Can a dwade lover help me understand these stats?

[Dr. Ice]

Credit to a random fb post

163-116 with Shaq - 58% - 1 title
215-79 with Lebron - 73% - 2 titles
378-195 with Shaq & Lebron(combined records) - 66% - 3 titles
139-156 WITHOUT Shaq and Lebron - 47% - 0 titles

:confusedshrug:

[Random_Guy]

Credit to a random fb post

163-116 with Shaq - 58% - 1 title
215-79 with Lebron - 73% - 2 titles
378-195 with Shaq & Lebron(combined records) - 66% - 3 titles
139-156 WITHOUT Shaq and Lebron - 47% - 0 titles

:confusedshrug:
you win more when playing with great players?:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Wade is simply nowhere close to being as impactful as those two guys which is not a shame.
he is one of the best offensive all around players ever doe when healthy or lets say when he was healthy and in his prime.
sometimes it looks that when he scores huge its not really helping the team and i dont really know why:biggums:

[Rodmantheman]

What is kobe record without Shaq and Gasol?

[Papaya Petee]

2003-2004 Rookie year Wade leads a team to a 42-40 record
2008-2009 Prime Wade leads a shit show to a 43-39 record
2009-2010 Prime Wade leads a shit show to a 47-35 record

Aside from that 2007-2008 disaster where Wade had to take the rest of the year off to recover from injuries and had Mark Blount, Chris Quinn, and Udonis Haslem as his best players, he was carrying scrub casts to winning records.

[AintNoSunshine]

Credit to a random fb post

163-116 with Shaq - 58% - 1 title
215-79 with Lebron - 73% - 2 titles
378-195 with Shaq & Lebron(combined records) - 66% - 3 titles
139-156 WITHOUT Shaq and Lebron - 47% - 0 titles

:confusedshrug:


Is this serious?:wtf:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

:biggums:

[r15mohd]

2003-2004 Rookie year Wade leads a team to a 42-40 record
2008-2009 Prime Wade leads a shit show to a 43-39 record
2009-2010 Prime Wade leads a shit show to a 47-35 record

Aside from that 2007-2008 disaster where Wade had to take the rest of the year off to recover from injuries and had Mark Blount, Chris Quinn, and Udonis Haslem as his best players, he was carrying scrub casts to winning records.


other players have done good things with scrub teammates though...it's not a knock on Wade tho, he's just not on that level compared to those who have been able to (literally) carry the team. Lebron and AI come to mind

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Wade stans will hate this thread and avoid it like the plague:D :D
where you at Aj:roll:

[LeGOAT]

Basketball is a team sport :confusedshrug: Those post Shaq teams were god awful.

[Vertical-24]

Honestly, it's not very hard to understand. You see....basketball is a team sport. When you have a better team with better pieces around you...you will probably see better results. LeBron and Shaq are two all-time great players. Having them on your team will probably enhance your team's chances of success. As a matter of fact, using the statistics you have provided, it HAS proven to make those teams more successful.

See? That wasn't that hard. :)

[Dr Hawk]

Was Wade supposed to win a title with Beasley, Marion, Jermaine and Haslem?

[LeGOAT]

Was Wade supposed to win a title with Beasley, Marion, Jermaine and Haslem?
How can you forget Chris Quinn?:bowdown:

[navy]

Wade stans will hate this thread and avoid it like the plague:D :D
where you at Aj:roll:
:facepalm

Wade's second best player has been Udonis Haslem.

[Dr Hawk]

How can you forget Chris Quinn?:bowdown:

Oh my Lord, sorry for I have sinned :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

:facepalm

Wade's second best player has been Udonis Haslem.
i know but lebron would still have carried this trash further than Wade.
im not in here actin like Wade should have won a ship or made the finals with that cast

[navy]

i know but lebron would still have carried this trash further than Wade.
im not in here actin like Wade should have won a ship or made the finals with that cast
Lebron is one of the GOAT regular season carrier. :confusedshrug:

[Papaya Petee]

other players have done good things with scrub teammates though...it's not a knock on Wade tho, he's just not on that level compared to those who have been able to (literally) carry the team. Lebron and AI come to mind
Dude Wade played 50 games that season while recovering from a shoulder injury playing on no knees. He had to take the rest of the year off because he couldn't play anymore.

His starters were Chris Quinn, Mark Blount, Udonis Haslem, and Dorell Wright. That team started off the season something like 0-12 without him and finished losing almost the last 20 straight games without him.

They were bringing up D-Leaguers left and right hoping they can make impact. That Heat team aside from Wade has an argument for the WOAT team. No player is carrying that team to 35 wins, never mind playoffs.

[Papaya Petee]

i know but lebron would still have carried this trash further than Wade.
im not in here actin like Wade should have won a ship or made the finals with that cast
No he wouldn't have. Wade was the best player in the league in 2008-2009 and they only won 43 games with Wade only missing 2 games.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Dude Wade played 50 games that season while recovering from a shoulder injury playing on no knees. He had to take the rest of the year off because he couldn't play anymore.

His starters were Chris Quinn, Mark Blount, Udonis Haslem, and Dorell Wright. That team started off the season something like 0-12 without him and finished losing almost the last 20 straight games without him.

They were bringing up D-Leaguers left and right hoping they can make impact. That Heat team aside from Wade has an argument for the WOAT team. No player is carrying that team to 35 wins, never mind playoffs.
LeBron would have carried them into the playoffs no doubt:coleman:

[the wise man]

Phuck wade

STD's

wade : a lot

lebron:0

Having a baby with another woman while being engaged:

wade:1
bran:0

Rings gifted by the refs

wade:1
bran:0

Getting your team knocked out of the playoffs because you want the FMVP
wade:1
bran:0

I hope Riley trade his HGH filled ass.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Phuck wade

STD's

wade : a lot

lebron:0

Having a baby with another woman while being engaged:

wade:1
bran:0

Rings gifted by the refs

wade:1
bran:0

Getting your team knocked out of the playoffs because you want the FMVP
wade:1
bran:0

I hope Riley trade his HGH filled ass.
:applause: :applause:

[Rocketswin2013]

I'm starting to feel bad for Heat fans. Having single player only fans come in and bash the franchise's most valuable player. Like really? You're gonna bash Dwade? It's ****ing Dwyane Wade.

[Rodmantheman]

Phuck wade

STD's

wade : a lot

lebron:0

Having a baby with another woman while being engaged:

wade:1
bran:0

Rings gifted by the refs

wade:1
bran:0

Getting your team knocked out of the playoffs because you want the FMVP
wade:1
bran:0

I hope Riley trade his HGH filled ass.

:facepalm

[Akhenaten]

07-08 Heat Roster:

Blake Ahearn
Joel Anthony
Marcus Banks
Earl Barron
Mark Blount
Daequan Cook
Ricky Davis
Anfernee Hardaway :roll:
Udonis Haslem
Luke Jackson
Alexander Johnson
Bobby Jones
Stephane Lasme
Shawn Marion
Alonzo Mourning
Smush Parker
Kasib Powell
Chris Quinn
Dwyane Wade
Jason Williams PG 6-1 190 November 18, 1975 9 University of Florida
Dorell Wright

Lebron and AI didn't have super teams but they had ELITE rebounding/defensive frontcourts and great shooters.

that 07-08 roster was LITERALLY a d-league roster, garbage shooters, garbage bigs, garbage guards, just no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

add his durability issues and there you go.

[derb2k2]

nice try, OP. As mentioned, it's a team game and even though Wade is one of the more impactful players ever, can't win playing 1 vs. 5. Literally.


FAHGOT

[PJR]

I'm starting to feel bad for Heat fans. Having single player only fans come in and bash the franchise's most valuable player. Like really? You're gonna bash Dwade? It's ****ing Dwyane Wade.

No need to feel sorry for us. No one pays any mind to these dudes.


At the end of the day, the jokes on them. The three NBA titles that the Heat have already won, and may win in the future, they will never feel that genuine or authentic joy that comes from rooting for your home town team. Bunch of Fugazzis. Most of these clowns are just Europeans with internet access. No true regional affiliation. No local connection to the Heat whatsoever.

Won't ever seen any of these dudes at a game in the Triple A (not that they can afford Heat tickets anyway). You will never see any of these dudes at the Parade down Biscayne BLVD. They'll be celebrating LeBron's individual accomplishments from their computer screens.

The joke is on them. :oldlol:

[Mass Debator]

Lebron without Wade = 0 titles
Lebron without Wade this year = sub 50% record

[Akrazotile]

Phuck wade

STD's

wade : a lot

lebron:0

Having a baby with another woman while being engaged:

wade:1
bran:0

Rings gifted by the refs

wade:1
bran:0

Getting your team knocked out of the playoffs because you want the FMVP
wade:1
bran:0

I hope Riley trade his HGH filled ass.



THis gave me lulz

[JohnMax]

Who do you guys would say are the most impactful players in the NBA?

1 Lebron
2 Nash
3 CP3
4 Wall

Players that I notice who's team wins alot of games because of them

[Andrei89]

D-Wades hart and determination > Lebron

Not taking away from Lebron though, he is one of the All Time greats.

[r15mohd]

Dude Wade played 50 games that season while recovering from a shoulder injury playing on no knees. He had to take the rest of the year off because he couldn't play anymore.

His starters were Chris Quinn, Mark Blount, Udonis Haslem, and Dorell Wright. That team started off the season something like 0-12 without him and finished losing almost the last 20 straight games without him.

They were bringing up D-Leaguers left and right hoping they can make impact. That Heat team aside from Wade has an argument for the WOAT team. No player is carrying that team to 35 wins, never mind playoffs.


and what about Wade's healthy seasons as the star? :confusedshrug: he's a great player, he just needs a second body to help get past the 1st round...and nothing is wrong with that. many greats needed that too, MJ wasn't a "winner" until Pippen came along

[Milbuck]

other players have done good things with scrub teammates though...it's not a knock on Wade tho, he's just not on that level compared to those who have been able to (literally) carry the team. Lebron and AI come to mind
Did you seriously just ****ing say that Wade is not on AI's level?

[sketchy]

People underrating Wade. Typical. The facts are right in front of you and you guys choose to ignore it to boost your own agenda.

[r15mohd]

Did you seriously just ****ing say that Wade is not on AI's level?

you would assume that when you dont understand context of a sentence :facepalm

take an egnlish course, re-read and then post

[Dr Hawk]

Did you seriously just ****ing say that Wade is not on AI's level?

He is not on AI's level, Wade is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy higher.

[AirFederer]

i know but lebron would still have carried this trash further than Wade.
im not in here actin like Wade should have won a ship or made the finals with that cast
What's your point? Is Wade's beasting scaring lelbron stans? :lol

Won a ship? :facepalm

[r15mohd]

People underrating Wade. Typical. The facts are right in front of you and you guys choose to ignore it to boost your own agenda.


no one is under rating him...but many (primarily Lebron haters and AJ) think he's still FMVP Wade today, he's clearly not

[sketchy]

Credit to a random fb post

163-116 with Shaq - 58% - 1 title
215-79 with Lebron - 73% - 2 titles
378-195 with Shaq & Lebron(combined records) - 66% - 3 titles
139-156 WITHOUT Shaq and Lebron - 47% - 0 titles

:confusedshrug:
Only dropping to 47% without two all time greats? That's actually pretty good considering most of those games were played in his formative years (when most guys don't have much effect on winning games) or when his first champ team was completely dismantled and he was battling injuries. At the end of the day he's been the best or 2nd best player on 3 championship teams and 1 runner-up.

[sketchy]

no one is under rating him...but many (primarily Lebron haters and AJ) think he's still FMVP Wade today, he's clearly not
This is true. You're right.

[Milbuck]

you would assume that when you dont understand context of a sentence :facepalm

take an egnlish course, re-read and then post
Please explain to me what I didn't understand correctly. You stated that Wade isn't on the level of players who could carry their teams. Then proceeded to mention Lebron and AI as players who could carry their teams.

Unless of course, you were grouping Wade WITH Lebron and AI as players who couldn't carry their teammates. Which is just as ludicrous.

[red1]

you aren't winning many games when rookie beasley is your second option

[russwest0]

Has Wade ever won a finals series without Dan Crawford officiating it?

[NumberSix]

It's a team sport. Mystery solved.


/thread

[AnaheimLakers24]

"cheat fans" bashing wade like crazy in here

[red1]

Has Wade ever won a finals series without Dan Crawford officiating it?
Always makes me facepalm when I see an okc fan talking about refs. Are you incapable of realizing the levels of home-cooking the refs give your team?

[NumberSix]

Always makes me facepalm when I see an okc fan talking about refs. Are you incapable of realizing the levels of home-cooking the refs give your team?
He's not an OKC fan. He doesn't even like Westbrook either.

[ArbitraryWater]

Post is dumb and useless.

[aj1987]

Wade stans will hate this thread and avoid it like the plague:D :D
where you at Aj:roll:
Right here, you stupid turd. Unlike you, I don't really have time to post 50 times a day and reply to threads 10 seconds after it has been created.


no one is under rating him...but many (primarily Lebron haters and AJ) think he's still FMVP Wade today, he's clearly not

You do know that Billups and Pierce won FMVP's averaging ~21/5/5, right? Wade's currently averaging 20/5/5 for the season. Also, I never said that Wade is still the '06 FMVP Wade. I did however say that Wade is still a star and deserving of more that $5M a year (you said he's not worth more than that). :facepalm

Also, is this thread for real? Dumbass kids don't even know what was going on 6-8 years ago.

[plowking]

no one is under rating him...but many (primarily Lebron haters and AJ) think he's still FMVP Wade today, he's clearly not

He is most certainly capable of winning a FMVP.

[MichaelCorleone]

Credit to a random fb post

163-116 with Shaq - 58% - 1 title
215-79 with Lebron - 73% - 2 titles
378-195 with Shaq & Lebron(combined records) - 66% - 3 titles
139-156 WITHOUT Shaq and Lebron - 47% - 0 titles

:confusedshrug:
DWade is a glorified role-player whose entire career is built on the shoulders of giants like Shaq and Lebron.

[tgan3]

Ya it should have been something like that...

With Shaq -- 47% - 0 title
With Lebron -- 40% - 0 title
w/o Shaq and Lebron -- 88% - 5 titles

Good work OP for pointing that out :applause:

[Bandito]

How can you forget Chris Quinn?:bowdown:
h000?

[plowking]

DWade is a glorified role-player whose entire career is built on the shoulders of giants like Shaq and Lebron.

You're an idiot. End yourself.

[MichaelCorleone]

You're an idiot. End yourself.
You're a disgrace to the Heat fanbase for siding with Wade.

Wade has been nothing but a BURDEN since 2012, getting carried by Lebron. Has the cheek to nickname himself Three. How about "One + The 2 Lebron gave me".

[red1]

You're a disgrace to the Heat fanbase for siding with Wade.

Wade has been nothing but a BURDEN since 2012, getting carried by Lebron. Has the cheek to nickname himself Three. How about "One + The 2 Lebron gave me".
:crazysam:

[kennethgriffin]

What is kobe record without Shaq and Gasol?


ISH... where putting top 150 player all time Pau Gasol on the same level as Shaquille O'neal and Lebron James ( 2 of the 10 greatest legends of all time ).............happens

[moe94]

You're a disgrace to the Heat fanbase for siding with Wade.

Wade has been nothing but a BURDEN since 2012, getting carried by Lebron. Has the cheek to nickname himself Three. How about "One + The 2 Lebron gave me".

Wade gave himself the nickname WOW. Apparently it stands for Way of Wade. :biggums:

[MichaelCorleone]

Wade gave himself the nickname WOW. Apparently it stands for Way of Wade. :biggums:
It couldn't catch on, now his Twitter name is "Three", ungrateful POS, should have put "Thanks Lebron" as his Twitter nick.

[plowking]

You're a disgrace to the Heat fanbase for siding with Wade.

Wade has been nothing but a BURDEN since 2012, getting carried by Lebron. Has the cheek to nickname himself Three. How about "One + The 2 Lebron gave me".

You're so corny and unoriginal. How does it feel to be a loser at life?

[Just2McFly]

ISH... where putting top 150 player all time Pau Gasol on the same level as Shaquille O'neal and Lebron James ( 2 of the 10 greatest legends of all time ).............happens


Gasol is just a top 150 player now?:oldlol:

[jrong]

other players have done good things with scrub teammates though...it's not a knock on Wade tho, he's just not on that level compared to those who have been able to (literally) carry the team. Lebron and AI come to mind

What the hell are you talking about? Wade has carried a team as far as Kobe has without any help, Game 7 of Round 1, and losing to a team with HCA. And the teams he carried to the playoffs were the worst supporting cast since at least Kobe and the days of Smush Parker. Wade opened the 09 season with Chalmers (rookie), Jamario Moon, Udonis Haslem, and Joel Anthony as his other starters.

He's missed the playoffs once in his career, when he played in a a shoulder sling all year in 2008. Other than that, he's been to the postseason every year and had a winning record every year, with or without LeBron or Shaq. The record without either is skewed by the one season he couldn't get to the playoffs.

And that's a neat trick trying to equate his teaming with Shaq, to whom he never deferred and was carrying after one regular season, to his teaming with LeBron, to whom he did eventually cede control.

And gtfo trying to compare Iverson to Wade. Players that do everything > players that do two things. Fifty percent plus shooters > fourty percent shooters.

People try to get cute with these threads because nobody else is equipped to rip them to shreds I guess, but I wish the OP had come with better arguments, because this is ****ing tee ball. The attempted argument is so abject in its lack of critical thinking, it's actually embarrassing.

[JohnFreeman]

Jordan
Wade
Kobe
West

[97 bulls]

In all fairness, the 2008-09 roster wasnt that bad. Jermaine O'Neal wasn't a bad player. Haslem was solid so was Beasley. Even if he never lived up to his being the second pick in the draft.

They only won 43 games goodness sake. In a shitty conference. Put that team in the Western conference and they probably win 35-38.

[97 bulls]

I must say that the OP isn't being fair to Wade. Nobody has been able to win without sufficient support. The Heats 08-09 season should hardly be any kind of indictment on Wade

[aj1987]

In all fairness, the 2008-09 roster wasnt that bad. Jermaine O'Neal wasn't a bad player. Haslem was solid so was Beasley. Even if he never lived up to his being the second pick in the draft.

They only won 43 games goodness sake. In a shitty conference. Put that team in the Western conference and they probably win 35-38.
O'Neal played 27 games and averaged 13 and 5. Beasley was a rookie and could literally play no defense. He was only decent on the offensive end due to the shots that Wade was getting him. Daequan Cook played 25 minutes a game. That dude is 25 now and no NBA team wants him. Playing in Europe. Yakhouba Diawara (you might not know who he is) started in over 20 games and is in Europe as well. Joel Anthony started in 30 games. The starting PG, Chalmers, was a rookie. The only decent players the Heat had were Haslem (11/8) and Marion (who got traded after half the season).

That team was just a bunch of D-Leaguers. Wade averaging 30/8/5/2/1 on near 50% and playing DPOY defense got them to 43 wins.

It was that bad.

[97 bulls]

O'Neal played 27 games and averaged 13 and 5. Beasley was a rookie and could literally play no defense. He was only decent on the offensive end due to the shots that Wade was getting him. Daequan Cook played 25 minutes a game. That dude is 25 now and no NBA team wants him. Playing in Europe. Yakhouba Diawara (you might not know who he is) started in over 20 games and is in Europe as well. Joel Anthony started in 30 games. The starting PG, Chalmers, was a rookie. The only decent players the Heat had were Haslem (11/8) and Marion (who got traded after half the season).

That team was just a bunch of D-Leaguers. Wade averaging 30/8/5/2/1 on near 50% and playing DPOY defense got them to 43 wins.

It was that bad.
They only won 43 games bro in a terribly bad conference. Whats so special about that? The 08-09 Bulls had more injuries and extremely youg inexperienced players and they only lost two more games than the Heat. Should we give just as much respect to Ben Gordon?

[aj1987]

They only won 43 games bro in a terribly bad conference. Whats so special about that? The 08-09 Bulls had more injuries and extremely youg inexperienced players and they only lost two more games than the Heat. Should we give just as much respect to Ben Gordon?
The East had 2 60 win teams and one with 59 wins. The West had 6 teams that won under 30 games. The East had 1. You can stop with the "West was much better than the East" crap. IIRC, they pretty much had an even record against each other. The Bulls had Gordon, Noah, Deng, Rose, etc. A more rounded team than the Heat. They had 9 players scoring in the double digits (when they were with the Bulls). Also, you are so quick to point out that the Bulls were young and inexperienced, but didn't you say that Beasley was a "solid" player? A ROOKIE Beasley.
Miami had a rookie PG, a rookie SF, and a rookie coach. Half the team is either in Europe or the D-League or are third stringers at best now. Oh, and did I mention that most of them are in their athletic primes? That's how bad that team was.

I never said that the '09 Heat were special. Without Wade, that team would've won under 10 games. That team was absolutely carried by Wade. Dude was 3rd in MVP and DPOY voting that year.

[Akhenaten]

The East had 2 60 win teams and one with 59 wins. The West had 6 teams that won under 30 games. The East had 1. You can stop with the "West was much better than the East" crap. IIRC, they pretty much had an even record against each other. The Bulls had Gordon, Noah, Deng, Rose, etc. A more rounded team than the Heat. They had 9 players scoring in the double digits (when they were with the Bulls). Also, you are so quick to point out that the Bulls were young and inexperienced, but didn't you say that Beasley was a "solid" player? A ROOKIE Beasley.
Miami had a rookie PG, a rookie SF, and a rookie coach. Half the team is either in Europe or the D-League or are third stringers at best now. Oh, and did I mention that most of them are in their athletic primes? That's how bad that team was.

I never said that the '09 Heat were special. Without Wade, that team would've won under 10 games. That team was absolutely carried by Wade. Dude was 3rd in MVP and DPOY voting that year.

Damn, you shut that moron down.

especially with worn out "east sucks" argument, this cretin didnt even bother to check to see how it was that season, just robotically regurgitated dumb azz rhetoric smh.

[detroitdogg]

other players have done good things with scrub teammates though...it's not a knock on Wade tho, he's just not on that level compared to those who have been able to (literally) carry the team. Lebron and AI come to mind
Kobe missed the playoffs and lost in the 1st round the 2 years he had a scrub team. With good teams Kobe has lost in the playoffs being swept by the Mavs. Last year with a HOF team they barely made the playoffs. **** outta here *****.

Lebron did not make the playoffs his first 2 years in the league. AI missed the playoffs numerous times.

WTF are you lame ****** talking about?

[97 bulls]

The East had 2 60 win teams and one with 59 wins. The West had 6 teams that won under 30 games. The East had 1. You can stop with the "West was much better than the East" crap. IIRC, they pretty much had an even record against each other. The Bulls had Gordon, Noah, Deng, Rose, etc. A more rounded team than the Heat. They had 9 players scoring in the double digits (when they were with the Bulls). Also, you are so quick to point out that the Bulls were young and inexperienced, but didn't you say that Beasley was a "solid" player? A ROOKIE Beasley.
Miami had a rookie PG, a rookie SF, and a rookie coach. Half the team is either in Europe or the D-League or are third stringers at best now. Oh, and did I mention that most of them are in their athletic primes? That's how bad that team was.

I never said that the '09 Heat were special. Without Wade, that team would've won under 10 games. That team was absolutely carried by Wade. Dude was 3rd in MVP and DPOY voting that year.
How bout comparing the playoff teams? Dont wanna do that huh? The 43 wins that the Heat got that year betted them a fifth seed in the East. In the West? They wouldn't even qualify. Theyd have the tenth best record in the West.

And there is a tremendous difference between a team of vets like the Heat and a team of inexperienced (yet talented) players like what the Bulls had. Their best player was only 20. The avg age of that core team was 22. Their best scorer in Ben Gordon couldnt even start for the Pistons. The fact is it didnt take much to break even or be slightly above.500 in that era of the East.

And for life of me. Since when do we assess the ability of a team on how good their bottom four players are? The CORE of that team Wade, Haslem, Marion or O'neal, Cook, Beasley, and Chalmers have made their mark on the league. Am I saying they were world beaters? No. But were theyr good to solid players? Absolutely.

[aj1987]

How bout comparing the playoff teams? Dont wanna do that huh? The 43 wins that the Heat got that year betted them a fifth seed in the East. In the West? They wouldn't even qualify. Theyd have the tenth best record in the West.
The West definitely top heavy, but the East was more balanced. The East had the 1, 3, and 4 best teams in the league and didn't have teams that were as bad as the bottom 7 seeds of the WC (outside of the Wizards).


And there is a tremendous difference between a team of vets like the Heat and a team of inexperienced (yet talented) players like what the Bulls had. Their best player was only 20. The avg age of that core team was 22. Their best scorer in Ben Gordon couldnt even start for the Pistons. The fact is it didnt take much to break even or be slightly above.500 in that era of the East.
LOL! Are you serious? Miami's starting PG and SF were rookies.


And for life of me. Since when do we assess the ability of a team on how good their bottom four players are? The CORE of that team Wade, Haslem, Marion or O'neal, Cook, Beasley, and Chalmers have made their mark on the league. Am I saying they were world beaters? No. But were theyr good to solid players? Absolutely.
:oldlol:

Marion and O'Neal played 42 and 27 games. O'Neal was washed up and Marion was having a terrible season. I remember being excited when we got him, but dude sucked ass. Chalmers was a ROOKIE and even after 5 years in the league, dude sucks. Beasley was a ROOKIE as well and was BAD on the defensive end and had the BB IQ of a rock. Cook shot 37% for the SEASON and is currently in China. You really don't understand basketball or are just flat out making shit up, if you think ANY of them were "good to solid" on the Heat.

Here's what MJ had to say about Wade and his teammates that season, BTW.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66lVkgiU1zQ