now can we put this Durant vs Prime Tmac debate to rest?

[Bigsmoke]

Tracy McGrady was never on Durant's level and yes..even in his over exaggerated 03 season that landed him out the first round after being up 3-1. Durant is more efficient, best in the clutch, actually win off his production, and he turned into a good passer...

Facts > nostalgic thoughts

[moe94]

T-Mac's game was more aesthetically pleasing and he did his damage before the rule change.

Durant is still better, but calm down. Hell, this debate ended a long time ago. Go fend off the dummies who think Melo is better than Durant.

[JohnFreeman]

Is it offensive to be compared to prime McGrady?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

2012, 2013 and 2014 KD are all better than peak TMac

[Trollsmasher]

Prime Tmac > Durant though

[zoom17]

Prime Tmac was the shit.

[Jacks3]

Peak T-Mac put up 32/7/6/2/30+ PER with a ridiculously low 8.4% turnover rate and fantastic efficiency in a far tougher defensive era. It certainly is debatable.

[IncarceratedBob]

Mac has probably the greatest season we've seen from a SF. So Durant won't compare to that but overall I'll take KD

[Bigsmoke]

Is it offensive to be compared to prime McGrady?
The Thunder been ranked a top 5 offensive team for like 3 years straight with Perkins as their center.


Enough said

[Bigsmoke]

Peak T-Mac put up 32/7/6/2/30+ PER with a ridiculously low 8.4% turnover rate and fantastic efficiency in a far tougher defensive era. It certainly is debatable.
And you're acting like Durant didn't torch the best defenses in the league over the last 3 years.

[JohnFreeman]

And you're acting like Durant didn't torch the best defenses in the league over the last 3 years.
Those defenses cannot be compared.

[DCL]

t-mac was one of my favorite players to watch, but KD > t-mac.

i'd pay more money to watch t-mac, but i'd trust more in KD... if that makes any sense.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

The Thunder been ranked a top 5 offensive team for like 3 years straight with Perkins as their center.


Enough said
And Thabo as SG..........

[miles berg]

TMac was slightly better. TMac, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Grant Hill, & LeBron were the most talented perimeter players I've ever seen.

[atljonesbro]

If you base it off facts, KD is better. If live in the past and are drowned in nostalgia, then Tmac.

[Milbuck]

As far as THIS season is concerned, the debate can't end because the defenses in T-Mac's era were clearly tougher. There were higher quality big men, and the rules weren't as skewed towards perimeter scorers as they are today.

I do think Durant right now is playing at a higher level than T-Mac ever did, but to say there's no case at all without looking at context isn't fair.

[JohnFreeman]

As far as THIS season is concerned, the debate can't end because the defenses in T-Mac's era were clearly tougher. There were higher quality big men, and the rules weren't as skewed towards perimeter scorers as they are today.

I do think Durant right now is playing at a higher level than T-Mac ever did, but to say there's no case at all without looking at context isn't fair.
Exactly Milbuck thank you

[stephanieg]

I don't remember McGrady flopping and flailing his arms.

KD is better just because his body isn't made of rice krispies.

[Im Still Ballin]

Yeah i think this debate is finished.

KD is a level or two below Prime TMAC.

[20Four]

Yeah i think this debate is finished.

KD is a level or two below Prime TMAC.
^ This

[ABfor3]

Yea give peak TMac 10-15 free throws a game and I'm sure he would score 34 ppg in today's league

[Im Still Ballin]

Yea give peak TMac 10-15 free throws a game and I'm sure he would score 34 ppg in today's league

This.

Durant's livin in a bubble

So protected and favoured.

Cant wait to see him in the playoffs were there is a microscope on every game.

Kevins inflated regular season has inevitablely set him and his fans up for dissapointment. When he ain't gettin them free throws he gonna mentally break, cant handle the pressure, as we've come to see from past playoffs.

[SillyRabbit]

ITT:

LeBron stans saying McGrady was better
Everyone else agreeing that Durant is better

[ThePhantomCreep]

This.

Durant's livin in a bubble

So protected and favoured.

Cant wait to see him in the playoffs were there is a microscope on every game.

Kevins inflated regular season has inevitablely set him and his fans up for dissapointment. When he ain't gettin them free throws he gonna mentally break, cant handle the pressure, as we've come to see from past playoffs.

I don't normally point out typos, but you seriously botched LeBron's name here.

[(e)]

Yea give peak TMac 10-15 free throws a game and I'm sure he would score 34 ppg in today's league
Since this is the first season KD has averaged 10+ FTA a game....

Not like others haven't done it in recent years either....

[Im Still Ballin]

I don't normally point out typos, but you seriously botched LeBron's name here.

2 rings.

#Trill

[ILLsmak]

If you base it off facts, KD is better. If live in the past and are drowned in nostalgia, then Tmac.

drowning in t-mac... sounds gay as hell tho.

-Smak

[Cold soul]

As far as THIS season is concerned, the debate can't end because the defenses in T-Mac's era were clearly tougher. There were higher quality big men, and the rules weren't as skewed towards perimeter scorers as they are today.

I do think Durant right now is playing at a higher level than T-Mac ever did, but to say there's no case at all without looking at context isn't fair.

The best post in this thread. :applause:

[atljonesbro]

LeBron stans with the damage control in this thread :applause:

[Bigsmoke]

Tmac could only make it to the Finals when he isn't playing

[Bob Dole]

Durant has atleast 3, if not 4 years that are better than any T-Mac year. He's playing on a level that kobe never even reached.

Hes in the group of bird, jordan, magic, lebron, oscar for peak play from a perimeter player.

[mr.big35]

Tmac never made it out of the first round and we are comparing to player that has a finals appearance.

[zoom17]

^^
If Tmac had the Cast that Durant has He would have gone Further.

[Bigsmoke]

32ppg on 50%

Tmac never been on that level

[Trollsmasher]

peak TMac - 30.3 PER and that was in a tough defensive era

peak Durant - 29.8 PER in the most babied season in the history

TMac was also better defender and infinitely more clutch

[atljonesbro]

It's insane to think people think prime Tmac is better than current Durant. You seriously have to be one nostalgic guy to even fathom that :oldlol:

[Nuff Said]

Tmac never made it out of the first round and we are comparing to player that has a finals appearance.
You seen what happened once tmac had a decent team. He made it to the finals last year and took Miami to 7 games, nearly taking the win.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Durant is absolutely better. There really isn't much of a case to be made for T-Mac. McGrady was one of the biggest playoff chokers ever. I mean, so is Durant but not to that extent.

[scm5]

TMac was slightly better. TMac, Jordan, Bird, Magic, Grant Hill, & LeBron were the most talented perimeter players I've ever seen.

Damn, I'm sorry you've never seen Kobe play.

[Hoopz2332]

peak TMac - 30.3 PER and that was in a tough defensive era

peak Durant - 29.8 PER in the most babied season in the history

TMac was also better defender and infinitely more clutch


:oldlol:

[BlackVVaves]

Damn, I'm sorry you've never seen Kobe play.

Don't mind him. He's been spewing Kobe angst around here for nearly 10 years. Guy was one of the "Kobe will never win without Shaq" droids :lol

Still hasn't recovered. IIRC, he also thinks Dirk was as good as KG, but that might be another deluded Mavs fan.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Its very close.
i would give Tmac the edge because he was never a flopper and never pampered like Durant

[Bigsmoke]

Prime Tmac led his team to the worst record in the NBA:rolleyes:

[Cold soul]

Gotta go with Durant here over prime T-Mac.

[Mr Exlax]

I say TMac because he was a better defender. He bad a more complete game. I don't get how people completely disregard the defensive side of the ball.

[16X]

J Kidd > T-Mac.

You need to look at more than just the stats, people. Are we gonna call Kevin Love one of the GOAT power forwards because of his stats? KD is about to win MVP and go to his second Finals. McGrady couldn't get past the first round with Yao Ming.

[ABfor3]

Kevin Durant gets so many free throws, he throws his body out like he got hit by a truck... TMac had a much much smoother game, actually got fouled every time he went to the free throw line..yes KD has been better but we can't say it's not close. TMac was derailed by injuries, he's one of the biggest what ifs in league history.. What if he stayed healthy with Yao Ming , even with that being said Yao Ming was never healthy.. He had one of the unluckiest nba careers I've seen and last years finals was the cherry on top..was about to get a ring with the spurs and ray Allen hits a game tying shot. There goes his ring

[bizil]

These guys are both on the same level. I've always thought Durant was a mix of T-Mac, Gervin, and even some Bird. But in a 6'11 body. If anything Durant might have the edge because of the mismatches he causes AND his evolving all round game. But T-Mac was every bit the SCORER Durant is and a better passer, but Durant is a great scorer who is ALSO a pure shooter. Very few guys can make that claim. That's guys like West, Dirk, Ray Allen, and Steph Curry. Durant is in that class and arguably the BEST EVER at it. But as much as KD's redefining the SF spot, T-Mac redefined the SG spot too. There was never an SG around 6'9 with T-Mac's dominance and variety of skills.

[zoom17]

Durant because he is more durable I like Tmac but dude body always broke down.

[Nuff Said]

These guys are both on the same level. I've always thought Durant was a mix of T-Mac, Gervin, and even some Bird. But in a 6'11 body. If anything Durant might have the edge because of the mismatches he causes AND his evolving all round game. But T-Mac was every bit the SCORER Durant is and a better passer, but Durant is a great scorer who is ALSO a pure shooter. Very few guys can make that claim. That's guys like West, Dirk, Ray Allen, and Steph Curry. Durant is in that class and arguably the BEST EVER at it. But as much as KD's redefining the SF spot, T-Mac redefined the SG spot too. There was never an SG around 6'9 with T-Mac's dominance and variety of skills.
Dat avy doe:applause:

[NumberSix]

Prime t Mac was better but Durant will have a longer and more successful prime.

[houston]

durant wayyyyyyyy better than tmac

[LongLiveTheKing]

In what way were defenses tougher to years ago?

[Bigsmoke]

Prime t Mac was better but Durant will have a longer and more successful prime.

Tmac prime was more than 1 season. So your telling me 04 and 02 Tmac was as good as 13 and 14 Durant?

[Bigsmoke]

Durant would win the championship averaging 35ppg and ISH members would be like "mum... Tmac still better"

[Marlo_Stanfield]

lol at Durant being better than prime Tmac.
Durant isnt even better than prime Kobe:biggums:

[Bigsmoke]

lol at Durant being better than prime Tmac.
Durant isnt even better than prime Kobe:biggums:

06 Kobe > 03 Tmac

[dunksby]

lol at Durant being better than prime Tmac.
Durant isnt even better than prime Kobe:biggums:
Don't pretend you saw either one's prime, it's priceless when post-2012 Heat fans talk about NBA history :lol