Soccer/Football Current Players Tournament & Matchups

[cos88]

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alenleomessi vs iamgine

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9659896&postcount=1055

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660856&postcount=1068




kc16 vs Overdrive


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9659575&postcount=1051

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661517&postcount=1092

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[Nick Young]

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NYN has arrived. This thread has been marked as my territory.

The first votes coming soon...

[Nick Young]

The votes:
Overdrive vs KC16

I will need to hand this vote to Overdrive. KC16 has an alright attack but that midfield just isn't going to work. Cabaye and Kaka are both #10s and Yaya is a box to box player that KC is playing in a holding defensive mid role, which wastes everything good about him. The defense is not great either going on recent form, Dante has made several high profile mistakes and Dani Alvez just has never been a great defender. Neymar and Alaba will tear his flank apart. Alvez is great on Barca because they never lose the ball but I dont think this team can keep possession like Barca.

Overdrive's defense is amazing, the midfielders all would work together well and are played in their proper position, and Manzukic is one of the best targetman around, with Neymar providing all the flair and spark of creativity and ability to make something out of nothing.

final predicted score-2-0

next vote coming soon

[Mr Clutch Melo]

I vote for Overdrive and aleomessi.

Both by a good margin tbh.

[Nick Young]

The next vote:
iamgine vs alenleomessi
This matchup, my vote goes to iamgine. I believe with his setup of Cassano dropping deep, plus the players he has, his midfield would simply overwhelm Alenleomessis. Alenleomessi also has a very weak defense in this tournament compared to the other teams, and the midfield apart from Matuidi does not provide alot of great defensive cover for them. Lahm should be able to match up well with Hazard, and alenleomessi's fullbacks aren't strong enough offensively for him to properly exploit his numbers advantage on the flanks.

With the tactical setups as they are, Cassano, Fabregas and Cazorla have a ton of space right between Leo's midfield and defense where they will be able to do whatever they want. Those are three players you don't want to allow to do whatever they want and give so much space to.

Also, Alenleomessi doesn't really ever talk about his tactical set up, or game plan or player instructions, only about how great each player is. Iamagine has a gameplan and his team has an identity, these two things are very important in a tournament like this.

Final predicted score: Iamagine 3-1 alenleomessi

[alenleomessi]

The next vote:
iamgine vs alenleomessi
This matchup, my vote goes to iamgine. I believe with his setup of Cassano dropping deep, plus the players he has, his midfield would simply overwhelm Alenleomessis. Alenleomessi also has a very weak defense in this tournament compared to the other teams, and the midfield apart from Matuidi does not provide alot of great defensive cover for them. Lahm should be able to match up well with Hazard, and alenleomessi's fullbacks aren't strong enough offensively for him to properly exploit his numbers advantage on the flanks.

With the tactical setups as they are, Cassano, Fabregas and Cazorla have a ton of space right between Leo's midfield and defense where they will be able to do whatever they want. Those are three players you don't want to allow to do whatever they want and give so much space to.

Also, Alenleomessi doesn't really ever talk about his tactical set up, or game plan or player instructions, only about how great each player is. Iamagine has a gameplan and his team has an identity, these two things are very important in a tournament like this.

Final predicted score: Iamagine 3-1 alenleomessi
the setup is passing, free flowing, attacking, keeping possession, playing from the flanks.. i dont really have to say that you would know it by looking at the team..

and lol at his midfield overwhelming me.. i have the best midfielder in the world, the best in the french league and the best in the bundes this season.
also lahm had huge problems against players like podolski and chamberlain so im not sure how well he will matchup against hazard. very weak defense hehe.. benatia is one of the best CBs in the world this season, coleman is the best full back in EPL alongside baines, and everton has the 2nd best defense in the EPL because of him and my other CB pick, the man in the middle Jagielka. My full backs arent strong enough offensively. Coentrao and Coleman are not strong enough offensively.. Those guys are ACTUALLY WINGBACKS AND HAVE PLAYED AS WINGERS IN THE PAST.

[cos88]

alenleomessi vs iamgine


one team is great on O the other one is great on D . not a fan of 4-2-2-2 of iamgine. you said you want passing and possession a thing del bosque is used to but nobody plays that tactic with only two players on each wing and for sure del bosque never played without a clasic wing ( 4-4-2 at real madrid , 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 at spain ). cassano has no buisness in this tournament, you should selected better than that, way to inconsistent this season. great defensive team and with superior players up front this team could go all through. alen is pretty bad on D with Benatia-Jagielka being the worst pair in the draft. iamgine's team has not enough fire power and i think i'll go with alen this mathcup.

[iamgine]

^I personally thought Cassano has been great this season and a partnership with Llorente is the perfect pairing. But opinion can vary.

[alenleomessi]

i dont expect from you people to watch everton and roma but surely you can do a quick f*cking research about those players

[cos88]

kc16 vs Overdrive


not a fan of kc16's midfield trio of yaya-cabaye-kaka. the brazilian is having another bad season as his milan team. if i was you i would put yaya a little higher on the field and replace kaka with a defensive midfielder. a box to box player is not enough to defend in this tournament and cabaye is not that good on the defensive side in my opinion. also why martino ? such a bad pick considering there are better coaches available.

Overdrive as 90% of you guys with offensive full backs. what's up with that? you will have to defend, you won't play osasuna in this tournament. also i don't like the overall selection, it like something is missing, not sure what. not a great defensive team at all.

not the best teams in the draft i have to go with kc16 in a close one

[Andrew Wiggins]

Alenleomessi vs. Iamgine

Both teams are decent defensively with a solid back 4 and good defensive mids shielding them. benatia has been one of the best defenders in the world this season and wins everything in the air .he was a steal where alen landed him. still, in this department i'd have to give the edge to iamgine who has the best fullback in the world and two physical, dominant defenders in terry and miranda. while his defense isn't quite as good, alen's attack is much better than gine's. iniesta, hazard, and lewandowski are the 3 best attacking players on the field. iamgine's formation is far too narrow for my liking as well. my vote goes to alen.

overdrive vs. kc16

individually, i would say that kc16 has better players in most positions than overdrive. both teams have solid defenses with one fullback who's a liability defensively. i'm not a fan of the willian, moura, tevez attack. i think both willian and especially lucas play better off bigger, target strikers than tevez. kaka is playing deeper than i would prefer and using yaya as a lone holding midfielder takes away from his immense box to box capabilities while i'm not convinced enough of cabaye defensively to let yaya venture forward with regularity.

i quite like the vision with which overdrive's team is built. alaba, for me, is the best left back in the world and is a world class crosser and excels in all forms of link up play. kroos and rakitic have incredible passing range and will be able to pick out defense splitting passes with regularity, especially to wingers with the speed of mertens and neymar. both kroos and rakitic also deliver great balls on set pieces and can score on free kicks. gustavo is not a stalworth on offense but he's proven that he's quite good as purely a defensive midfielder. mandzukic has shown he works very well in a system like this and i think he would be great for neymar to play off of. my vote goes to overdrive.

[Andrew Wiggins]

alenleomessi vs iamgine


one team is great on O the other one is great on D . not a fan of 4-2-2-2 of iamgine. you said you want passing and possession a thing del bosque is used to but nobody plays that tactic with only two players on each wing and for sure del bosque never played without a clasic wing ( 4-4-2 at real madrid , 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 at spain ). cassano has no buisness in this tournament, you should selected better than that, way to inconsistent this season. great defensive team and with superior players up front this team could go all through. alen is pretty bad on D with Benatia-Jagielka being the worst pair in the draft. iamgine's team has not enough fire power and i think i'll go with alen this mathcup.


alen's defense is pretty good. benatia is one of the best defenders in the world and would be starting for france if he hadn't chosen to play for morocco a few years ago. jagielka would pair nicely with him. he's pretty good positionally and distributes neatly out of the back. coleman isn't a great defender but he provides good with in the attack which is needed with james playing as an inverted winger.

[Nick Young]

the setup is passing, free flowing, attacking, keeping possession, playing from the flanks.. i dont really have to say that you would know it by looking at the team..

and lol at his midfield overwhelming me.. i have the best midfielder in the world, the best in the french league and the best in the bundes this season.
also lahm had huge problems against players like podolski and chamberlain so im not sure how well he will matchup against hazard. very weak defense hehe.. benatia is one of the best CBs in the world this season, coleman is the best full back in EPL alongside baines, and everton has the 2nd best defense in the EPL because of him and my other CB pick, the man in the middle Jagielka. My full backs arent strong enough offensively. Coentrao and Coleman are not strong enough offensively.. Those guys are ACTUALLY WINGBACKS AND HAVE PLAYED AS WINGERS IN THE PAST.
Coleman was a winger but not a very effective one, his best attributes are stamina and work rate. Contraeo is the same.

[cos88]

alen's defense is pretty good. benatia is one of the best defenders in the world and would be starting for france if he hadn't chosen to play for morocco a few years ago. jagielka would pair nicely with him. he's pretty good positionally and distributes neatly out of the back. coleman isn't a great defender but he provides good with in the attack which is needed with james playing as an inverted winger.


i don't agree. he has coleman - benatia - jagielka - coentrao - alcantara - matuidi.


alcantara is a central midfielder, coleman is a unexpierenced player that also isn't a good defender, jagielka is in normal circumstances a good one but there are at least 25 central defenders better than him in the draft. coentrao hasn't had a great season since his benfica days and is one of the worst singnings in the last 10 year. benatia is having a great season as matuidi is having at psg.


i'm seeing other teams in the draft and this is one or even the worst defensive teams.

[alenleomessi]

Coleman was a winger but not a very effective one, his best attributes are stamina and work rate. Contraeo is the same.
well i agree but that was in the past. he has absolutely gone apeshit this year under martinez. im paying a close attention to him this year since deulofeu mostly plays on the right flank and i swear i have never seen anyone f*ck around with coleman.. opponents actually prefer to go at baines

[kc16]

Though I'm using Yaya as a box to box, I am trusting my back line to protect the defense for me when he is attacking. Alves and Luis are used occasionally when we are going up front attacking, unless we are against a weak attacking opponent I don't mind them coming up front often. The plan for my team was to be a high paced attack which was the reason for the formation and coach, though their were better coaches out there, he was the only I can think of that would fit my team plan.

[alenleomessi]

i don't agree. he has coleman - benatia - jagielka - coentrao - alcantara - matuidi.


alcantara is a central midfielder, coleman is a unexpierenced player that also isn't a good defender, jagielka is in normal circumstances a good one but there are at least 25 central defenders better than him in the draft. coentrao hasn't had a great season since his benfica days and is one of the worst singnings in the last 10 year. benatia is having a great season as matuidi is having at psg.


i'm seeing other teams in the draft and this is one or even the worst defensive teams.
bayern are playing thiago in the position i am playing him and has had absolutely zero problems defensively.. martinez doesnt even play next to thiago.. its either schweini or kroos( who also plays AM ) who are both much worse than matuidi defensively.. thiago isnt a bad defender by any means

i got jagielka and coentrao latter in the draft and i dont think there were any better options.. i think i already said that coentrao is overpriced but that doesnt mean he is a bad player.. in some games this season he started over marcelo who is considered the 2nd best player at his position. so there is that

[cos88]

how about you guys start voting in this thread as well, so we can finnish it and start a new draft. just vote without any explanation if you want.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328527&page=12

[Nick Young]

bayern are playing thiago in the position i am playing him and has had absolutely zero problems defensively.. martinez doesnt even play next to thiago.. its either schweini or kroos( who also plays AM ) who are both much worse than matuidi defensively.. thiago isnt a bad defender by any means

i got jagielka and coentrao latter in the draft and i dont think there were any better options.. i think i already said that coentrao is overpriced but that doesnt mean he is a bad player.. in some games this season he started over marcelo who is considered the 2nd best player at his position. so there is that
Just pointing out, of course he starts over Marcelo, Real Madrid play 50+ games every year and Marcelo cannot play ever single one. Clearly he is first choice though. Also Marcelo is clearly the #1 left back in the world. I hope you don't rate Leighton Baines ahead of him #smallclub, #averagedefender #hashtagsRcool

Thiago isnt a bad defender but he is not great or imposing. Bayerns defense is clearly much weaker then last years and this can be attributed to Thiago often taking up the position of defensive midfielder/deeplying playmaker rather then someone like Martinez or Gustavo.

[pezt]

Alen and Overdrive are my picks.

[alenleomessi]

Just pointing out, of course he starts over Marcelo, Real Madrid play 50+ games every year and Marcelo cannot play ever single one. Clearly he is first choice though. Also Marcelo is clearly the #1 left back in the world. I hope you don't rate Leighton Baines ahead of him #smallclub, #averagedefender #hashtagsRcool

Thiago isnt a bad defender but he is not great or imposing. Bayerns defense is clearly much weaker then last years and this can be attributed to Thiago often taking up the position of defensive midfielder/deeplying playmaker rather then someone like Martinez or Gustavo.
well i thought alaba was the consensus #1
and dont forget i have matuidi next to thiago who is a monster defensively, possibly the smartest tackler in the world

anyway with all due respect to iamgine i feel this is an easy win for me and im surprised someone voted against me.. not surprised that its you though.

[alenleomessi]

for the other matchup i vote for overdrive, i like his midfield and left flank ( probably the best in the draft ) not really a fan of his right flank and howedes
i like kc's defense but not so much his attack.. i think he could have found a better options than lil tevez.. kaka has no business in the draft and yaya is at his best when he has less defensive work ( meaning a great def. player next to him ) and has more space to operate on offense

[iamgine]

anyway with all due respect to iamgine i feel this is an easy win for me and im surprised someone voted against me.. not surprised that its you though.
I feel the same way but the other way. :lol

[cos88]

kc16 vs Overdrive 1-5

alenleomessi vs iamgine 4-1

you can still vote

[EnoughSaid]

Basing this of the way I feel the teams would mesh and play together, I'll take alenleomessi and Overdrive

Kc's and iamgine both have quality teams but are maybe not as balanced.

[b1imtf]

Alen and Overdrive.

[cos88]

kc16 vs Overdrive 1-7

alenleomessi vs iamgine 6-1


congrats you are through. will post 2 new matchups in 10 minutes.

[cos88]

b1imtf vs knickballer


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660801&postcount=1067

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9663818&postcount=1113




Nick Young vs Chris99


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9678384&postcount=1167

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9679571&postcount=1174

[Bosnian Sajo]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187

My team and tactics.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I told Iamgine his formation was really funky...wouldn't listen :oldlol:

[Bosnian Sajo]

B1mtf is my vote for the first matchup, hard to compete with Ronaldo and that amazing midfield.

I'll post my vote about the second matchup later, wanna look into it a few more times before voting.

See yall, voting on teams isn't a popularity contest. It's not which team you like better, it is which team will win the matchup. I feel a lot of posters in the other tourny thread don't understand that.

[alenleomessi]

both matchups are close imo

chris has a decent defense but nick's is quite better
both def. mids are great and should fit well.. probably a wash here maybe chris takes the cake slighly because vidal is the best player on the pitch.. anyway no one is getting outplayed on this side of the field.. both have great strikers who are comparable and probably on the same level right now.. i think both could have done better job on the at. mid.. weakest parts of their teams. no game changers here..
i vote for the chubby redneck because of his teamwork, defense and nice fits


in the other matchup i think knickballer did a great job knowing that he was always skipped.. i dont really like his right flank with abate and shaqiri.. im not really a fan of gomez either but i guess he would fit nice on this team.. still someone like negredo or dzeko would have maybe been a better option.. nice catch on digne too.. he will be one of the best full backs in few years..
b1 has probably less talented players.. and less popular for that matter.. havent really seen much of alex sandro but the rest of his defense and midfield could have pace problems.. no one would beat him in the air though.. not really a fan of marchisio.. i feel like he is a non-factor whenever he plays.. not much to say about the attacking trio.. all great and versatile players..

close matchup but ill go with b1 because of the greasy ***

[pezt]

The first matchup is pretty close as they both have very similiar teams.
Great defense with mediocre (for the drafts standards) midfield. I'm not a fan of Nick Youngs offensive trio either, Mkhitaryan has been extremely inconsistent this season. Sometimes he's really good but mostly he's a nonfactor for Dortmund. Kuba and Griezmann are good but not great.
But still, I think that overall Nick Youngs team is slightly better so my vote goes to him.

In the second matchup I really like b1imtf's team. His midfield is great and Sturridge is an absolute beast this season. Him and Ronaldo would make a deadly duo upfront.
Chris' team isn't bad either but my vote goes to b1imtf

[Bosnian Sajo]

how about you guys start voting in this thread as well, so we can finnish it and start a new draft. just vote without any explanation if you want.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=328527&page=12

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[b1imtf]

I'll go with Nick Young's team. Just overall more talented and better fits IMO.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

I will go with Nick Young because of the balanse and safety Martinez and Alosno provide. His team can also be deadly on the counter.

b1imtf gets my vote because of his midfiled is suprior and more likely to dominate the game. I dont feel your picks defensivly with Cahill and Subotic. None of them really are COMMANDERS. You could also have picked a better striker than Sturrigde despite his good form this season.

[9erempiree]

I vote NYN based on branding, club motto and presence. If you want to build a club you are almost there with his. Stadium funding and paperwork, they are in the PL.

Presence.

[Overdrive]

I vote NYN based on branding, club motto and presence. If you want to build a club you are almost there with his. Stadium funding and paperwork, they are in the PL.

Presence.

:facepalm

[cos88]

both matchups are close imo

chris has a decent defense but nick's is quite better
both def. mids are great and should fit well.. probably a wash here maybe chris takes the cake slighly because vidal is the best player on the pitch.. anyway no one is getting outplayed on this side of the field.. both have great strikers who are comparable and probably on the same level right now.. i think both could have done better job on the at. mid.. weakest parts of their teams. no game changers here..
i vote for the chubby redneck because of his teamwork, defense and nice fits



and the chubby redneck is ? chris or nick??

[Nick Young]

and the chubby redneck is ? chris or nick??
Macedonian closet case has convinced himself that I am a fat redneck kid in his little fantasy world of repressed homosexual urges.:confusedshrug:

[9erempiree]

The United States Agency for International Development has underwritten a project called "Macedonia Connects".

Look that up and you will wonder why he still hates America? We gave them life...it is because of this our resident Messi-lover can watch his god.

[kc16]

I'll go with B1 in a close one, I do like Knickballer's midfield a bit, Pogba mainly because of his great year and his future is bright. With that said Ronaldo and Sturridge are having great years and I really like Matic, he was actually a player I was hoping would drop a little lower to me, oh well. He is a very good midfielder and his play has strengthened Chelsea. Both back lines are good though with Ronaldo and Sturridge coming at you, it is danger any defense.

I'll send my next pic later today.

[cos88]

b1imtf vs knickballer


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660801&postcount=1067

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9663818&postcount=1113

b1imtf

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ronaldo - sturridge - cuadrado are all selfish, not sure this will work the way it looks on paper. i would put another player instead of sturridge.

marchisio - modric - matic are all not clear starters for their teams, could do better than this for sure

conte doesn't play this tactic in turin, maybe another coach would help.

+

ronaldo

subotic-cahill pretty solid if you ask me


knickballer

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worst right flank in the tournament shaqiri - abate

worst fullbacks in the tournament abate - diagne

it's like something is missing, a difference maker up front maybe someone instead of shaqiri, a better player another world-class player

+

great cb pairing vertonghen - boateng

great cm pairing moutinho pogba



...


matchup favores b1 especially on the wings, but his team has many flaws. closer than people think imo but b1 gets my vote.

[alenleomessi]

modric and matic are clear starters for their teams.. modric is probably the 2nd most important player on Real... and not many mids will start over pogba, vidal, pirlo..

[cos88]

Nick Young vs Chris99

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9678384&postcount=1167

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9679571&postcount=1174


nick young white boys


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not the same varane as 2 years ago, 12 games this year with the season almost over will probably not even be selected at the world cup.

jakub - mkhitaryan - griezmann are by far the worst trio behind a striker in the tournament. griezmann started great for sociedad but in the 6 games in the UCL he was nowhere to be found. mkhitaryan pretty decent on dortmund, still better choices available. same for jakub who will be judged for the 4 months he played this year in which he wasn't as good as last year.

+

javi martinez - alonso

best defender by a decent margin in the world silva

Chris99

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can't understand why you selected gio, better players available

would put pjanic higher on the pitch and replace gio with a more defensive midfielder or a box to box player.

+

some good chemestry between some of the players

vidal best midfielder in the world as we speak.


they matchups ok against each other, with chris having a better O and nick a better D. this can go either way to be honest will go with nick young

[Nick Young]

Wow at the underration of Greizmann, he's one of the best players in Spain.

[alenleomessi]

Wow at the underration of Greizmann, he's one of the best players in Spain.
you overrate players based on a small sample size you watched.. he is good, so is mikhitariyan but not as good as you want them to be.. blasz is a nice complementary piece but nothing special

you wanna talk about underrated? coleman and benatia are one of the best at their positions in the world yet i have the worst defense

[cos88]

b1imtf vs knickballer 6-0

Nick Young vs Chris99 6-0

are going to the next round



next two matchups:

Mr Clutch Melo vs Arkain

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661360&postcount=1081

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9684498&postcount=1188

Bosnian Sajo vs Kurple

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9663655&postcount=1110

[cos88]

Mr Clutch Melo vs Arkain


arkain:

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ozil, bad this year overall after a great start.

+

gundogan

very good presentation with matchup adjustment

great defensive line, the best cb pairing so far for me with godin-kompany even better than nick young's varane-silva with varane very poor this year.

mourinho


Mr Clutch Melo

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mertesacker - sokratis

shaw inexperienced. huge potential and a little overrated at his current ability. great players will have their way with him.

+

lavezzi , bale and higuain the best counter attacking trio in this tournament.



another great matchup. will go with Arkain but this could go as the last matchup either way. the fact that arkain expalain this tactic better helped in deciding my winner.

[cos88]

Sajo vs Kurple


sajo:

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very few things about player roles

lovren, could do better than him someone more complementary to hummels

+

i like hummels and the fact that you have him as a left centre back, the role he has a dortmund.

khedira pick, which really is 2012-2013 khedira as he is injured for more than 3 months. good pick.

pep



kurple:

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way to offensive, 5 player are not gret defenders

fernandinho can't do all the defensive work by himself. arda has great work-rate and stamina and will help but still not enough. switch silva with someone else. a player like xabi alsonso would be great here.

mangala, if i was you i would select with my last pick the experienced patrick evra. not his best season but you won't play a full season, just important matches

+

like the idea with hulk becoming the second striker and arda going into his natural position.

great coach in wenger that can do good stuff with this team.



a very close one will go with sajo. it's a shame this teams faced so early.

[alenleomessi]

clutch melo has two of the best full backs in the EPL this season but im not really a fan of his CBs and GK... mid trio is fine, basically a poor version of barca's and the attacking trio is nice, but i feel this team will depend on bale too much
arkain has a nice writeup although he is underrating shaw and especially veratti saying he is slow and not physically capable of pressing his midfield..
he has 2 long term injured players and two players in a pretty poor form this year ( mostly just disinterested ), but his defense + mou slightly makes him the favorite in this matchup so im going with him




in the other matchup, kurple has a solid defense but nothing special.. dont like the sagna pick and dont really know how well can mangala play on the left.. in the mid he has two players not at their best positions-turan and silva.. and kun is not at his best as a lone striker.. i think he should have picked a more def. player instead of pedro or hulk to play next to fernandiho and move arda on the left with silva as a AM..
bosnian sajo has a solid defense could have maybe done better on lovren and ter stegen and his Cdm duo might have some pace problems.. anyway his attacking 4 might be the best in the draft and will wreak havoc against kurple's team who is supbar defensively on the wings and in the midfield
going with sajo

[Overdrive]

Melo vs Arkain:

I dig Melo's team as a whole, but one thing favours Arkain's for me. It's Mourinho. Arkain has everything on his team to choke the other team to death and squeeze out a 1:0. I don't like Balotelli in the 3rd round, too inconsistent too much of a headcase, but it won't be much of a problem as this team's strength is rock solid D. My vote goes to Arkain.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Arkain team will be runned over especially with the laziness of Balotelli and

[Overdrive]

Speaking of coaches too , I have the German National coach. He knows the weaknesses of the German players on Arkains team. Bu


Didn't think of that tbh. For me the coaches all are neutral in this tournee without inside knowledge.

I still think this would be a tipical Mourinho, squeeze out a 1:0 game. I actually think you guys would draw more often than not, but draws are not allowed here.

I really would love to see this game live.

[b1imtf]

Arkain and Sajo.

[cos88]

Mr Clutch Melo vs Arkain 0-4

Bosnian Sajo vs Kurple 3-0


voting still on for the next 12 hours

[Nick Young]

My vote is for Arkain and Bosnian Sajo

[knickballer]

Votes are for Melo and Kurple

[Bosnian Sajo]

Knickballer a hipster :lol

I vote for Arkain. When tf did he make this team? I didn't notice it at all during the draft, solid af.

[Bosnian Sajo]

lovren, could do better than him someone more complementary to hummels



:kobe:


Lovren is class, I wouldn't of picked him if he wasn't doing so well. He has been terrific in the Premier League this season, very strong defender. No way he can possibly be a minus in the form he is currently in.

[Mr Clutch Melo]

Mr Clutch Melo vs Arkain 2-6

Bosnian Sajo vs Kurple 5-0


voting still on for the next 12 hours

Aleomessei and Knicks dude voted for me

Saja and Arkain win.

Althoug I strongly disagree with Arkains team being better than mine but whatever...

[Bosnian Sajo]

Can anyone update the brackets?

[cos88]

Can anyone update the brackets?


i'll make them soon

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/MCmOg.jpg

[Jasi]

Somehow I missed this thread :(

What matchups are up for voting?

[cos88]

Somehow I missed this thread :(

What matchups are up for voting?


you will be up in 2 minutes vs pezt

[cos88]

pezt vs jasi


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660205&postcount=1057

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661502&postcount=1090



waseem780 vs cos88

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660078&postcount=1056

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101

[Jasi]

waseem vs cos, aka the FIFA match :D

cos gets this imo.
I only smell trouble between Ibra and Robben, but for the rest that team has perfect chemistry, deadliness and balance.
Same can be said for waseem but with lesser talent overall imo, especially considering that van Persie and Montolivo are having so-so seasons.
Defensive lines are comparable but I think waseem's will have much more trouble vs Ibra & co.

[Nick Young]

I vote Jasi's team, sorry PZT but Mata has been bad this year and Kyle Walker SUCKS, he is fast and scores one awesome goal a season but that's it. Your right flank would get eaten for breakfast by Messi!

[cos88]

alen, overdrive, b1imtf, nick young, arkain, bosnian sajo you guys are through, if you want to update the tactics considering the opponent post it right here so i can see it

[knickballer]

jasi and cos

[kc16]

I really like both waseem and cos teams, sucks you two have to battle now. I give cos88 the win, not really a fan of RVP truthfully and compared to Ibra he is definitely a notch down. Both teams have good midfields and defense but the attacking edge goes slightly to cos.

I'll take josi in the other matchup.

[Nick Young]

gonna be aaway from comp all weekend, no time for tactics til next week other then we will approach the game and try to Greece 2004 it. The team is training focusing on defensive solidarity and disciple, a trait Guus Hiddink has excelled at creating in his teams

[Jasi]

I really like both waseem and cos teams, sucks you two have to battle now. I give cos88 the win, not really a fan of RVP truthfully and compared to Ibra he is definitely a notch down. Both teams have good midfields and defense but the attacking edge goes slightly to cos.

I'll take josi in the other matchup.

Thanks a lot, however my username is Jasi (from Jasikevicius, the lithuanian PG) :D

Funnily enough, in many other communities my username is actually Josi_something (from a number of songs by a Belgian band I love).

[ArbitraryWater]

damn how did i miss this... huge football fan here... would love to participate?

[Jasi]

damn how did i miss this... huge football fan here... would love to participate?
There is a new that will start soon, with WC players, one per country.
On my phone now, cant give you the link but i will.

Btw you can participate by giving opinions and votes on the matchups here!

[ArbitraryWater]

Okay... well wassemm vs cos I take cos. Honestly better at every position but left AM and CB (Ramos)...

pezt vs jasi is close, not the biggest fan of either backline... pique is still a household name, but honestly, dude is declining ever since 2012..

Xavi really isnt an "assister" anymore but more of a ball distributor, the guy that keeps it in play and creates some space upfront, but with oscar/mata/sanchez, it really doesnt matter if one of them is having a poorer season, it seems like a bit more complete attack than Messi/Benzema, Isco is struggling atm, and im really not a big fan of the benz man... i feel hes overrated for playing with madrid tbh.

so ill prolly have to take pezt

[Bosnian Sajo]

Messi is playing with 4 cm's and no wings? Not sure how I feel about that. Benzema has been great, but Pezt's team just looks more attractive to me.

Waseem's midfield looks cluttered, and most of the players he picked, albeit good, are in a decline compared to the previous season. That being said, Ibra up top with Di Maria and Robben as his wings? De Rossi and Wilshere Defensive mids? Me gusta. Really nice attack and midfield, defense (disregarding Ramos) is very weak, you won't go too far with Clichy and Arbeloa. Ramos and Skrtel are good, but they don't make up for Clichy being a sorry POS and Arbeloa hasn't really been himself this season. However, it does get you past this matchup. I vote cos88.

[kc16]

Thanks a lot, however my username is Jasi (from Jasikevicius, the lithuanian PG) :D

Funnily enough, in many other communities my username is actually Josi_something (from a number of songs by a Belgian band I love).

My bad and I'm a person who hates mispelling names, sorry about that.

[kurple]

you guys are tippin

no way would the central midfield of Khedira and old manGerrard boss mine. Fernandinho is used to doing much of the dirty work with Yaya's lazy ass in City. as well as being more exposed with extremely attacking fullbacks. Dude has great positioning and is quick

i think i would win the midfield battle.

my offense have also scored more goals this season, and my defense has mutherfockings Neuer. As well 4 proven defenders in a defense very similar to the Wenger defense that held Muller and Gotze scoreless a week ago

suarez is a wildcard, but so is aguero. Who in my opinion is better, even after the weak preformance against barca. neuer would be the big differencemaker as well as silva being by far the best "playmaker" on the pitch

[b1imtf]

Jasi and cos88.

[Bosnian Sajo]

you guys are tippin

no way would the central midfield of Khedira and old manGerrard boss mine. Fernandinho is used to doing much of the dirty work with Yaya's lazy ass in City. as well as being more exposed with extremely attacking fullbacks. Dude has great positioning and is quick

i think i would win the midfield battle.

my offense have also scored more goals this season, and my defense has mutherfockings Neuer. As well 4 proven defenders in a defense very similar to the Wenger defense that held Muller and Gotze scoreless a week ago

suarez is a wildcard, but so is aguero. Who in my opinion is better, even after the weak preformance against barca. neuer would be the big differencemaker as well as silva being by far the best "playmaker" on the pitch


So why you ain't get the votes then..

[RagaZ]

you guys are tippin

no way would the central midfield of Khedira and old manGerrard boss mine. Fernandinho is used to doing much of the dirty work with Yaya's lazy ass in City. as well as being more exposed with extremely attacking fullbacks. Dude has great positioning and is quick

i think i would win the midfield battle.

my offense have also scored more goals this season, and my defense has mutherfockings Neuer. As well 4 proven defenders in a defense very similar to the Wenger defense that held Muller and Gotze scoreless a week ago

suarez is a wildcard, but so is aguero. Who in my opinion is better, even after the weak preformance against barca. neuer would be the big differencemaker as well as silva being by far the best "playmaker" on the pitch

:facepalm

[kurple]

So why you ain't get the votes then..
not sure :lol

[kurple]

:facepalmsuarez dont have any CL preformances to brag about (wont win PL, FA or Carling Cup) and there is always a chance that he might bite someone and get himself suspended

[Bosnian Sajo]

suarez dont have any CL preformances to brag about (wont win PL, FA or Carling Cup) and there is always a chance that he might bite someone and get himself suspended

And Aguero does? How good was Aguero vs Barca? You seem to forget that this is THIS season's performance, in which case Suarez is better.

[kurple]

And Aguero does? How good was Aguero vs Barca? You seem to forget that this is THIS season's performance, in which case Suarez is better.
aguero is still only behind ronaldo, zlatan, messi and costa in the CL top scorer list. and i'm sure he hasnt played every game

suarez only has PL. out of 4 competitions

[cos88]

damn how did i miss this... huge football fan here... would love to participate?

we will make a new draft soon, more info here you can join up: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=329350

[cos88]

nobody can play winger for jasi, not a big fan of that type of formation but still gets through. marquinhos is having a great season still with huge potential left. another great pick is stootman, too bad he got injured. not a fan of isco and witsel, i think you could do a better job there but still jasi

will post another matchup soon.

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/3Gz5q.jpg

[cos88]

Overdrive vs alenleomessi


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661517&postcount=1092

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9659896&postcount=1055



b1imtf vs nick young

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660801&postcount=1067

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9678384&postcount=1167

[cos88]

already talked about all 4 teams what i like and what i don't and at this point it's all about matchups as all teams are great.


alen great team on offense would still switch alcantara with a more defensive player, overdrive is having some great teams in this draft but im still going with alen but his team has some flaws and i don't think he's going to win this tournament.

also said some things about the other matchup, i think b1imtf is also having some great teams, both won 6-0 the previous games but i will go with b1imtf a great balanced team with way more attacking firepower. not a fan of nick's 3 players behind costa.

[b1imtf]

Alen.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Nick Young. Count my vote for the final when he wins too. He just straight up picked the best team.

[alenleomessi]

Nick Young. Count my vote for the final when he wins too. He just straight up picked the best team.
elaborate please


ill go with b1 for this matchup, doesnt seem to have any big flaws except maybe some pace problems in the middle and marchisio being one of the worst players in the draft imo
nick's team is obviously great defensively but could have done much better offensively and he will probably have trouble scoring if costa is off

[Jasi]

Overdrive v alen.
Both very good teams, well thought out and balanced.
No major flaws.
I pick alen for the overall better offensive talent.

B1imtf vs Nick goes to b1imtf, nick has a solid team but the 3 behind Diego Costa are not really elite.
b1 has ronaldo and cuadrado that is imo a deadly winger combo, both need double/triple teamed, so DESPITE Sturridge :D, that squad is a lock to score 2-3 goals vs 1 .

[pezt]

Alen and b1imtf

[9erempiree]

I'm going with NYNFC. They just a beast on defense. Their midfield and Costa is adequate enough to score on a team with less than stellar defense. Best D in the tourney.

They got it all. I almost want to buy a jersey. If the club has an anthem then I look for them to win it all.

[knickballer]

b1mtf and alenleomess

[b1imtf]

Arkain:


http://s21.postimg.org/8dy8doalj/arkain_ish_team.jpg

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9666989&postcount=1130

[U][B][SIZE="2"]Tactic tweaks against Sajo

[Bosnian Sajo]

Love the explanation by Arkain, very good and very detailed. Where is Arkain though, and how does only B1 know and communicate with him?

Anyways, although it was a good presentation, you are overrating your own players and underrating mine. Balotelli is not doing well at all this season, the man has 14 goals in 34 appearances and is leading Milan to a mid table finish in Italy. You expecting him to be your x factor should make things much easier for me, all I need is a strong and tall defender to stick on him and he will be shut down. You say my team lacks leadership, and that Hummels thrives when he plays next to that type of player...well don't you realize one of the main praises Lovren has been getting from the English media is how strong of a character and leader this guy has become? What you said I'm missing is EXACTLY what I have, legit 100% theeeee reason I picked this kid is because he fits with Hummels like a damn puzzle, it's not my fault yall don't follow the premier league as close as some of us do.

http://metro.co.uk/2014/02/24/the-return-of-dejan-lovren-will-be-key-to-solving-southamptons-defensive-mistakes-4314991/


When Lovren is absent, we seem to lack the leadership, organisation and all-round qualities that he possesses. He makes the whole defensive unit more solid when he is at the heart of it and hopefully we can return to the mean defence that even managed to keep a clean sheet at Anfield earlier in the season.

That is just one link, type lovren form into google and go to the news pages, you'll see plenty more.

You seem to be talking about Marcelo's attacking instinct and how that will be a weakness for me...you got the same type of player in Rodriguez :oldlol: Same "weakness" as I do. Your main weakness is Bender imo, he can't control Gerrard let alone one of my main attacking forces. Having my playmakers on the wings isn't a weakness either, oh lord :lol If anything it is better that way, from the wing they can either cross or bring it themselves to the middle and lay it off to one of the fullbacks. They also have Gerrard in the middle as an option, someone who has been playing very well this season and will have no problem finding his man Suarez for the pass or bombing it from 35 when necessary.

Also, Marcelo's place will never be vacated, it'll only be taken over by Khedira on a counter attack. What you really have to worry about is Ivanovic's speed, Gotze will pass by him in a flash and will be finding Suarez, Muller and co. ready for the strike. If I have any problems with Ivanovic I'll just have Suarez go out and bite him :oldlol: And why you acting like your d better than mine? Mats>Kompany, Marcelo>Rodriguez, Srna>Ivanovic, cannot really comment on Lovren and Godin since I don't follow Atletico too much but lets say Godin is better....doesn't make up for the rest of the players. If defense is my weak point (arguably), then it must be especially weak for you. And if you think ozil/balo/nasri will take advantage and score 1 or 2 on my d, what makes you think gotze/suarez/muller won't score 5 or 6 on your d :pimp:

Good presentation, I say it again, but it's just eye candy. Balo ain't scaring me shit, Nasri is decent, and we have already seen how far Ozil and Walcott can take Arsenal. Now you added a ST who shows up when he wants to and Nasri who is a bit better than Podolski, but on the same level more then less. You got yourself the Arsenal squad of the draft, promising team, but you ain't winning.

[Jasi]

^ is the arkain-sajo voting still on?

[Bosnian Sajo]

^ is the arkain-sajo voting still on?

Hasn't even started, go ahead and vote.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Bosnian Sajo vs Arkain

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9684498&postcount=1188

[Jasi]

This is quite lopsided actually.
Sajo's team has a couple of (minor) flaws but the offensive part is amazing.
Arkain's not going anywhere with this season's Balotelli and Ozil.

[alenleomessi]

bosnian sajo quite easily for me.. if arkain thought he will get away with picking long term injured players and players that used to be good but are pretty horrific right now, well he is wrong.. his defensive lineup is good and mou is mou but im not sure this is the best team for a coach like mou.. he usually wants all of his guys to know how to defend.. thats why he got rid of mata, and likes guys like eto and oscar.. they get back.. with ozil, mario and co. it wont happen.. he also prefers his hard-nosed DMs like makelele, essien, cambi and such.. bender and gundogan are not those kinds of players..
sajo's offense should be more than enough for this matchup

[b1imtf]

Hasn't even started, go ahead and vote.
I don't want to quote that huge post where you ask it, but Arkain and I are communicating through a Chelsea forum. He changed his e-mail and the confirmation here still hasn't gone through.

[cos88]

Overdrive vs alenleomessi 0-5


b1imtf vs nick young 5-2

[cos88]

Bosnian Sajo vs Arkain

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9694485&postcount=100


pep vs mourinho is a nice one, and much closer than you think. there are better teams than both in the tournament, arkain's preseantation is great but just go with someone else instead of ozil or balotelli. if he had him and you got suarez arkain would get my vote, this close i think it is. anyway sajo for me.

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/h34Vl.jpg



voting still on for the sajo- arkain matchup

[cos88]

jasi vs cos88

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661502&postcount=1090

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101

[b1imtf]

Jasi, not much a fan of cos88's defense tbh and that made it for me. Love the way your team is built from De Rossi to Zlatan though.

[EnoughSaid]

Gerrard and Khedira for me win the matchup for Sajo. Won't have too much trouble with Gundogan and Bender, who aren't as defensively stout as the other two and won't be able to really stop a Gotze/Muller/Suarez attack. I'm confident Pep would be able to get the best out of this matchup. So my vote goes to Bosnian Sajo.

Now Jasi vs. Cos is a very tough match up to decide. I'm kind of leaning towards Cos though. I feel like the Di Maria/Hamsek/Robben/Ibra attack is somewhat superior to Messi/Benzema/Isco. Defenses are very equally matched, so it's the midfield and attack that will really decide which way this goes. Pirlo/Strootman/Witsel is probably better than De Rossi/Wilshere, but I don't think that would make up for the difference when it comes to the attacking. So in this very close tie up, I'll take cos88.

[alenleomessi]

cos offense looks great on paper but it wouldnt surprise me if there are ego-issues and selfishness on the football pitch especially if jasi scores first, which is very likely with the crappy full backs cos has and the talented but very inconsistent CBs
im going with jasi in a close high scoring game

[cos88]

wow surprised i got two votes against me, i have a better presentation, made adjustments, a more experienced, more balanced team with a coach that will not let any egos dominated the locker room. overall i think my biggest advantace is his tactic, a tactic no player is used too, a tactic no one plays in modern football. this and the fact that i will devour his full backs, will always be 2 vs 1 and that i have a coach that actually won a trophy who is 3 tiers above his i think should put my over his team.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Swept my way into the semi finals :pimp:

[Jasi]

wow surprised i got two votes against me, i have a better presentation, made adjustments, a more experienced, more balanced team with a coach that will not let any egos dominated the locker room. overall i think my biggest advantace is his tactic, a tactic no player is used too, a tactic no one plays in modern football. this and the fact that i will devour his full backs, will always be 2 vs 1 and that i have a coach that actually won a trophy who is 3 tiers above his i think should put my over his team.

I just disagree here.
You just seem to miss the rationale of 4-3-1-2, especially the way it deals with width both on defense and on offense.
Defense: as you are surely aware, the ball can never be in both flanks at the same time. The 3 mids can shift right to left and viceversa easily. You never get to defend 1 vs 2 in either flank, never.
Offense: the FBs attack a lot, as simple as that. That's why I selected Licht and Kolarov. They're the wingers when we have the ball.

And what's with this idea that no one has used 4-3-1-2?
It has been a successful formation (especially in Ancelotti's Milan - and Prandelli himself in Euro 2012 dominated England -ok no big deal there :D- and Germany with a way less talented squad).
SAF has used it in his last season.
Terim uses it.
Rodgers is using it.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Alen looks poised to win this competition though, super solid team. Thiago is one of my favorite players, ik he used to play for Barca, but I love how the man plays.

[Nick Young]

GG B1MF well played

[b1imtf]

GG B1MF well played
:cheers: :cheers:

[cos88]

I just disagree here.
You just seem to miss the rationale of 4-3-1-2, especially the way it deals with width both on defense and on offense.
Defense: as you are surely aware, the ball can never be in both flanks at the same time. The 3 mids can shift right to left and viceversa easily. You never get to defend 1 vs 2 in either flank, never.
Offense: the FBs attack a lot, as simple as that. That's why I selected Licht and Kolarov. They're the wingers when we have the ball.

And what's with this idea that no one has used 4-3-1-2?
It has been a successful formation (especially in Ancelotti's Milan - and Prandelli himself in Euro 2012 dominated England -ok no big deal there :D- and Germany with a way less talented squad).
SAF has used it in his last season.
Terim uses it.
Rodgers is using it.

the problem is that nobody in the last 10 years for what can i remember won something with your tactic. rodgers has a more wider tactic with sturridge playing not on the same line as suarez but more wide. also when he puts sterling in they usually play 4-3-3 and 4-5-1 when defending. i just think i have many advantages and really thing i would do better than the last round when a won 6-0 and thought the matchup was closer. i really hope people started analizing more than the trio up front and start wondering about coaches, matchups and other stuff. that being said i don't want to start a conversation that only the two of us will read, you make some good teams especially in the all time tournament so kudos to you



jasi vs cos88


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...postcount=1090

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...postcount=1101


you can still vote, only 3 votes so far maybe because it's sunday. will post another matchup after i wake up.

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/uA0Jx.gif



wtf 3 votes nobody is willing to vote :facepalm

[Bosnian Sajo]

smfh

[kurple]

this draft dont deserve my vote

[LJJ]

Okay let me make a vote then. Jasi vs Cos.

I'm not a huge fan of either of these teams. Jasi has the best player in the world, which is always a bonus. I like his central midfield and fullbacks a lot, essentially it's the same formula as Juve: a couple of fullbacks who can truly cover the entire flank with service from Pirlo and two great box-to-box midfielders next to Pirlo. That said I'm not a fan of his backline defensively. Marquinhos is riding the bench and only really gets to play against the cannon fodder. Gonzalo is a decent, aggressive CB who like Marquinhos is a bottom tier player in this draft. They lack size defensively and Zlatan is going to physically bully them while Robben is going to run circles around a young and inexperienced bench player like Marquinhos.

Benzema has somewhat impressive numbers, but usually he doesn't look very good at all playing for Madrid. Misses a lot of open chances. He is a bad fit with players like Cristiano and Bale and Isco etc, and he would be a bad fit with Messi too. Not impressed at all with him. Isco is riding the bench this year and has a very underwhelming season in Madrid. And also I don't think he's a good fit with Messi either.
Messi plays his best as the center forward backed by a relatively steady midfield, now he's back by a very dynamic midfield and plays along with another center forward and a CAM.

Cos has probably the best right winger in the world in Robben, Zlatan up top, Di Maria. I kind of like that fit, players that don't really need a whole lot of support to make a good show. Then a hard working midfield with Hamsik who is one of the most hard working attacking midfielders in the game and two powerful holding mids. No idea why he is playing lefty Wilshere on the right side and righty De Rossi on the left side, that's a god-awful idea. His fullbacks are downright terrible. Also, wtf is up with his coach and also him actually praising his coach? The draft is based on current performance, so it doesn't matter how respectable of a coach Lippi was 10 seasons ago. He is coaching in a dogshit league right now that is worse than the 5th division in England, worst coach in the draft by far.

That said I'm giving it to Cos, because I don't see how the pieces come together offensively for Jasi and Messi isn't enough to make up for it.

[Overdrive]

LJJ, check out the AT thread, final's up and a Grand total of 4 people voted.

Regarding this matchup. I really love Jasi's way of tactics, but this time the quality just isn't there as it is in the AT one. It's close based on tactics, but cos takes this.

cos, I think a tactic/formation doesn't have to win trophies. Sometimes it lifts a team above its players individual potential and by that is successful.

[b1imtf]

Lol where did waseem go? He started all this and then faded. Great job cos88.

[cos88]

Lol where did waseem go? He started all this and then faded. Great job cos88.

thx, who knows where waseem is, he will be in the next draft.

7 more hours and we will go to voting in the semis.

[b1imtf]

thx, who knows where waseem is, he will be in the next draft.

7 more hours and we will go to voting in the semis.
:cheers: :cheers:

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/HEmp5.jpg

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png

alenleomessi vs b1imtf

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9659896&postcount=1055

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660801&postcount=1067

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png


cos88 vs bosnian sajo

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187

[Jasi]

Very tough matchups.
All of them 4 could win it all.
Will need to think a bit more before voting.

BTW I expected to lose to cos88, I agree with the 3-2 result.

I understand the Isco pick at that stage can be seen as a reach, considering his season. That may be my weakest point. I just happen to like the player a lot, his style, his potential. To me he is (and will be) an added value in any type of team.

I do not really agree that Messi would not work well in that formation, jut because he is such a great player. To think that he can deliver only in a specific context is severely underrating him, I think. I would see that argument with Totti who is 38 yrs old - but with Messi now? No.

[pezt]

Very tough matchups indeed.
Both games are extremely close and could go either way but my votes go to Alen and Sajo

[kc16]

I'll take Sajo over Cosi in a close one. As much as I like Luiz and Skertel, I feel both allow cheap goals at times something I think Suarez will take advantage of. Plus I really like Pep as coach.

I'll take B1 over messi, I personally like his overall team better, Ronaldo and Sturridge are great attacking force.

[Jasi]

I'll take Sajo over Cosi in a close one. As much as I like Luiz and Skertel, I feel both allow cheap goals at times something I think Suarez will take advantage of. Plus I really like Pep as coach.

I'll take B1 over messi, I personally like his overall team better, Ronaldo and Sturridge are great attacking force.

"Cosi" is a hybrid of Cos and myself I guess? :D

The resulting team would be nice indeed:

Courtois;
Lichtsteiner, Luiz, Marquinhos, Kolarov;
Robben, Pirlo, De Rossi, Di Maria;
Ibrahimovic, Messi.

:oldlol:

[kc16]

"Cosi" is a hybrid of Cos and myself I guess? :D

The resulting team would be nice indeed:

Courtois;
Lichtsteiner, Luiz, Marquinhos, Kolarov;
Robben, Pirlo, De Rossi, Di Maria;
Ibrahimovic, Messi.

:oldlol:
Lol dam it I did it again my bad. I meant to say cos haha.

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png

alenleomessi vs b1imtf

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9659896&postcount=1055

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660801&postcount=1067

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png


cos88 vs bosnian sajo

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187


voting still up for the next couple of days.

[b1imtf]

Tough but cos88 will get my vote.

[Jasi]

alen vs b1.
Very good teams with impressive offensive talent.
b1 seems to me more balanced. His 4-3-3 can easily turn into a 4-5-1 when not in possession, since both wingers are willing to track back, espcially with Conte hammering their balls if they don't + B1's midfield looks perfectly conceived to me for the team's purpose.
Whereas alen playing Thiago in the midfield duo of a 4-2-3-1 is a bit risky.
Defenses are comparable.
But the overall talent is superior in alen's team. Iniesta+Hazard can surely make a difference, and they team up well with Lewa.
On the other hand Sturridge isn't a top striker imo, and Cuadrado, while he can dominate games at times, is still inconsistent which is not good in a tournament. Like I said in the previous round also... if Cuadrado is in the right night, the combined effect of CR7 and him will give nightmares to alen's formation.
But since that "if" may or may not actually occur, I give the nod to alen.

[alenleomessi]

very very tough but ill go with cos.. his weakest positions are obviously full backs but i dont feel like sajo can exploit that weakness to the fullest with gotze and koke.. if he had a winger like di maria or robben i would have liked his chances more.. the rest of their team is comparable

[Bosnian Sajo]

Alen gets my vote. B1 has a great team, but like I said in the 1st round, Alen has the most well balanced team in the draft.

[Bosnian Sajo]

very very tough but ill go with cos.. his weakest positions are obviously full backs but i dont feel like sajo can exploit that weakness to the fullest with gotze and koke.. if he had a winger like di maria or robben i would have liked his chances more.. the rest of their team is comparable

How so? Because the way I see it, of those 4 players Gotze is the best and Koke if not 2nd, is right behind Di Maria. Gotze is fast af, would make Arbeloa's knees tremble.

[Jasi]

cos vs Sajo.
It's one of the closest matchups so far in all drafts.

Sajo, I have a slight problem with the playmaking/distribution/flow before the ball reaches the trio. But it's a very minor flaw, after all Hummels and Gerrard can still provide that, and also your FBs are both good on the ball.
Am I the only one who would switch Muller and Gotze here? Either way the talent upfront is incredible. The defensive balance is also very good.

cos, your problem is the defensive line which except Luiz is definitely a notch below the level of this match. And while Ibra-Hamsik is a potentially awesome duo, the Slovak is having the worst season of his career.

So it is very close but I vote Sajo.

[alenleomessi]

How so? Because the way I see it, of those 4 players Gotze is the best and Koke if not 2nd, is right behind Di Maria. Gotze is fast af, would make Arbeloa's knees tremble.
because they are not natural wingers, more playmakers/AMs.. they do play mostly on the wings for their teams but thats because of tactics/having other good AMs.. and i you either forgot he has robben on his team or you are massively underrating him( well who isnt ).. still a top 10 player on his day and a game changer.. di maria is playing out of his mind lately.. sorry man gotze and koke are two players i really like but they are not as good as the first two at this moment

[cos88]

How so? Because the way I see it, of those 4 players Gotze is the best and Koke if not 2nd, is right behind Di Maria. Gotze is fast af, would make Arbeloa's knees tremble.


what? so between robben - di maria and gotze - koke .... robben is last ?? with koke a close second behind di maria?

gotze is a starter only because ribery is injured, robben is just better than him in every department including experience. damn, he scored the winning goal in the last UCL final :confusedshrug:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Need moar votes people, almost done.

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png

alenleomessi vs b1imtf

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9659896&postcount=1055

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660801&postcount=1067

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png


cos88 vs bosnian sajo

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187


bump, vote for both it would be a shame to get kicked out of the competition only by 1 vote, especially considering i had a matchup adjustment. also for alen - b1 , two votes for b1 and this can become close .

[kurple]

cos and b1

[cos88]

bump

[alenleomessi]

i PMd bunch of guys for votes

[cos88]

i PMd bunch of guys for votes

would be funny if some of those guys voted against you and b1 went to the final :lol

[LJJ]

First matchup I vote b1imtf. His Marchisio-Matic-Modric midfield is pretty damn solid and dynamic compared to Alen's talented but poorly balanced midfield. The attackers and defenders are mostly a toss up, tho I still favor b1 in those area's slightly.

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png

alenleomessi vs b1imtf 3-3 ( pezt, jasi, sajo - kc16, kurple, ljj )

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9659896&postcount=1055

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660801&postcount=1067

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png


cos88 vs bosnian sajo 3-3 (b1imtf, alen, kurple - pezt, kc16, jasi )

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187


the first team that has a 2 votes advantage goes to the final ( ex: 5-3, 6-4 ). it would not be fair to advance only by 1 vote.

[alenleomessi]

would be funny if some of those guys voted against you and b1 went to the final :lol
dude wtf i asked for them to vote on the matchup

[alenleomessi]

First matchup I vote b1imtf. His Marchisio-Matic-Modric midfield is pretty damn solid and dynamic compared to Alen's talented but poorly balanced midfield. The attackers and defenders are mostly a toss up, tho I still favor b1 in those area's slightly.
i actually think midfield is where i will dominate him with iniesta-thiago-matuidi

[cos88]

dude wtf i asked for them to vote on the matchup

i know just kidding, all 4 teams are very good to be honest, the best 4 in the competition unlike the all time tournament where some great teams were eliminated early. :cheers:

[LJJ]

Sajo versus Cos. I think these lineups are pretty equal talent wise. Pound for pound Sajo has the slight edge (especially with Arbeloa and Clichy dragging cos' talent level down a significant bit).

The tie-breaker here lies in Sajo using Pep's system. It's a good system for most of the players on his team, but he has Khedira playing in the vital Busquets/Lahm role. Khedira performing that role is a joke, he lacks all the required tactical awareness and playmaking ability. Because of that my vote goes to cos.

[plowking]

I'll go with b1 and cos88.

[Grinder]

b1imtf vs. Alen - Tough one, but I give the edge to b1imtf. Alen's outside backs are a liability defensively against the likes of Ronaldo and Cuadrado while Matic and Marchisio will help shore up an already rugged defense.

cos88 vs. Bosnian Sajo - I'll go with cos88 . I'm not a fan of either of their defenses but I think cos88's midfield + attack would be lethal and tougher to defend than Sajo's.

[LJJ]

i actually think midfield is where i will dominate him with iniesta-thiago-matuidi

All your midfielders need a dedicated holding midfielder to play their best.

[alenleomessi]

All your midfielders need a dedicated holding midfielder to play their best.
well matuidi is not a pure holding mid but can do the job just fine
thiago has done the same a lot of times this season
i wanted a fast paced team and thats why i didnt go with a busquets/martinez/matic type of mid.. dont really see how thats a weakness against his midfield with marchisio as the most offensive player

[alenleomessi]

i also feel comfortable with coleman on CR.. he should do a fine job

[LJJ]

well matuidi is not a pure holding mid but can do the job just fine
thiago has done the same a lot of times this season
i wanted a fast paced team and thats why i didnt go with a busquets/martinez/matic type of mid.. dont really see how thats a weakness against his midfield with marchisio as the most offensive player

Who is going to mark Ronaldo or Sturridge when they roam the attacking midfield as they like to do? Thiago? Your team simply has a huge, exploitable hole in midfield when they lose possession. You have too many players who like to create these holes and too few players who like to fill holes.

[Nick Young]

I vote b1imtf , better midfield, Marchisio is SICK. Alen's midfield would dominate in a league vs shit teams but against the elite midfields in this tournament, the lack of true holding midfielder would catch him out. Alcantara is fine as a defensive midfielder in Bundesliga but I feel Bayern wouldnt be able to pull that vs top teams like Real Madrid. They would get overrun. Even Arsenal was overrunning Bayerns midfield in the first leg before the red card. Thiago offered ZERO RESISTANCE and thats against shit Arsenal.


The other vote goes to BOSNIAN SAJO. Muller and Suarez, you cannot vote against an attack with those two.

Nick Young Niccaz FC feel that b1imtf United are the best representative left in the tourney of the brand values that NYN stands for in a football club.

[Bosnian Sajo]

cos88 vs. Bosnian Sajo - I'll go with cos88 . I'm not a fan of either of their defenses but I think cos88's midfield + attack would be lethal and tougher to defend than Sajo's.

Son, I have the best attack in the damn draft :oldlol: Not saying Cos attack isn't impressive, he wouldn't be in the semi finals otherwise, but for that to be the reason I lose...oh well. 6-4 for Cos atm, let voting go on for the rest of the day or?

And btw LJJ, I have Gerrard there to play that role, Khedira is there to be a defensive stopper in the mid and to fall back on D when Marcelo runs up on offense.

[Jasi]

Son, I have the best attack in the damn draft :oldlol: Not saying Cos attack isn't impressive, he wouldn't be in the semi finals otherwise, but for that to be the reason I lose...oh well. 6-4 for Cos atm, let voting go on for the rest of the day or?

And btw LJJ, I have Gerrard there to play that role, Khedira is there to be a defensive stopper in the mid and to fall back on D when Marcelo runs up on offense.

Yeah but if the Busquets role is taken by Gerrard (which is a bit of a waste since he is still best employed as a box-to-box), then a guy like Khedira isn't really planned in Pep's systems.
The only holding guy is Busquets/Lahm (also Schweini earlier this season), i.e. guys with technique and vision anyways.

Don't get me wrong, to me it's a perfectly balanced 11 with almost any other coach, but as a Guardiola team it looks strange.

And cos88' attack is potentially a bit better than yours, my problem with it is that Hamsik is really playing below his standards this season with Benitez, and - be it coincidence or not - it's the first time he plays in a 4-2-3-1. That's why I voted for you.

[jamal99]

Alen and Sajo get my votes.

Alen and b1 bot have great squads, but that midfield and Lewandowski, with Rodgers as their coach would do wonders. Hazard and Rodriguez have an advantage over Sandro and Juanfran, plus they have Iniesta and Thiago in the mid passing...

Sajo has much better fullbacks imo and his offense would have more cohesion than cos' whose only advantage here would be the GK.

[kurple]

i also feel comfortable with coleman on CR.. he should do a fine job
:oldlol:

[b1imtf]

Alen and Sajo get my votes.

Alen and b1 bot have great squads, but that midfield and Lewandowski, with Rodgers as their coach would do wonders. Hazard and Rodriguez have an advantage over Sandro and Juanfran, plus they have Iniesta and Thiago in the mid passing...

Sajo has much better fullbacks imo and his offense would have more cohesion than cos' whose only advantage here would be the GK.
I wouldn't consider James an advantadge over Alex Sandro... Gotta gigve you Hazard/Juanfran though.

[alenleomessi]

:oldlol:
also lets not forget that CR chokes in big games

[b1imtf]

also lets not forget that CR chokes in big games
I have heard from reliable sources that the team's GM dopes him. Don't spread the word please.

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png

alenleomessi vs b1imtf 3-3 ( pezt, jasi, sajo - kc16, kurple, ljj )

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9659896&postcount=1055

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660801&postcount=1067

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png


cos88 vs bosnian sajo 3-3 (b1imtf, alen, kurple - pezt, kc16, jasi )

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187


the first team that has a 2 votes advantage goes to the final ( ex: 5-3, 6-4 ). it would not be fair to advance only by 1 vote.



well i said first team to get a 2 votes advantage goes to the final, and the score was 6-3 for me now it's 6-5. i can't let this forever on, everybody had 4-5 days to vote. if no one is voting for the next 6h i'm making the final matchup :confusedshrug:


cos88 - bosnian sajo 6-5
b1imtf - alen 6-4

[Bosnian Sajo]

well i said first team to get a 2 votes advantage goes to the final, and the score was 6-3 for me now it's 6-5. i can't let this forever on, everybody had 4-5 days to vote. if no one is voting for the next 6h i'm making the final matchup :confusedshrug:


cos88 - bosnian sajo 6-5
b1imtf - alen 6-4

wtf are you talking about, it hasn't even been 2 days :biggums: You posted the matchups on the 25th 6am, it's the 27th 2am right now. Chill, it's the semi finals, let the people have some time to vote.

[cos88]

wtf are you talking about, it hasn't even been 2 days :biggums: You posted the matchups on the 25th 6am, it's the 27th 2am right now. Chill, it's the semi finals, let the people have some time to vote.

well i said first to 2 advantage goes through when it was 3-3 so technically i should be making the final matchup but i understand you are down so ok, i'll let people vote. :confusedshrug:

[Bosnian Sajo]

well i said first to 2 advantage goes through when it was 3-3 so technically i should be making the final matchup but i understand you are down so ok, i'll let people vote. :confusedshrug:

We have to have a set of rules dammit, every round is different. Best out of 7, first with 2 vote lead, first to 5, it's completely inconsistent. And then you try to play it off "well since you're down" :oldlol: Get real.

[cos88]

We have to have a set of rules dammit, every round is different. Best out of 7, first with 2 vote lead, first to 5, it's completely inconsistent. And then you try to play it off "well since you're down" :oldlol: Get real.


can't do best of 7/8 or 10.


some people vote on a matchup some no. first rounds all posters vote as they are still in competition but when they get eliminated they lose interest :confusedshrug:


how much time do you want to wait ? 1 more day 2?

[Bosnian Sajo]

can't do best of 7/8 or 10.


some people vote on a matchup some no. first rounds all posters vote as they are still in competition but when they get eliminated they lose interest :confusedshrug:


how much time do you want to wait ? 1 more day 2?

I understand but we still have to place a set of rules that don't change. Best out of 7 1st round/2nd round, best out of 9 semi finals, first to 7 finals. I know it's to late to do that for this one, but I'm speaking for the draft that is currently underway.

Interest has obviously not been lost considering our matchup has 11 votes on it and Alen's has 10, more than any I remember from this draft.

Concerning these current matchups, I'm fine with one more day. So tomorrow 3am EST votes are final and we go into the finals.

[AirTupac]

b1 and Bosnian Sajo

I wasnt gonna vote for b1 as he has to many serbs on his team. lol kidding.

[b1imtf]

b1 and Bosnian Sajo

I wasnt gonna vote for b1 as he has to many serbs on his team. lol kidding.
:coleman:

[cos88]

cos88 - bosnian sajo 6-6
b1imtf - alen 7-4


voting until tomorrow. vote please

[cos88]

bump

[cos88]

just remembered i forgot to vote in the other semi matchup that i'm not involved. will vote in the morning.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Bumpppp

tied 6-6, 1 vote needed as a tie breaker.

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/J1jGy.gif

[Bosnian Sajo]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png


cos88 vs bosnian sajo

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187[/CENTER]

Just one more vote people, and we can then start the finals.

[knickballer]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/oqA3i.png


cos88 vs bosnian sajo

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9683854&postcount=1187[/CENTER]

Just one more vote people, and we can then start the finals.


I vote for cos

sorry sajo

[Bosnian Sajo]

I vote for cos

sorry sajo

You're the deciding vote, don't even care to explain what factored in your decision?

[cos88]

I vote for cos

sorry sajo


:rockon: :cheers: :rockon:


will make the final matchup, the winner will have a free first round in the current draft if another guy quits ( jasi is the first ).



i feel bad for alen and sajo. both had great teams and just like i said before we 4 have the best teams in the tournament. if it counts alen would get my vote, no need to explain why as i did it before in the previous matchups. also it doesn't even matter as b1 is in the finals.

[Overdrive]

Was about to drop in and vote, as cos ones me. Wanted to go with Sajo, as I think their teams are even, but his offensive players are hotter right now.

[knickballer]

You're the deciding vote, don't even care to explain what factored in your decision?

I like his squad better. Cos final third is dynamite and I think your team will struggle with possession(which is odd for a pep squad). I also don't think there's enough cover in your midfield. Sure both Gerrard and Khedira play deep in the field but Gerrard doesn't have the legs to cover the midfield, khedira always seemed a bit overrated to me.

[Andrew Wiggins]

voting closed? if not, my vote goes to cos88. i think his squad meshes together better

as has been said before, one of the things that detracts from sajo's lineup is that pep is the coach and khedira doesn't suit the holding role in that style

[Jasi]

Ok i think last vote settles the situation.
Final matchup?

[cos88]

Ok i think last vote settles the situation.
Final matchup?

i will make it as soon as b1 gets online. pm him if he wants to make any adjustments cuz i will :confusedshrug:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Was about to drop in and vote, as cos ones me. Wanted to go with Sajo, as I think their teams are even, but his offensive players are hotter right now.

Wish you would of come a little earlier :oldlol:

[b1imtf]

i will make it as soon as b1 gets online. pm him if he wants to make any adjustments cuz i will :confusedshrug:
Adjustments? You scared of me? :banana: :banana: :banana:

[cos88]

Adjustments? You scared of me? :banana: :banana: :banana:

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/EDdZU.gif

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/IlyF.jpg

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b1imtf vs cos88

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9660801&postcount=1067

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9661656&postcount=1101


http://www.ultraimg.com/images/1piaE.jpg

[LJJ]

Tough matchup. Both very strong, balanced teams. I think a lot has been sad about these teams so I'm just going to list some + and - of both sides

b1imtf
+Cristiano Ronaldo is the world player of the year and clearly a level above any player other than Messi
+Subotic-Cahill-Matic is a very strong block centrally defensively
+With Cristiano on the left side and Modric on the RCM with so many players surrounding them who like to make runs there is good team chemistry.
-Juanfran and Alex Sandro are pretty damn mediocre selections
-Sturridge thrives this season playing off Suarez. Don't know how well he would do when he isn't playing off a better CF

cos88
+What needs to be said about Zlatan? A goal scoring machine these days and he doesn't need a lot of service and he creates for others.
+With Di Maria and Robben it's definitely an All Star striker team compared to the opponent
+Such a hard working midfield
+Just like the opposing side the FB's are decidedly mediocre
-Skrtel-Luiz-Wilshere-De Rossi is kind of flimsy looking defensively compared to the opponent, aside from De Rossi.
-pet peeve, but De Rossi and Wilshere are wrongly positioned. They are suffering from reduced effectiveness in this formation

At the end of the day I'm going to go with b1itmf. Offensively I think both teams have an equal force. B1 has the best striker, but cos88 strikers are better than his other two. B1 has a little more playmaking, cos has more firepower. B1 has more help from his fullbacks, but cos88 has a better midfield offensively, etc. Very equal on offense.
Defensively I think B1 has the clear edge. Not only are his CB's superior, his forwards are also more willing to put in offensively. They will have a strong team defense. Cos' team is less balanced defensively and the quality isn't as high.

[kc16]

I'm going to have to agree with LJJ on this one and go with B1. Definitely agree both superior offenses and IMO the two best offensives, defensively though B1 gets the edge from me. As much as I like David Luiz, I don't think he is very disciplined CB, same with Skrtel. I personally like the personal of B1 back four a bit more as well as Matic playing at CDM. As said I like B1 in a close matchup.

[cos88]

Thanks for voting.

I think his defensive line is overrated, especially by his selection of Subotic. We are talking about the 2013-2014 Subotic not the one that played fantastic in the UCL run a year before. He was injured most of the season, only played 18 games in the last 9 months ( every game included, serbia too ).

For me Arbeloa is just better than Juanfran and the fact the one is the starter for Spain and one is a backup tells all. maybe he is the sexy pick at this time because Atletico is at the top and Arbeloa is subpar of offense but he just is a better player. No need to say why Courtois is 1 tier above Lloris, who in a bad day can recive 4-5 goals and have a miserable game as he did from time to time since joining Tottenham. also clichy > alex sandro ( the worst player on the pitch ).


I also don't think Ronaldo - Cuadrado - Sturridge are equal to di Maria - Robben - Zlatan. The difference between Sturridge and Zlatan is way bigger than the one between di Maria and Ronaldo. Also even with his his great season you can't compare Cuadrado and Robben. Not saying i have the perfect squad, did a mistake by taking Wilshere and so My biggest disadvantage is the middle 3 vs mine, but that's why i went with veteran world-class coach to help with my flaws there.

[Jasi]

Very close call, imo Sajo had the best team of the draft, but I'm gonna roll with b1itmf because there's a few flaws in cos' team (Hasmik in his worst season, current Lippi is out of major football, worse defense line).

[kurple]

-Juanfran and Alex Sandro are pretty damn mediocre selections
whats wrong with juanfran? starting RB on the current leaders of la liga, and still in CL

its this season, right?

[cos88]

Very close call, imo Sajo had the best team of the draft, but I'm gonna roll with b1itmf because there's a few flaws in cos' team (Hasmik in his worst season, current Lippi is out of major football, worse defense line).



for sure i am subjective but i just explained why i consider the 4 on my defensive line and the three forwards better. robben, di maria, zlatan > ronaldo, cuadrado, sturridge is not debatable, explained that 2 times why. subotic is not the subotic from last year, if he was his line would be better. he played 18 games in 9 months, unlike luiz and skrtel who play for two of the top 3 in england.

aslo lippi is a big advantage the guy is a world class coach just won the ucl in china unlike conte who didn't won a single cup in his entire coaching career. it's like saying you would choose frank vogel rather than pat riley or phil jackson, beacause both didn't coach in many years. conte doesn't play even the system he knows with b1's team :confusedshrug: 3-0 b1 so far, i have no problem with that hope i can get some votes and convince some posters about liking my team better.

[b1imtf]

Lol I though I was gonna get trounced.

[LJJ]

for sure i am subjective but i just explained why i consider the 4 on my defensive line and the three forwards better. robben, di maria, zlatan > ronaldo, cuadrado, sturridge is not debatable, explained that 2 times why. subotic is not the subotic from last year, if he was his line would be better. he played 18 games in 9 months, unlike luiz and skrtel who play for two of the top 3 in england.

aslo lippi is a big advantage the guy is a world class coach just won the ucl in china unlike conte who didn't won a single cup in his entire coaching career. it's like saying you would choose frank vogel rather than pat riley or phil jackson, beacause both didn't coach in many years. conte doesn't play even the system he knows with b1's team :confusedshrug: 3-0 b1 so far, i have no problem with that hope i can get some votes and convince some posters about liking my team better.

Chelsea's defense is good largely because Luiz spends a lot of time on the bench these days. Liverpool's defense is tepid. Can't believe you are actually trying to argue with that.

Obviously people are judging Subotic on his performance when he is injury free. He tore his ACL and he can't play football at all right now. That's not relevant to this discussion.

[cos88]

bump, as this is the last mathcup tournament we have the winner as i said wins a ''bye'' for the next draft. 3-0 which is pretty embarassing for me as b1 said i was expecting a closer mathcup :facepalm

[b1imtf]

Greatest accomplishment in my life. Will go in my CV. Emotional stuff :cry:

[cos88]

Greatest accomplishment in my life. Will go in my CV. Emotional stuff :cry:

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[alenleomessi]

b1

[Bosnian Sajo]

I don't understand how it can be 4-0 for b1 if mine and cos's matchup went 8-7.

Youngin lost votes to nick young and alen, yet he is gonna sweep cos who defeated both my team and Jasi's in rounds prior? Yall voting ain't consistent at all. If cos can beat Messi with star studded teammates like Benzema, Strootman, Pirlo, Marquinhos etc. why can't he defeat Ronaldo's team?

[alenleomessi]

its all about fits and matchup.. i personally think cos has two of the most horrible professional players at full backs(arbeloa and clichy) and they go against two of the most dangerous wingers..
so i dont really need to check the rest of the squads ( which are pretty equal)

[b1imtf]

I don't understand how it can be 4-0 for b1 if mine and cos's matchup went 8-7.

Youngin lost votes to nick young and alen, yet he is gonna sweep cos who defeated both my team and Jasi's in rounds prior? Yall voting ain't consistent at all. If cos can beat Messi with star studded teammates like Benzema, Strootman, Pirlo, Marquinhos etc. why can't he defeat Ronaldo's team?
Bribes.

[cos88]

ok so in the next 24h i'll make it official. jasi and b1 will have a free pass for the first round, with jasi as the first choice.

[Bosnian Sajo]

cos88

Stupid ass voting system, all we need is 3 or 5 judges to vote on each match in the deciding rounds like the semi's and finals, the first 2 rounds can be up to us all.

[cos88]

cos88

Stupid ass voting system, all we need is 3 or 5 judges to vote on each match in the deciding rounds like the semi's and finals, the first 2 rounds can be up to us all.


hard to pick the judges...


we have 8 quarter finals ( 8 matches 16 posters minus 2 that play ). should everyone post their votes for the curent matchup as in 10-4, 14-0, 8-6 ) or else be disQ ? if lazy just post a name ...

[Bosnian Sajo]

hard to pick the judges...


we have 8 quarter finals ( 8 matches 16 posters minus 2 that play ). should everyone post their votes for the curent matchup as in 10-4, 14-0, 8-6 ) or else be disQ ? if lazy just post a name ...

I don't understand what you're asking.

[cos88]

I don't understand what you're asking.





every serious poster is already involed in this tournament.



a better rule would be if all 16 would vote (14 - their matchup ) if they did not vote they whould beDQ. wtf is that hard, just name a poster if you cant say more. who the hell would be the judges??

[Bosnian Sajo]

I agree with that. btw cos you were skipped in the other draft...go pick.

[Jasi]

I can only think of Lebowsky, Uncle Drew and Grinder as credible judges for the other draft.
If they all agree it is feasible, we'll have a best of three judgement.

When I am eliminated (probably will early) I can be a judge as well and so will some other eliminated participant, so the later rounds will be best of 5.


btw congrats b1! :cheers:

[cos88]

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some fun facts:

1. both finalists won 6-0 in the first round and lost 2 games in the quarterfinals

2. in the semifinals b1 was down 0-1 and 1-3 vs alen but won by a 4.

3. cos88 had a tougher road to the finals with close matchups vs jasi and bosniansajo.

4. b1 had the first pick ( ronaldo ) cos88 had the third pick ( zlatan ).

5. draft steals: marcelo, javi martinez in round 5, ivanovic, cahill in round 6, khedira, marchisio in round 7, varane, gerrard in round 8, zabaleta, cuadrado in round 9 or cech, verratti in round 10.

6. best defensive line: nick young's alba - silva - varane - piszcek chris99's cole - chellini - bonucci - zabaleta or iamgine's maxwell - terry - miranda - lahm

7. best midfielders: b1's marchisio - modric - matic, sajo's gerrard - khedira - muller or alen's matuidi - alcantara - iniesta.

8. best attacking trio: cos88's di maria - robben - zlatan, clutch melo's lavezzi - bale - higuain or jasi's isco - benzema - messi.

CONGRATS B1
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