Duncan 38y: $9.64 Million l Kobe 36y: $30.45 Million

[Jameerthefear]

See the difference ladies and gentlemen?

[Droid101]

Duncan: Terrible Agent.

Kobe: GOAT Agent.

[JohnFreeman]

Duncan is a top 10 player, and Kobe isn't...

[navy]

Duncan 3FMVPs, 4 Rings as the best player on the team.

Duncan > Kobe

[NumberSix]

Team player > diva

[Jameerthefear]

Duncan is a top 10 player, and Kobe isn't...
Real talk.

[STATUTORY]

kobe stays living rent free in stans' head even when he's out for the season

duncan can't get people to discuss him even when his team has best record in the west

[Jacks3]

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4

[Jameerthefear]

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4
Kobe only has one championship ring. I have personally subtracted the other ones because of a stacked FC/Shaquille O' Neal.

[HOoopCityJones]

Duncan 3FMVPs, 4 Rings as the best player on the team.

Duncan > Kobe

Bird & Kareem 2FMVP < Duncan 3FMVP

Am I doing it right?

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe > duncant > :lebroncry:

[STATUTORY]

Kobe only has one championship ring. I have personally subtracted the other ones because of a stacked FC/Shaquille O' Neal.
still more rings than orlando magic franchise doe?

[Bless Mathews]

kobe stays living rent free in stans' head even when he's out for the season

duncan can't get people to discuss him even when his team has best record in the west
I don't like Kobe. But ....

Slayed.

[Magic731]

Kobe only has one championship ring. I have personally subtracted the other ones because of a stacked FC/Shaquille O' Neal.
Orlando have zero rings. I have personally subtracted them.... Oh wait..

[navy]

Bird & Kareem 2FMVP < Duncan 3FMVP

Am I doing it right?
Yes. Bird and Kareem are overrated and had stacked championship squads.

[STATUTORY]

Orlando have zero rings. I have personally subtracted them.... Oh wait..

:oldlol: garbage franchise

should be contracted and arena be turned down for more swampland

[SCdac]

Agendas and trolls aside, this really does say alot about both players. And they're not necessarily bad qualities (taking less money, demanding more money, etc), it's all perspective. Surely Kobe is selling more jerseys and shoes than Duncan, that's a factor, no?

[Jameerthefear]

Duncan tonight: 29/13/5/2/2 on 12-20

Kobe last night: 0/0/0/0/0 on 0-0

[buddha]

honestly the Spurs would be the same team if they cut Tiago Splitter and gave his 10 mil to Duncan.

[Jameerthefear]

Agendas and trolls aside, this really does say alot about both players. And they're not necessarily bad qualities (taking less money, demanding more money, etc), it's all perspective. Surely Kobe is selling more jerseys and shoes than Duncan, that's a factor, no?
Yes, but we are talking strictly basketball here and since we are this isn't a good look for Kobe...

[HOoopCityJones]

Yes. Bird and Kareem are overrated and had stacked championship squads.

So has Duncan.

Kobe has won multiple rings with squads that were only two deep at a time.

Duncan's always had a consistent Big Three.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Yes, but we are talking strictly basketball here and since we are this isn't a good look for Kobe...

How many more championships has Duncan's "humbleness" garnered him?

[The-Legend-24]

Magic fan. :roll:

[Jameerthefear]

How many more championships has Duncan's "humbleness" garnered him?
3 more.

[T_L_P]

So has Duncan.

Kobe has won multiple rings with squads that were only two deep at a time.

Duncan's always had a consistent Big Three.

You said the 2003 Spurs were more stacked than the 2010 Lakers. You obviously didn't watch a single second of those squads.

2003 Parker and Manu were nobodies. Neither shot above 40% in the Playoffs :oldlol:

Oh, and two man deep squads > role player depth. History says as much.

[YouGotServed]

See the difference ladies and gentlemen?

Goddamn. Quality thread, 5*'d, will read again. Will read to future son 5 years from now.

[Jameerthefear]

Goddamn. Quality thread, 5*'d, will read again. Will read to future son 5 years from now.
Thanks YGS. I've been trying to put some good, intelligent discussion on the front page among all of the trolling.

[HOoopCityJones]

You said the 2003 Spurs were more stacked than the 2010 Lakers. You obviously didn't watch a single second of those squads.

2003 Parker and Manu were nobodies. Neither shot above 40% in the Playoffs :oldlol:

Oh, and two man deep squads > role player depth. History says as much.

You're a Duncan stan bro, so you underrate that roster to try and prop up Timmy's feats. You know me man, Ive never tried to downplay Duncan, I think he's Top ten all time just behind Shaq and Kobe.


EDIT: Do I have to break out the picture of our 2010 roster?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

3 more.

4-5=3

Solid math skills.

So Kobe's gets criticized for taking tons of money, but if there is still left to sign another max player and they win the title it doesn't count. Meanwhile Duncan is worshiped for taking less allowing the Spurs to have a stacked roster yet still is chasing Kobe.

:oldlol:

[BlackVVaves]

You need help OP. Truly.

Let it go.

[T_L_P]

You're a Duncan stan bro, so you underrate that roster to try and prop up Timmy's feats. You know me man, Ive never tried to downplay Duncan, I think he's Top ten all time just behind Shaq and Kobe.


EDIT: Do I have to break out the picture of our 2010 roster?

So which Kobe squads were two men deep?

'02 is the only possible candidate.

And you can. Gasol was twice as good as any of Duncan's teammates in '03. Again, you'd know that if you watched Duncan play at that time :confusedshrug:

[Black Mamba's B]

Jameer = 40 year old virgin

[Jameerthefear]

4-5=3

Solid math skills.

So Kobe's gets criticized for taking tons of money, but if there is still left to sign another max player and they win the title it doesn't count. Meanwhile Duncan is worshiped for taking less allowing the Spurs to have a stacked roster yet still is chasing Kobe.

:oldlol:
As said on the 1st page I have personally subtracted 4 championships from Kobe Bryant. Replace Kobe with before injury Penny Hardaway and they win more infact.

[HOoopCityJones]

So which Kobe squads were two men deep?

'02 is the only possible candidate.

Wait, which squads were stacked? 04? :biggums:

Please show me a stacked Laker squad.

Every year he won with Shaq it was just them two, Fish and Horry. They hit big shots when needed in the Playoffs but aside from that they were a non-factor. They had the same impact of a Brain Shaw and a Rick Fox.

Do you consider our 08-09 roster's stacked? I know your opinion about 10.

[YouGotServed]

Thanks YGS. I've been trying to put some good, intelligent discussion on the front page among all of the trolling.

Keep up the good work, man.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

As said on the 1st page I have personally subtracted 4 championships from Kobe Bryant. Replace Kobe with before injury Penny Hardaway and they win more infact.

Replace Shaq with some bum like Pau Gasol and the Lakers still actually went back to back. :confusedshrug:

Fantasy vs Reality

[iamgine]

Kobe: made Lakers billions

Duncan: Made SAS millions

There's also this difference...

[jzek]

Kobe raping the Lakers

[bukowski81]

So has Duncan.

Kobe has won multiple rings with squads that were only two deep at a time.

Duncan's always had a consistent Big Three.

What was this big three in 99 and 03??

[Jameerthefear]

Replace Shaq with some bum like Pau Gasol and the Lakers still actually went back to back. :confusedshrug:

Fantasy vs Reality
Could you please stop trolling in my thread? There are numerous other threads for you to take that kind of stuff to. This is for smart basketball fans' opinions

[JohnFreeman]

Wait, which squads were stacked? 04? :biggums:

Please show me a stacked Laker squad.

Every year he won with Shaq it was just them two, Fish and Horry. They hit big shots when needed in the Playoffs but aside from that they were a non-factor. They had the same impact of a Brain Shaw and a Rick Fox.

Do you consider our 08-09 roster's stacked? I know your opinion about 10.
Are you saying 2010 Lakers weren't stacked?

[I<3NBA]

Kobe has every right to try to get as much as he can.

but because of what he did, he has no right to go off on the front office and blame them for the state they are now in. his actions are part of the problem.

[BlackVVaves]

As said on the 1st page I have personally subtracted 4 championships from Kobe Bryant. Replace Kobe with before injury Penny Hardaway and they win more infact.

Do the Magic also have championships in this alternate reality you reside in?

Must be fun to fabricate entire planes of existence and escape your insecurities to live in that strange dimension in your head.

[HOoopCityJones]

Are you saying 2010 Lakers weren't stacked?

You're saying they were?

Artest and Odom and the corpse of Bynum is stacked?

You guys are kidding yourselves if you think that's stacked compared to some of the rosters around today.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Kobe has every right to try to get as much as he can.

but because of what he did, he has no right to go off on the front office and blame them for the state they are now in. his actions are part of the problem.
how?

[T_L_P]

Wait, which squads were stacked? 04? :biggums:

Please show me a stacked Laker squad.

Every year he won with Shaq it was just them two, Fish and Horry. They hit big shots when needed in the Playoffs but aside from that they were a non-factor. They had the same impact of a Brain Shaw and a Rick Fox.

Do you consider our 08-09 roster's stacked? I know your opinion about 10.

You said he won multiple rings with teams that were only two deep at time. '04 and '08 don't count.

'00 had Glen Rice. And even still, '00 was all about Shaq.
'01 had Fisher and Fox, who were more / on level with Parker in '03.
'09 had Gasol, Odom and Ariza. Again, all of which were better / on par with '03 Parker...and Gasol was better than any version of Parker or Robinson or Manu.
'10 we know the deal.

You refer to Bynum as a corpse...so let me ask: what was Robinson in '03?

[HOoopCityJones]

You said he won multiple rings with teams that were only two deep at time. '04 and '08 don't count.

'00 had Glen Rice. And even still, '00 was all about Shaq.
'01 had Fisher and Fox, who were more / on level with Parker in '03.
'09 had Gasol, Odom and Ariza. Again, all of which were better / on par with '03 Parker...and Gasol was better than any version of Parker or Robinson or Manu.
'10 we know the deal.

You refer to Bynum as a corpse...so let me ask: what was Robinson in '03?

Stopped reading right there :roll:

Fox or DFish has never been on Parker's level, young or old.

Are you serious with this? Makes me sick how you guys act like Manu and Parker were glorified role players. :facepalm

[BlackVVaves]

Kobe has every right to try to get as much as he can.

but because of what he did, he has no right to go off on the front office and blame them for the state they are now in. his actions are part of the problem.

This X 100.

Not that he doesn't have a right, because as a franchise player (despite his age) he still is entitled to challenge his front office to not become complacent in dysfunction.

However, he comes across out of touch in insisting the team build a contender in essentially one summer, with $24 Million on the books next year.

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe has every right to try to get as much as he can.

but because of what he did, he has no right to go off on the front office and blame them for the state they are now in. his actions are part of the problem.
Exactly. Kobe can not complain if he never get's a sixth ring

[theoneneo]

Duncan getting raped. Taking less money and still winning no rings :lol

Duncans last couple notable playoffs highlights
Loosing in the first round, loosing while up 2-0, Loosing while up 3-2 in the finals :lol And then they just gave this ***** 9mil

[T_L_P]

Stopped reading right there :roll:

Fox or DFish has never been on Parker's level, young or old.

Are you serious with this? Makes me sick how you guys act like Manu and Parker were glorified role players. :facepalm

You definitely didn't watch the Spurs play in '03. :facepalm

Parker's 2003 Playoff numbers:

15 PPG / 3.5 APG / .403 FG%

He was getting benched in late game situations for Speedy Claxton because of how inconsistent he was.

Manu's 2003 Playoff numbers:

9 PPG / 4 RPG / 3 APG / .386 FG%

Fisher's 2001 Playoff numbers:

14 PPG / 3 APG / .484 FG%

Fox's 2001 Playoff numbers:

10 PPG / 5 RPG / 4 APG / .450 FG%

So, explain to me how '03 Parker/Manu were better than those guys.

[Jacks3]

Kobe only has one championship ring. I have personally subtracted the other ones because of a stacked FC/Shaquille O' Neal.
That's nice, but in the real world Kobe still has more rings than the entire Sperms franchise. :oldlol:

[oh the horror]

I really have nothing to say here.


I fully expected Kobe to take a paycut.


Somewhere in the range of 10-12 mil a year or so.


Instead he's the highest paid guy in the league with a contract powering down the capspace of the lakers.



And then.....he expects them to rebuild so he can contend for another ring.


Either that's some hyperbole or he's insane.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Stopped reading right there :roll:

Fox or DFish has never been on Parker's level, young or old.

Are you serious with this? Makes me sick how you guys act like Manu and Parker were glorified role players. :facepalm
Manu was the MVP of the 05 Finals and Parker was the MVP of the 07 Finals tbh. Why did Duncan's borderline allstar type players play better than Duncan in half the Finals he won?

[Jacks3]

Duncan getting raped. Taking less money and still winning no rings :lol

Duncans last couple notable playoffs highlights
Loosing in the first round, loosing while up 2-0, Loosing while up 3-2 in the finals :lol And then they just gave this ***** 9mil
Up 5 with 28 seconds left in Game 6 and chokes it way. :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

Manu was the MVP of the 05 Finals and Parker was the MVP of the 07 Finals tbh. Why did Duncan's borderline allstar type players play better than Duncan in half the Finals he won?

Because Timmy is a mute, borderline remedial.

He's Lenny from Of Mice and Men. Pop is George.

He can do no wrong to them.

[T_L_P]

Do Kobe Stans really hate Duncan because he helped LeBron overtake Kobe all-time though?

How petty :facepalm

[JohnFreeman]

You definitely didn't watch the Spurs play in '03. :facepalm

Parker's 2003 Playoff numbers:

15 PPG / 3.5 APG / .403 FG%

He was getting benched in late game situations for Speedy Claxton because of how inconsistent he was.

Manu's 2003 Playoff numbers:

9 PPG / 4 RPG / 3 APG / .386 FG%

Fisher's 2001 Playoff numbers:

14 PPG / 3 APG / .484 FG%

Fox's 2001 Playoff numbers:

10 PPG / 5 RPG / 4 APG / .450 FG%

So, explain to me how '03 Parker/Manu were better than those guys.
:applause:

[HOoopCityJones]

Do Kobe Stans really hate Duncan because he helped LeBron overtake Kobe all-time though?

How petty :facepalm

Using Duncan's failures to discredit Kobe now? :biggums:

Epic fail bro. :lol

[T_L_P]

Manu was the MVP of the 05 Finals and Parker was the MVP of the 07 Finals tbh. Why did Duncan's borderline allstar type players play better than Duncan in half the Finals he won?

Duncan was the MVP of the '05 Finals. He won the award, after all.

[TheReal Kendall]

Duncan tonight: 29/13/5/2/2 on 12-20

Kobe last night: 0/0/0/0/0 on 0-0

http://gifrific.gifrific.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-laugh.gif

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan was the MVP of the '05 Finals. He won the award, after all.
Duncan was an inefficient chucker (47%TS, 144 points on 129 shots) while Manu was incredibly efficient vs a great defense. Both teams were great defensively but Manu's offense was the difference.

19-6-4 on 64%TS in 36 mpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

how many rings and FMVP has each won on their current contracts?

[outbreak]

Kobe Bryant accused of rape for a second time (http://static2.bigstockphoto.com/thumbs/4/4/2/large2/2449979.jpg)

[T_L_P]

Duncan was an inefficient chucker (47%TS, 144 points on 129 shots) while Manu was incredibly efficient vs a great defense. Both teams were great defensively but Manu's offense was the difference.

19-6-4 on 64%TS in 36 mpg

Duncan won the award. If you're trying to revise that, the boiled down list would be:

Duncan: 4
Kobe: 4

Unless '02 wasn't a total fix job :oldlol:

[PieceOfFelt]

http://gifrific.gifrific.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kobe-laugh.gif

Not his best effort. Then again it might be. "Kid" is not the brightest bulb.

[coin24]

How is your anti Kobe/lakers crusade going Jameer? Solid life devotion:applause:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

OP put poor Duncan stans in a tough spot. Do we praise Duncan for being such a team player allowing the Spurs to have such stacked rosters? or do we pretend that Kobe's rosters were better regardless to compensate for the fact that 5>4?:confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

When the rape comments come out, that's when the haters are defeated.

[no pun intended]

At least be fair and compare Duncan's 9 million with Kobe's upcoming 24 since the two contracts you aforementioned were given under different circumstances.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan won the award. If you're trying to revise that, the boiled down list would be:

Duncan: 4
Kobe: 4

Unless '02 wasn't a total fix job :oldlol:
Awards are opinions, the scoreboard aka wins are facts.

[T_L_P]

Awards are opinions, the scoreboard aka wins are facts.

Holy shit bro, the goal posts shift every minute with you.

Hondo / Kobe boiled down doesn't work because one didn't win an MVP.

Losing in the Finals is somehow worse than losing in the first round or missing the Playoffs entirely.

Pathetic :roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Holy shit bro, the goal posts shift every minute with you.

Hondo / Kobe boiled down doesn't work because one didn't win an MVP.

Losing in the Finals is somehow worse than losing in the first round or missing the Playoffs entirely.

Pathetic :roll:
Finals?
Kobe: 7
Duncan: 5

Isn't true that MVP and FMVP is voted by the media, therefore the media's opinion? Or am I getting it wrong? I was just saying using the argument that Duncan won the MVP doesn't actually mean he was. :confusedshrug:

[imdaman99]

Kobe is 10 times more marketable.

[bukowski81]

Finals?
Kobe: 7
Duncan: 5

Isn't true that MVP and FMVP is voted by the media, therefore the media's opinion? Or am I getting it wrong? I was just saying using the argument that Duncan won the MVP doesn't actually mean he was. :confusedshrug:

You actually think that Ginobili was better for the Spurs in 05 than Duncan??

[Deuce Bigalow]

You actually think that Ginobili was better for the Spurs in 05 than Duncan??
05 Finals

[bukowski81]

05 Finals

You must be trolling, as great as Manu is, the only thing he has over Duncan is that he shoot better, which is somewhat expected since Duncan was the main focus of Detroit defense.

[lakerspng]

using the last year of a contract Kobe signed when he was 30, during which he brought the Lakers to 3 finals and 2 championships to compare against the contract another player adjusted once he hit the end of his career is obviously a fair comparison.

I don't think either the Lakers or the Spurs regret one cent of the hundreds of millions they paid either of their players. Incredibly stupid thread.

[rmt]

So has Duncan.

Kobe has won multiple rings with squads that were only two deep at a time.

Duncan's always had a consistent Big Three.

The numbers prove you wrong.

03 Playoffs
Parker 14.7 pts / 3.5 assts 40.3%FG
SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 rebs 41.4%
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 rebs 38.6%

09 Playoffs
Gasol 18.3 pts / 10.8 rebs 58%
Odom 12.3 pts / 9.1 rebs 52.4%
Ariza 11.3 pts / 4.2 rebs 49.7%

10 Playoffs
Gasol 19.6 pts / 11.1 rebs 53.9%
MWP 11.2 pts / 4.0 rebs 39.8%
Fisher 10.3 pts / 2.8 assts 44.8%
Odom 9.7 pts / 8.6 rebs 46.9%

[Cleverness]

You definitely didn't watch the Spurs play in '03. :facepalm

Parker's 2003 Playoff numbers:

15 PPG / 3.5 APG / .403 FG%

He was getting benched in late game situations for Speedy Claxton because of how inconsistent he was.

Manu's 2003 Playoff numbers:

9 PPG / 4 RPG / 3 APG / .386 FG%

Fisher's 2001 Playoff numbers:

14 PPG / 3 APG / .484 FG%

Fox's 2001 Playoff numbers:

10 PPG / 5 RPG / 4 APG / .450 FG%

So, explain to me how '03 Parker/Manu were better than those guys.

That was 11-13 years ago. I bet half the active people on this forum didn't even watch Parker/Manu in '03, let alone Fisher/Fox in '01.

[Round Mound]

Flash Sells Over Efficiency....

[HOoopCityJones]

The numbers prove you wrong.

03 Playoffs
Parker 14.7 pts / 3.5 assts 40.3%FG
SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 rebs 41.4%
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 rebs 38.6%

09 Playoffs
Gasol 18.3 pts / 10.8 rebs 58%
Odom 12.3 pts / 9.1 rebs 52.4%
Ariza 11.3 pts / 4.2 rebs 49.7%

10 Playoffs
Gasol 19.6 pts / 11.1 rebs 53.9%
MWP 11.2 pts / 4.0 rebs 39.8%
Fisher 10.3 pts / 2.8 assts 44.8%
Odom 9.7 pts / 8.6 rebs 46.9%

post 03?

Only roster you chumps lay your hat on, I don't see Malik's numbers anywhere.

9.3

avg 10pts in the season.

[Perfect]

Duncan is a greater all time player than Kobe AND He has had better teams. Spurs championship teams have been awesome. Duncan has been top 10 all time great too. Both are true.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Duncan tonight: 29/13/5/2/2 on 12-20

Kobe last night: 0/0/0/0/0 on 0-0

15/10 for the year.

Duncan gets his knob polished for putting Divac-esque numbers.

[Artillery]

This thread's been done to death a million times. We all know Kobe's a terrible teammate, a fake warrior(refuses to play this season), and the most overrated all-time great. Duncan's higher all-time. Stats are in his favor, accolades in his favor. Better longevity. Kobe's more popular - that's about it. With advanced stats becoming more and more commonplace as the years pass, Kobe's all-time stock will keep dropping.

[Jacks3]

Flash Sells Over Efficiency....
It's funny because Kobe is actually more efficient.

Career TS%:
Kobe: 55.5%
Duncan: 55.1%


:roll:

[D.J.]

Duncan took less money so the Spurs could sign other players to remain competitive. We have a Spurs team with 38 year old Duncan, 37 year old Ginobili, and 32 year old Parker and they're on pace for 60 wins and have the best record in the league. The Lakers haven't been a contender in 4 years.

[Deuce Bigalow]

You must be trolling, as great as Manu is, the only thing he has over Duncan is that he shoot better, which is somewhat expected since Duncan was the main focus of Detroit defense.
The Finals MVP voting was Duncan 6, Manu 4 btw. Manu didn't just shoot better, he averaged more points per minute than Duncan (.520 to .505). Reason why I bring that up is because Manu played nearly 5 less minutes per game (4.7) than Duncan. Also he has the advantage in assists and steals which are expected of a guard. But why I think he was MVP because of his efficiency, besides Rasho Nas...., Manu shot the highest FG% on the team, had a eFG% of 56.5 and 63.7%TS. This is when every other Spur besides Horry was shooting below par because of the great Detroit defense. In game 7 he had 23-5-4 on 8/13 FG, 2/2 3P, and 5/5 FT, giving him a TS% of .757 in 35 minutes, Duncan had 25 points on 27 shots...

[ThePhantomCreep]

Duncan has put up Daugherty-like numbers for most of his career. His last 20/10 season was 7 seasons ago.

His teams in recent years have been so stacked, they can win with TD posting 13/9 and 14/10. Pedestrian numbers.

This guy gets rated above Dream, Kobe, Shaq... sometimes Bird and Magic? Give me a f**kimg break.

[Jacks3]

Agreed. The fact that the Spurs have continued to contend despite his massive decline says it all. They have zero problems winning games when he doesn't play, and no problems winning even if he plays poorly. Imagine the type of hate Bryant would get if he turned into a 18/5/5 player and his team continued win 60+ games every year.

[D.J.]

Duncan has put up Daugherty-like numbers for most of his career. His last 20/10 season was 7 seasons ago.

His teams in recent years have been so stacked, they can win with TD posting 13/9 and 14/10.

This guy gets rated above Dream, Kobe, Shaq... sometimes Bird and Magic? Give me a f**kimg break.


They're not stacked. He plays fewer minutes so he's healthy for the playoffs. Popovich gets the most out of his players, no matter how average they are. He had Malik Rose and Speedy Claxton look like somewhat respectable player. This is the 3rd time in 4 years Duncan has averaged less than 30 MPG.

[Artillery]

It's funny because Kobe is actually more efficient.

Career TS%:
Kobe: 55.5%
Duncan: 55.1%


:roll:

Post-season TS%:
Duncan: 54.7
Kobe: 54.1

[T_L_P]

Duncan has put up Daugherty-like numbers for most of his career. His last 20/10 season was 7 seasons ago.

His teams in recent years have been so stacked, they can win with TD posting 13/9 and 14/10. Pedestrian numbers.

This guy gets rated above Dream, Kobe, Shaq... sometimes Bird and Magic? Give me a f**kimg break.

Anyone who has seen Duncan play would know his impact goes way beyond numbers. How about the fact that he's a far better defender than Shaq or Kobe could ever dream of being?

Duncan's 13/9 season was a real low point. But then again, Shaq at 35 put up 14/9 with less assists. And Kobe at 35, well...

Also, when did he ever put up 14/10? You mean this season, where he's putting up 15/10/3/2 in 29 minutes? Yeah, very pedestrian numbers for a 37-year-old :roll:

[Jacks3]

Postseason ORTG:

Kobe: 110
Duncan: 109

Kobe is still more efficient.

In the regular season and post-season.


lmao


:oldlol:

[Artillery]

The Finals MVP voting was Duncan 6, Manu 4 btw. Manu didn't just shoot better, he averaged more points per minute than Duncan (.520 to .505). Reason why I bring that up is because Manu played nearly 5 less minutes per game (4.7) than Duncan. Also he has the advantage in assists and steals which are expected of a guard. But why I think he was MVP because of his efficiency, besides Rasho Nas...., Manu shot the highest FG% on the team, had a eFG% of 56.5 and 63.7%TS. This is when every other Spur besides Horry was shooting below par because of the great Detroit defense. In game 7 he had 23-5-4 on 8/13 FG, 2/2 3P, and 5/5 FT, giving him a TS% of .757 in 35 minutes, Duncan had 25 points on 27 shots...

Ginobili was definitely impressive against Detroit which makes Kobe's numbers in 2004 that much more embarrassing. Kobe crumbled under the Detroit defense while Manu tore through 'em numerous times. Poor Shaq had to have a cancer like Bryant ruin his chance at a ring in 2004. Imagine if you replaced Kobe with Ginobili that year. Shaq would have five rings and another Finals MVP.

[T_L_P]

Agreed. The fact that the Spurs have continued to contend despite his massive decline says it all. They have zero problems winning games when he doesn't play, and no problems winning even if he plays poorly. Imagine the type of hate Bryant would get if he turned into a 18/5/5 player and his team continued win 60+ games every year.

The difference is, the Spurs haven't been contenders when Duncan has played poorly.

Regular season wins does not make you a contender. The reality is the Spurs were not contenders in 2011, when Duncan had a pretty poor season. Not to mention the fact that Duncan was the best Spur player in last year's Finals.

Oh, and Duncan's 18/10/3 with elite defense is far better than Kobe being an "18/5/5 player."

[BlackVVaves]

Duncan took less money so the Spurs could sign other players to remain competitive. We have a Spurs team with 38 year old Duncan, 37 year old Ginobili, and 32 year old Parker and they're on pace for 60 wins and have the best record in the league. The Lakers haven't been a contender in 4 years.

The Lakers weren't a contender in 2011 and 2012, despite being in the top 3 in the West standings?

LoL. Some of y'all just say shit just to see if it sticks, or if it will magically transform from misguided opinion to well-founded fact if you repeat it enough on an online message board.

Whether you actually believed the Lakers were going to win the title in those two years is entirely your business, but calling the Lakers non contenders those two seasons is like calling the Clippers non-contenders this season.

The Lakers have been shit for two seasons. The way y'all act you'd think they have been mediocre for 10 years, and didn't just hoist the O'Brien trophy 4 seasons ago :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Ginobili was definitely impressive against Detroit which makes Kobe's numbers in 2004 that much more embarrassing. Kobe crumbled under the Detroit defense while Manu tore through 'em numerous times. Poor Shaq had to have a cancer like Bryant ruin his chance at a ring in 2004. Imagine if you replaced Kobe with Ginobili that year. Shaq would have five rings and another Finals MVP.
You could have replaced Lebron with Casper in the 2011 Finals and Miami might have won tbh.

[Artillery]

Postseason ORTG:

Kobe: 110
Duncan: 109

Kobe is still more efficient.

In the regular season and post-season.


lmao


:oldlol:

Just giving you a heads up - you're going to be REALLY disappointed if you try to play the advanced stats game in a Kobe vs Duncan comparison. From a statistical point of view, Kobe's one of the least impressive all-time greats.

[D.J.]

The Lakers weren't a contender in 2011 and 2012, despite being in the top 3 in the West standings?

LoL. Some of y'all just say shit just to see if it sticks, or if it will magically transform from misguided opinion to well-founded fact if you repeat it enough on an online message board.

Whether you actually believed the Lakers were going to win the title in those two years is entirely your business, but calling the Lakers non contenders those two seasons is like calling the Clippers non-contenders this season.

The Lakers have been shit for two seasons. The way y'all act you'd think they have been mediocre for 10 years, and didn't just hoist the O'Brien trophy 4 seasons ago :oldlol:


Toronto is top 3 in the East right now. I guess they're contenders right now too. Being the 3rd seed does not automatically make you a contender.

[Artillery]

You could have replaced Lebron with Casper in the 2011 Finals and Miami might have won tbh.

Lebron fared about as well as Kirby did in those playoffs. Both lost to Dallas. At least he didn't get swept though. Kobe was so bad he forced Phil into retirement.

[Round Mound]

It's funny because Kobe is actually more efficient.

Career TS%:
Kobe: 55.5%
Duncan: 55.1%


:roll:

:no: :facepalm

[B]FT Shooting Is Easier Than Getting a Shot Off In Game: 1 on 1 or When Doubled or Tripled. FG% is The Most Important Scoring Stat There Is and Duncan Always Shot a Higher FG% Than Kobe. Not To Mention His Ballhandling For a 6

[ThePhantomCreep]

The difference is, the Spurs haven't been contenders when Duncan has played poorly.

Regular season wins does not make you a contender. The reality is the Spurs were not contenders in 2011, when Duncan had a pretty poor season. Not to mention the fact that Duncan was the best Spur player in last year's Finals.

Oh, and Duncan's 18/10/3 with elite defense is far better than Kobe being an "18/5/5 player."

This is revisionist history, the Spurs cruised to the best record in 2011 and were absolutely considered contenders. They lost to an 8th seed. Kobe caught crap for losing to the eventual champs that year, even though they had the exact same record as the Lakers, yet TD, Pop and the Spurs catch relatively little heat for that gag job against the Grizz.

Btw, Kobe last season was only a few months younger than Duncan in '10-'11. He had a 27/6/6 season.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Lebron fared about as well as Kirby did in those playoffs. Both lost to Dallas. At least he didn't get swept though. Kobe was so bad he forced Phil into retirement.

2011 NBA Finals, Games 1-5: LeBron was outscored in 4th quarter of those games by Udonis Haslem.

The end

[BlackVVaves]

Toronto is top 3 in the East right now. I guess they're contenders right now too. Being the 3rd seed does not automatically make you a contender.

The two time defending champs weren't contenders in 2011?

Lol, you're funny. Guess the Heat aren't contenders either, right?

[T_L_P]

This is revisionist history, the Spurs cruised to the best record in 2011 and were absolutely considered contenders. They lost to an 8th seed. Kobe caught crap for losing to the eventual champs that year, even though they had the exact same record as the Lakers, yet TD, Pop and the Spurs catch relatively little heat for that gag job against the Grizz.

Btw, Kobe last season was only a few months younger than Duncan in '10-'11. He had a 27/6/6 season.

Considered and reality are not the same thing. With Duncan playing so poorly, there's no way the Spurs had a chance of winning the championship.

It's a give and take thing as well though. People talked about the Spurs less from '09-'12 than they do now. Does it seem fair that people can overlook them for their achievements but crucify them when they come up short? It's not like Duncan or the Spurs go out and look for the attention that Kobe or LeBron does.

Btw, Kobe took his team all the way to the #7th seed. And that was with Pau, Nash and Dwight.

[Jacks3]

Just giving you a heads up - you're going to be REALLY disappointed if you try to play the advanced stats game in a Kobe vs Duncan comparison.
Kobe and Duncan have similar stats, and Kobe is the more efficient player. I'm glad you conceded that.


From a statistical point of view, Kobe's one of the least impressive all-time greats.
Kobe has a higher peak PER than guys like Duncan, Hakeem, West, Hakeem etc. He has the best minute-adjusted +/- of the 00's behind only LBJ and KG, and THE BEST offensive +/- of his era. At his peak (06), he had BY FAR the best offensive +/- in the game. He absolutely has amazing advanced stats. Are they as good as guys Jordan/LBJ/Shaq/Kareem? No, but they're certainly up there with almost every other legend/all-time great and he certainly holds his own with Duncan.

[BlackVVaves]

Lebron fared about as well as Kirby did in those playoffs. Both lost to Dallas. At least he didn't get swept though. Kobe was so bad he forced Phil into retirement.

Comparing prime LeBron, who went from averaging 25/26 per game in the regular season, and I'm certain even more in the first three rounds of the playoffs, to 18 points per game in the Finals.....to a hobbled, past his prime Kobe who needed to go to Germany the ensuing summer to treat his impaired knee.

Yeah. That's an equal assessment.

You're better off citing his 04 debacle or 08 failings. Though, they were against the decades best defenses, and historically elite. While the Mavs defense was formidable, but far from elite in that context.

[T_L_P]

Kobe and Duncan have similar stats, and Kobe is the more efficient player. I'm glad you conceded that.


Kobe has a higher peak PER than guys like Duncan, Hakeem, West, Hakeem etc. He has the best minute-adjusted +/- of the 00's behind only LBJ and KG, and THE BEST offensive +/- of his era. At his peak (06), he had BY FAR the best offensive +/- in the game. He absolutely has amazing advanced stats. Are they as good as guys Jordan/LBJ/Shaq/Kareem? No, but they're certainly up there with almost every other legend/all-time great and he certainly holds his own with Duncan.

Kobe's highest regular season PER ('06): 28.0
Postseason of the same year: 19.9

Duncan's highest regular season PER ('04): 27.1
Postseason of the same year: 24.1

Kobe's highest postseason PER ('09): 26.8
Duncan's years with a higher postseason PER ('02, '03, '06, '07, '09): 31.8, 28.4, 30.5, 27.4, 27.3

Kobe's regular season PER (career): 23.4
Duncan's regular season PER (career): 24.6

Kobe's postseason PER (career): 22.4
Duncan's postseason PER (career): 24.9

As most people already know: Duncan's production is better in both the regular season and the Playoffs. However, Duncan's overall production increases in the postseason whereas Kobe's decreases. There's no point even going into things like Win Shares.

[Jacks3]

The difference is, the Spurs haven't been contenders when Duncan has played poorly.
Of course not. He's still one of their best players, but the fact that he's a shell of himself (though still very good) and the Spurs continue to win 60+ every year is certainly noteworthy. Don't they have like a 70% winning percentage without him over the past 4 seasons?




Oh, and Duncan's 18/10/3 with elite defense is far better than Kobe being an "18/5/5 player."
Except he's more like 15/10 with mediocre efficiency (53% TS currently) and very good defense, yet the Spurs still find themselves at 55-16 with a top 3 offense. Dude gets more credit for doing less than any player in history. Well, except for maybe Wade.

[Artillery]

2011 NBA Finals, Games 1-5: LeBron was outscored in 4th quarter of those games by Udonis Haslem.

The end

At least he made the Finals. At least he didn't get swept.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe and Duncan have similar stats, and Kobe is the more efficient player. I'm glad you conceded that.


Kobe has a higher peak PER than guys like Duncan, Hakeem, West, Hakeem etc. He has the best minute-adjusted +/- of the 00's behind only LBJ and KG, and THE BEST offensive +/- of his era. At his peak (06), he had BY FAR the best offensive +/- in the game. He absolutely has amazing advanced stats. Are they as good as guys Jordan/LBJ/Shaq/Kareem? No, but they're certainly up there with almost every other legend/all-time great and he certainly holds his own with Duncan.
I'm interested in seeing a list of that stat. Link?

[ThePhantomCreep]

At least he made the Finals. At least he didn't get swept.

And he only needed two other superstars in their primes to do it! How impressive. And he still failed.

[Jacks3]

Peak PER:
Kobe: 28.2
Duncan: 27

Career TS:
Kobe: 55.5%
Duncan: 54.7%

Career ORTG:
Kobe: 111 ORTG (31.8% USG)
Duncan: 110 ORTG (27.6% USG)

Post-season ORTG:
Kobe: 111
Duncan: 109

RAPM for the decade:
Kobe: +6.1
Duncan: +5.8



derp.

Anyone can pick and choose stats.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe's highest regular season PER ('06): 28.0
Postseason of the same year: 19.9

Duncan's highest regular season PER ('04): 27.1
Postseason of the same year: 24.1

Kobe's highest postseason PER ('09): 26.8
Duncan's years with a higher postseason PER ('02, '03, '06, '07, '09): 31.8, 28.4, 30.5, 27.4, 27.3

Kobe's regular season PER (career): 23.4
Duncan's regular season PER (career): 24.6

Kobe's postseason PER (career): 22.4
Duncan's postseason PER (career): 24.9

As most people already know: Duncan's production is better in both the regular season and the Playoffs. However, Duncan's overall production increases in the postseason whereas Kobe's decreases. There's no point even going into things like Win Shares.
Besides Duncan's 03 postseason, I don't see any other playoff runs of his better than Kobe's 08, 09, 10, and 01 postseasons looking at the raw numbers.

01 - 29/7/6 on 49efg/56ts
08 - 30/6/6 on 51efg/58ts
09 - 30/5/6 on 49efg/56ts
10 - 29/6/6 on 51efg/57ts

[ThePhantomCreep]

Considered and reality are not the same thing. With Duncan playing so poorly, there's no way the Spurs had a chance of winning the championship.

It's a give and take thing as well though. People talked about the Spurs less from '09-'12 than they do now. Does it seem fair that people can overlook them for their achievements but crucify them when they come up short? It's not like Duncan or the Spurs go out and look for the attention that Kobe or LeBron does.

Btw, Kobe took his team all the way to the #7th seed. And that was with Pau, Nash and Dwight.

But it's not like Duncan busted out in 2012--he had a 15/9 season. The Spurs made it to the WC Finals anyway. (They also blew another series where they had HCA and a 2-0 lead. Very little criticism was levied upon them).

You keep bringing up TD's impressive numbers for his age--have you seen what Karl Malone was doing at 37? He was a 26/9 player. Even old fat Charles Barkley was a 16/12/5 player at 36. TD's longevity as an elite player with elite production is overstated.

[Jacks3]

I'm interested in seeing a list of that stat. Link?
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/2006/

+18.9 offensive on/off. That's the highest EVER recorded. I'm not saying these stats stats are perfect, but the idea that advanced stats don't "like'' Bryant is total bullshit and I have no idea why people keep repeating it.

[T_L_P]

Peak PER:
Kobe: 28.2
Duncan: 27

Career TS:
Kobe: 55.5%
Duncan: 54.7%

Career ORTG:
Kobe: 111 ORTG (31.8% USG)
Duncan: 110 ORTG (27.6% USG)

Post-season ORTG:
Kobe: 111
Duncan: 109

RAPM for the decade:
Kobe: +6.1
Duncan: +5.8



derp.

Anyone can pick and choose stats.

Why skew the numbers? Kobe's is not 28.2. It's 28.0 Duncan's is not 27.0. It's 27.1.

And the Playoffs matter far more. Duncan's Playoff PER numbers shatter Kobe's. :facepalm

Then there's the career numbers. Again, Duncan is the clear winner.

How about Kobe's dropoff in his best season: from a 28.0 PER to a 19.9 PER :facepalm

[Artillery]

Dude gets more credit for doing less than any player in history

You mean Kobe? Yes. One-way player that never had any meaningful defensive impact. Rode the coattails of a top ten HOF big to three rings. Missed the playoffs in his prime when said big left the team in 2005. First rounder fodder for two years until he was gifted the best frontcourt in the NBA for the next few years. As soon as Pau declined, the Lakers became irrelevant. Kobe had a good season(by his standards) in 2013 and it didn't translate at all into wins. Pure definition of Empty stats. You needs the GOAT coach(PJax) and a dominant frontcourt to be a contender with Kobe Bryant as the focal point of your team.


Are they as good as guys Jordan/LBJ/Shaq/Kareem? No, but they're certainly up there with almost every other legend/all-time great and he certainly holds his own with Duncan.

Holds his own? Duncan's closer to those guys than Kobe from advanced stats pov.

[T_L_P]

Besides Duncan's 03 postseason, I don't see any other playoff runs of his better than Kobe's 08, 09, 10, and 01 postseasons looking at the raw numbers.

01 - 29/7/6 on 49efg/56ts
08 - 30/6/6 on 51efg/58ts
09 - 30/5/6 on 49efg/56ts
10 - 29/6/6 on 51efg/57ts

Looking at the raw numbers perhaps. But Duncan's 99 run was better than all of those that you listed except '09 and maybe '01.

[Jacks3]

You mean Kobe? Yes. One-way player that never had any meaningful defensive impact. Rode the coattails of a top ten HOF big to three rings. Missed the playoffs in his prime when said big left the team in 2005. First rounder fodder for two years until he was gifted the best frontcourt in the NBA for the next few years. As soon as Pau declined, the Lakers became irrelevant. Kobe had a good season(by his standards) in 2013 and it didn't translate at all into wins. Pure definition of Empty stats. You needs the GOAT coach(PJax) and a dominant frontcourt to be a contender with Kobe Bryant as the focal point of your team.





Welp. Now I now this is totally pointless. Good night.

[Artillery]

Welp. Now I now this is totally pointless. Good night.

Pointless? You're the one posting offensive stats and ignoring defensive impact. Kobe has never had any relevant defensive impact on the game. Look up any RAPM chart. Kobe's the most overrated defender in NBA history. His legacy is as an offensive player. He rates poorly in all defensive metrics.

[chazzy]

You needs the GOAT coach(PJax) and a dominant frontcourt to be a contender with Kobe Bryant as the focal point of your team.
Based on the 3 years he was surrounded by garbage?

[T_L_P]

Peak PER:
Kobe: 28.2
Duncan: 27

Career TS:
Kobe: 55.5%
Duncan: 54.7%

Career ORTG:
Kobe: 111 ORTG (31.8% USG)
Duncan: 110 ORTG (27.6% USG)

Post-season ORTG:
Kobe: 111
Duncan: 109

RAPM for the decade:
Kobe: +6.1
Duncan: +5.8



derp.

Anyone can pick and choose stats.

Duncan has a better regular season career PER, a better Playoff career PER, and better peak Playoff PERs (his five best are better than Kobe's best).

Nobody's picking and choosing anything.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Based on the 3 years he was surrounded by garbage?

Haven't you heard? Kobe's failure to win titles with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown will forever taint his legacy.

Truth is, Kobe got 2/3 the championship haul of TD/Parker/Ginobili (who have been together for 12 seasons) with just Gasol, Odom, and a one-legged Bynum. Overall, it's a more impressive accomplishment.

[davehos]

Problem with this board is there are too many -stans and not enough people who love the game. Duncan has been playing basketball for nearly 2 decades and put up monster stats tonight and accepted less money for [whatever reason he damn well pleases].

[Artillery]

Problem with Kobe is that he's criticizing the front office for putting together a garbage team while ignoring the fact that he's raping the Lakers cap with his bloated 30 million salary. Kobe wants to have his cake and eat it too. It's ridiculous(and funny) to watch it all play out. He's the only "star" in the league that doesn't seem to understand that you need to take a paycut in order to win under the new CBA. Hell, Lebron's leaps and bounds better than Bryant and he's only making 19 mil.

[Artillery]

Haven't you heard? Kobe's failure to win titles with Smush Parker and Kwame Brown will forever taint his legacy.

Truth is, Kobe got 2/3 the championship haul of TD/Parker/Ginobili (who have been together for 12 seasons) with just Gasol, Odom, and a one-legged Bynum. Overall, it's a more impressive accomplishment.

You must be under the impression that Parker was a good player in the early 2000s. When the Spurs won titles from '03 to '07, they were a big two with Duncan and Manu. Horry was their third best player during that period. Lakers from 2008-2011 were a more legit big three with Kobe/Gasol/Odom or Bynum.

[Jameerthefear]

15/10 for the year.

Duncan gets his knob polished for putting Divac-esque numbers.
Are you mad?

[3peated]

cost of living is higher in LA than texas

[Black and White]

Are you mad?

Jameer still trolling as always :facepalm

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

cost of living is higher in LA than texas
Seriously. What's Kobe get out of that $30 mill? $15-$17 million after taxes?

[HOoopCityJones]

Seriously. What's Kobe get out of that $30 mill? $15-$17 million after taxes?

:no: Sshh... You're only supposed to bring up Texas's lack of a income tax if it's the most logical place for a star player to go over the costly NY and LA markets.

Otherwise , those facts don't exist. :confusedshrug:

[Jameerthefear]

Bump. I want to discuss this a bit more.

[tmacattack33]

Duncan's a PF with a fundamentals based game. He won't sell out any arenas by himself.

Kobe will though.

[DonDadda59]

Bump. I want to discuss this a bit more.

What's there to discuss? Timmy took a huge pay cut to get the Spurs under the cap and ensure that they would continue to contend for rings. Bean held them up Jesse James style while eating Ben & Jerry's on his couch and then whined to the media about the Buss family not getting talent on the roster.

The End.

[TheReal Kendall]

What's there to discuss? Timmy took a huge pay cut to get the Spurs under the cap and ensure that they would continue to contend for rings. Bean held them up Jesse James style while eating Ben & Jerry's on his couch and then whined to the media about the Buss family not getting talent on the roster.

The End.

:roll:

[kaiteng]

Duncan earns less to win more. For a small-market team like Spurs, it works.

[secund2nun]

It gets even worse when you consider the fact that Duncan is 10 times the player Kobe EVER was.

Duncan is just massively superior to Kobe as a player, teammate, and intangibles (rape vs no rape, blaming teammates and stealing credit vs none of that, greedy vs non greedy)

[zoom17]

What's there to discuss? Timmy took a huge pay cut to get the Spurs under the cap and ensure that they would continue to contend for rings. Bean held them up Jesse James style while eating Ben & Jerry's on his couch and then whined to the media about the Buss family not getting talent on the roster.

The End.

:applause:

[TonyMontana]

Even if they made the same amount of money I bet every team would rather have Duncan than Kobe.

looks like even the sheep are waking up and realize that Duncan is the higher ranked player of this generation. The top 5 is Shaq, Duncan, LeBron, Dirk, and KG. No Kobe

[Derka]

What's there to discuss? Timmy took a huge pay cut to get the Spurs under the cap and ensure that they would continue to contend for rings. Bean held them up Jesse James style while eating Ben & Jerry's on his couch and then whined to the media about the Buss family not getting talent on the roster.

The End.

I don't hate Kobe at all, but I feel like I agree completely with this.

[chocolatethunder]

I think Kobe is a super player and I don't get into rankings. They are both all time greats. The disparity in their contracts says a lot about how they view themselves and their teams. That being said, I don't blame Kobe for taking the money but he should realize that it didn't really help the Lakers position. In addition, the coaching carousel in LA doesn't make it an attractive place to play either.

[b0bab0i]

What's there to discuss? Timmy took a huge pay cut to get the Spurs under the cap and ensure that they would continue to contend for rings. Bean held them up Jesse James style while eating Ben & Jerry's on his couch and then whined to the media about the Buss family not getting talent on the roster.

The End.
:cheers:
:applause:

/endthread

[b0bab0i]

I think Kobe is a super player and I don't get into rankings. They are both all time greats. The disparity in their contracts says a lot about how they view themselves and their teams. That being said, I don't blame Kobe for taking the money but he should realize that it didn't really help the Lakers position. In addition, the coaching carousel in LA doesn't make it an attractive place to play either.

If he took the money, he shouldn't be complaining that his team his sh!t and blaming Buss Family since he's taking up 1/2 the salary cap.

[JohnFreeman]

What's there to discuss? Timmy took a huge pay cut to get the Spurs under the cap and ensure that they would continue to contend for rings. Bean held them up Jesse James style while eating Ben & Jerry's on his couch and then whined to the media about the Buss family not getting talent on the roster.

The End.
:oldlol:

[Bandito]

I think Kobe is a super player and I don't get into rankings. They are both all time greats. The disparity in their contracts says a lot about how they view themselves and their teams. That being said, I don't blame Kobe for taking the money but he should realize that it didn't really help the Lakers position. In addition, the coaching carousel in LA doesn't make it an attractive place to play either.
I believe in rankings by position only.

[Bandito]

Even if they made the same amount of money I bet every team would rather have Duncan than Kobe.

looks like even the sheep are waking up and realize that Duncan is the higher ranked player of this generation. The top 5 is Shaq, Duncan, LeBron, Dirk, and KG. No Kobe
:facepalm

[Laker4Lyfe]

Bump. I want to discuss this a bit more.

YOU haven't discussed anything. Why does ISH allow you to troll constantly?

:facepalm

[Meticode]

sDuncan understand what he needs to do to stay competitive. Rest when needed and take paycuts when needed. Every single year the Spurs are written off, and every single year the make people stuff their foot in their mouth.

Otherwise Bryant is resigning for tens of millions of dollars while not even playing.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Duncan took a pay cut in 2012 when he was averaging 15 & 9 ..

Kobe just came off a yeah where he averaged 27/6/6 and took a 7 million dollar pay cut.

Kobe took an offer that the Lakers gave to him, say what you want but this was a very smart move by the Lakers that will eventually lead to more FA signings.. they showed that they are loyal and will take care of their players

[rmt]

You're a Duncan stan bro, so you underrate that roster to try and prop up Timmy's feats. You know me man, Ive never tried to downplay Duncan, I think he's Top ten all time just behind Shaq and Kobe.


EDIT: Do I have to break out the picture of our 2010 roster?

Who's underrating whose roster?

2003 Spurs playoffs
Parker 14.7 pts / 3.5 asst 40.3%
SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 reb 41.4%
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 reb 38.6%

2009 Lakers playoffs
Gasol 18.3 pts / 10.8 rebs / 2.5 asst / 2 blk 58%
Odom 12.3 pts / 9.1 rebs / 1.3 blk 52.4%
Ariza 11.3 pts / 4.2 reb 49.7%

2010 Lakers playoffs
Gasol 19.6 pts / 11.1 reb / 3.5 asst / 2.1 blk 53.9%
MWP 11.2 pts / 4.0 reb 39.8%
Fisher 10.3 pts / 2.8 asst 44.8%
Odom 9.7 pts / 8.6 reb 46.9%

Kobe stans shouldn't be talking about his help/roster (8 years with MDE) - especially when compared to Duncan's.

[RRR3]

You could have replaced Lebron with Casper in the 2011 Finals and Miami might have won tbh.
What the hell does LeBron have to do with this thread? :facepalm

[JohnFreeman]

Who's underrating whose roster?

2003 Spurs playoffs
Parker 14.7 pts / 3.5 asst 40.3%
SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 reb 41.4%
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 reb 38.6%

2009 Lakers playoffs
Gasol 18.3 pts / 10.8 rebs / 2.5 asst / 2 blk 58%
Odom 12.3 pts / 9.1 rebs / 1.3 blk 52.4%
Ariza 11.3 pts / 4.2 reb 49.7%

2010 Lakers playoffs
Gasol 19.6 pts / 11.1 reb / 3.5 asst / 2.1 blk 53.9%
MWP 11.2 pts / 4.0 reb 39.8%
Fisher 10.3 pts / 2.8 asst 44.8%
Odom 9.7 pts / 8.6 reb 46.9%

Kobe stans shouldn't be talking about his help/roster (8 years with MDE) - especially when compared to Duncan's.
:eek:

[RRR3]

What's there to discuss? Timmy took a huge pay cut to get the Spurs under the cap and ensure that they would continue to contend for rings. Bean held them up Jesse James style while eating Ben & Jerry's on his couch and then whined to the media about the Buss family not getting talent on the roster.

The End.
:roll:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Duncan:applause: :applause:
Clutchbrick:roll: :roll: :roll:

[theoneneo]

Lol Duncan is a jackass and that is all. Kobe has been to three finals and has won two of them since Duncan won his last...

Point being, when you're Tim Duncan and your team gets knocked out in the first round by an 8th seed, gets knocked out by Steve Nash's Suns, chokes away a 2-0 lead against a young thunder team, Chokes away an NBA finals :lol that ass better take a pay cut.

[theoneneo]

Lol Duncan is a jackass and that is all. Kobe has been to three finals and has won two of them since Duncan won his last...

Point being, when you're Tim Duncan and your team gets knocked out in the first round by an 8th seed, gets knocked out by Steve Nash's Suns, chokes away a 2-0 lead against a young thunder team, Chokes away an NBA finals :lol that ass better take a pay cut.

End Thread... Dat burn:pimp:

[RRR3]

End Thread... Dat burn:pimp:
Quoted his own post to give himself a compliment. Must have forgot to switch accounts before doing so though.

[T_L_P]

End Thread... Dat burn:pimp:

:oldlol:

[JohnFreeman]

Quoted his own post to give himself a compliment. Must have forgot to switch accounts before doing so though.
:oldlol:

[Big#50]

Quoted his own post to give himself a compliment. Must have forgot to switch accounts before doing so though.
I seriously worry for Kobe Fanatics. Their god is done. It is all they seem to have.

[theoneneo]

Quoted his own post to give himself a compliment. Must have forgot to switch accounts before doing so though.

No actually unlike most of you assclowns I only have time for 1 account. Facts are facts tho, Timmy D has more playoff failures than Kobe...

Lost to Kobe in 2008 - Dat Burn :pimp:
Lost to the 6th seeded Mavs in 2009 - First round
Swept by the Steve Nash and Gentry in 2010
Lost to 8th Seed Grizzles :lol in 2011
Lost to Thunder after being up 2-0 :lol
Lost to Heat, choked in the finals :lol

Lol c'mon son, and Duncan's production hasn't been more than Kobe's either during these years, his production actually dropped, a lot, he also doesn't bring in as much money as Kobe. So yea, he makes less, deal with it.

[theoneneo]

No actually unlike most of you assclowns I only have time for 1 account. Facts are facts tho, Timmy D has more playoff failures than Kobe...

Lost to Kobe in 2008 - Dat Burn :pimp:
Lost to the 6th seeded Mavs in 2009 - First round
Swept by the Steve Nash and Gentry in 2010
Lost to 8th Seed Grizzles :lol in 2011
Lost to Thunder after being up 2-0 :lol
Lost to Heat, choked in the finals :lol

Lol c'mon son, and Duncan's production hasn't been more than Kobe's either during these years, his production actually dropped, a lot, he also doesn't bring in as much money as Kobe. So yea, he makes less, deal with it.

Ether? :bowdown:

[Eric Cartman]

Theoneneo you might need psychiatric help.

I'm here for you dude :cheers:

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kobe


Duncan
KD
Garnett










bran

[TheMarkMadsen]

Who's underrating whose roster?

2003 Spurs playoffs
Parker 14.7 pts / 3.5 asst 40.3%
SJax 12.8 pts / 4.1 reb 41.4%
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 reb 38.6%

2009 Lakers playoffs
Gasol 18.3 pts / 10.8 rebs / 2.5 asst / 2 blk 58%
Odom 12.3 pts / 9.1 rebs / 1.3 blk 52.4%
Ariza 11.3 pts / 4.2 reb 49.7%

2010 Lakers playoffs
Gasol 19.6 pts / 11.1 reb / 3.5 asst / 2.1 blk 53.9%
MWP 11.2 pts / 4.0 reb 39.8%
Fisher 10.3 pts / 2.8 asst 44.8%
Odom 9.7 pts / 8.6 reb 46.9%

Kobe stans shouldn't be talking about his help/roster (8 years with MDE) - especially when compared to Duncan's.

why only show 03?

2007 Spurs playoffs

Parker 21/6/3/ 1 steal 48% - FMVP
Manu 17/6/4 2 steals 40%
Finley 11/3/1 41%
Bruce Bowen- All defensive first team

2005 Spurs playoffs

Manu 21/6/4 51%
Parker 17/4/3 45%
Horry 9/5/2 1 steal 1 block 45%
Bruce Bowen- All defensive first team

...

[T_L_P]

why only show 03?

2007 Spurs playoffs

Parker 21/6/3/ 1 steal 48%
Manu 17/6/4 2 steals 40%
Finley 11/3/1 41%
Bruce Bowen- All defensive first team

2005 Spurs playoffs

Manu 21/6/4 51%
Parker 17/4/3 45%
Horry 9/5/2 1 steal 1 block 45%
Bruce Bowen- All defensive first team

...

'05 and '07 Spurs were stacked. No getting around that (although I'm still taking peak Shaq and the '10 Lakers frontline over them). But '99 wasn't especially great (Robinson was still elite, but outside of that it was a bunch of old heads), and the '03 Spurs were not a championship team in any sense of the word :confusedshrug:

'00, '01, and '02 was the exact same.

[secund2nun]

Even if they made the same amount of money I bet every team would rather have Duncan than Kobe.

looks like even the sheep are waking up and realize that Duncan is the higher ranked player of this generation. The top 5 is Shaq, Duncan, LeBron, Dirk, and KG. No Kobe

:applause:

Logic and reason this is

[theoneneo]

:applause:

Logic and reason this is

Lost to Kobe in 2008 - Dat Burn
Lost to the 6th seeded Mavs in 2009 - First round
Swept by the Steve Nash and Gentry in 2010
Lost to 8th Seed Grizzles in 2011
Lost to Thunder after being up 2-0
Lost to Heat, choked in the finals

:lol Cute

[T_L_P]

Lost to Kobe in 2008 - Dat Burn
Lost to the 6th seeded Mavs in 2009 - First round
Swept by the Steve Nash and Gentry in 2010
Lost to 8th Seed Grizzles in 2011
Lost to Thunder after being up 2-0
Lost to Heat, choked in the finals

:lol Cute

Lost to inferior Spurs in 2003
Lost to the vastly inferior Pistons in 2004, one of the biggest individual meltdowns in Finals history
Missed the Playoffs in 2005
Choked a 3-1 lead to Phoenix in 2006
First round fodder in 2007
Lost to the Celtics, choked in the Finals

And this was all in Kobe's prime :roll:

[theoneneo]

Lost to inferior Spurs in 2003
Lost to the vastly inferior Pistons in 2004, one of the biggest individual meltdowns in Finals history
Missed the Playoffs in 2005
Choked a 3-1 lead to Phoenix in 2006
First round fodder in 2007
Lost to the Celtics, choked in the Finals

And this was all in Kobe's prime :roll:

Lol Lost to a Higher seed in 2003
No excuse for pistons I'd admit
Missed lots of games in 2005
Lost to a superior team in 06, and 07, and 08

:confusedshrug:

Duncan looses despite being the top seed every time, you lost *****

[Cold soul]

Lol Duncan is a jackass and that is all. Kobe has been to three finals and has won two of them since Duncan won his last...

Point being, when you're Tim Duncan and your team gets knocked out in the first round by an 8th seed, gets knocked out by Steve Nash's Suns, chokes away a 2-0 lead against a young thunder team, Chokes away an NBA finals :lol that ass better take a pay cut.

http://lornasvoice.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/oh-snap.jpg

[sportjames23]

Damn, now we got Kobe stans and Duncan fans going at it. I'm used to Kobe and Lebron stans fighting, not this. :lol

[jimmy77x]

:lol

[DMV2]

Damn, now we got Kobe stans and Duncan fans going at it. I'm used to Kobe and Lebron stans fighting, not this. :lol
Kobetards are fighting a loss battle. First, Shaq carried their hero for 3 free rings and now Duncan has surpassed their hero on most people's lists.

They can't even use 5 > 4 anymore.
Anything they say, you can just counter it with 5/3/2 > 5/2/1 :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobetards are fighting a loss battle. First, Shaq carried their hero for 3 free rings and now Duncan has surpassed their hero on most people's lists.

They can't even use 5 > 4 anymore.
Anything they say, you can just counter it with 5/3/2 > 5/2/1 :lol


So Kobe gets "carried" while averaging 29/7/6 & 27/6/5 in the playoffs with 25/8/6 & 27/6/6 in the finals..

Duncan goes for 16/9 in the playoffs & 15/10 in the finals and its more legit than those Kobe runs?

:lol :applause:

[Jameerthefear]

:roll: I love this thread.

[BigBoss]

Kobe at 38 could take a paycut to 9.64 million.

[BigBoss]

OP just salty because his team is only newsworthy when losing superstars. The Orlando Magic and Cleveland Cavaliers are disgraces to the league

[DonDadda59]

Let Them Eat CakeBe

[tontoz]

Kobe: 5

Duncan: 4


Robert Horry >>>> both

[tontoz]

Has any top player blatantly cost his team a ring the way Kobe did against the Pistons?