#2 NBA Defender Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Brizzly]

KG is the best according to us all!


http://www.bostonsbettah.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/kevin-garnett.jpeg

1. Kevin Garnett (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330258)

Who is the second best defender ever?

My vote goes to Tim Duncan.

[livinglegend]

Michael Beasley

[The-Legend-24]

Kobe.

[IncarceratedBob]

Kobe

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Hakeem

[Brizzly]

Wow. That's terrible. You should stop making these if people are gonna continue to host an abomination to the game of basketball.

Dwight Howard was better on defense than KG.

I am considering it because trolls are coting on the likes of Michael Beas and other. KG won over Tim and Bill Russell but only by one vote.

KG was all around probably the best ever nothing wrong with that pick.

[BuffaloBill]

Patty Mills

[Rocketswin2013]

I am considering it because trolls are coting on the likes of Michael Beas and other. KG won over Tim and Bill Russell but only by one vote.

KG was all around probably the best ever nothing wrong with that pick.
:cheers: At least some legit candidates are involved.

[sammichoffate]

MJ should be #1 doe :biggums:

[livinglegend]

MJ should be #1 doe :biggums:
He was the third best defender on his team.:facepalm

[Rose'sACL]

Pippen
Rodman



Wow! those bulls were so stacked.

[ABfor3]

Bill Russel

[Brizzly]

:cheers: At least some legit candidates are involved.

Here is the results btw!


seven votes

Kevin Garnett

Six votes

Bill Russell

Five votes

Tim Duncan


Three votes
Dwight Howard
Dennis Rodman

Two votes

Scottie Pippen

One vote
Ben Wallace
Hakeem Olajuwon
Patty Mills
David Robinson
Marc Gasol
Pat Beverly
Rasheed Wallace
Luch Richard Mbah a Moute
Ruben Patterson
Michael Jordan
Kobe Bryant
Mutombo
LeBron James[/CENTER]

[Killbot]

Between Hakeem and Russell for me. I'd go Bill Russell

[sammichoffate]

He was the third best defender on his team.:facepalm:oldlol:

[sd3035]

KG is a skinny wimp, he gets abused in the post. He's like a black Shawn Bradley

[sammichoffate]

Kareem is an underrated defender :confusedshrug:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Kareem is an underrated defender :confusedshrug:
So what he has no business being in #2 :lol :lol Not even top 10 for his position defensively:no: :no:
I rank Kareem overall as GOAT BTW

[Big#50]

Duncan
Pippen
Robinson
Hakeem
Bowen
In that order.

[Yankstar]

Kobe Bryant

[Harison]

Russell (I have him as a GOAT defender)

[russwest0]

Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

[christian1923]

Kobe

[aboss4real24]

Ewing

[kaiteng]

Bill Russell.

Because he was better than KG.

[LAZERUSS]

Russell was the greatest, and Chamberlain was #2.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/dws_season.html

And keep in mind that Wilt was voted first team all-defense in his last two seasons, and would have won a couple more in the 60's has the award existed.

The same Wilt who outshot Russell from the field in every one of their eight H2H series, and some by margins of .500 - .399, .517 - .386, .555 to .447; and even .556 to .358.

The same Chamberlain who battled Nate Thurmond in three playoff series, and outshot him by margins of .500 to .392; .611 to .373, and a Finals of .560 to .343.

Or Walt Bellamy shooting .541 in his regular season, and then being outscored, outrebounded, and outshot from the field by a .584 to .421 margin, by Chamberlain in the '68 playoffs.

Or Kareem shooting .577 and .574 in his '71 and '72 regular seasons, and then shooting .481 and .457 against Wilt in his two post-seasons.

Or Chamberlain averaging 5.42 bpg in his last season (and certainly by far, the lowest of his career.) A Wilt who blocked a known 33 shots in just four games against Kareem's Bucks in '72, 15 of which were Kareem's. And then Chamberlain averaged 7.4 bpg in the Finals that year.

Or Wilt having a RECORDED game of 23 blocked shots, and several other games of estimated block totals of 25-30+. And having educated estimates of 10+ bpg seasons.

And just crushing Russell in blocked shots in their known H2H games.

Russell, then Wilt, and then arguably Nate Thurmond (just ask Kareem about Nate.)

[Brizzly]

Not a lot of seriousness in this thread, I think we'll wrap this shit up. Thought we could make something fun.

But can't be done:(

Great post Laz and to all who took this with a little bit of seriousness.

[LAZERUSS]

Aside from Deuce's take on Russell (and using Fpliii's information BTW), I am the only one here who has actually backed up his claims.

[Brizzly]

Russell was the greatest, and Chamberlain was #2.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/dws_season.html

And keep in mind that Wilt was voted first team all-defense in his last two seasons, and would have won a couple more in the 60's has the award existed.

The same Wilt who outshot Russell from the field in every one of their eight H2H series, and some by margins of .500 - .399, .517 - .386, .555 to .447; and even .556 to .358.

The same Chamberlain who battled Nate Thurmond in three playoff series, and outshot him by margins of .500 to .392; .611 to .373, and a Finals of .560 to .343.

Or Walt Bellamy shooting .541 in his regular season, and then being outscored, outrebounded, and outshot from the field by a .584 to .421 margin, by Chamberlain in the '68 playoffs.

Or Kareem shooting .577 and .574 in his '71 and '72 regular seasons, and then shooting .481 and .457 against Wilt in his two post-seasons.

Or Chamberlain averaging 5.42 bpg in his last season (and certainly by far, the lowest of his career.) A Wilt who blocked a known 33 shots in just four games against Kareem's Bucks in '72, 15 of which were Kareem's. And then Chamberlain averaged 7.4 bpg in the Finals that year.

Or Wilt having a RECORDED game of 23 blocked shots, and several other games of estimated block totals of 25-30+. And having educated estimates of 10+ bpg seasons.

And just crushing Russell in blocked shots in their known H2H games.

Russell, then Wilt, and then arguably Nate Thurmond (just ask Kareem about Nate.)


Good post but never seen any real footage from them myself and they all played long time ago.

Who would you say is the best defender in modern NBA?

If you have time do this.

Best post defender
Best help defender
Best perm defender

And best all around defender.

[IncarceratedBob]

Not a lot of seriousness in this thread, I think we'll wrap this shit up. Thought we could make something fun.

But can't be done:(

Great post Laz and to all who took this with a little bit of seriousness.
Don't allow troll votes, seriously KG at the GOAT defender? :oldlol: He was above average at his best.

Obviously Russ is the consensus defensive GOAT on here, just look at the quality of posters who voted for him vs those who voted for KG.

The effort is appreciated buddy.:cheers:

[MrC1991]

Dennis Rodman...but KG number 1 for real? thats crazy.

[The-Legend-24]

:oldlol: @ Bill Russell, put Steve Nash in that era, and he's considered the goat defender.

[BIZARRO]

Wilt.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Sheed.

[LAZERUSS]

:oldlol: @ Bill Russell, put Steve Nash in that era, and he's considered the goat defender.

Interesting...

Russell was considered the best defensive player of his era, which included Nate Thurmond. Thurmond faced a peak Kareem in 40 H2H games, and KAJ posted a total of FIVE games of 30+, with a HIGH game of 34 points. Not only that, but Kareem shot .440 against Nate in those 40 games. This from a KAJ who was averaging over 30 ppg and shooting over .550 from the field in those seasons.

And yet a 38-39 year old KAJ, who couldn't jump over a matchstick, averaged 32 ppg, on .621 shooting, in ten straight games against Hakeem. Included were THREE games of 40+ (40, 43, and 46 and in only 37 minutes.) Hell, a 37-41 year old KAJ, and against a 23-26 year old Hakeem, outscored Olajuwon in their 23 H2H games, and outshot him from the field by a .607 to .512 margin. Oh, and Kareem only had three games, in those 23 H2H's, in which he failed to shoot at least 50%, with 12 games of .600+, and five of 70% shooting!

Do you think KAJ would be a crappy player in today's NBA? If you do, how about Hakeem, then?

[Milbuck]

James Harden

[Black Mamba's B]

Dark horse Eddie Jones

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Dennis Rodman...but KG number 1 for real? thats crazy.
Not as crazy as u think Rodman is a better defender than KG:lol :lol

Im the only one who voted for Hakeem:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm nikkas really saying MJ and Pippen are better defenders WTF:facepalm :facepalm

[tgan3]

Ben Wallace, he has the resume.

4

[DMV2]

He was the third best defender on his team.:facepalm
Dumbfck, Jordan was better than Pippen on D, on O, on everything.

[Psileas]

Not a lot of seriousness in this thread, I think we'll wrap this shit up. Thought we could make something fun.

But can't be done:(

Great post Laz and to all who took this with a little bit of seriousness.

Υοur first thread didn't exactly reek of seriousness, either. You should have required some minimum amount of effort (=explanation) behind each choice.

[SHAQisGOAT]

:biggums:
Bill Russell didn't get 1st? :facepalm :facepalm Celtics were always clearly the best defensive team with him except once I believe, not even close before or after, all the reports/quotes, always impressive to see him play defense, very athletic, great fundamentals, really smart... Lots of ignorant people around here, I guess.

Well, I would vote for Hakeem at #2 but since Russell wasn't 1st he gets my vote.

[trabash]

Hmm... Dennis Rodman

[LAZERUSS]

Good post but never seen any real footage from them myself and they all played long time ago.

Who would you say is the best defender in modern NBA?

If you have time do this.

Best post defender
Best help defender
Best perm defender

And best all around defender.

I would say that Bruce Bowen, or perhaps Michael Cooper, were the two greatest perimeter defenders that I witnessed.

As for centers, Russell defense covered the most area, and he was a great "help" defender, as well.

Duncan is probably one of the greatest "help" defensive centers (yes, he was almost always playing center on defense.)

Thurmond was arguably the greatest "one-on-one" defensive center (although Chamberlain reduced his opposing centers nearly as much.)

And Chamberlain was, without question, the greatest post defensive player in NBA history. Watch CavsFan's "block party" footage when you get a chance. He was blocking nearly everything at the hoop. In fact, he was clearly the greatest shot-blocker of all-time, ...which was amazing considering his reputation. Every team in the league knew that he would eat up anything in the lane, and yet, he was still blocking 8-10 shots per game nearly his entire career.

[coin24]

Rodman

[Genaro]

Kobe Bryant

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe

[Deuce Bigalow]

Need to mention Nate Thurmond. He held prime Kareem to 22.8 ppg on 23.0 FGA, 42.8%FG, 44.7%TS in their '73 playoff series matchup which his team upset the Bucks in 6 games. Kareem had one of his best regular seasons that year with 30/16/5 on 55FG% but Nate locked him down to probably his worst playoff series ever during his prime.

[Legends66NBA7]

Need to mention Nate Thurmond. He held prime Kareem to 22.8 ppg on 23.0 FGA, 42.8%FG, 44.7%TS in their '73 playoff series matchup which his team upset the Bucks in 6 games. Kareem had one of his best regular seasons that year with 30/16/5 on 55FG% but Nate locked him down to probably his worst playoff series ever during his prime.

Nate would be #2 after Russell #1, IMO.

[LAZERUSS]

Need to mention Nate Thurmond. He held prime Kareem to 22.8 ppg on 23.0 FGA, 42.8%FG, 44.7%TS in their '73 playoff series matchup which his team upset the Bucks in 6 games. Kareem had one of his best regular seasons that year with 30/16/5 on 55FG% but Nate locked him down to probably his worst playoff series ever during his prime.

And how about their '72 playoff matchup? Kareem had a season in which he averaged 34.8 ppg on .574 shooting. In the first round against Nate... 22.8 ppg on a ... get this... .405 FG%. Not only that, but Thurmond OUTSCORED Kareem in that series, 25.4 ppg to 22.8 ppg, and outshot him by a .437 to .405 margin.

[Deuce Bigalow]

And how about their '72 playoff matchup? Kareem had a season in which he averaged 34.8 ppg on .574 shooting. In the first round against Nate... 22.8 ppg on a ... get this... .405 FG%. Not only that, but Thurmond OUTSCORED Kareem in that series, 25.4 ppg to 22.8 ppg, and outshot him by a .437 to .405 margin.
Damn Kareem has two huge chokes. Wilting come playoff time... And I hear that "he's underrated here" :oldlol: when he is always ranked #2 alltime.

[LAZERUSS]

Damn Kareem has two huge chokes. Wilting come playoff time... And I hear that "he's underrated here" :oldlol: when he is always ranked #2 alltime.

In that same '72 post-season, and against an old Chamberlain, he shot .457 from the field. And in the last four games of that series, three of which were Laker wins, he shot a combined .414.

You want more?

In the first round of the '81 playoffs, his 54-28 Lakers were beaten by Moses' 40-42 Rockets, in a series in which Moses easily outscored him, and held him to a .462 FG% (in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .473.)

Then, two years later, Moses just slaughtered him in a series in which Malone outscored him by a solid margin, and outrebounded him by over 10 per game.

And in the '84 Finals, Kareem shot .481 from the field in a seven game loss, in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .487.

[Deuce Bigalow]

In that same '72 post-season, and against an old Chamberlain, he shot .457 from the field. And in the last four games of that series, three of which were Laker wins, he shot a combined .414.

You want more?

In the first round of the '81 playoffs, his 54-28 Lakers were beaten by Moses' 40-42 Rockets, in a series in which Moses easily outscored him, and held him to a .462 FG% (in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .473.)

Then, two years later, Moses just slaughtered him in a series in which Malone outscored him by a solid margin, and outrebounded him by over 10 per game.

And in the '84 Finals, Kareem shot .481 from the field in a seven game loss, in a post-season NBA that shot an eFG% of .487.
Magic>Kareem? What do you think? I have Magic and Bird ahead of Kareem.

[Gifted Mind]

I hate to be brutally honest but any list that does not place Russell #1 should be discarded. From a historical perspective:


1. Bill Russell













2. Anyone else

[LAZERUSS]

Magic>Kareem? What do you think? I have Magic and Bird ahead of Kareem.

Wilt, MJ, Russell, and Magic...

[Deuce Bigalow]

What are he results so far OP? You still doing a top 10?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Wilt, MJ, Russell, and Magic...
Minus Wilt I have the top 3 in that order with Kareem 5th.

[Yankstar]

Kobe, most all all defensive teams of any player. Period. :bowdown: