secund2nun
03-25-2014, 01:37 AM
*12-13 Miami-----Bosh at Center
*11 Dallas-------- Tyson Chandler
*09 Lakers--------Gasol, Bynum, and Odom
*08 Celtics------- KG (PF, but elite post defender and great rebounder)
*07 Spurs--------Duncan
*06 Heat---------Shaq
*05 Spurs--------Duncan
*04 Pistons-------Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace
*03 Spurs--------Duncan
*00-02 Lakers----Shaq
*99 Spurs--------Duncan/Robinson
*96-98 Bulls------Dennis Rodman (great post defender and rebounder)
*94-95 Rockets---Hakeem
*90-93 Bulls------Horace Grant
*89-90 Pistons---Bill Laimbeer and Dennis Rodman
*87-88 Lakers----Kareem/AC Green
*86 Celtics-------Robert Parish/Kevin McHale
*85 Lakers-------Kareem
*84 Celtics------Robert Parish/Kevin McHale
*83 76ers-------Moses Malone
*82 Lakers------Kareem
*81 Celtics------Robert Parish/Kevin McHale
*80 Lakers------Kareem
Above is a list of NBA champions since 1980. Next to them I have listed their centers or the PF/C they have on the roster. Every single one of them has a center that provides good post defense and/or good rebounding and/or good post scoring (usually 2 out of the 3 categories, 3 out of 3 in some cases) or a PF/C like KG or Duncan that can defend centers in the paint very well and rebound well which is the same thing.
12-13 Miami is the only exception as they have a hole at center so they have a hole at post defense, rebounding, and post offense, but they have a rare wing talent like Lebron.
Every single one of those rosters has at least 1 all star C or PF/C like KG that can provide good post defense/rebounding like a center can except for Miami
Ever further of those champions every single one of those rosters has at least 1 multiple time all star center or PF/C except for:
*90-93 Bulls (Horace Grant=1 time all star)
*12-13 Miami (Bosh is a stretch PF and is not an all star caliber center that can lock down the paint)
*2011 Dallas (Chandler is a 1 time all star).
But Horace Grant was a multiple time all defensive player, a peak at 14-10-3.5 and 1 time all star and they had MJ/Pippen on the wing plus Phil as coach....and Chandler is a DPOY, has been on multiple all defensive teams, and 1 all star. Both were certainly good centers.
And this is not the case of a washed up former all star playing on the team's bench to aid that stat. Every single champion since 1980 has had their C or PF/C become an all star in the same year they won the title except for 12-13 Miami, 90-93 and 96-98 Chicago, 2011 Dallas, and 1989 Pistons. But the 89 Detroit front court of Rodman and Lambier was certainly a very good front court in 89 and Rodman won the DPOY the next season , Chandler was a good center in 2011 and won DPOY the next season, Rodman was still a great post defender/rebounder from 96-98, and Grant was a good center from 90-93 and became an all star in 94.
Of all of the champions from 1980 the weakest C or PF/C core from these teams would be 2012-2013 Miami with Bosh/Birdman playing center (by far weakest), then 90-93 Chicago with Horace Grant, then 2011 Dallas with Tyson Chandler. Every other C or PF/C core from those title teams was much better than Bosh at center, Chandler, and Grant...which is crazy because Chandler is an all star DPOY center and Grant was an all star multiple time all defensive center.
All of those title teams have holes at various different positions like PG, SG, SF but none of them except 12-13 Miami have a hole at either C or a rebounding post defending PF if they have no center (stretch PF does not count as they can't provide the defense/rebounding of a center). The weakest centers or PF/C from the last 34 champs were prime Chris Bosh at center, a prime 1 time all star multiple all defensive team Horace Grant, and a prime 1 time all star DPOY Tyson Chandler. That is crazy. Look at the weakest SGs, PGs, and SFs from those teams and you will find many scrubs.
Center or PF/C is the most important position. Post defense and rebounding are the cornerstones of success. Small ball is garbage.
But here we have many people thinking the big man is dying and therefore post defense, rebounding, and post offense is irrelevant (though if you have good efficient wing scorers you don't need much post scoring but you still need the post defense/rebounding). People are obsessed with building around guards and drool over some chucker wing player over a quality big men. Ignoring salary and age I bet many people would pick Monta Ellis over Tyson Chandler and that is insane.
*11 Dallas-------- Tyson Chandler
*09 Lakers--------Gasol, Bynum, and Odom
*08 Celtics------- KG (PF, but elite post defender and great rebounder)
*07 Spurs--------Duncan
*06 Heat---------Shaq
*05 Spurs--------Duncan
*04 Pistons-------Ben Wallace and Rasheed Wallace
*03 Spurs--------Duncan
*00-02 Lakers----Shaq
*99 Spurs--------Duncan/Robinson
*96-98 Bulls------Dennis Rodman (great post defender and rebounder)
*94-95 Rockets---Hakeem
*90-93 Bulls------Horace Grant
*89-90 Pistons---Bill Laimbeer and Dennis Rodman
*87-88 Lakers----Kareem/AC Green
*86 Celtics-------Robert Parish/Kevin McHale
*85 Lakers-------Kareem
*84 Celtics------Robert Parish/Kevin McHale
*83 76ers-------Moses Malone
*82 Lakers------Kareem
*81 Celtics------Robert Parish/Kevin McHale
*80 Lakers------Kareem
Above is a list of NBA champions since 1980. Next to them I have listed their centers or the PF/C they have on the roster. Every single one of them has a center that provides good post defense and/or good rebounding and/or good post scoring (usually 2 out of the 3 categories, 3 out of 3 in some cases) or a PF/C like KG or Duncan that can defend centers in the paint very well and rebound well which is the same thing.
12-13 Miami is the only exception as they have a hole at center so they have a hole at post defense, rebounding, and post offense, but they have a rare wing talent like Lebron.
Every single one of those rosters has at least 1 all star C or PF/C like KG that can provide good post defense/rebounding like a center can except for Miami
Ever further of those champions every single one of those rosters has at least 1 multiple time all star center or PF/C except for:
*90-93 Bulls (Horace Grant=1 time all star)
*12-13 Miami (Bosh is a stretch PF and is not an all star caliber center that can lock down the paint)
*2011 Dallas (Chandler is a 1 time all star).
But Horace Grant was a multiple time all defensive player, a peak at 14-10-3.5 and 1 time all star and they had MJ/Pippen on the wing plus Phil as coach....and Chandler is a DPOY, has been on multiple all defensive teams, and 1 all star. Both were certainly good centers.
And this is not the case of a washed up former all star playing on the team's bench to aid that stat. Every single champion since 1980 has had their C or PF/C become an all star in the same year they won the title except for 12-13 Miami, 90-93 and 96-98 Chicago, 2011 Dallas, and 1989 Pistons. But the 89 Detroit front court of Rodman and Lambier was certainly a very good front court in 89 and Rodman won the DPOY the next season , Chandler was a good center in 2011 and won DPOY the next season, Rodman was still a great post defender/rebounder from 96-98, and Grant was a good center from 90-93 and became an all star in 94.
Of all of the champions from 1980 the weakest C or PF/C core from these teams would be 2012-2013 Miami with Bosh/Birdman playing center (by far weakest), then 90-93 Chicago with Horace Grant, then 2011 Dallas with Tyson Chandler. Every other C or PF/C core from those title teams was much better than Bosh at center, Chandler, and Grant...which is crazy because Chandler is an all star DPOY center and Grant was an all star multiple time all defensive center.
All of those title teams have holes at various different positions like PG, SG, SF but none of them except 12-13 Miami have a hole at either C or a rebounding post defending PF if they have no center (stretch PF does not count as they can't provide the defense/rebounding of a center). The weakest centers or PF/C from the last 34 champs were prime Chris Bosh at center, a prime 1 time all star multiple all defensive team Horace Grant, and a prime 1 time all star DPOY Tyson Chandler. That is crazy. Look at the weakest SGs, PGs, and SFs from those teams and you will find many scrubs.
Center or PF/C is the most important position. Post defense and rebounding are the cornerstones of success. Small ball is garbage.
But here we have many people thinking the big man is dying and therefore post defense, rebounding, and post offense is irrelevant (though if you have good efficient wing scorers you don't need much post scoring but you still need the post defense/rebounding). People are obsessed with building around guards and drool over some chucker wing player over a quality big men. Ignoring salary and age I bet many people would pick Monta Ellis over Tyson Chandler and that is insane.