Rumsfeld says a "trained ape" could do better diplomacy

[Godzuki]

with Afghan relations than Obama.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/03/26/rumsfeld-trained-ape-comment-stirs-controversy/?hpt=hp_t2


I'm not even mad at the 'trained ape' comment, since a lot of people could use that regularly.... but for someone from the Bush Administration to accuse anyone else of poor diplomacy is outrageous.

don't they know they made the whole world despise us? :confusedshrug:

[AirTupac]

Would the said trained ape overdose on weed though?

[Godzuki]

lol you were the other extremely bitter guy from way back i could feel the extreme bitterness from coming thru the screen here. i guess now you're stalking me with that to get back at me? :lol

sad thing is i barely even remember you. at least with niko he is still memorable after a few years.

[Patrick Chewing]

don't they know they made the whole world despise us? :confusedshrug:


Let me clue you in on something...


They hated us before Bush and will continue to hate us long after.

[Godzuki]

Let me clue you in on something...


They hated us before Bush and will continue to hate us long after.


not disagreeing

just saying he shouldn't be criticizing anyone for poor diplomacy.

[AirTupac]

lol you were the other extremely bitter guy from way back i could feel the extreme bitterness from coming thru the screen here. i guess now you're stalking me with that to get back at me? :lol

sad thing is i barely even remember you. at least with niko he is still memorable after a few years.

Jeez, someone's delusional.

[Akrazotile]

Once again


The same interests are behind both parties.


The window dressing is simply token. Republicans in office need to push anti-gay legislation in order to "look republican" and keep their base focused on the ways in which their party is doing right by them, Democrats get into office and they focus on championing gay rights, sometimes to absurd degrees, and that way their base continues to identify with THEM despite major atypical democrat positions it wants to get away with.


People are most concerned with what is concrete and in front of them. Economy and foreign policy is vague and is hard to pinpoint how it affects individual persons. Abortion laws mean either the girl next door is or isnt allowed to get one, period. Its effects are more obvious and immediate. So even though the forest is generally what shapes the course of our entire lifespan, the people stay lookin at the trees, because theyre extremely impressionable, insecure, and long to be shepherded by and large, and do not generally have the wherewithal to make collective sacrifices immediately for long term good.

[MightyWhitey]

don't they know they made the whole world despise us? :confusedshrug:
The world has always hated the USA. And Rumsfeld's comment is spot on. And the Bush administration did an excellent job.

[macmac]

The world has always hated the USA. And Rumsfeld's comment is spot on. And the Bush administration did an excellent job.

The world definitely didn't always hate the US. France was giving their babies to the liberating American army so they could kiss them during WW2.

[Patrick Chewing]

I think Rummy was one of the worst cabinet members of any presidency. Definitely gave Bush a bad name shortly after 9/11 and after the war with his pompous rhetoric. For as much flack as Bush takes, the rest of his cabinet was pretty damn good.

[MMM]

Let me clue you in on something...


They hated us before Bush and will continue to hate us long after.

Don't remember many Afghans hating the US in the 70s and 80s. Honestly Afghans hate their own more so than they can really hate Americans.

[Patrick Chewing]

Don't remember many Afghans hating the US in the 70s and 80s. Honestly Afghans hate their own more so than they can really hate Americans.

Afghanistan was controlled by the Taliban. Pretty sure the Taliban hated everything about American culture.

The Middle East is so screwed up though cause for as much as they hate us, like you said, they tend to hate each other just as much if not more. Every day some dumb bastard is blowing himself taking with him another 15 or so dumb bastards. Let them kill each other off or we'll gladly help you do it for you.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

To be fair a chimpanzee can be one of those cute centerpoint things that are so distracting in a public setting that the first thing two antagonistic dudes do is bond and comment over it.

So I see it as a backhanded compliment.

Kind of like how good perfumes united SubSaharan Negroes and insane zealot Arabs.

[gigantes]

Rumsfeld says a "trained ape" could do better diplomacy
personally, i'm not seeing donald's logic. i mean, rumsfeld himself never attained the discretionary ability of a trained ape himself, so who is this comment coming from, exactly?

is it rumsfeld's handlers, another right-wing lobby, a bunch of idiots who drank too much tequila and want the public to handle the vomitorium duties?

WHO ACTUALLY SAID THIS, GODZUKI?

[Sarcastic]

The right also thinks Hussein was always our enemy too.


http://uploads.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/460rumsfeld-hussein-19_791932c.jpg

[russwest0]

inb4 liberals cry racism
conservatives fight back with other shit

wash, rinse, repeat

AMERICA!

[Lakers Legend#32]

A not so silent racial dog whistle to the Republican base.

[Lakers Legend#32]

And the Bush administration did an excellent job.
:roll: :lol :oldlol: :rolleyes: :wtf: :eek:

[MightyWhitey]

The right also thinks Hussein was always our enemy too.


http://uploads.neatorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/460rumsfeld-hussein-19_791932c.jpg
Frenemies are part and parcel of real American policy. Once America has no more use for you there will be a changing of the guard. What's so wrong with that? When you're number one and can create your own options like this the world and liberals will hate you but real Americans won't.

[MightyWhitey]

inb4 liberals cry racism
conservatives fight back with other shit

wash, rinse, repeat

AMERICA!
Another useless post. 4000 useless posts of nothing. Read Galatians and go away.

[bagelred]

Is Rumsfeld making these statements from prison, like he should be?

[MightyWhitey]

Is Rumsfeld making these statements from prison, like he should be?
Why should he be in prison?

[MavsSuperFan]

Didn't the Bush administration fail at securing a status of forces agreement with Iraq?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black

[mr.big35]

Another useless post. 4000 useless posts of nothing. Read Galatians and go away.

he is right mighty whitey

[KevinNYC]

I think Rummy was one of the worst cabinet members of any presidency. Definitely gave Bush a bad name shortly after 9/11 and after the war with his pompous rhetoric. For as much flack as Bush takes, the rest of his cabinet was pretty damn good.
Rumsfeld was brought in by Cheney to counter Colin Powell's influence. The two guys under Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Feith were also disasters.

I don't see how can you view Bush's reputation independently of Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld was a Republican rock star in 2002 and 2003 and Bush agreed with his rhetoric. Bush allowed Rumsfeld to act the way he did, big on bluster and terrible on execution. Bush was so into him that Rumsfeld would even go against decisions Bush had made, but he never paid a price for it and that is on Bush. Andrew Card urged Bush to fire Rumsfeld after the 2004 elections, after it clear most of what he said didn't pan out, but Bush refused and we were stuck with two more years of his crappy leadership at the Pentagon. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld tended to be on the same side of the issue most of the time. They also tended to be fantastically optimistic about the Iraq War and wouldn't when they were wrong and wouldn't change their policy until years later. Bush basically didn't get a realistic cabinet until well into his second term.


We should be hearing even more about this soon, since Erroll Morris's documentary on Rumsfeld, The Known Unknown, (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/moviesnow/la-et-mn-errol-morris-unknown-known-movie-theaters-reviews-20140326,0,645404.story#axzz2xBoRmgOZ) just premiered.

[KevinNYC]

http://tube.hk/images/titles_cache/700x1037_movie11962postersthe_unknown_known-us.jpg