Shut up about conferences being unbalanced. It doesn't ****ing matter.

[Orlando Magic]

The best team ALMOST ALWAYS wins the title.

The **** does the rest even matter? Seriously? With even the first round now being a 7 game series, fluke wins don't really happen anymore.

I don't want to hear any of this shit about having a harder path to the Finals, either.

You get too much rest, you're at a disadvantage.
You don't get enough rest, you're at a disadvantage.

Blah blah blah blah blah...

Champions for the past 10 years

14 - ? (probably EAST FYI)
13 - EAST
12 - EAST
11 - WEST
10 - WEST
09 - WEST
08 - EAST
07 - WEST
06 - EAST
05 - WEST
04 - EAST

Either way, it's split down the middle. And the West has been the better overall conference for at LEAST the past 10 years... actually it's longer than that.

Anyways... point is... what, are you guys butthurt because your team didn't squeeze into that 7 or 8 spot out West only to get trounced by OKC or SA in the first round? LOL.

I mean seriously... who wants to get to the first round and lose? Who gives a ****? It's title or bust. Maybe my viewpoint on title or bust is different from all of yours but really, the game is played on a professional level to WIN. And to WIN, you need to be THE champion. And only one team is getting it... it sure as shit aint your shitty 7th or 8th seeded team out West, regardless if they got moved to the East midseason and had the 3rd best record in their conference.

How many major upsets have we seen out of an 8 seed since the 7 game series began? GS over Dallas? That's a fluke and not the norm. Conferences don't matter. The best team is taking the title.

tldr; Shut the **** up, because conferences DON'T matter.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Conditions four home court matter ya know? That is why we have playoff seedings.

[imdaman99]

The difference is that the team that comes out of the West has been through WAR to get to the Finals.

Meanwhile Miami or Indiana will have 1 difficult round, 2 max.

This is what happens when 3 guys originally in the EAST team up to ruin competition in their conference.

[Orlando Magic]

The difference is that the team that comes out of the West has been through WAR to get to the Finals.

Meanwhile Miami or Indiana will have 1 difficult round, 2 max.

This is what happens when 3 guys originally in the EAST team up to ruin competition in their conference.

And do you honestly think that having to get through tougher teams to get through the West matters? They're all 7 game series... everyone is tired at this point in the season... the best team is going to Win.

And do you honestly think the East is that much worse because of Miami? Really? The East is ****ing FULL of retarded GMs.

FYI Miami has a better record against Western conference teams than East.

[CelticBaller]

The west can't play d, and that wins championships

[mattvNJ]

i dont see how it doesnt matter... Your beat by the time you get to west, let alone the fight for your playoff seed. Miami has a cake walk to the finals on their last two runs. I dont see how you can claim it doesnt matter. Miami would be a 3-4 seed in the west considering them being a two seed right now. Wade and Bosh would be beat as hell aswell.

[Rocketswin2013]

The west can't play d, and that wins championships
Really? The Spurs pretty much outplayed Miami last season and should have won
And trust me it's much easier to be a "great" defensive team statistically in the East.

[Orlando Magic]

i dont see how it doesnt matter... Your beat by the time you get to west, let alone the fight for your playoff seed. Miami has a cake walk to the finals on their last two runs. I dont see how you can claim it doesnt matter. Miami would be a 3-4 seed in the west considering them being a two seed right now. Wade and Bosh would be beat as hell aswell.

Cake walk?

Miami played TWO MORE games than the Spurs in the 2013 playoffs.

Next please.

[CelticBaller]

Really? The Spurs pretty much outplayed Miami last season and should have won.
Too bad

[Orlando Magic]

Really? The Spurs pretty much outplayed Miami last season and should have won
And trust me it's much easier to be a "great" defensive team statistically in the East.

No, they didn't pretty much outplay them. They lost. They didn't outplay them.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Really? The Spurs pretty much outplayed Miami last season and should have won
And trust me it's much easier to be a "great" defensive team statistically in the East.

They outplayed them and still lost? :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

i dont see how it doesnt matter... Your beat by the time you get to west, let alone the fight for your playoff seed. Miami has a cake walk to the finals on their last two runs. I dont see how you can claim it doesnt matter. Miami would be a 3-4 seed in the west considering them being a two seed right now. Wade and Bosh would be beat as hell aswell.

Exactly. Like I said seedings and homecourt matter. Not sure why OP is just brushing it off.

[Rocketswin2013]

And do you honestly think that having to get through tougher teams to get through the West matters? They're all 7 game series... everyone is tired at this point in the season... the best team is going to Win.

And do you honestly think the East is that much worse because of Miami? Really? The East is ****ing FULL of retarded GMs.

FYI Miami has a better record against Western conference teams than East.
The only reason why Miami plays the West good is because they can literally half-ass all week and give minimum effort and rest Wade until they play the real competition.

There's no way they are playing Memphis, Minnesota, LAC, and Phoenix 4 straight games(yes that type of schedule is just another week in the West) and resting Wade in any of them. With that, Wade would have too much mileage to have a chance in the West playoffs.

[Orlando Magic]

Exactly. Like I said seedings and homecourt matter. Not sure why OP is just brushing it off.

Seeding doesn't matter unless you happen to run into a team that just matches up better against YOUR team... like the Warriors vs Mavericks from years back... the Warriors were NOT the better team... it was just a matchup thing.

Let's put it this way... using examples of GS & DAL... they both play 82 games during the season but never each other... DAL goes 82 and 0 and GS goes 0 and 82... meet in playoffs... DAL gets swept. Does that make GS better? Shit no. It's team by team matchups and seeding can work for you or against you in that SINGLE instance, but overall seeding doesn't matter.

Home court does matter... so then determine home court another way, but that's not the chief complaint people have about the conferences being unbalanced... it's just because people like to complain and pretend their team would win the title if they switched conferences when the reality is their team would not win the title regardless.

[imdaman99]

Cake walk?

Miami played TWO MORE games than the Spurs in the 2013 playoffs.

Next please.
Yes a cakewalk. Just because they are having problems against a team that didn't win 50 games, doesn't mean it shouldn't be a cakewalk.

[Orlando Magic]

Yes a cakewalk. Just because they are having problems against a team that didn't win 50 games, doesn't mean it shouldn't be a cakewalk.

So are you arguing that it took more out of the Spurs to reach the Finals than it did the Heat because the Spurs faced better teams even though they got their quicker and had more rest?

Interesting.

Idiot.

[Big#50]

It matters a lot. Does anyone know if the west travels more? It seems the East teams are closer to each other. Maybe I need some sleep.

[T_L_P]

Why is anyone replying to this troll?

There's nothing you can say to change his mind, so I suggest we move on.

But :oldlol: if he seriously thinks playing in a much weaker conference isn't an advantage.

[3peated]

this is a stupid argument. lets just change basketball to 1 quarter as well, that's all that matters, maybe just a 2 minute game, that's the only part that matters right?


you're a ****ing idiot, there is always a chance for the underdog, and seeing 16 quality teams is better than seeing like 6-10, gtfo.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

If people want to argue that the Heat had a cakewalk to the Finals last year, then you can argue the same about the Spurs. They faced an absolute trash Lakers team in the first round. Then they struggled against an injury-ridden young Warriors team in the second round. Finally they face a very-offensively challenged Grizzlies team in the WCF, who had no place being there if Westbrook hadn't gotten injured. So what exactly was so hard about their run?

[Big#50]

If people want to argue that the Heat had a cakewalk to the Finals last year, then you can argue the same about the Spurs. They faced an absolute trash Lakers team in the first round. Then they struggled against an injury-ridden young Warriors team in the second round. Finally they face a very-offensively challenged Grizzlies team in the WCF, who had no place being there if Westbrook hadn't gotten injured. So what exactly was so hard about their run?
I think the Grizz series had two overtime games. And they play very physical. I think last season The Heat and Spurs had the same road to the finals. Manu and POP happened.

[Big#50]

And the Regular Season is what matters even more. Playing those East teams 50 times is much easier than the West where youre playing tough opposition every freaking game.

[3peated]

guys i just had a revelation. what if the east teams are so good they are just getting lucky by trading wins and thats why their records are worse


woahhhhh

[Rocketswin2013]

Dwight Howard getting traded, Derrick Rose's injury and the Celtics breaking down is what made the talent difference so huge. The Heat' s big 3 didn't help but I don't think the impact was that crucial.

[3peated]

Dwight Howard getting traded, Derrick Rose's injury and the Celtics breaking down is what made the talent difference so huge. The Heat' s big 3 didn't help but I don't think the impact was that crucial.


big 3 hurt it a lot at first, but some might argue that melo/amre going to ny should have evened it out a bit. howard being shipped out hurt a lot too

[navy]

Yes a cakewalk. Just because they are having problems against a team that didn't win 50 games, doesn't mean it shouldn't be a cakewalk.
There is a difference between it was a cake walk and it should have been a cakewalk. The Heat had a harder time getting to the Finals then the Spurs did last year. That is a fact.

In the end the best teams always win out.

[UK2K]

So having a series against Atlanta, Toronto, Indy is the same as series against Portland, LAC, OKC?

Please tell me more

[IncarceratedBob]

All I know is that LeBron played in the Western Conference his entire career he wouldn't be nearly as great as he is today. It's a completely different level of play

[edrick]

All I know is that LeBron played in the Western Conference his entire career he wouldn't be nearly as great as he is today. It's a completely different level of play

The heat have a great record against the amazing west. :rolleyes:

[UK2K]

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh could all rotate taking nights off til the ECF.

That is an advantage.

[IncarceratedBob]

The heat have a great record against the amazing west. :rolleyes:
im sure they do, the heat are a great team. what does that have anything to do with what I said?

[edrick]

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh could all rotate taking nights off til the ECF.

That is an advantage.

The Heat have played more basketball than any other team since they joined forces. Especially Lebron.


im sure they do, the heat are a great team. what does that have anything to do with what I said?

You can't say Lebron would be a lesser player if he played in the West, there are far too many variables.

[qrich]

Only "East" fans ever make such idiotic claims.

[ABfor3]

Easy conference= easy path to playoffs

[kamil]

The difference is that the team that comes out of the West has been through WAR to get to the Finals.

Meanwhile Miami or Indiana will have 1 difficult round, 2 max.

This is what happens when 3 guys originally in the EAST team up to ruin competition in their conference.

Actually, there will ONLY be one difficult round for the ENTIRE eastern conferece; Miami vs. Indiana

The rest of the eastern playoff games will be a snoozefest. But yeah, teams in the west will have to go through hell.

[Milbuck]

Good god OP is an obnoxious little shit :oldlol:

You're wrong. Accept it and move on. Defending it relentlessly like a hostile pre-pubescent bitch isn't gonna do you any favors.

[Basketbolero]

Username: Orlando Magic

Stopped reading there.

[eliteballer]

Orlando Magic aka HOgun Ramen aka the 6-6 bowl cut chump who can't dunk isn't qualified to tell us ANYTHING about basketball.

Of course it matters. It's more wear and tear and minutes throughout the season/playoffs.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Good god OP is an obnoxious little shit

Sums up this thread nicely.

[EnoughSaid]

Miami might actually could have it easier to play in the West. All these fast running and offensively based teams. I'd take the Western teams over games vs. the Pacers, Bulls and Nets.

[russwest0]

The west can't play d, and that wins championships

The Miami Heat have a DRTG so low that only one team since the merger has ever won the chip with that low of a DRTG.

[(e)]

OP showing he is biased towards East. Why else would you say that the Champ probably comes from East, and is also saying conferences don't matter when the East is clearly inferior.

[aj1987]

The Miami Heat have a DRTG so low that only one team since the merger has ever won the chip with that low of a DRTG.
'95 Rockets - 107.4
'93 Bulls - 106.1
'88 Lakers - 107.3
'87 Lakers - 106.5
'85 Lakers - 107.0

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Inb4 pace!!1 and you can't compare drtg over different eras.

[russwest0]

'95 Rockets - 107.4
'93 Bulls - 106.1
'88 Lakers - 107.3
'87 Lakers - 106.5
'85 Lakers - 107.0

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Inb4 pace!!1 and you can't compare drtg over different eras.

Nah, it's only one team has finished outside of the top 10 in DRTG and went on to win it all that year. It was the Lakers squad.

[Milbuck]

'95 Rockets - 107.4
'93 Bulls - 106.1
'88 Lakers - 107.3
'87 Lakers - 106.5
'85 Lakers - 107.0

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Inb4 pace!!1 and you can't compare drtg over different eras.
I think he meant in terms of league rank. In which case, he's right considering all the teams you mentioned were ranked higher in their respective seasons.

And are you arguing that pace doesn't matter?

[aj1987]

Nah, it's only one team has finished outside of the top 10 in DRTG and went on to win it all that year. It was the Lakers squad.
Actually, it was the '95 Rockets.


And are you arguing that pace doesn't matter?
Of course it does. When did I say otherwise?

[All Net]

Getting tough series after tough series is very underrated as come finals time if you are banged up it will make a big difference in a finals against a more rested team.

[Black Mamba's B]

Says the op named Orlando Magic

[russwest0]

The difference is the Heat have two bye rounds in the playoffs so if they get to the finals they may have more energy to defend than a team coming out of the West going through three brutal series.

Though the Heat are also old as hell so who knows.

[InfiniteBaskets]

This year looks like Brooklyn, Chicago, and possibly the Raps would offer a tougher round than any of the 7-8 west seeds could.

OKC and San Antonio most likely won't have to go through "War" in the first round against an aging Dirk and an inexperienced young Suns team. I will be surprised if either of the first round games for OKC or SA get to 6 games.

In the second round, in terms of wear and tear, Chicago and Brooklyn are both physical teams that can wear down Miami/Indy just as much as a team like Houston or Clippers. Not saying they're better teams overall, but they will wipe you out over the series.

[FLDFSU]

The difference is that the team that comes out of the West has been through WAR to get to the Finals.

Meanwhile Miami or Indiana will have 1 difficult round, 2 max.

This is what happens when 3 guys originally in the EAST team up to ruin competition in their conference.

I know right, Stern should have veto that KG trade to Boston!

[zoom17]

Didn't the Spurs have a long rest before facing Miami?

[T_L_P]

This year looks like Brooklyn, Chicago, and possibly the Raps would offer a tougher round than any of the 7-8 west seeds could.

OKC and San Antonio most likely won't have to go through "War" in the first round against an aging Dirk and an inexperienced young Suns team. I will be surprised if either of the first round games for OKC or SA get to 6 games.

In the second round, in terms of wear and tear, Chicago and Brooklyn are both physical teams that can wear down Miami/Indy just as much as a team like Houston or Clippers. Not saying they're better teams overall, but they will wipe you out over the series.

Well, the Grizz will almost definitely have to face one of SA or OKC in the first round; that's a much more physical and draining team than Chicago or Brooklyn :confusedshrug:

Then in the second round they'll be facing the likes of the Rockets, the Clippers, the Warriors, who are all better than any team Miami will have to face except for the Pacers.

[NumberSix]

The west can't play d, and that wins championships
This. It's actually more of a brutal struggle to go through bad teams with good/tough defenses than it is to go through chucker teams in the West.

A series against CHI is more taxing than a series against LAC.

[oarabbus]

Says the op named Orlando Magic


:roll: :roll: Dumbass OP.



This. It's actually more of a brutal struggle to go through bad teams with good/tough defenses than it is to go through chucker teams in the West.

A series against CHI is more taxing than a series against LAC.


Well.... yeah. NOBODY wants to play the Bulls. Playing a Thibs team is brutal for everyone involved, including Thibs and his players. I've said it for a while now, the Bulls are the team nobody wants to play in the East.

But a series vs. LAC (or Mavs, or Blazers, or Warriors...) is FAR more taxing than the Bobcats. Or Wizards. Or Nets. Or Hawks. Hell maybe even the Raptors. Or Cavs. Or Knicks.

Sorry, but no one is more afraid of John Wall than they are of Dirk in the postseason.




Some day, the West will be incredibly weak outside of one or two teams. And when that time comes, all Eastern conference fans can bitch and moan (like we are now) and they will be RIGHT to do so. But for now, you have to accept that the conferences are horribly imbalanced and it isn't doing any favors for the league.

[T_L_P]

Memphis are proving you wrong right now :roll:

[aj1987]

Memphis are proving you wrong right now :roll:
If you haven't been paying attention, Miami has lost to the Bulls, Nets, and Celtics recently.

[smoovegittar]

I don't know man... I don't think Miami has a "cakewalk". Something's not right with the Heat - I think time's catching up. I could be totally off base here, but I think the Nets and Bulls could soften them up pretty good.

[ILLsmak]

Seeding doesn't matter unless you happen to run into a team that just matches up better against YOUR team... like the Warriors vs Mavericks from years back... the Warriors were NOT the better team... it was just a matchup thing.

Let's put it this way... using examples of GS & DAL... they both play 82 games during the season but never each other... DAL goes 82 and 0 and GS goes 0 and 82... meet in playoffs... DAL gets swept. Does that make GS better? Shit no. It's team by team matchups and seeding can work for you or against you in that SINGLE instance, but overall seeding doesn't matter.

Home court does matter... so then determine home court another way, but that's not the chief complaint people have about the conferences being unbalanced... it's just because people like to complain and pretend their team would win the title if they switched conferences when the reality is their team would not win the title regardless.

Seems to me that seeding and home court are related in some way.

The thing I hate about these arguments is people say "The better team always wins..." and it's like rly? And the reply is always, of course, they won.

Here's a science fact: Everything matters. Especially when things can be so equal otherwise. We saw it with TD sitting on the bench and the Heat hitting a 3 that then allowed them to win the series. IF something like one play matters in the greater scheme, you don't think that the teams you play at least 12 times before the finals matter?

Arite.

-Smak