Would Magic average 16 dimes in today's NBA?

[westsideozzie]

With the rule changes and his size, he would be an absolute nightmare for todays little guards and two quick for most two's thru four's. Seeing that he has averaged 15 dimes in the post season in the 80's, its very conceivable he could average 16 dimes a game. When it comes to goat performers, I feel Magic does not get his due.

[STATUTORY]

he would average more turnovers in this era with proliferation of zone and system defenses

[SpecialQue]

Magic would kill it in today's NBA.

[Rocketswin2013]

Magic would not do that. His stats would translate perfectly.

[swagga]

he would average more turnovers in this era with proliferation of zone and system defenses

you easily bust a zone with passing. So :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm at your post. Magic would thrive in this era.

[westsideozzie]

you easily bust a zone with passing. So :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm at your post. Magic would thrive in this era.

There really is not a defender that could give him trouble.. Lebron, Maybe.

[Da_Realist]

Magic would dominate the league any way he wanted to. He could average 30 if he wanted to. 6'9" guy very quick for his size, with both a good left and right hand, could take it coast to coast (big men can't camp out in the lane anymore), could post up and had elite level vision and court awareness to keep defenses honest. He would own the league. Oh, and he worked himself up to shoot 90% from the free throw line so when he's fouled, it's an automatic two points.

[ralph_i_el]

magics stats would depend heavily on his team composition, but 16 asists per game could be feasible.

[swagga]

Magic would dominate the league any way he wanted to. He could average 30 if he wanted to. 6'9" guy very quick for his size, with both a good left and right hand, could take it coast to coast (big men can't camp out in the lane anymore), could post up and had elite level vision and court awareness to keep defenses honest. He would own the league. Oh, and he worked himself up to shoot 90% from the free throw line so when he's fouled, it's an automatic two points.
:applause: minus 90%, just not that gifted as a shooter.

[dr.hee]

he would average more turnovers in this era with proliferation of zone and system defenses

Absolutely. I mean just look at the way PGs are getting locked down today. Even legendary players like Kendall Marshall and Jose Calderon are only able to average 9 apg in today's era. Pathetic. Magic would get exposed even more. Of course.

[DonDadda59]

he would average more turnovers in this era with proliferation of zone and system defenses

:facepalm

There is no 'proliferation' of 'zone' and even if there was, isn't it supposed to force more ball movement? You think Magic, who won a National Championship (against Larry Bird) playing against actual zones in College is going to struggle finding the soft spots and open man?


Magic would kill it in today's NBA.

This. Although not too sure about 16 APG. In this era that's based on the PnR, I think Stockton would have the best chance of getting 15-16 APG.

[navy]

No. But only because of pace. He would still be a great passer no doubt.

[atljonesbro]

I don't think I've ever seen a thread on ISH where the player from the past doesn't magically get 2 times better when he comes into this era. You morons are delusional :lol :lol

[BigTicket]

No he wouldnt.

The pace is slower now, so his average would be lower.

[Rocketswin2013]

14 absolute max. 11 at worst. 16 is asking too much even for him.

[NustABut]

Would his perimeter shot hold up though

[mr.big35]

he will average about 12 assists per game.

[DonDadda59]

No he wouldnt.

The pace is slower now, so his average would be lower.

Maybe, but like I said- Stockton would be more suited for the PnR era and would have the best chance of getting that #.

Chris Paul '13-'14: 11 APG (Clippers Pace is 95.8)
John Stockton '89-'90: 14.5 APG (Utah Pace was (96.1)

[Akrazotile]

Doubt he'd average 16 assists but his impact would translate.

A guy his size with a pass first/high iq mentality will succeed in any era. Theres a reason people say Lebron's closest historical translation is Magic.


Not to mention with his flamboyant style, he could definitely electrify in this era. Just imagine him running the break with, let's say... just to pick a few a names at random... Richard Jefferson, Chris Bosh, and Jason Collins. Their chemistry would be amazing. Facials everywhere :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[dr.hee]

Not to mention with his flamboyant style, he could definitely electrify in this era. Just imagine him running the break with, let's say... just to pick a few a names at random... Richard Jefferson, Chris Bosh, and Jason Collins. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: Facials everywhere :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Such subtle humor. Amazing. We all have to think for a minute about that one before getting it, but it's worth it. :applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

Magic would dominate the league any way he wanted to. He could average 30 if he wanted to. 6'9" guy very quick for his size, with both a good left and right hand, could take it coast to coast (big men can't camp out in the lane anymore), could post up and had elite level vision and court awareness to keep defenses honest. He would own the league. Oh, and he worked himself up to shoot 90% from the free throw line so when he's fouled, it's an automatic two points.

I don't see Magic as a guy who would score that much. He's a point guard, he's going to average over 10+apg and get around his usual 20+ on good efficiency, depending if he's the first option.

And like someone already mentioned, John Stockton would be the only one I can see attempting anywhere close to 15+apg.

[salwan]

he would be great on this lakers and suns teams, which like to run.

[Da_Realist]

I don't see Magic as a guy who would score that much. He's a point guard, he's going to average over 10+apg and get around his usual 20+ on good efficiency, depending if he's the first option.

And like someone already mentioned, John Stockton would be the only one I can see attempting anywhere close to 15+apg.

He could, though. Magic would be much more prone to abusing someone down low than Lebron is and he had more weapons than Lebron does. Pick your poison: Right hand baby hook, Left Hand baby hook, No look pass to open teammate if you double. What team could stop that if he chose to stay down there all game long? No one's blocking the baby hook.

[Demitri98]

I don't think I've ever seen a thread on ISH where the player from the past doesn't magically get 2 times better when he comes into this era. You morons are delusional :lol :lol
Haha..get it? No? ok...



*ba dum tss*

[Solefade]

no he wouldn't he'd probably get 11ish and also these days you need to be able to shoot/score to be a passing threat..

[dr.hee]

no he wouldn't he'd probably get 11ish and also these days you need to be able to shoot/score to be a passing threat..

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Yeah, right.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

no he wouldn't he'd probably get 11ish and also these days you need to be able to shoot/score to be a passing threat..

Rondo?

Anyway not sure where this idea Magic couldn't shoot comes from. Dude was money at the line and had an above average mid-range game.

[selrahc]

no way, magic played in a weak era where they played no defense. imagine him trying to play today... he wouldnt even average 10/5/7

[SHAQisGOAT]

16? That's too much, even for him.


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Yeah, right.

Andre Miller is 6'2, a worse overall shooter than Magic, and he was "able to"(:rolleyes:) average around 17 ppg on pretty good efficiency, 11 apg once too. Now imagine 6'8 Magic with his GOAT passing, his postgame that would make bigs look bad, his great finishing moves, his terrific overall skills combined with good athleticism, especially for his size..

And what's this nonsense that Magic COULDN'T shoot? He could kill you from mid-range if you left him open (because of his driving/passing/postgame, and/or Kareem/Worthy), he's a career 85% FT shooter hitting 91% once, he developed a solid 3pt game, hit plenty of clutch 3's even - add that to all the rest - just to say he wasn't able to score? :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm He was a really good scorer, much better than someone like Rondo, only a few PG's could rival him as the best scorer at the position (now or in his day) and he'd be the best passer, think about that.

[moe94]

I don't think I've ever seen a thread on ISH where the player from the past doesn't magically get 2 times better when he comes into this era. You morons are delusional :lol :lol

Shit is annoying at this point. :facepalm

[SHAQisGOAT]

No he wouldnt.

The pace is slower now, so his average would be lower.

:rolleyes:

Just like in 1991, playing at the average pace of 94.1, averaging 12.5 apg, 4th best mark in his career, plus the team wasn't as good as before and he was already in his 30s. That same year in the Playoffs, playing at a average pace of 92.0, dishing 12.6 apg, even with some injured teammates.

I swear some people look way too much into pace, pulling out all sorts of cliches, especially in this case - average league pace in the 80s was like 10% higher, which is not "considerable", especially for a star; there's a vid on youtube with Bird's stats in games at today's pace, he average about the sam, for example.
(Not considerable) slower pace means averages just gotta be lower, no matter what, no other possibilities even in different circumstances :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[pauk]

You are basically asking if Magic would average much more apg than he ever did by playing in a slower paced era & a supporting cast that obviously will always be less to that one he had in the 80s?

I think he would manage 10+ apg but 16 is crazy

[Poetry]

No he wouldnt.

The pace is slower now, so his average would be lower.

:no:

Pace doesn't automatically work the way you think it works. Look at this four year stretch for Stockton.

Pace goes up, Stock's numbers drop.
Pace goes down, Stock's numbers go up.

John Stockton
91-92 (NBA Pace: 96.6) - Stock's Assist AVG: 13.7
92-93 (NBA Pace: 96.8) - Stock's Assist AVG: 12.0
93-94 (NBA Pace: 95.1) - Stock's Assist AVG: 12.6
94-95 (NBA Pace: 92.9) - Stock's Assist AVG: 12.9

[SHAQisGOAT]

:no:

Pace doesn't automatically work the way you think it works. Look at this four year stretch for Stockton.

Pace goes up, Stock's numbers drop.
Pace goes down, Stock's numbers go up.

John Stockton
91-92 (NBA Pace: 96.6) - Stock's Assist AVG: 13.7
92-93 (NBA Pace: 96.8) - Stock's Assist AVG: 12.0
93-94 (NBA Pace: 95.1) - Stock's Assist AVG: 12.6
94-95 (NBA Pace: 92.9) - Stock's Assist AVG: 12.9

Yes. That's just one out of countless examples but people will always bring up the same cliches.

[Solefade]

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Yeah, right.


so he'd get about 11ish then? lol

[jlip]

Magic is my favorite player ever. A prime Magic would, as he did in his era, be competing for best player in the game today, but I do not see him avg. 16 assist per game even during a post season run. Teams, just are not avg. as many points or assists as they were in the 80's. As a matter of fact, the era that saw the most assists ever was '80-'94. He would easily lead the league in assists probably peaking at ~12.3 though.

[ILLsmak]

Nobody is averaging 16 dimes in today's NBA. When someone gets 15+ assists these days it's like they dropped 40.

CP is doing work in terms of high assist games, but he's nowhere near 16 a game.

-Smak

[bballnoob1192]

magic would be a lebron that the people want and not the lebron that they have

[jstern]

:rolleyes:

Just like in 1991, playing at the average pace of 94.1, averaging 12.5 apg, 4th best mark in his career, plus the team wasn't as good as before and he was already in his 30s. That same year in the Playoffs, playing at a average pace of 92.0, dishing 12.6 apg, even with some injured teammates.

I swear some people look way too much into pace, pulling out all sorts of cliches, especially in this case - average league pace in the 80s was like 10% higher, which is not "considerable", especially for a star; there's a vid on youtube with Bird's stats in games at today's pace, he average about the sam, for example.
(Not considerable) slower pace means averages just gotta be lower, no matter what, no other possibilities even in different circumstances :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

The league average 4 more assists per game back then. The problem is that people don't really think that well, so they would assume that magic if magic played today, just based on those averages, he would average those full 4 assists per game less. Because they don't consider that it's the whole team.

There's also a bunch of other things that they don't consider. Everything is looked at the most simplistic way possible.

The game is different. It's really difficult to determine what Magic's style would be in this era.

[AboutBuckets]

:facepalm

Although not too sure about 16 APG. In this era that's based on the PnR, I think Stockton would have the best chance of getting 15-16 APG.

Prime Stockton averaged 14.5 for a season, this wouldn't even be that much of a feat.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stockjo01.html#per_game::none

[SilkkTheShocker]

No way is he a HOF player in today's NBA.

[r0drig0lac]

Absolutely. I mean just look at the way PGs are getting locked down today. Even legendary players like Kendall Marshall and Jose Calderon are only able to average 9 apg in today's era. Pathetic. Magic would get exposed even more. Of course.
:applause:

[CarlosBoozer]

If he played in the current Lakers squad, I'm sure everyone could rack up at least 12 a game!

[Big#50]

Kobe 40/8/8
Lebron 35/12/12
Duncan 30/15/5/5
Shaq 40/15/3/3
Durant 38/8/8
This is what they would do in the weak ass 80's.

[Pointguard]

If he had the Clippers or San Antonio I think he's can get 14 per game. Its just that I don't see a lot of teams cutting a lot or having great finishers at the rim. With the league having more shooters Magic might operate more out of the post.

Magic is about three or four levels up on Chris Paul who is at 11 assist per game. While CP3 is a great point guard he, like all other pgs, isn't on Magic's level.

The reason I say four levels is because Paul...

Doesn't feed the post that well.

Doesn't really highlight his should be stars - he's two or three levels below Magic at doing this. Blake and DJ don't really play better with Paul.

Magic would encourage more movement and cuts.

Doesn't run the break like Magic.

Passing doesn't have as much zip, placing and lead that Magic's passing did.

Magic has an imposing physical advantage that can always be used - weight, height and strength.

[tomtucker]

It depends, would the opposition know he has HIV or not ?