Lebron James is not a Top 10 player of all time.

[Bandito]

2011 finals choke is a serious detriment to his career. And let's not talk about teaming up because he wasn't good enough to lead his own team.

2013 he got exposed as being a scaredy cat who's afraid to shoot from the outside if he isn't open.

2014 he got exposed as whiny b1tch, who will throw his teammates under the bus.

2007 he got swept by the Spurs and Lebron was owned by an old Bowen. Seriously? Even Kobe a supposedly inferior player killed the Spurs everytime they played in the playoffs.

[RagaZ]

You forgot 2007.

I know you had a sh*t team and played against the mighty Spurs, but to be swept in a f*cking finals is embarrassing. Only happened twice in this century if im not mistaken.

[dannywpt]

You forgot the part where he abandoned the team he promised a ring and teamed up with 2 future hall of famers in their primes to take the easy way out

[Cold soul]

I have Lebron ranked 11th.

[Brizzly]

Yes he is.

I'd rank him above Wilt and Hakeem at 8th. Win this year he is closing in on top 3.

[HOoopCityJones]

Lebron is like 12th-13th

[LeGOAT]

List your top ten so I can critique them. Also who is he throwing under the bus??

[moe94]

Bus.

[HOoopCityJones]

Yes he is.

I'd rank him above Wilt and Hakeem at 8th. Win this year he is closing in on top 3.

WTF, If Lebron is so high already, where the phuck is Kobe?

[navy]

All that and he's still a better player than Kobe.

[zoom17]

OP he is going to be whether you like him or not.

[Bandito]

You forgot 2007.

I know you had a sh*t team and played against the mighty Spurs, but to be swept in a f*cking finals is embarrassing. Only happened twice in this century if im not mistaken.
Added.:cheers:

[HOoopCityJones]

All that and he's still a better player than Kobe.

It's sad that this is Bron stans only come back to Lebron being a farce.


Kobe is hurt and declining , what does he have to do with Lebron's prime vanquishing before his eyes?

[Brizzly]

List your top ten so I can critique them.

My top 10

MJ
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Russell
Kobe
LBJ
Wilt
Keem

[IncarceratedBob]

He's already better all time than Tim Duncan

[Bandito]

OP he is going to be whether you like him or not.
I meant currently. Should had put that in the title.

[mehyaM24]

4 mvps,2 finals mvps with some of the greatest all-around stats ever. and he isnt top 10? LMAO

op = low iq

[KirbyPls]

OP he is going to be whether you like him or not.

He already is. 4 MVPs; 2 rings; 2 Finals MVps;

Kobetards scared, desperate and mad that Lebron is better now than their rapist idol ever was.

[Shep]

The only players better all-time are Michael Jordan, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

[Droid101]

He's already better all time than Tim Duncan
LeBron trolls are going insane.

[red1]

yeah. good one. and lemme guess grass isn't green and kobe isnt a rapist

[aburre21]

OP, where do you rank Kobe? That's all I want to know to see if I should respond to your opinion

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron has a chance to crack the top 10 one day.

[Warfan]

I have him in the 8-10 tier. Only valid thing you brought up was 2011, and even then plenty of greats have had bad series.

[HOoopCityJones]

yeah. good one. and lemme guess grass isn't green and kobe isnt a rapist


http://a.fod4.com/images/GifGuide/clapping/busey_clapping.gif


You original

[LeGOAT]

KObe is not a top 10 player of all time.

Swept by the Mavs in 2011.

Lost in 5 to the Pistons in 2004 Finals. 38% shooting and 4 turnovers per game.

Throws teammates under the bus every year. Cried for a trade out of LA until gifted Gasol.

6/24 shooting in game 7 of 2010 NBA Finals. Robs Gasol of FMVP

[HOoopCityJones]

KObe is not a top 10 player of all time.

Swept by the Mavs in 2011.

Lost in 5 to the Pistons in 2004 Finals. 38% shooting and 4 turnovers per game.

Throws teammates under the bus every year. Cried for a trade out of LA until gifted Gasol.

6/24 shooting in game 7 of 2010 NBA Finals. Robs Gasol of FMVP

Lebron meets all of these requirements so he must not be even Top 15.

[oarabbus]

He's already better all time than Tim Duncan


:facepalm you again?

[aburre21]

KObe is not a top 10 player of all time.

Swept by the Mavs in 2011.

Lost in 5 to the Pistons in 2004 Finals. 38% shooting and 4 turnovers per game.

Throws teammates under the bus every year. Cried for a trade out of LA until gifted Gasol.

6/24 shooting in game 7 of 2010 NBA Finals. Robs Gasol of FMVP


up 3-1 versus the Suns and lost. Choked against the Thunder in 2012. Got beat by damn near 40 in a close out game of the 2008 finals while shooting 7-22

[Solefade]

so where does Kobe rank then OP?

[Cold soul]

The only players better all-time are Michael Jordan, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

http://cdn.niketalk.com/4/47/47e89bb9_michael-jordan-laughing.gif

[Angel Face]

He is within 15 - 11 range. KD will surpass him this year after he wins his 1st NBA Championship and FMVP.

[HOoopCityJones]

so where does Kobe rank then OP?

# 8

I'd put him above Wilt too, but this advanced stat generation would shit a brick if I don't put the career loser above Kobe.

Stats mean more then W's.

Passing more than Buckets etc.

[Jameerthefear]

Bandito I can't respect your opinion anymore. First you say Nagi is 5/10 now this shit? SMH

[Solefade]

# 8

I'd put him above Wilt too, but this advanced stat generation would shit a brick if I don't put the career loser above Kobe.

Stats mean more then W's.

Passing more than Buckets etc.


i didn't ask you fggt, of course you'd say some ridiculous shit like that

[3LiftHeatCurse]

WTF, If Lebron is so high already, where the phuck is Kobe?

Kobe is around 15-20.

Rings are not the only factor in the equation, or else guys like Robert Horry would be higher

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe is around 15-20.

Rings are not the only factor in the equation, or else guys like Robert Horry would be higher


LOL, you're a troll.

Horry has never been a 2nd or even third option on a championship Team.


Wait, so all bullshit aside you idiots SERIOUSLY believe Kobe isn't Top 8? :biggums:

Take the LBJ **** out of your asses , ASAP.

[Shep]

http://cdn.niketalk.com/4/47/47e89bb9_michael-jordan-laughing.gif
:confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

I can't take Lebron stans seriously because they dubbed him GOAT after his first ring.

[shrempf_on_rice]

Lose to lower seeds year after year until he bailed to team up with two other stars in their prime. Yea not even close to top 15

[Keno]

thread backfired. kobetards gonna act like 'tards. nothing new here.

[ArbitraryWater]

wow pathetic thread tbh... thought ppl would be kinda past this and could appreciate.

[Shabba Ranks]

OP lives in the most poverty stricken island ( old san juan is full of scam artists )in the carribean, Please excuse his lack of education.

[coin24]

MJ
Kaj
Russell
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem



Bran is around 15 maybe. Not impressed by quitters, unclutch loser piggybackers sorry..

[TheMilkyBarKid]

LOL, you're a troll.

Horry has never been a 2nd or even third option on a championship Team.


Wait, so all bullshit aside you idiots SERIOUSLY believe Kobe isn't Top 8? :biggums:

Take the LBJ **** out of your asses , ASAP.
Jordan, kareem, bird, magic, russel, wilt, shaq, funcan, hakeem all better than kobe. Lebron is neck an neck now, anything more and he will surpass him (if he hasnt already). Kobe aint top 8.
Then cases can be made for west, big o and dr j (having his peak in the aba hurts his legacy)

[TheMilkyBarKid]

MJ
Kaj
Russell
Magic
Bird
Wilt
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Hakeem



Bran is around 15 maybe. Not impressed by quitters, unclutch loser piggybackers sorry..
Lol at kobe being above shaq, duncan and hakeem.

[HOoopCityJones]

Jordan, kareem, bird, magic, russel, wilt, shaq, funcan, hakeem all better than kobe. Lebron is neck an neck now, anything more and he will surpass him (if he hasnt already). Kobe aint top 8.
Then cases can be made for west, big o and dr j (having his peak in the aba hurts his legacy)

Bird , 2FMVP out of three

Wilt, 1FMVP out two

Hakeem, 2FMVP out two


What makes any of these guys better aside from FG%?


FYI Bird would take Kobe over boy toy Lebron anyday.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Bird , 2FMVP out of three

Wilt, 1FMVP out two

Hakeem, 2FMVP out two


What makes any of these guys better aside from FG%?


FYI Bird would take Kobe over boy toy Lebron anyday.
Overall impact on the game, simple.
Provide a quote that proves bird would.
For what its worth magic would probably take lebron (although he seems to change his opinion frequently).

[blood yes]

2011 finals choke is a serious detriment to his career. And let's not talk about teaming up because he wasn't good enough to lead his own team.

2013 he got exposed as being a scaredy cat who's afraid to shoot from the outside if he isn't open.

2014 he got exposed as whiny b1tch, who will throw his teammates under the bus.

2007 he got swept by the Spurs and Lebron was owned by an old Bowen. Seriously? Even Kobe a supposedly inferior player killed the Spurs everytime they played in the playoffs.
As someone who is not on either side, and is unbiased, I agree with 2011, but 2007? Are you serious??

MJ wouldnt have beat that spurs team, and btw, lebron had his best game ever(at the age of 21) against the pistons in that game 5. No game since has ever topped that one in terms of impact. He basically crushed the pistons dynasty by himself.

2011, i definately agree however. 2007 tho, imo, was LeBron's best year as a pro. And yes, i mean this. I have never seen LeBron drive to the rim, or cross over dudes, or hit fadeaway jumpers like LeBron did in the game 5 2007 ECF. LeBron sems to have declined from 2008 onwards sadly :cry:

[red1]

next they are going to try to convince us that the world is flat. what is wrong with these kooks

[maybeshewill13]

Agreed. Dude needs to win a couple more rings and FMVP to really cement his legacy. One more will get him into 9th or so, another might get him into 6th.

Has a lot of making up to do for his choke jobs and colluding to form the most stacked team in history.

[Kingwillball]

He is within 15 - 11 range. KD will surpass him this year after he wins his 1st NBA Championship and FMVP.


:facepalm :roll: Your a tard..

[maybeshewill13]

:facepalm :roll: Your a tard..
Says the guy who struggles with basic concepts of the English language :rolleyes:

[NumberSix]

top 4

[Heavincent]

:facepalm :roll: Your a tard..

His a tard?

[Megabox!]

Is OP serious with this thread? :biggums:

[HOoopCityJones]

Overall impact on the game, simple.
Provide a quote that proves bird would.
For what its worth magic would probably take lebron (although he seems to change his opinion frequently).

Oh , my bad bro, I didn't know Kobe didn't have an impact on the game in any of his FIVE rings.

Do you people even realize how delusional you sound?

:biggums:

[Fudge]

Me gots him at 11.

[Bandito]

yeah. good one. and lemme guess grass isn't green and kobe isnt a rapist
it isn't in Fall:lol

[Bandito]

Lebran Jaime scored 8 points in a finals game...What a waste of talent. :facepalm:

[red1]

it isn't in Fall:lol
yeah grass is still green here. :lol grass changes from green where you live?

[J Shuttlesworth]

:lol Kobe fans going crazy in here

[Bandito]

yeah grass is still green here. :lol grass changes from green where you live?
Grass is always yellowish green where I live unless watered. It is too hot here, but in (what you guys call "Winter") it stays green.

I'ma take a pic next time if I remember.

[red1]

Grass is always yellowish green where I live unless watered. It is too hot here, but in (what you guys call "Winter") it stays green.

I'ma take a pic next time if I remember.
newsflash dumbass, grass is always green and kobe is always a rapist :lol

[Bandito]

newsflash dumbass, grass is always green and kobe is always a rapist :lol
Grass is not always green, and that's a fact:lol

[Bob Dole]

Lol at Kobe being ranked above Lebron. There is literally no argument for the rapist being better than the balding man.

Freaking idiots.

[Rocketswin2013]

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Magic
4. Bird
5. Shaq*
6. Duncan*
7. Hakeem*
8. LeBron*
9. Wilt *


* Means their spots can literally and arguably be arranged in any way through the 5 - 9.

[Smoke117]

You forgot 2007.

I know you had a sh*t team and played against the mighty Spurs, but to be swept in a f*cking finals is embarrassing. Only happened twice in this century if im not mistaken.

Anyone who brings up 2007 is an idiot. (so i guess that's you) The Cavs should have never even gotten past the Piston's, but they managed to basically play the most awful series that group had ever played. No one expected the Spurs to need more than 5 games to take out the Cavs.

[ripthekik]

newsflash dumbass, grass is always green and kobe is always a rapist :lol
are raptors the victims of kobe's rape? In that case, I agree :lol

[LAZERUSS]

Yep...there are a TON of players ahead of Lebron with more impressive resumes. There is a long list of players who have won four regular season MVPs, two FMVP's, two rings, led the league in scoring, and with multiple 30+ ppg post-seasons. All in ten seasons, and he is working in adding to that resume in this season.

[Straight_Ballin]

newsflash dumbass, grass is always green and kobe is always a rapist :lol

If you would actually go outside instead of being on ISH all day, you would know that grass is not always green lol!

[Asukal]

Not yet but will be if he keeps winning. :rolleyes:

[Mr. Jabbar]

hasnt cracked top 20 in my list

[pauk]

In that case nobody in the top 10 is a top 10 player considering all of them accumulated more negative playoff outcomes....

[MMM]

I really despise the ranking culture that dominated NBA fan base. There is no real consistency in the rankings and many lists just have to many holes for any legitimate discussion to be had. With that being said LeBron accolades are that of a top 10 player all time.

4 MVPs in 5 years isn't anything to scoff at, only Russell has done that I believe.

His consistency as an elite player in the league is something special as well. I think it can be argued that he has been a top 2 player in the league since 06 - 07. I'm not sure there have been many players that have as many elite seasons or have been among the elite for a extended period of time as LeBron.

With that being said, part of me really doesn't believe he is as good a basketball talent as guys like Kobe, TD, Shaq but it seems like he is destined to be ranked ahead of those guys.

[LakersForlife]

top 15 at best for me. with hes past playoff chokes

[The-Legend-24]

He's not. Nikkas with only 1 ring aren't top 10.

[Andrei89]

He is top 10

He is above Kirby all time

And OP is part of the homosexual community

[L.A. Jazz]

you only make my top 10 with great resume in the playoffs. so far he rocks the RS, he is good in the PO but not top 10. it looks like he will be in he future. but for me not right now.

[MMM]

lol at people stressing grass is green or whatever. The sky aint always blue but just a goddamn saying for christ's sake.

[sejoon101]

made it 3 stars.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk158/sejoon101/30-butts-on-boat-cute-girl-gifs.gif (http://s279.photobucket.com/user/sejoon101/media/30-butts-on-boat-cute-girl-gifs.gif.html)

[FPJ]

Maybe if he wins a ring this year he might crack top 50. If he had any brains he'd know not making the playoffs >>>>>>playing in the NBA finals and losing.

[Andrei89]

Maybe if he wins a ring this year he might crack top 50. If he had any brains he'd know not making the playoffs >>>>>>playing in the NBA finals and losing.


Best post in this horrible homosexual thread.

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[sketchy]

As much as I'm not a fan of Bron, I have him at 10. But he doesn't have much room to move up. He's damaged so much of his career already that it's hard to see him moving much higher unless he gets like 4-5 more rings.

[HOoopCityJones]

4 MVPs in 5 years isn't anything to scoff at, only Russell has done that I believe.



So we just gonna pretend their circumstances weren't totally different?

Bill Russell is apart of the MVP era voted on by peers, not media.

[Bandito]

Best post in this horrible homosexual thread.

:bowdown: :bowdown:
I wonder who sucks more c*cks me or a Lebron stan like yourself!?


:lol

[MMM]

So we just gonna pretend their circumstances weren't totally different?

Bill Russell is apart of the MVP era voted on by peers, not media.

Wasn't really pretending that at all. However, I think one poster pointed out that there wouldn't be a significant difference in Media votes over peer votes. Voting systems has flaws whether it is peers, media, or coaches. Don't think it is logical to prop up one voting system over another when they seem similarly flawed.

[pegasus]

Of course he is not. He needs to win at least 3 more without teaming up with more superstars. If he continues to win as his teammates age so that they are not that stacked anymore, his rings will finally have the actual value of a championship ring. But I know he's gonna bail on Miami and form another super stacked team which will be young enough to compete for 3-4 years.

[DStebb716]

You forgot the part where you're a ****ing idiot who purposely ignores the many failures other players had.

[MMM]

Of course he is not. He needs to win at least 3 more without teaming up with more superstars. If he continues to win as his teammates age so that they are not that stacked anymore, his rings will finally have the actual value of a championship ring. But I know he's gonna bail on Miami and form another super stacked team which will be young enough to compete for 3-4 years.

He was the only superstar on his title teams. Wade was still at an all star level and Bosh was nothing special. To be honest the Heat's supporting cast doesn't even compare to the majority of the teams that have won post 2000's. I mean if we gonna devalue LBJ's titles than we need to devalue Kobe's, Shaq's, KG's, TD's rings as well.

[Ca$H]

I would like to use this as an opportunity to say that LeBron is a male prostitute.

[moe94]

Of course he is not. He needs to win at least 3 more without teaming up with more superstars. If he continues to win as his teammates age so that they are not that stacked anymore, his rings will finally have the actual value of a championship ring. But I know he's gonna bail on Miami and form another super stacked team which will be young enough to compete for 3-4 years.

From 2011


Lebron is talented, not skilled. The biggest skill he has tried to obtain was shooting, and he has improved in that regard, but it still disappears when it matters the most. So it was a nice try, I'll give him that, but mission not completed.

Other than that, he really did not improve on any of his skills; and mental strength, which seems to be his Achilles heel, is the hardest to work on, because there may not even be enough opportunities. Who can guarantee that they will make it back to the finals time and time again so Lebron can learn not to crumble under pressure? It's not really something that he can work on during regular season or early playoff series against inferior teams.

I see two ways of him getting a ring:

- Miami beats everyone easily because they have the most stacked team in the league, and Lebron would probably lead that charge, because he's a very good front runner.

or

- Wade, Bosh, and the rest come up bigger than they did last year, so even if Lebron stinks it up again, they still win, but Lebron doesn't get the FMVP award.

Either way, I will have zero respect for him.


My dude, what did LeBron do to your family? . :biggums:

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Oh , my bad bro, I didn't know Kobe didn't have an impact on the game in any of his FIVE rings.

Do you people even realize how delusional you sound?

:biggums:
I didnt say kobe had no impact, just less than the aforementioned players.
Man you are stupid.