Greatest Clutch Performer of All Time - Who do you got?

[Angel Face]

I vote for the guy on my avy. MJ

Yours?

[MrC1991]

Michael Jordan.

[JT123]

King James of course. Highest game 7 scoring average in NBA history! :rockon:

[JohnFreeman]

Jordan or Bird

[Deuce Bigalow]

Hey I was going to make this thread after the choker one :mad: :lol

This is between MJ and Jerry West.

[tpols]

Give me veteran Dirk

[Angel Face]

Hey I was going to make this thread after the choking one :mad: :lol

This is between MJ and Jerry West.

With all the choke talks due to Lebron's past performances, ISH has been surrounded by negative vibes. I thought of this thread to lessen the negativity and contribute to the Positive vibes of this board.

[DirkNowitzki07]

Kobe or Dirk

Give me either one over LeBronze or Durant

[Smook A.]

Mike

http://pic.wenwen.soso.com/p/20091026/20091026193944-1168915762.jpg

[Keno]

give me the greatest elimination player and game seven player in nba history.

[DMAVS41]

MJ

Honorable mention

Bird and Dirk

[sportjames23]

I vote for the guy on my avy. MJ

Yours?


Same as your, bruh. :cheers:

[mehyaM24]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/3-25-2014/rSkiCn.gif
http://y2u.be/DHSyfx6N-YA

[Angel Face]

Same as your, bruh. :cheers:

:cheers:

[Shabba Ranks]

With a name like angelface i'd figure OP prob just peeks at his sisters and mom thru the shower curtains and jacks it hard thinking about jordan.

[Le Shaqtus]

Gonna go with Larry Legend.

[jzek]

Who wouldn't answer Jordan?

Question should be who the SECOND clutch performer is and my vote goes to Bird.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe

[Angel Face]

With a name like angelface i'd figure OP prob just peeks at his sisters and mom thru the shower curtains and jacks it hard thinking about jordan.

Well I'm sorry to break it to you buddy. I got the name Angel Face from the character in Fight Club.

So who do you think is the greatest clutch performer of all time?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Larry Legend

[Shabba Ranks]

Well I'm sorry to break it to you buddy. I got the name Angel Face from the character in Fight Club.

So who do you think is the greatest clutch performer of all time?

Your sister ? :roll:

[Angel Face]

Your sister ? :roll:

My sister didn't play in the NBA.

[Shabba Ranks]

My sister didn't play in the NBA.


Your Mom ? :roll:

[Angel Face]

Your Mom ? :roll:

Location: Jamaica

That's why you don't do weeds before posting.

[bukowski81]

Gotta go with MJ

[Shabba Ranks]

Location: Jamaica

That's why you don't do weeds before posting.


21 and a virgin is no way to go thru life buddy :roll:


p.s... my name is really shabba and i live in jamaica and i'm 35

[Angel Face]

21 and a virgin is no way to go thru life buddy :roll:

:sleeping

[SHAQisGOAT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-Hf-3XvAyk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3lAuohZvnE

[Deuce Bigalow]

So we gonna act like Bird didn't lose SEVEN playoff series with HCA?

[Black Mamba's B]

Jordan, Bird, Kobe

[Shabba Ranks]

:sleeping


That's what no Pu ssy does to a lame bish, sleep all day dreaming about dat gash right ? :oldlol:

[Young X]

nadroJ leahciM

[SHAQisGOAT]

So we gonna act like Bird didn't lose SEVEN playoff series with HCA?

And won 24 :rolleyes: In probably the most stacked conference ever while facing the showtime Lakers in the Finals, plus he was the main reason they even got HCA to begin with.
When ranking clutch performances/performers let's just look at those 7 lost playoff series, though, without even putting it into context (he didn't even play all 4 games in 1983 for example) :rolleyes:

[Rose'sACL]

Larry Legend

[Angel Face]

That's what no Pu ssy does to a lame bish, sleep all day dreaming about dat gash right ? :oldlol:

A 35 y/o dude talking about his past experiences. You'll get one someday don't worry. Just keep on trying until you succeed

[Big#50]

MJ
Shaq
Duncan
Dirk
Lebron

[sd3035]

Jordan, Bird, Durant

/thread

[D.J.]

1)Jordan
2)Bird
3)Reggie Miller
4)Barkley/Duncan/Dirk

[Trollsmasher]

Since there is almost no empirical proof of Jordan's clutch domination apart from few cherry picked gamewinners on youtube, I'll have to go with LeGawd

[LAZERUSS]

Chamberlain.

Averaged 30-27-5-8 .515 FG% (in leagues that shot .420 on average in that span), in his first 67 post-season games...COMBINED.

A Wilt who put up post-season series, against RUSSELL, of .30-26 .500; 34-26 .468; 29-28 .517; 30-31 .555; 28-30 .509; and then a 22-32-10 .556 series in which he murdered Russell, and his team buried the eight-time defending champs.

And this...


The idiotic Bill Simmons claims that Wilt "shrunk" in the post-season, particularly in BIG games.

Had he actually done any real research into Wilt's post-season career, he would have found that Wilt averaged 27.0 ppg in his 35 "must-win" and/or clinching games. Meanwhile, his starting opposing centers averaged 14.5 ppg in those 35 games. He also outscored his opposing starting center in 29 of those 35 games, including a 19-0 edge in his first 19 games of those 35. Furthermore, in his 13 games which came in his "scoring" seasons (from 59-60 thru 65-66), Chamberlain averaged 37.3 ppg in those "do-or-die" or clinching games. And there were MANY games in which he just CRUSHED his opposing centers in those games (e.g. he outscored Kerr in one them, 53-7.)

Wilt had THREE of his four 50+ point post-season games, in these "elimination games", including two in "at the limit" games, and another against Russell in a "must-win" game. He also had games of 46-34 and 45-27 (and only 4 months removed from major knee surgery) in these types of games. In addition he had games of 39 and 38 in clinching wins.

In the known 19 games in which we have both Wilt's, and his starting opposing center's rebounding numbers, Chamberlain outrebounded them in 15 of them, and by an average margin of 26.1 rpg to 18.9 rpg. And, had we had all 35 of the totals, it would have been by a considerably larger margin. A conservative estimate would put Wilt with at least a 30-5 overall edge in those 35 games. He also had games, even against the likes of Russell, and in "must-win" situations, where he just MURDERED his opposing centers (e.g. he had one clinching game, against Russell, in which he outrebounded him by a 36-21 margin.)

And finally, in the known FG% games in which we have, Chamberlain not only shot an eye-popping .582 in those "do-or-die" games, but he held his opposing centers to a combined .413 FG%. BTW, he played against Kareem in two "clinching" games, and held Abdul-Jabbar to a combined .383 shooting in those two games (23-60), while Chamberlain, himself, shot .545 (18-33).

The bottom line, in the known games of the 35 that Wilt played in that involved a "must-win" or clincher, Wilt averaged 27 ppg, 26.1 rpg, and shot .582 (and the 27 ppg figure was known for all 35 of those games.)

And once again, Chamberlain played in 11 games which went to the series limit (nine game seven's, one game five of a best-of-five series, and one game three of a best-of-three series), and all he did was average 29.9 ppg (outscoring his opposing center by a 29.9 ppg to 9.8 ppg margin in the process), with 26.7 rpg, and on .581 shooting. Or he was an eye-lash away from averaging a 30-27 game, and on nearly .600 shooting, in those 11 "at the limit" games.


Oh, and BTW, Chamberlain's TEAMs went 24-11 in those 35 games, too.

That was the same player that Simmons basically labeled a "loser", and a "choker", and who "shrunk" in his BIG games.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Jordan. I don't get how Kobe is even being brought up for this

[sportjames23]

Since there is almost no empirical proof of Jordan's clutch domination apart from few cherry picked gamewinners on youtube, I'll have to go with LeGawd


Son, don't bask in your stupidity.

[LAZERUSS]

Jordan. I don't get how Kobe is even being brought up for this

Jordan certainly has a case...but how about Kobe in his Finals?


99-00
Regular season 22.5 ppg .468 FG%
Finals 15.6 ppg .367 FG%
Last Game of Series .296 FG%

00-01
Regular season 28.5 ppg .464 FG%
Finals 24.6 ppg .415 FG%
Last Game of Series .389 FG%

01-02
Regular season 25.2 ppg .469
Finals 26.8 ppg .514 FG%
Last Game of Series .438 FG%

03-04
Regular season 24.0 ppg .438 FG%
Finals 22.6 ppg .381 FG%
Last Game of Series .333 FG%

07-08
Regular season 28.3 ppg .459 FG%
Finals 25.7 ppg .405 FG%
Last Game of Series .318 FG%

08-09
Regular season 26.8 ppg .467 FG%
Finals 32.4 ppg .430 FG%
Last Game of Series .435 FG%

09-10
Regular season 27.0 ppg .456 FG%
Finals 28.6 ppg .405 FG%
Last Game of Series .250 FG%


Other noteables:


97-98
Swept by Utah 4-0.
Kobe averages 10.0 ppg on a .367 FG%

98-99
Swept by San Antonio 4-0
Last game of the series : Kobe 16 points on a .438 FG%

02-03
Lose to Spurs in WCF's, 4-2.
Last game loss by a score of 110-82 (Kobe with 20 points in a season in which he averaged 30 ppg)

03-04 Finals
Heavily favored Lakers lose to Pistons, 4-1.
In the clinching game five loss Kobe shoots .333 in a 100-87 loss (and LA was down 23 going into 4th quarter)

04-05
Team goes 34-48 and misses playoffs

05-06
Regular season 35.4 ppg .450
Playoffs 27.9 ppg .497
Last game (7) 24 points in a 121-90 loss (after blowing a 3-1 series lead)

06-07
Team goes 42-40
Loses in first round to Suns, 4-1.
Last game of that series, Kobe shoots .394 from the floor

07-08
Lakers are blown out by Celts in Finals.
In game four the Lakers blow a 23 point lead, and lose, in a game in which Kobe shot .316 from the field.
In the clinching game six loss, the Lakers lose by a Finals record margin of 131-92. Kobe shoots .318 from the floor.

10-11
Lakers with HCA are swept by the Mavs, 4-0.
In the clinching game four loss, LA loses 122-86. Kobe shoots .389 from the field.





Is that considered "clutch" on ISH?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Jordan certainly has a case...but how about Kobe in his Finals?



Is that considered "clutch" on ISH?
6-24:facepalm

[BIZARRO]

MJ.

Then Bird and Magic.

[Harison]

Bird or MJ.

[RIP CITY]

Michael Jordan. LOL @ Dirk's name coming up, he was clutch for 1 Playoff run that resulted in a Championship, all credit due it was a good run. But he doesn't belong in this thread, he's still had far more failures to come up clutch than successful moments. Bird, Kobe, West are up there too. Plus lesser players like Derek Fisher and Robert Horry (as much as I hate both, not many guys have had more clutch shots than them).

[riseagainst]

easily MJ and not even close.

[Uncle Drew]

The guy whose nickname is ''Mr. Clutch''.

[Asukal]

Jordan, Bird, Russell. :applause:

EDIT: Add West.

[MMM]

no mention of West until the post above
no mention of Hondo
or Sam Jones
:biggums:

[annbafan]

no matter whether it's first quarter, the end of the first half or late in the fourth, if my team needs a score i'd not give the ball to anyone but Michael Jordan.

[Fazotronic]

Michael Jordan. LOL @ Dirk's name coming up, he was clutch for 1 Playoff run that resulted in a Championship, all credit due it was a good run. But he doesn't belong in this thread, he's still had far more failures to come up clutch than successful moments. Bird, Kobe, West are up there too. Plus lesser players like Derek Fisher and Robert Horry (as much as I hate both, not many guys have had more clutch shots than them).

besides jordan every player had clutch failures. bird had 8 point finals game and many not so great years. besides 07 dirk has always been clutch not only in 11 dumbass.

back to topic.

MJ,
Bird,
Dirk,
Reggie/Kobe/west

[necya]

West, Bird & Mj

[Foster5k]

Michael Jordan.
/thread

[TheMan]

King James of course. Highest game 7 scoring average in NBA history! :rockon:
Jordan is like "what's a GM 7"?:lol

Jordan
Bird
Magic

[SHAQisGOAT]

King James of course. Highest game 7 scoring average in NBA history! :rockon:

Don't know if that's true but ain't contesting it... Still "only" a 3-2 record, even with that ppg average it still ain't holding much, for example, against Bird's 8-2 record in game7's, averaging 27.0/9.3/6.8 apg on 49.7 %FG/59.4 %TS.. and that's considering injured years and not taking into account elimination game5's (best out of 5 1st round before) because it's even better.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

Mj, bird, west.
:facepalm at any kobe mentions, you clowns are the victims of media hysteria, think for yourselves.

[Dro]

Jeffery.......

[diamenz]

phil jackson. :D

[-23-]

Wilt Chamberlain.
is a *******

[ArbitraryWater]

Dirk x2

[OldSchoolBBall]

This is clearly Jordan, then Bird imo. Never mind the playoff game winners, where MJ is at like 50+% FG as compared to Kobe (25%) and Lebron (35-40%), check the playoff clutch stats for Jordan's prime compiled by ISH poster PHILA as compared to Kobe or Lebron's:

Per 48 Statistics, in 82games.com format for crunch time, defined as 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points:


Michael Jordan 1990-1992


http://i.imgur.com/gJE1PLb.png




Kobe Bryant 2006-2009


http://i.imgur.com/kgL9kjs.png





LeBron James 2009-2013

*Not including 2011 Playoffs

http://i.imgur.com/Mms9Eoe.png

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

^literally burst out laughing at that chart. The disparity between MJ and Kobe/LeBron is unreal :oldlol:

[La Frescobaldi]

Hey I was going to make this thread after the choker one :mad: :lol

This is between MJ and Jerry West.

Lots of great names on this thread, and these two along with Bird seem to be getting the votes.

But the answer is Sam Jones.... by far

[Just2McFly]

1)Jordan
2)Bird
3)Reggie Miller
4)Barkley/Duncan/Dirk
Why?

I don't see why anyone in the world would have him above Kobe/Wade/Lebron/Allen/Barkley/Duncan/Dirk and ESPECIALLY MELO.

I want to you state your case because I think this is getting out of hand.

[Legends66NBA7]

Why?

I don't see why anyone in the world would have him above Kobe/Wade/Lebron/Allen/Barkley/Duncan/Dirk and ESPECIALLY MELO.

I want to you state your case because I think this is getting out of hand.

I'd say Miller is on the same level as Melo if were taking their clutch scenarios resulting to success.

OT: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330379 Post here man, need more support. Been too long. :D

[LAZERUSS]

Lots of great names on this thread, and these two along with Bird seem to be getting the votes.

But the answer is Sam Jones.... by far

Without looking it up, I believe Russell is on record as saying that EIGHT times the Celtics put the ball in Sam's hands in a do-or-die situation (where their post-season was on the line), and he delivered in ALL eight.

Russell, for all of his greatness, had Jones and Hondo consistently coming up big in his entire post-season career.

[Angel Face]

This is clearly Jordan, then Bird imo. Never mind the playoff game winners, where MJ is at like 50+% FG as compared to Kobe (25%) and Lebron (35-40%), check the playoff clutch stats for Jordan's prime compiled by ISH poster PHILA as compared to Kobe or Lebron's:

Per 48 Statistics, in 82games.com format for crunch time, defined as 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points:


Michael Jordan 1990-1992


http://i.imgur.com/gJE1PLb.png




Kobe Bryant 2006-2009


http://i.imgur.com/kgL9kjs.png





LeBron James 2009-2013

*Not including 2011 Playoffs

http://i.imgur.com/Mms9Eoe.png

Good post. It just show how MJ is light years ahead of Kobe and Lebron. GOAT gonna GOAT.

[LAZERUSS]

"Big Game James" Worthy, who raised his regular season numbers in the playoffs, and then even moreso in his Finals.

And no mention of Magic? How about game six of the Finals in his rookie season, and with his best teammate watching the game from his couch?