Using the eye test. Does Derrick Rose look as fast and athletic as Russell Westbrook?

[JohnMax]

Bulls vs. Lakers: Derrick Rose highlights - 22 points (12.25.11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xktt2E5b054

Thunder vs. Lakers: Russell Westbrook highlights - 32 points, 12 assists (1.17.11)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eJHhUuGxy4

[Smook A.]

He looks a bit faster and more athletic to me. Kind of like a rich man's Russell Westbrook

[navy]

Derrick Rose has better body control, but I always thought Russel was more athletic.

[moe94]

He looks a bit faster and more athletic to me. Kind of like a rich man's Russell Westbrook

What? :biggums:

I've seen shit Westbrook do that I'm not really sure any other PG could do.

[inclinerator]

westbrook jumps higher and is stronger
rose faster quicker

explosive a wash

[Rocketswin2013]

Rose is simply faster and has a better first step. And is a better player, and a MVP. Quit the weak comparisons.

[Rocketswin2013]

What? :biggums:

I've seen shit Westbrook do that I'm not really sure any other PG could do.
Like? Gif or video link it.

[moe94]

Rose is simply faster and has a better first step. And is a better player, and a MVP. Quit the weak comparisons.

How was he better? :confusedshrug:

Rose is arguably the worst MVP ever.

[Rocketswin2013]

How was he better? :confusedshrug:

Rose is arguably the worst MVP ever.
Name 3 things Westbrook was better at than Rose.

[Pointguard]

What? :biggums:

I've seen shit Westbrook do that I'm not really sure any other PG could do.

Westbrook is a little bit more explosive but hand eye coordination, dribble co-ordination, body control, timing, balance, change of direction, lateral foot movement, off-hand, ability to hold on to the ball, strength, quickness and speed he not as good as Rose. Vertical is probably even - you really can't tell. Unless you stack the deck on explosiveness I just don't see it. What is it that Westbrook does that makes you think he as athletic as a healthy Rose.

[Rocketswin2013]

Lol Westbrooks stats would be so horrific had he been in Rose' s situation in Chicago. Like seriously imagine Westbrook as a #1 scoring option and he HAS to run the offense well and play well enough to draw double teams nightly . My ****ing god the bad shots and turnovers.

[moe94]

Like? Gif or video link it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbPG6VYtsRU

full extension windmill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC-p-KVNFz8

What PG is matching that power?

[JohnFreeman]

People forgetting how good Rose was.

[Peteballa]

People forgetting how good Rose was.

This. Dude was a nightmare.

[Smook A.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbPG6VYtsRU

full extension windmill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC-p-KVNFz8

What PG is matching that power?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tay8AJsx2o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ClP7RNszZM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMAlRgylT04
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI9eEghVzgE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR8aiA_z_vQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikc-uM_Ekkc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUs7R8Xx-5U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7tF-Wlw2L8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEBd3hOt-Qo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmkJBxV8nmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG0M-BNb8L8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJvcuD8ExNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myijZ7IthTA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biemqmEDKD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja_gAZ94CPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqFwcYX-an4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJktVDUiDIk

D-Rose was more athletic and the things he could do were unbelievable for his size

[dontgetchoked]

westbrook is more explosive and agressive. dude wants to dunk on you. Rose was every bit as athletic though, quickness, speed in the open court overall agility go to rose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnmizol9qf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDM_c9feGrw

[Bless Mathews]

Athletic explosiveness - Westbrook.

Athletic agility - rose


Westbrook is balls to the wall. Rose uses his athletically ability more intelligently.

I'll take rose all day.

[chairman]

Backfired on op :roll:

[imdaman99]

Lol Westbrooks stats would be so horrific had he been in Rose' s situation in Chicago. Like seriously imagine Westbrook as a #1 scoring option and he HAS to run the offense well and play well enough to draw double teams nightly . My ****ing god the bad shots and turnovers.
Dont be stupid. The Bulls team is made for a PG that can create his own shot. Nate Robinson got them just as many playoff wins against the Heat as Rose did. And it's likely DJ Augustin would do the same. Who are these guys? Role players.

Fact is that Westbrook is a killer and an alpha who is dying to get out there and play. Can't say the same about Rose.

Westbrook on the Bulls would put them over the Pacers and a tougher out for Miami.

[Milbuck]

Of course Russell is gonna seem more athletic..Rose hasn't been Rose for like 3 years now. If we ignore all the return jokes and injury stuff, it's Rose by a hair.

Derrick Rose was the most ATHLETIC point guard I've ever seen. If we're talking pure quickness, vertical leaping ability, forward speed, agility, and body control, Rose is at the top of my list. Russell is right up there with him though, just a bit lower. Pre-injury Rose to me for point guard athleticism is a 99, Russ is a 98.

The thing that really separates the two is their ferocity and mentality for the game. Rose is fearless about getting to the rim. Westbrook is fearless about taking the other team's soul. Rose will be content with contorting his body and finishing with a sweet layup. Westbrook has no fear of rising up and straight up destroying the rim.

[JohnMax]

Combine #'s coming out of college:

3/4th's Court Sprint:

Westbrook - 3.08
Rose - 3.05

Lane Agility:

Westbrook - 10.98
Rose - 11.69

[ImKobe]

Rose to me looks a bit quicker when driving to the basket, but Westbrook is more explosive on dunks & layups.

[JohnMax]

Different styles of athleticism.

If I remember correctly, Westbrook or his dad was a long jump champion. Which is probably why he has a longer stride and seems to run effortlessly.

Rose is very explosive, so change of speed, agility, and vert are his specialties. Speed is probably even but look different due to stride length

[Graviton]

As someone who has specifically watched both of them for 2-3 years, I would say Rose was the more agile and "athletic" one. He had a higher vertical and quicker acceleration. And his body control and lateral quickness was on another level. Westbrook's dunks travel and graze the rim as well, he doesn't get up as high as 2011 Rose. Derrick's jams got through the top and were cleaner.

Rose didn't go ham often, but when he did he bottled that explosiveness and executed a smooth acrobatic layup while gliding along the paint. Westbrook on the other hand just explodes like a grenade, he goes berserk at every opportunity, the sound rims make when he dunks I have only heard from Lebron's tomahawks.

I think in the draft numbers, Rose has the advantage in most categories they measured.

[JohnFreeman]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/7067db66327ddb5d206d000a92599e38/tumblr_mrjzownT7D1roog4vo1_500.gif

[Milbuck]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m81c9bU0Wp1rty0sjo1_500.gif

[Smook A.]

This right here... is art

http://25.media.tumblr.com/fd6f115e3804a0e7c7b1da43180abe8b/tumblr_muyuwp1WzP1r1wa5ao1_500.gif

[Graviton]

If people have forgotten how ****ing amazing Rose was, please watch this full video and remember what we lost after his injury. :(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q8Cx85w-uw

[Graviton]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wv8lR6mQ1rty0sjo1_500.gif

[Graviton]

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2012/08/WestbrookGIF.gif

[JohnFreeman]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Derrick-Rose-Ball-Between-Knees-Dunk-New-York-Knicks.gif

[Milbuck]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7wv8lR6mQ1rty0sjo1_500.gif
I wish there were gifs of the 2 sick fast break dunks he had from that same game. He was just a blur, insanely fast.

[JohnFreeman]

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2247824/derrick-rose-vs-heat-o.gif

[Smook A.]

Derrick Rose blocks the GOAT

http://24.media.tumblr.com/1e315a6a98b721823c2f3dbedf634ef9/tumblr_mucwilVVxM1rc9kago1_400.gif

[JohnFreeman]

I loved this game, I laughed so hard at the Lakers. Kobe with the clutch turnover :oldlol:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwssngerN41qf0deho1_500.gif

[Smook A.]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8mra189jq1rty0sjo1_500.gif


Rose's Reaction...
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8mra189jq1rty0sjo2_500.gif

[Pointguard]

Dont be stupid. The Bulls team is made for a PG that can create his own shot. Nate Robinson got them just as many playoff wins against the Heat as Rose did. And it's likely DJ Augustin would do the same. Who are these guys? Role players.

Fact is that Westbrook is a killer and an alpha who is dying to get out there and play. Can't say the same about Rose.

Westbrook on the Bulls would put them over the Pacers and a tougher out for Miami.
Westbrook is a beta that holds back his alpha from leading his team to a better record. Westbrook never lead a team and was turnover prone when the focus wasn't on him. Put Rose on okc and no way they don't have the best record the last two years. In fact, there is no way okc doesn't have the best record this year WITHOUT Westbrook. Its not like the Bulls needed more turnovers that year as I don't know what he's bringing that's positive Rose didn't.

Instead of filling the gap when Rose left as the numero uno, Westbrook can not be considered bettered than Wall, Curry, Kyrie or Paul. He's more like numero cinco than number two. And if he was playing as the main offensive weapon like those guys were his driving lanes would be cut off and his sloppy play even worse. Much less if he was the guy focused on. As a point guard the key qualities of protecting the ball and making the best decision he's far from the best at... even on his own team.

Westbrook is a beast of a slashed tho.

[ArbitraryWater]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mebxwcKIoD1rs5ngxo1_500.jpg

[Rocketswin2013]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mebxwcKIoD1rs5ngxo1_500.jpg
You really gonna sit here and post fake Westbrook stats? And show the percentages, and TO's.

[Rocketswin2013]

Whoops, not fake. But show the percentages and TO's.

[ArbitraryWater]

Whoops, not fake. But show the percentages and TO's.

RW: 44.2% FG - 3.9 TO's
DR: 44.5% FG - 3.4 TO's

:confusedshrug:

Hardly a difference.

2011/2012:

Rose: 21.8 / 3.4 / 7.9 / 0.9 - 43.5% FG
Russ: 23.6 / 4.6 / 5.5 / 1.7 - 45.7% FG

Westbrook is the better player :confusedshrug:

In fact, I'd take Westbrook 2012 over Rose 2011

[nathanjizzle]

raw physicality, i would say russell has the edge.

but derrick rose is equipped with lots of finesse and rhythmatic moves that makes him deadlier.

[nathanjizzle]

RW: 44.2% FG - 3.9 TO's
DR: 44.5% FG - 3.4 TO's

:confusedshrug:

Hardly a difference.

2011/2012:

Rose: 21.8 / 3.4 / 7.9 / 0.9 - 43.5% FG
Russ: 23.6 / 4.6 / 5.5 / 1.7 - 45.7% FG

Westbrook is the better player :confusedshrug:

In fact, I'd take Westbrook 2012 over Rose 2011

why? when rose produces 28.5 points and 7 assists against elite teams, and westbrook had under 20 points and 6 assists.

[moe94]

RW: 44.2% FG - 3.9 TO's
DR: 44.5% FG - 3.4 TO's

:confusedshrug:

Hardly a difference.

2011/2012:

Rose: 21.8 / 3.4 / 7.9 / 0.9 - 43.5% FG
Russ: 23.6 / 4.6 / 5.5 / 1.7 - 45.7% FG

Westbrook is the better player :confusedshrug:

In fact, I'd take Westbrook 2012 over Rose 2011

TOLD

Why they hell do people act like Rose/Westbrook aren't essentially the same and cancel each other out, for the most part? Rose was great but so is Westbrook. What's so hard to accept?

[dannywpt]

https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/t1.0-9/11803_420238291343425_1788648739_n.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY-pw-Qs9vw

[STATUTORY]

rose was a better two foot leaper and maybe body control to give him a more agile aura but westbrook was better in everything else

[Pointguard]

RW: 44.2% FG - 3.9 TO's
DR: 44.5% FG - 3.4 TO's

:confusedshrug:

Hardly a difference.

2011/2012:

Rose: 21.8 / 3.4 / 7.9 / 0.9 - 43.5% FG
Russ: 23.6 / 4.6 / 5.5 / 1.7 - 45.7% FG

Westbrook is the better player :confusedshrug:

In fact, I'd take Westbrook 2012 over Rose 2011
hater, hater couch potater, if your criteria is stats on a hurt year then Westbrook isn't a top five point guard. Please name the skills, qualities, traits, gifts that you think Westbrook is better than Rose. Or are you only capable of comparing a hurt main players stats against a helpers healthy year?

[ImKobe]

hater, hater couch potater, if your criteria is stats on a hurt year then Westbrook isn't a top five point guard. Please name the skills, qualities, traits, gifts that you think Westbrook is better than Rose. Or are you only capable of comparing a hurt main players stats against a helpers healthy year?

Westbrook is a better passer & a better shooter & definitely a better defender. Rose as the main guy when healthy averaged about the same ppg Westbrook averaged last year as a "helper".

Rose's MVP season trumps anything Westbrook has done so far, but I'm afraid it was Rose's peak & he's not going back to that form anymore. Penny vol 2.

[Pointguard]

rose was a better two foot leaper and maybe body control to give him a more agile aura but westbrook was better in everything else
Really, you can't tell aura's from reality?
Can you name something's?

[Pointguard]

Westbrook is a better passer & a better shooter & definitely a better defender. Rose as the main guy when healthy averaged about the same ppg Westbrook averaged last year as a "helper".

Rose's MVP season trumps anything Westbrook has done so far, but I'm afraid it was Rose's peak & he's not going back to that form anymore. Penny vol 2.
He wasn't a better shooter at that time and he wasn't near him as a passer. Not even remotely close. Where did you get that from?

If somebody is the main focus of the defense its very different than being secondary. You have a problem with that?

[Budadiiii]

Rose was more athletic and had more functional basketball talent but just didn't have the motor Westbrook does. Nobody does actually, but the guys games are so similar so Westbrook's motor makes him a more impactful player.

Off the court it's not even close. Westbrook came back from his injuries like it was nothing and it already better than ever. Putting up insane stats and the same confident, strong-minded animal.

Rose is still balled up in the fetal position eating skittles. Laughable comparison.

Give me Westbrook all day, every day, and twice on April 28th, 2012.

[Rodmantheman]

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m81c9bU0Wp1rty0sjo1_500.gif

no wonder this guy gets injured all the time look how awkward that landing was.

[ImKobe]

He wasn't a better shooter at that time and he wasn't near him as a passer. Not even remotely close. Where did you get that from?

If somebody is the main focus of the defense its very different than being secondary. You have a problem with that?

No one cares about "at the time". Rose is done as far as being a superstar anyways. Russ became the better player in 2012.

[Budadiiii]

no wonder this guy gets injured all the time look how awkward that landing was.
Ironically dude gets injured just doing normal running movements.

His preventative work ethic is terrible. He doesn't go the extra mile to eat the right food, do the right stretches, get the proper rest, or take the right supplements EVERY SINGLE DAY.

He would rather eat skittles and rely on natural ability so he gets what he deserves.

He's a ****ing moron who can't see the big picture, ever. It's so ****ing apparent how stupid his whole lifestyle is and how he deals with challenges.

Like watching a ****ing 7 year old boy or something. Dude is not self-reliant. I literally think he's legally retarded or something.

[Pointguard]

No one cares about "at the time". Rose is done as far as being a superstar anyways. Russ became the better player in 2012.

When Rose was playing hurt and came down several notches. That's when most people shorten the gap.

[derb2k2]

Ironically dude gets injured just doing normal running movements.

His preventative work ethic is terrible. He doesn't go the extra mile to eat the right food, do the right stretches, get the proper rest, or take the right supplements EVERY SINGLE DAY.

He would rather eat skittles and rely on natural ability so he gets what he deserves.

He's a ****ing moron who can't see the big picture, ever. It's so ****ing apparent how stupid his whole lifestyle is and how he deals with challenges.

Like watching a ****ing 7 year old boy or something. Dude is not self-reliant. I literally think he's legally retarded or something.

his brain IS a skittle.


:coleman:

[iznogood]

Westbrook seems stronger.

[STATUTORY]

Really, you can't tell aura's from reality?
Can you name something's?

I'm not sure what you mean

[tmacattack33]

First step = Rose.

Westbrook probably wins everything else though...and especially lateral quickness