

A "basketball skill" that mind you only exists in the NBA and in no other league on the planet..............

What other "basketball skills" does Harden possess?

The ability to "dribble" (otherwise known as carry and travel in every league outside of the NBA)?

The ability to "draw fouls successfully" (otherwise known as flop)?

It sure the hell isn't the ability to pass the ball or play defense........

[Smook A.]

That's an enormously racist site. The same site that been in controversy numerous times due to excessive amounts of racism comments directed against Yao Ming, Jeremy Lin, Vassilis Spanoulis, Asian people, Chinese people, Taiwanese people, Greek people, etc.

The typical "don't mess with Texas" crowd.
I go there everyday and I never see racist comments. You are just butthurt that we say V-Span sucks. Get over it. Go to the euroleague forum where you belong. You're annoying as shit. stfu and stop complaining everytime you ultimate b*tch-made troll.

You make trolls look like good posters. Thats how ****ing bad you are.

How the hell are we racist towards Yao Ming and Lin? Do you know wtf racism means?? Rockets fans love Yao Ming. Sometimes Jeremy Lin has bad games and that's when we criticize him for not doing good. Like that time he airballed a 3. We criticize everyone once in a while. That's not being racist you mental idiot. We have a bunch of different races on our forum. If we were racist, they probably would've left but they didn't.... because we aren't racist

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I go there everyday and I never see racist comments. You are just butthurt that we say V-Span sucks. Get over it. Go to the euroleague forum where you belong. You're annoying as shit. stfu and stop complaining everytime you ultimate b*tch-made troll.

You make trolls look like good posters. Thats how ****ing bad you are.

How the hell are we racist towards Yao Ming and Lin? Do you know wtf racism means?? Rockets fans love Yao Ming. Sometimes Jeremy Lin has bad games and that's when we criticize him for not doing good. Like that time he airballed a 3. That's not being racist you mental idiot. We have a bunch of different races on our forum. If we were racist, they probably would've left but they didn't.... because we aren't racist
lol even there site owner is a KNOWN racist who only started banning blatantly racist people after he got called out by other long term members.
I

[Marlo_Stanfield]

What "basketball skill" does James Harden have besides piling his body into the lane and throwing it into the defenders like a bowling ball rolling into bowling pins and then waiting for the rigged NBA refs to give him 2 free throws?

A "basketball skill" that mind you only exists in the NBA and in no other league on the planet..............

What other "basketball skills" does Harden possess?

The ability to dribble (otherwise known as carry and travel in every league outside of the NBA)?

The ability to "draw fouls successfully" (otherwise known as flop)?

It sure the hell isn't the ability to pass the ball or play defense........
:applause: :applause:

[Smook A.]

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]lol even there site owner is a KNOWN racist who only started banning blatantly racist people after he got called out by other long term members.
I

[Marlo_Stanfield]

I don't like the owner of clutchfans either because he banned me for bumping an old thread.

Anyway, I haven't seen anything racist there
its very racist.
just recently since he started banning racists its a bit better.
but i dont go there anymore

[Euroleague]

I go there everyday and I never see racist comments. You are just butthurt that we say V-Span sucks. Get over it. Go to the euroleague forum where you belong. You're annoying as shit. stfu and stop complaining everytime you ultimate b*tch-made troll.

You make trolls look like good posters. Thats how ****ing bad you are.

How the hell are we racist towards Yao Ming and Lin? Do you know wtf racism means?? Rockets fans love Yao Ming. Sometimes Jeremy Lin has bad games and that's when we criticize him for not doing good. Like that time he airballed a 3. We criticize everyone once in a while. That's not being racist you mental idiot. We have a bunch of different races on our forum. If we were racist, they probably would've left but they didn't.... because we aren't racist

It's a bunch of racist KKK cross burning a-holes.

[Smook A.]

What "basketball skill" does James Harden have besides piling his body into the lane and throwing it into the defenders like a bowling ball rolling into bowling pins and then waiting for the rigged NBA refs to give him 2 free throws?

A "basketball skill" that mind you only exists in the NBA and in no other league on the planet..............

What other "basketball skills" does Harden possess?

The ability to dribble (otherwise known as carry and travel in every league outside of the NBA)?

The ability to "draw fouls successfully" (otherwise known as flop)?

It sure the hell isn't the ability to pass the ball or play defense........
There are many stars that don't play good defense either. People never talk about them. Its ALWAYS about Harden.

And drawing free throws is actually good. Any coach would be happy with that. Im sure you would be defending harden if he was on your team

[Euroleague]

its very racist.
just recently since he started banning racists its a bit better.
but i dont go there anymore

Sam Fisher and his friends are the main racists at that site and none of them have been banned.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Sam Fisher and his friends are the main racists at that site and none of them have been banned.
yeah sure KKK is still strong on this sit he only banned very few people and it was an obvious act

[Smook A.]

You are a bunch of racist KKK cross burning a-holes.
http://i52.tinypic.com/20qanww.jpg

[Euroleague]

I don't like the owner of clutchfans either because he banned me for bumping an old thread.

Anyway, I haven't seen anything racist there

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

:wtf: :facepalm :rolleyes:

:biggums:

You have never been to that site then. GET REAL. It's so racist it's sickening.

My god.........you can hardly look through it without seeing something like (paraphrasing) "go brush your teeth Yao, Chinese people have yellow teeth and bad breath".......

or, "STFU and go eat a bowl of rice Lin"........

or, "All Europeans are smelly, don't bathe, are hairy, don't wipe their asses, and don't have toilets, and live in barns".

Those posters like Sam Fisher, B_bob and them etc, and dozens more DAILY posts by the hundreds.

FOR YEARS.

That site is racist as hell. They HATE Asians, and they HATE Europeans.

[Euroleague]

http://i52.tinypic.com/20qanww.jpg

Anyone that says they read that site everyday and says they see nothing racist there must be something like KKK member.

Either that or they are completely certifiably insane.

The amount of racism at that site directed towards Asians and non-American white Europeans (white people that live in Europe) is absolutely shocking.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

:wtf: :facepalm :rolleyes:

:biggums:

You have never been to that site then. GET REAL. It's so racist it's sickening.

My god.........you can hardly look through it without seeing something like (paraphrasing) "go brush your teeth Yao, Chinese people have yellow teeth and bad breath".......

or, "STFU and go eat a bowl of rice Lin"........

or, "All Europeans are smelly, don't bathe, are hairy, don't wipe their asses, and don't have toilets, and live in barns".

Those posts like Sam Fisher, B_bob and them etc, and dozens more DAILY posts by the hundreds.

FOR YEARS.

That site is racist as hell. They HATE Asians, and they HATE Europeans.
sad but true:facepalm

[Euroleague]

There are many stars that don't play good defense either. People never talk about them. Its ALWAYS about Harden.

And drawing free throws is actually good. Any coach would be happy with that. Im sure you would be defending harden if he was on your team

That's besides the point.

I said what basketball skills does he have? You are making it sound like he's this great player or something. The fact is he has no basketball skills.

He just flops and throws himself into defenders and he's on the NBA's list of manufactured fake "stars" and gets sent to the foul line by the refs that control the league.

In no other league in the world would he even draw fouls for any of that.

He has no basketball skills. That's the point. You can't even name a single actual basketball skill that he has.

Harden is the purest example of everything that is wrong with Stern's "modern" NBA. A guy without any actual basketball skill or ability of any kind at all. That plays no defense, that won't pass the ball..........that has a horrible attitude, that is extremely selfish, and that is 100% a creation of NBA refs.

[Milbuck]

Guys, I think I'm in love with Euroleague. His James Harden hate in this thread literally has me dripping like Niagra Falls.

[Smook A.]

Guys, I think I'm in love with Euroleague. His James Harden hate in this thread literally has me dripping like Niagra Falls.
Marry him

[ZoPunde]

I was expecting you to provide evidence and/or highlights.

:coleman: