Do people honestly believe that Kobe is clutch?

[aburre21]

I just want you guys' honest opinion. Do you actually think Kobe is clutch? And what made you believe that he's a clutch player? It can't be watching him play, because he's missed way more than he's made...so what is it? :lol

[IncarceratedBob]

5 rings is pretty clutch

[20Four]

I just want you guys' honest opinion. Do you actually think Kobe is clutch? And what made you believe that he's a clutch player. It can't be watching him play, because he's missed way more than he's made...so what it it? :lol
http://i.minus.com/iLLzVCxb2ZF4C.gif

[mehyaM24]

kobe is clutch,just overrated when certain idiots call him THE clutchest.

i would take lebron,carmelo,paul pierce,joe johnson and chris paul all over kobe. im sure there are more defensively.

[riseagainst]

kobe is clutch,just overrated when certain idiots call him THE clutchest.

i would take lebron,carmelo,paul pierce,joe johnson and chris paul all over kobe. im sure there are more defensively.

:roll:

[selrahc]

kobe is the most clutch player of all time. not even michael jordan could beat kobe in clutchness.

[KobesFinger]

Clutch isn't just shots made with x amount of time left in the 4th/OT with the score tied or within 5. FG% =/= clutch, otherwise you could argue LeBron was clutch in the 2011 Finals because he shot 48%.

He might miss but he doesn't choke under pressure. Choking is where you play unnaturally and make a bad play. For Kobe, this would be passing to Ryan Kelly to create a good look for example.

There are also stats other than points which are clutch. 6/24 in G7 yes, but 15 rebounds. Then there are intangibles. Kobe has/does these things. He is clutch.

[mehyaM24]

:roll:
:confusedshrug:

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Kobe is a mediocre clutch player. He had one year where he made several game winners, which has boosted his reputation, but when you taken his whole career into account you'll realize he's near the middle of the pack.

[annbafan]

Choking is where you play unnaturally and make a bad play. For Kobe, this would be passing to Ryan Kelly to create a good look for example.


how is that a bad play? that's unselfishness, not choking.

[T_L_P]

Clutch isn't just shots made with x amount of time left in the 4th/OT with the score tied or within 5. FG% =/= clutch, otherwise you could argue LeBron was clutch in the 2011 Finals because he shot 48%.

He might miss but he doesn't choke under pressure. Choking is where you play unnaturally and make a bad play. For Kobe, this would be passing to Ryan Kelly to create a good look for example.

There are also stats other than points which are clutch. 6/24 in G7 yes, but 15 rebounds. Then there are intangibles. Kobe has/does these things. He is clutch.

Kobe was making bad plays all throughout game 7. Boston was inviting him to take bad shots, and that's exactly what he did.

By your definitely he was very unclutch.

[bballnoob1192]

as a kobe fan. i would say he doesn't have the best stats in the clutch, but outside of jordan i would not take anyone else. IMO taking the clutch shot with 10secs or less in a close game is a psychological thing that transcends any other part of the game. Any amount of hesitation or doubt IMO is very detrimental to taking the clutch shot, and because of that there are only a few players i would compare to jordan and kobe. they can take the shot without thinking about any other possibilities outside of making it and winning the game. that mindset is the best for taking a clutch shot with or without the great stats. Lebron is great in the clutch and his stats prove it, but he is the type of player that always finds the best possible shot whether it's him or someone else taking it. this mentality is a great thing to have too.

[KobesFinger]

how is that a bad play? that's unselfishness, not choking.

Because Kobe is better at getting a good shot. He is also a better passer

[nathanjizzle]

he has great offensive control of the game, well atleast he did.

[HOoopCityJones]

http://youtu.be/2Jgar3X0A0s

You can have your stats, geek.

Tape don't lie.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

as a kobe fan. i would say he doesn't have the best stats in the clutch, but outside of jordan i would not take anyone else. IMO taking the clutch shot with 10secs or less in a close game is a psychological thing that transcends any other part of the game. Any amount of hesitation or doubt IMO is very detrimental to taking the clutch shot, and because of that there are only a few players i would compare to jordan and kobe. they can take the shot without thinking about any other possibilities outside of making it and winning the game. that mindset is the best for taking a clutch shot with or without the great stats. Lebron is great in the clutch and his stats prove it, but he is the type of player that always finds the best possible shot whether it's him or someone else taking it. this mentality is a great thing to have too.

Honestly, I think Durant is better than either.

[SilkkTheShocker]

6-24 in the biggest game of his career and no notable playoff games :oldlol:

[Akrazotile]

Kobe is a poor man's Pierce

[Jameerthefear]

Kobe is a poor man's Pierce
I don't know. I've always used the slightly better than Monta Ellis comparison.

[20Four]

6-24 in the biggest game of his career and no notable playoff games :oldlol:
5>2 keep hating silkk...now go to sleep...its past your bed time :oldlol:

[red1]

he is a pretty good shooter under pressure but the whole clutch thing is really overplayed

[sbw19]

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/top_plays/2010/03/11/20100311_kobe_bryant_top10.nba/

and this is just one season.

[red1]

I feel that durant is more "clutch" because he can get a good look over anyone. Kobe is as good as anyone ever at making tough contested shots but it's not the same thing

[pegasus]

He definitely is. Those who watched him since his rookie season have seen it over and over again. He never falters under pressure. I don't even recall him choking at the FT line. I'm sure he missed a few here and there, but in terms of pure choking that most superstars have on their resumes, I cannot think of an important game that he choked away at the free throw line.

[LoneyROY7]

Haters gon' hate. :lol

[Jameerthefear]

He definitely is. Those who watched him since his rookie season have seen it over and over again. He never falters under pressure. I don't even recall him choking at the FT line. I'm sure he missed a few here and there, but in terms of pure choking that most superstars have on their resumes, I cannot think of an important game that he choked away at the free throw line.
6/24

[pegasus]

6/24

Since we are talking about clutchness, post his stats from the 4th quarter.

[red1]

He definitely is. Those who watched him since his rookie season have seen it over and over again. He never falters under pressure. I don't even recall him choking at the FT line. I'm sure he missed a few here and there, but in terms of pure choking that most superstars have on their resumes, I cannot think of an important game that he choked away at the free throw line.
Its the fact that he works so hard on his jumpshot. When you can make every shot in practice naturally you are going to be confident in your abilities when game time rolls around

[MVBallin2K]

Of course someone who they go with in the 4th quarter over a seventeen year career is going to end up missing more clutch shots than they make. There are very few players who wouldn't and that's what makes those guys extraordinary. These games are just from last season:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQd2h4X0O2E

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0yJVX74rC0

And please, let's not go into "Well the team should have won those games in the first place :rolleyes: " or "but these aren't playoff games". The topic is about coming up clutch and he's made shots like that throughout his career. You can argue HOW clutch he is when it matters and that's fine...but you can't argue that he has been clutch before and those two videos are proof of that.

[alexd]

as a kobe fan. i would say he doesn't have the best stats in the clutch, but outside of jordan i would not take anyone else. IMO taking the clutch shot with 10secs or less in a close game is a psychological thing that transcends any other part of the game. Any amount of hesitation or doubt IMO is very detrimental to taking the clutch shot, and because of that there are only a few players i would compare to jordan and kobe. they can take the shot without thinking about any other possibilities outside of making it and winning the game. that mindset is the best for taking a clutch shot with or without the great stats. Lebron is great in the clutch and his stats prove it, but he is the type of player that always finds the best possible shot whether it's him or someone else taking it. this mentality is a great thing to have too.
ehm bird ??

[T_L_P]

He definitely is. Those who watched him since his rookie season have seen it over and over again. He never falters under pressure. I don't even recall him choking at the FT line. I'm sure he missed a few here and there, but in terms of pure choking that most superstars have on their resumes, I cannot think of an important game that he choked away at the free throw line.

The entire '04 Finals :confusedshrug:

[INDI]

I just want you guys' honest opinion. Do you actually think Kobe is clutch? And what made you believe that he's a clutch player? It can't be watching him play, because he's missed way more than he's made...so what is it? :lol

Do you honestly think that hes not?? Just because someone is not in their prime anymore doesnt give you the right to start diminishing his past play on the court. Similar to how as time goes by people take more and more jabs at Magic and Bird.

30 years from now there will be threads titled "Was Magic and Bird really ever considered top 10 players???"

[JellyBean]

I do. Being clutch is a lot then just making a shot. It is about having the stones to take that last shot with two or three defenders all over you. It is about having the stones to take that final shot, when everybody is doubting you to take that shot. Kobe is clutch to me because he did not give a darn what you thought of him or if he missed the last 20 shots. You knew that he was going to make that next shot. RegarlessRegardless of who was on him or how many players were on him, Kobe was going to shoot that final shot. That is clutch to me.

[20Four]

I do. Being clutch is a lot then just making a shot. It is about having the stones to take that last shot with two or three defenders all over you. It is about having the stones to take that final shot, when everybody is doubting you to take that shot. Kobe is clutch to me because he did not give a darn what you thought of him or if he missed the last 20 shots. You knew that he was going to make that next shot. RegarlessRegardless of who was on him or how many players were on him, Kobe was going to shoot that final shot. That is clutch to me.
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Amen brotha

QFT

[Cold soul]

Yes, without question.

[JT123]

I look at it like this. Fans who are betas and easily brainwashed by the media will continue to think Kobe is clutch. Smart and informed fans who can actually think for themselves know that Kobe is one of the least clutch superstars in NBA history. The numbers prove this as fact, and youtube highlight videos won't change that. As for those who say clutch is only about having the balls to take difficult shots, that is just dumb. If that were the case JR Smith and Nate Robinson would be viewed as two of the most clutch players of all time.

:oldlol:

[Milbuck]

Kobe's clutch ability has been overstated at times. He's not Michael.
But can someone explain to me why Lebron fans are in here talking shit? Fans of the guy who had the single most embarrassing collapse of any superstar in NBA history in the finals, and whose finals opposition guarded him by daring him to shoot?

[Solefade]

kobe is super clutch during regular season games...but that's as far as his clutchness goes..

derek fisher is the real clutch gawd

[Solefade]

Kobe's clutch ability has been overstated at times. He's not Michael.
But can someone explain to me why Lebron fans are in here talking shit? Fans of the guy who had the single most embarrassing collapse of any superstar in NBA history in the finals, and whose finals opposition guarded him by daring him to shoot?


lebron's a ***** sometimes but you can't really call him a choker anymore..stats/results from past 2-3 years will back that up

[SilkkTheShocker]

No notable playoff moments.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No notable playoff moments.
http://youtu.be/wYZaGWUTIl0

http://youtu.be/2TimXoo7QJs

http://youtu.be/J60b5Pyudc4

http://youtu.be/OXMy6zmSsNo

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[tmacattack33]

Companies and sites that started to track clutch shots took away that myth.