James Harden is currently leading all guards in both PPG and True Shooting %

[JohnMax]

1st since Michael Jordan in 87-88

i was messing around on basketball reference today and noticed that Harden is leading all guards in both PPG and TS% this season. I did a search for all seasons played by guards with more than 1000 minutes played and more than 15 PPG. Jordan is the only other guard to have ever led the league in both PPG and TS% in a season in the 3-point era.

Harden also led all guards in TS% in 2011-12 and 2012-13 as well.

in 2012-13 he was 2nd in scoring among guards.

in 2011-12 his TS% was the best by any guard in any season ever (15+PPG)

[bdreason]

I fukcing hate Hardens head-floppin', foul-shootin', no mid-range game style of play. You know what I hate most about it?











It's really effective.

[russwest0]

I fukcing hate Hardens head-floppin', foul-shootin', no mid-range game style of play. You know what I hate most about it?











It's really effective.

Call me when the playoffs hit and the Spurs take all of those bullshit looks away.

= When Durant and Westbrook light them up from midrange.

[JohnFreeman]

http://i.memecaptain.com/gend_images/pHs6Yw.jpg

[YouGotServed]

Quality thread, will read again. :applause: James Harden is the best shooting guard in the NBA by far.

[RightToCensor]

And nikkas act like he isn't 2nd in the MVP Race. :lol

[lpublic_enemyl]

And nikkas act like he isn't 2nd in the MVP Race. :lol
who do you have first and third?

[RightToCensor]

who do you have first and third?
1. KD

3. Bron

[TheReturn]

Call me when the playoffs hit and the Spurs take all of those bullshit looks away.

= When Durant and Westbrook light them up from midrange.
Acting like Harden doesn't have a midrange jumper.. :facepalm

He's just taking smart shots right now.

[russwest0]

Acting like Harden doesn't have a midrange jumper.. :facepalm

He's just taking smart shots right now.

k, call me when he shows this shit in the playoffs

[Im Still Ballin]

k, call me when he shows this shit in the playoffs

k, call me when durant wins a chip

[russwest0]

Heat fans still trying to derail threads with their own saltyness

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

shit is just :facepalm

none of us grown men care about your whiny shit boy, go whine about shit in yalls team forum

[Bless Mathews]

Everything about hardens game is just wack.

Head down , bull down, flop and get a foul.

Smh.

Garbage.

[russwest0]

Everything about hardens game is just wack.

Head down , bull down, flop and get a foul.

Smh.

Garbage.

plus a weak ass midrange game, lazy d, flops on d as well

sounds like lebron jr

[Im Still Ballin]

plus a weak ass midrange game, lazy d, flops on d as well

sounds like lebron jr

you better not be making fun of lebrons son, dudes just a kid.

christ you've hit a new low.

[Frozen1]

F.uck the TS% stat. Purely bullshit.

Harden can win 5 rings 5 MVPS 5 FMVPS and i will never respect his flopping ugly game.

[UK2K]

Everything about hardens game is just wack.

Head down , bull down, flop and get a foul.

Smh.

Garbage.
Its amazing you have figured out is his game, yet nobody in the league has figured it out.

You need to be a scout or somethin...

[KyrieTheFuture]

His biggest competition at SG is ****ing Demar Derozan. He's the best SG by default

[HoopsFanNumero1]

He needs to do it in the playoffs now. He stunk it up his last two series against OKC and the Heat.

[ABfor3]

F.uck the TS% stat. Purely bullshit.

Harden can win 5 rings 5 MVPS 5 FMVPS and i will never respect his flopping ugly game.
So you don't respect CP3, LeBron, Wade, Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin?? All those guys flop to get what they want, so if you gonna disrespect Harden then you should disrespect those guys too. It's just how the league is nowadays, don't hate the player hate the game.

[SCdac]

he averages 8.6 free throw attempts on 9.8 two-point field goal attempts. Dude basically gets to the line on every shot he takes within the 3 point arch, and he's a +.85% FT shooter.... and he takes roughly 7 three's a game (something Jordan never came close to)... so yeah, he's got a "high TS%".

Great player, certainly an AS, don't feel like he's as great as stats suggest though.

[GaryRaymond23]

Yep, he's pretty good offensively.

[Clyde]

Harden is fun to watch.

Wish he had played in the 4th quarter vs Cleveland.

Nothing wrong with a little stat padding.

lol

[Milbuck]

Harden is fun to watch.

Wish he had played in the 4th quarter vs Cleveland.

Nothing wrong with a little stat padding.

lol
His whole career is stat padding.

[YouGotServed]

And nikkas act like he isn't 2nd in the MVP Race. :lol

:applause:

[Nuff Said]

But what about fg%?

[Smook A.]

But what about fg%?
7th. 46% which is still good

[STATUTORY]

i guess that's what happens when you are a cheesing bball equivalent of spawn camper that only shoot threes and layups

[Mass Debator]

he averages 8.6 free throw attempts on 9.8 two-point field goal attempts. Dude basically gets to the line on every shot he takes within the 3 point arch, and he's a +.85% FT shooter.... and he takes roughly 7 three's a game (something Jordan never came close to)... so yeah, he's got a "high TS%".

Great player, certainly an AS, don't feel like he's as great as stats suggest though.
To be fair, every non and-1 shooting foul grants you 2 shots. So it's more like every other shot he takes results in a foul.

[oarabbus]

Harden is a known choker when it matters

[Black and White]

Harden 2nd in the MVP race??? :lol :lol :lol

[Smook A.]

Harden is a known choker when it matters
Is that why he has a top 3 clutch rating in the league?

Yeah... think again, bro.

[Black and White]

Is that why he has a top 3 clutch rating in the league?

Yeah... think again, bro.

There is a clutch rating????

[oarabbus]

Is that why he has a top 3 clutch rating in the league?

Yeah... think again, bro.


Harden was pretty clutch vs. the Spurs in 2012 but choked against the Heat. Also choked vs. the Thunder last year.

I honestly think Dwight is the key to your guys' success, not Harden.

[Smook A.]

Harden was pretty clutch vs. the Spurs in 2012 but choked against the Heat. Also choked vs. the Thunder last year.

I honestly think Dwight is the key to your guys' success, not Harden.
We're talking about this season.

Obviously he wasn't fully developed back then

[HoopsFanNumero1]

If Harden's three-ball isn't falling and the refs don't give him touch fouls, he's pretty much invisible out there. We saw it happen against the Heat. It also happened against OKC last season.

[Rocketswin2013]

Harden was pretty clutch vs. the Spurs in 2012 but choked against the Heat. Also choked vs. the Thunder last year.

I honestly think Dwight is the key to your guys' success, not Harden.
How did choke last year? He was gassed from playing 40 minutes a night carrying the offense. And how is losing choking? Even without Westchuck OKC had a better team. This year how they played without Westchuck proved that.

[Black and White]

If Harden's three-ball isn't falling and the refs don't give him touch fouls, he's pretty much invisible out there. We saw it happen against the Heat. It also happened against OKC last season.

This, not to mention he is invisible on defense, you can't be a superstar if you play only one aspect of the game.

[Rocketswin2013]

If Harden's three-ball isn't falling and the refs don't give him touch fouls, he's pretty much invisible out there. We saw it happen against the Heat. It also happened against OKC last season.
He actually has a midrange game this year clusterfcks. And he's a great passer, he can impact games like that. He also plays passing lanes very well and leads the NBA in fastbreak points because of his steals.

[Smook A.]

There is a clutch rating????
Yes aka Clutch WPA

http://www.inpredictable.com/2014/03/measuring-clutch-play-in-nba.html?m=1

James Harden is #1

[Black and White]

Yes aka Clutch WPA

http://www.inpredictable.com/2014/03/measuring-clutch-play-in-nba.html?m=1

James Harden is #1

Interesting read, anyway, we both know Durant is 100000x more clutch than Harden

[Rocketswin2013]

Interesting read, anyway, we both know Durant is 100000x more clutch than Harden
LOL. HOW?

[Smook A.]

Interesting read, anyway, we both know Durant is 100000x more clutch than Harden
Can't deny that. Harden is still clutch though

[Lord Bean]

:applause:

[Black and White]

LOL. HOW?

WTF????

[Black and White]

Can't deny that. Harden is still clutch though

Yea he is, you guys just have to find a balance between Howard and Harden come playoff time.

[Milbuck]

A Dwight:Harden ratio of 100:0 would get the job done.

[Black and White]

A Dwight:Harden ratio of 100:0 would get the job done.

Howard should def have priority, Harden needs to be more of a facilitator and get the ball moving.

[Smook A.]

Howard should def have priority, Harden needs to be more of a facilitator and get the ball moving.
He averages 6 apg. Most out of any SG.

Last game vs Cleveland he had 37 points and 11 assists in 3 quarters

[Black and White]

He averages 6 apg. Most out of any SG.

Last game vs Cleveland he had 37 points and 11 assists in 3 quarters

Good, with a supporting cast like he has, you would expect his assists to be high. Hopefully it stays that way and is in th 12-14 range come playoff time

[TheMarkMadsen]

you better not be making fun of lebrons son, dudes just a kid.

christ you've hit a new low.


why has nobody pointed out how dumb this post was

[Bob Dole]

Good, with a supporting cast like he has, you would expect his assists to be high. Hopefully it stays that way and is in th 12-14 range come playoff time

you are a loser and an idiot. James Harden is a top 10 player and best shooting guard in the league. Tired of you *******s talking bad about him for no reason.

[Black and White]

you are a loser and an idiot. James Harden is a top 10 player and best shooting guard in the league. Tired of you *******s talking bad about him for no reason.

Best SG in the league by default, if Wade was healthy you know that Wade would be #1.

Also Harden is in the top 7-10 range, not gonna doubt that

[KungFuJoe]

I gotta admit...I HATED Harden earlier in the season. Anyone who's read any of my posts know this.

I've come around since then. His D is still nothing to brag about, but he's actually really good at defending the post (which is why he looked so good against Kobe back in his OKC days since Kobe would only try to post him up all the time). He still gets lost when his man doesn't have the ball and his idea of help defense is to point at someone else on the court...but it's not as bad as it used to be.

But this is guy is straight up lethal on offense. Probably the best scorer in the game next to Durant. Yeah, he flops and sells, but he gets a TON of "and1's" with full contact...he really does excel at body control and getting the shot to fall even when bumped in mid air.

[Micku]

I didn't realize he was that efficient. I never bother to look at his eFG or TS stats. Wow. The stats show something completely different from the eye test of watching his game imo. Not a huge fan of his game, but can't deny that it's efficient. The dude can hit his FTs and is solid at the 3pt line, which represents in the advance metrics stats.

[brantonli]

Good, with a supporting cast like he has, you would expect his assists to be high. Hopefully it stays that way and is in th 12-14 range come playoff time

You think he should be averaging 12-14 assists in the playoffs? WTF, only Chris Paul averages that much, even the vaunted Lebron with his excellent playmaking skills can't average that.

Also, people never mention this, but Harden is actually very good at finishing with contact. There are loads of ticky-tacky fouls, but he also converts them into and-1, which is even better.

[Black and White]

You think he should be averaging 12-14 assists in the playoffs? WTF, only Chris Paul averages that much, even the vaunted Lebron with his excellent playmaking skills can't average that.

Also, people never mention this, but Harden is actually very good at finishing with contact. There are loads of ticky-tacky fouls, but he also converts them into and-1, which is even better.

I think he realises he gets the calls, so he obv works on finishing with contact/selling contact etc

[YouGotServed]

lol @ thinking a SG should be averaging 12-14 assists in the playoffs. That's facepalm worthy. I guess the haters are running out of ammo eh?

"b..bu..but Harden can't average 14 assists per game! He isn't that good!"

:facepalm

[riseagainst]

let's be real here. Harden gets his unusually high TS from freethrows which were gifted from flops....

[Jailblazers7]

I need to see it in the playoffs before I'm a true believer. Defense gets tights, whistles happen less often, and mid-range jumpers are normally the best shot available for a guard of his reputation.

[PsychoBe]

I need to see it in the playoffs before I'm a true believer. Defense gets tights, whistles happen less often, and mid-range jumpers are normally the best shot available for a guard of his reputation.

this.

the entire rocket's team will shrivel come playoff basketball. looked what happened in their 4th quarter against the heat. all the easy baskets were taken away and the rockets struggled to score while the heat went on a tear. the rockets have a team where their star sg and their star center does not know how to play effective half-court offense consistently.

[Trollsmasher]

free throws

Rockets offense is a gimmicky one

[SmackOrH.A.K]

His biggest competition at SG is ****ing Demar Derozan. He's the best SG by default
This is true.

He'd be second tier if he played in the Kobe/T-Mac/VC/AI era

[bballbball]

Derozan on average attempts only .8 less FTs per game than Harden yet I never see people complain about him. Derozan settles way more for jump shots too and has much worse percentages all around.

[bballbball]

this.

the entire rocket's team will shrivel come playoff basketball. looked what happened in their 4th quarter against the heat. all the easy baskets were taken away and the rockets struggled to score while the heat went on a tear. the rockets have a team where their star sg and their star center does not know how to play effective half-court offense consistently.

what about the Heat game @ Houston then? The game slowed down and they were able to score in the half court to win the game.

[UK2K]

Derozan on average attempts only .8 less FTs per game than Harden yet I never see people complain about him. Derozan settles way more for jump shots too and has much worse percentages all around.
Those who hate Harden are just looking to hate on him for anything, and since his efficiency has been through the roof in the last two months, this is all they have.

He's 4th in FTA, but 1 of 9 players averaging more than 7 a game.

Gotta hate on him for something, and it sure isnt going to be his scoring, rebounding, passing, steals, or shooting percentage.... so you hate on him for being fouled.

Oh well.

[SmackOrH.A.K]

Nah I think he'd be right there with him
i can see him being on vince and paul pierce's level but not prime kobe, ai and orlando tmac.

[YouGotServed]

Harden is already better than any version of Kobe, AI or Vince. Prime McGrady has a case.