Wilt Chamberlain had 106 consecutive 25+ games

[Iceman#44]

Just to let you know guys...I hate when esp.n made those retarded stats

[Trollsmasher]

choke rating of 37 though

[Smook A.]

Anyone can do that when they play against stick figures

[New World Order]

The strange thing about Wilt is some people at ESPN are old enough to have seen him play. My cousin's father saw Wilt in person several times and had nothing but good things to say about him (nothing like I read on these forums). But they act like he's a thousand year old myth, cap the stats at certain dates to exclude him and go from there. Another player, Oscar Robertson suffers the same. When they do point guard stats on ESPN, they cap it to not include him either.

[Genaro]

ESPN makes me sick about it. NBA to them started when Magic and Bird were drafted.

[senelcoolidge]

you can't take espn seriously. they are just sensational sports news. they are just trying to please the uniformed sports viewer. anything for ratings. it's all high lights and silly nonsensical stats. they are the national enquirer of sports news. i wish there were a real non-biased sports network.

[Psileas]

They only mentioned Durant having the 2nd (or something close to this) longest such streak "in the last 50 years" and not their usual "since the merger" only because they know Wilt's streak came 52 years ago. If Wilt's record had come 49 years ago...yeah, you guessed it. :rolleyes:
BTW, even so, they were wrong by mentioning that Jordan holds the record of the last 50 years (some media had claimed so). Oscar does. Therefore, Durant, for now, falls one position.


The strange thing about Wilt is some people at ESPN are old enough to have seen him play. My cousin's father saw Wilt in person several times and had nothing but good things to say about him (nothing like I read on these forums). But they act like he's a thousand year old myth, cap the stats at certain dates to exclude him and go from there. Another player, Oscar Robertson suffers the same. When they do point guard stats on ESPN, they cap it to not include him either.

Now, the real dilemma is, whose judgement we're going to trust: People who saw Wilt play live or the average ISH troll...

[ThePhantomCreep]

ESPN makes me sick about it. NBA to them started when Magic and Bird were drafted.
It pretty much did (three-point line, ABA style more integrated into NBA game, a plurality of players who could dribble with both hands, etc.)

[Iceman#44]

Wilt = goat scorer

[CavaliersFTW]

Most dominant scorer in NBA history, period end of report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eNdapKU494

[20Four]

Anyone can do that when they play against stick figures
On point Smook lol :bowdown: :bowdown:

[millwad]

Most dominant scorer in NBA history, period end of report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eNdapKU494

In the regular season, not in the playoffs.
He has no case when it comes to the playoffs.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wow casual fans are f*cking retarded when it comes to NBA stats and records they'll believe anything they hear, I see tweet after tweet on Twitter right now about "Wilt's record is safe" and shit as if Durant was actually threatening Wilt's record on consecutive games of 25+

F*cking idiots, Durant wasn't even close to Wilt's 25+ record... Durant if he would have had 25 points would have tied for FOURTH all time in consecutive 25+ games (with Wilt's 4th-from-best stretch of consecutive 25+ games) he was NO WHERE CLOSE to Wilt's actual record of 106.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[buddha]

not impressive. current ncaa has a higher competition level than what Wilt played against.

[no pun intended]

Anyone can do that when they play against stick figures
Wilt didn't play with stick figures. He made them stick figures.

[Angel Face]

Nice, he did it against players who will be pizza delivery boys in today's league.

[BIZARRO]

Man, this board is littered with ridiculously stupid comments about Wilt.

Have some respect. None of us have any idea how good he was because we never saw him play.

But those numbers...

:bowdown:

[Smook A.]

dat competition. His era was pretty easy. Thats why you dont see guys averaging 50 ppg, 25 rpg or 10 blocks anymore. Wilt in this era would probably be a slightly more athletic, less stronger dwight.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/111229062346-2012-02-chamberlain-vertical-gallery.jpg

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt = goat scorer

Most dominant scorer in NBA history, period end of report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eNdapKU494
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n24/betsw88/gifs/mj-laughing.gif

Playoffs
MJ - 33.4 ppg, 56.8 TS%
Wilt - 22.5 ppg, 52.4 TS%

Finals
MJ - 33.6 ppg, 55.9 TS%
Wilt - 18.6 ppg, 52.8 TS%

Playoff scoring titles
MJ - 10 ('86-'87, '89-'93, '96-'98)
Wilt - 1 ('64)

Playoff scoring leader on championship teams
MJ - 6 ('91-'93, '96-'98)
Wilt - 0

[bballnoob1192]

you can't take espn seriously. they are just sensational sports news. they are just trying to please the uniformed sports viewer. anything for ratings. it's all high lights and silly nonsensical stats. they are the national enquirer of sports news. i wish there were a real non-biased sports network.

you are right about espn being sensationalists, but how can sports (being what it is in nature) be discussed objectively anyways. IMO just watch or don't watch espn, but people shouldn't expect them to be objective about anything.

[The-Legend-24]

:oldlol: Nobody cares what Wilt did in that atrocious era he played in.

Same reason why Kobe has the highest scoring game ever and not wilt.

[bdreason]

Numbers don't translate from generation to generation. Wilt couldn't average 50ppg in the modern game, and Oscar Robertson couldn't average a trip-dub in the modern game. It doesn't mean these guys aren't all-time greats... it just means we need to stop pretending numbers can explain everything.

[Psileas]

During Durant's last 50-point game, they once again showed a card with the greatest performances "in the last 50 years". They showed Jordan, Durant and Haywood (the latter at 31 games). Seriously, how clueless are these people? :facepalm Wilt had a streak of 35 such games to end the 1964 season. Kareem had 31 in 1972. And, of course, Oscar's real "in last 50 years" record of 47 wasn't shown once again...

PS. Gotta love anti-Wilt trolls' 1-liners. My Ignore List notifications of their messages cover about as much space on my screen as their comments. :lol

[fpliii]

:oldlol: Nobody cares what Wilt did in that atrocious era he played in.

Same reason why Kobe has the highest scoring game ever and not wilt.
This undercover LeBron stan makes us look so bad every thread in which he posts. :facepalm

[CavaliersFTW]

Bump, Durant still isn't even close no matter what ESPN wants you to believe

[PsychoBe]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n24/betsw88/gifs/mj-laughing.gif

Playoffs
MJ - 33.4 ppg, 56.8 TS%
Wilt - 22.5 ppg, 52.4 TS%

Finals
MJ - 33.6 ppg, 55.9 TS%
Wilt - 18.6 ppg, 52.8 TS%

Playoff scoring titles
MJ - 10 ('86-'87, '89-'93, '96-'98)
Wilt - 1 ('64)

Playoff scoring leader on championship teams
MJ - 6 ('91-'93, '96-'98)
Wilt - 0

the "wilted" one :roll: :roll:

and they are obviously talking about the "modern" nba. you cant compare what happened over half a century ago to now, especially since the rules are so different and there are too many different variables to consider. the modern nba has rules to protect perimeter players, before now, there were rules that mostly favored big-men (camp the lane for as long as they wanted, could back-down their man for as long as they wanted, etc).

so it is wat it is. no need to get upset about it.

[The-Legend-24]

Bump, Durant still isn't even close no matter what ESPN wants you to believe
Nikka mad as fvck Durant is already a better player than Wilt ever was.

:oldlol:

[sd3035]

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n24/betsw88/gifs/mj-laughing.gif

Playoffs
MJ - 33.4 ppg, 56.8 TS%
Wilt - 22.5 ppg, 52.4 TS%

Finals
MJ - 33.6 ppg, 55.9 TS%
Wilt - 18.6 ppg, 52.8 TS%

Playoff scoring titles
MJ - 10 ('86-'87, '89-'93, '96-'98)
Wilt - 1 ('64)

Playoff scoring leader on championship teams
MJ - 6 ('91-'93, '96-'98)
Wilt - 0

That's because only a few teams had any good players on them, and Wilt met them in the playoffs. Wilt's finals stats, although still inflated, are closer to what he would have averaged in today's game

[Keno]

Nikka mad as fvck Durant is already a better player than Wilt ever was.

:oldlol:

then according to you durant is already better than kobe ever was too. lmaoooo, kobe stans that turned durant stans are completely lost on who to dickride now that kobe is gone.

[WillC]

It makes no sense to me that ESPN are allowed to state 'facts' which are so blatantly wrong.

Back in November, I advised my friend in Britain (who is a big time gambler) to put money on Durant winning the MVP award. He went ahead and took my advice (and I did the same). He's watched Durant's performances closely this season as a result. He sent me a message yesterday raving about Durant's 25+ point streak, saying how he is on track for the NBA record.

When I pointed out that Wilt Chamberlain owns the record, he was astonished. You just wouldn't get the BBC or other British news channels making stuff up like ESPN do.

ESPN are completely re-writing history. It is extremely ignorant and offensive.

[Yankstar]

Weak era :no:

[WillC]

Weak era :no:

It's easy for casual fans to pipe up with that explanation, but it's simply not true.

Back then there were only 8 teams in the league, meaning Wilt Chamberlain faced Bill Russell far more often than, say, Kevin Durant faces LeBron James in today's NBA.

How easy do you think it was to drop 25+ points on Bill Russell?

Meanwhile, nearly every team was loaded with superstars; Jerry West and Elgin Baylor in LA, Oscar Robertson and Jerry Lucas in Cincinnati, Bob Pettit and Lenny Wilkens in St. Louis, Bill Russell, Sam Jones, Bob Cousy (etc) in Boston. The list goes on.

You'd think one of those teams would slow down Wilt once during his 106 game run... surely?

But no.

Wilt was simply that dominant.

[Flush]

Im just waiting for CavaliersFTW to come to this thread and to explode on you fools. :applause:

[bisk]

The guy had a season where he was averaging like 40 FGA and 17 FTA per game in an era where there was mainly white trash playing.

Every normal basketball fan knows that not a single ancient Wilt stat/record should be taken seriously. EVER.

[WillC]

The guy had a season where he was averaging like 40 FGA and 17 FTA per game in an era where there was mainly white trash playing.

Every normal basketball fan knows that not a single ancient Wilt stat/record should be taken seriously. EVER.

I guess we should also forget about his team's consecutive 33 game winning streak too?

Even though that happened in a mostly black league?

[Kblaze8855]

Records just are what they are. You stop counting the ones that are amazing whats the point of keeping records? They are supposed to be amazing. Difficult to match. Some damn near impossible. We don't need t lower the standards and pretend people don't exist.

When you play impacts you ability to set records. The 60s ran more...they get points and rebounds. But guess what? They didn't track blocks or steals and they didn't count an assist if the player dribbled before shooting.

So modern guards get to climb past guys who had more of what we call assists....Russell and Wilt don't get the block records they deserved....and who knows how many steals Jerry West should have? They only tracked them in his final season....he played only 31 games and averaged 2.6 steals in just 31 minutes of play. What do you think he did in his prime? 4-5 a game some years? Whatever it was.....we will never know and he wont get credit.

His shots from 25 feet don't count as threes, Russell doesn't get to have the most finals MVPS, and on and on it goes.

We don't strip modern players of assist records because Oscar might have been at 16 a game with our loose definition.

Records just are what they are.

[Marchesk]

It's not just the overall numbers, it's that Wilt led the league in scoring 7 straight seasons (tied with MJ) starting his rookie season, led the league in rebounding 11 seasons (record) with another all-time great rebounder in Russell in the league, led the league in FG% 9 times, was the only center to lead the league in assists, and would have been right there with Russell in blocked shots every single season.

You can't say that about anybody else in history. Dude was a league leader in multiple categories throughout his career. When he wasn't a scoring leader, he was still a rebounding, shot-blocking monster shooting over 60% and handing out a lot of assists.

[Marchesk]

Records just are what they are. You stop counting the ones that are amazing whats the point of keeping records? They are supposed to be amazing. Difficult to match. Some damn near impossible. We don't need t lower the standards and pretend people don't exist.

When you play impacts you ability to set records. The 60s ran more...they get points and rebounds. But guess what? They didn't track blocks or steals and they didn't count an assist if the player dribbled before shooting.

So modern guards get to climb past guys who had more of what we call assists....Russell and Wilt don't get the block records they deserved....and who knows how many steals Jerry West should have? They only tracked them in his final season....he played only 31 games and averaged 2.6 steals in just 31 minutes of play. What do you think he did in his prime? 4-5 a game some years? Whatever it was.....we will never know and he wont get credit.

His shots from 25 feet don't count as threes, Russell doesn't get to have the most finals MVPS, and on and on it goes.

We don't strip modern players of assist records because Oscar might have been at 16 a game with our loose definition.

Records just are what they are.

Excellent post! If you take the NFL, all the passing and receiving records are getting broken as rules and style of play have changed to favor the passing game. But they still count as records. That's what happens in sports.

The thing was it was Wilt setting all those records in the 60s, not other players. He was statistically dominant over his peers more so than anyone in history. That's why he's top 5 all-time in any reasonable discussion. Who knows what Durant or Jordan or Lebron would have put up if they grew up back then. But they are all-time greats. We could guess a mix of Robertson, Baylor and West. Although Lebron is probably not a point-forward back then.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Anyone can do that when they play against stick figures
Wilt played against Centers that were better defenders and stronger than prime Dwight.
ever heard of Nate Thurmond?? hes the second strongest player in NBA history:coleman:

[CavaliersFTW]

Kblaze summed it up nicely... in 40 years I guess basketball fans should also be expected not to count Durant's (arbitrarily cut-off) records by arbitrarily cutting him off too. What's the point of keeping records if you are going to keep shifting the goalposts simply because nobody seems capable of breaking them? Doesn't that defeat the whole point!? :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Kblaze summed it up nicely... in 40 years I guess basketball fans should also be expected not to count Durant's (arbitrarily cut-off) records by arbitrarily cutting him off too. What's the point of keeping records if you are going to keep shifting the goalposts simply because nobody seems capable of breaking them? Doesn't that defeat the whole point!? :oldlol:

This is what it is...

there is the "ESPN Record Book", and then there is the REAL NBA Record Book.

I suspect someone will finally just call it what it has become...

the "Non-Wilt" Record Book...and the WILT Record Book...

[LAZERUSS]

Incidently, Chamberlain holds a TON of POST-SEASON records, as well.

Most 35-20 post-seasons; most 30-20 post-seasons; most 25-25 post-seasons; most 25-20 post-seasons; most 20-20 post-seasons; most 35-20 playoff series; most 30-30 playoff series; most 50+ point games in "must win" playoff games; most 45-25 games in "must win Finals"; most 20-25-9 post-seasons; most 20-20-10 post-season series; most blocks per game in a Finals; certainly most blocks per game in a playoff run; most rebounds in a playoff game; most rebounds in a 6 game playoff series; most rebounds in a five game playoff series;

the list goes on...

[Psileas]

Incidently, Chamberlain holds a TON of POST-SEASON records, as well.

Most 35-20 post-seasons; most 30-20 post-seasons; most 25-25 post-seasons; most 25-20 post-seasons; most 20-20 post-seasons; most 35-20 playoff series; most 30-30 playoff series; most 50+ point games in "must win" playoff games; most 45-25 games in "must win Finals"; most 20-25-9 post-seasons; most 20-20-10 post-season series; most blocks per game in a Finals; certainly most blocks per game in a playoff run; most rebounds in a playoff game; most rebounds in a 6 game playoff series; most rebounds in a five game playoff series;

the list goes on...

Don't forget this one: Most consecutive triple-doubles: He holds both the regular season and the playoff record, with 4, with nobody else having more than 2 in a row (and that's only p-r-a TD's) - he missed having 5 in a row for 1 assist.
Also, most TD's in a single postseason, with 7.

[The Iron Fist]

Anyone can do that when they play against stick figures
If that were true, wouldn't many more guys from Wilts era have done it also? Do you retards not think?

[livinglegend]

Records just are what they are. You stop counting the ones that are amazing whats the point of keeping records? They are supposed to be amazing. Difficult to match. Some damn near impossible. We don't need t lower the standards and pretend people don't exist.

When you play impacts you ability to set records. The 60s ran more...they get points and rebounds. But guess what? They didn't track blocks or steals and they didn't count an assist if the player dribbled before shooting.

So modern guards get to climb past guys who had more of what we call assists....Russell and Wilt don't get the block records they deserved....and who knows how many steals Jerry West should have? They only tracked them in his final season....he played only 31 games and averaged 2.6 steals in just 31 minutes of play. What do you think he did in his prime? 4-5 a game some years? Whatever it was.....we will never know and he wont get credit.

His shots from 25 feet don't count as threes, Russell doesn't get to have the most finals MVPS, and on and on it goes.

We don't strip modern players of assist records because Oscar might have been at 16 a game with our loose definition.

Records just are what they are.

:applause: :applause:

[stephanieg]

None of us have any idea how good he was because we never saw him play.

There are full games available. I've seen a couple full playoff games from the late '60s and early '70s.

[Iceman#44]

WILT:bowdown: :bowdown:

[ImKobe]

I guess we should also forget about his team's consecutive 33 game winning streak too?

Even though that happened in a mostly black league?

Wilt averaged 12.5 ppg for the 33-game winning streak.

[LAZERUSS]

Wilt averaged 12.5 ppg for the 33-game winning streak.

Care to post his rebounding and FG% numbers during that streak?

BTW, Wilt DOMINATED in the Finals, winning a FMVP, with a 19 ppg, 23 rpg, .600 Finals.

Clinching game five win:

24 points, on 10-14 FG/FGA, 29 rebounds (NY had a TOTAL of 39), 8 blocks

Hmmm... a clinching Finals game with a .714 FG%. Maybe you can provide us with Kobe's BEST Finals clinching game in that regard.

[Psileas]

The guy had a season where he was averaging like 40 FGA and 17 FTA per game in an era where there was mainly white trash playing.

Every normal basketball fan knows that not a single ancient Wilt stat/record should be taken seriously. EVER.

Gtfo with these weak excuses. It's been shown like 50,000 times that Wilt was averaging pretty much the same against black opponents, including dominating black all-stars and HOFers.
The only reason you want Wilt excluded is because you 1) know most of his records are well out of reach and 2) didn't get to watch him live. Neither of the ones who watched him live discredit anything and I'll take their view over the opinion of the ones who didn't even know who played back then.

[sd3035]

Javale Chamberlain would average 15 and 10 if he were lucky in today's game, more realistically about 11 and 8

[LAZERUSS]

Gtfo with these weak excuses. It's been shown like 50,000 times that Wilt was averaging pretty much the same against black opponents, including dominating black all-stars and HOFers.
The only reason you want Wilt excluded is because you 1) know most of his records are well out of reach and 2) didn't get to watch him live. Neither of the ones who watched him live discredit anything and I'll take their view over the opinion of the ones who didn't even know who played back then.

You mean the Wilt that put up entire seasons of 10+ H2H games against Russell of 38 ppg, 38 ppg, and even 40 ppg?

Or entire seasons, of 10 H2H games in each, of 44 ppg and 53 ppg against 6-11 HOFer Walt Bellamy?

Or an entire season, covring 12 H2H games in which he averaged 39 ppg against HOFer Willis Reed?

Or an entire season, covering nine H2H games, in which he averaged 29 ppg against 6-11 HOFer Nate Thurmond? And another season, covering 6 H2H games, of 21 ppg on an unfathomable .633 FG%? Let's ask Kareem about these, BTW.

Or in his LAST two seasons, covering 11 H2H games, and against the 6-11 HOFer Bob Lanier, in which he averaged 24 ppg on a .784 FG%?

Not to mention averaging over 50 ppg against LeRoy Ellis, and plastering the 7-0 Walter Dukes with multiple 50+ point games.

Nope. He could only dominate short white guys.

[ImKobe]

Care to post his rebounding and FG% numbers during that streak?

BTW, Wilt DOMINATED in the Finals, winning a FMVP, with a 19 ppg, 23 rpg, .600 Finals.

Clinching game five win:

24 points, on 10-14 FG/FGA, 29 rebounds (NY had a TOTAL of 39), 8 blocks

Hmmm... a clinching Finals game with a .714 FG%. Maybe you can provide us with Kobe's BEST Finals clinching game in that regard.

So, you want to compare Kobe's & Wilt's numbers like they mean something?

Who on the Knicks was matched up against Wilt, Jerry Lucas, the 6-8 230 pound big man, on his last legs? Reed was injured that year.

Now, onto 1973, Knicks match up against the Lakers again & they win in 5 games. I wonder if having Reed had anything to do with it. How well did Wilt play in 1973 Finals? Didn't he have back-to-back 5 point games while Willis Reed dominated the last 3 games? :oldlol:

Have to give props for Wilt's last game, but Reed & the Knicks punked the Lakers that season, mostly because Wilt couldn't stop Reed.

http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/80/0/bb/1/ffffff/dc3444587b96dfec3db47511d4a7fee3/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/SPORTS/2013/06/nba-finals-mvp/fpcoo_reed_605225.jpg

[LAZERUSS]

So, you want to compare Kobe's & Wilt's numbers like they mean something?

Who on the Knicks was matched up against Wilt, Jerry Lucas, the 6-8 230 pound big man, on his last legs? Reed was injured that year.

Now, onto 1973, Knicks match up against the Lakers again & they win in 5 games. I wonder if having Reed had anything to do with it. How well did Wilt play in 1973 Finals? Didn't he have back-to-back 5 point games while Willis Reed dominated the last 3 games? :oldlol:

Have to give props for Wilt's last game, but Reed & the Knicks punked the Lakers that season, mostly because Wilt couldn't stop Reed.

http://cdnl.complex.com/mp/620/400/80/0/bb/1/ffffff/dc3444587b96dfec3db47511d4a7fee3/images_/assets/CHANNEL_IMAGES/SPORTS/2013/06/nba-finals-mvp/fpcoo_reed_605225.jpg

Yeah, the great Reed who put up a 16-10 .493 FG% Finals against a Wilt's 11-19- .525...and in Wilt's LAST season. Oh, and of course Reed also had FIVE OTHER HOFers on his roster, all of whom played reasonably well. Chamberlain's main HOFer, West, was again basically worthless.

And yes, Chamberlain, as always in his BIGGEST games, just pounded Reed in the LAST game of Wilt's career.

The GOAT...