no thread about the player of the decade(2000s) big game?

[Keno]

twenty nine points - thirteen rebounds - five assists for the thirty eight year old tim duncan, still going strong. it's rare seeing players with such longevity now a days, still dominating today's league.

also have to give him respect for staying healthy all through these dreadful years. no knee injuries, no ankle sprains, healthy achilles tendon still intact. respect to the best player of the 2000s. what's crazy about this is in 2007 duncan said to lebron "this is going to be your league in a little while", and it came true. the best player since 2000 passing the torch to lebron who's been the best since 2007.

side note: a shout out to the players that were drafted in the 90's and still going strong today: tim duncan, ray allen, dirk, jermaine o'neal. crazy longevity.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe didn't play today.

[Keno]

Kobe didn't play today.

kobe stans always have to bring kobe into a discussion that has nothing to do with him. kobetards never cease to amaze me.

[IncarceratedBob]

Shaq was the real player of the 2000's.


MDE.

[Castor Troy]

how many players drafted in the 90s still play? PS I love Timmy!

[Keno]

how many players drafted in the 90s still play? PS I love Timmy!
very few, that's for sure.

[russwest0]

Kobe was the player of the 2000s (5 rings) but the way Duncan is beasting like this at age 37 does deserve its own thread

[T_L_P]

Kobe was the player of the 2000s (5 rings) but the way Duncan is beasting like this at age 37 does deserve its own thread

What is your top 5-10 for player of the 2000s?

[Legends66NBA7]

There was:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=330152

If people weren't trolling so much after the Heat/Pacers game (where there were 20+ locked threads) this thread would have been accessible and there was still amount of trolling going on in that one.

[russwest0]

What is your top 5-10 for player of the 2000s?

Just sort it by whichever star player won the most rings during that time, in descending order

[T_L_P]

Just sort it by whichever star player won the most rings during that time, in descending order

Was Kobe really star in 2000 though?

[Legends66NBA7]

What is your top 5-10 for player of the 2000s?

Not that you asked me, but here's mine (no order):

Tim Duncan
Kobe Bryant
Kevin Garnett
Shaquille O'Neal
Dirk Nowitzki
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Allen Iverson
Jason Kidd
Steve Nash

Honorable mentions: Tracy McGrady, Ben Wallace, Ray Allen, Vince Carter, Paul Pierce

[russwest0]

Was Kobe really star in 2000 though?

Yes.

[Mr. Jabbar]

1-kobe











2-shaq
3-duncan
4-garnett




any other decade-rank reeks of agenda

[T_L_P]

1-kobe











2-shaq
3-duncan
4-garnett




any other decade-rank reeks of agenda

Shaq: 4 rings, 3 FMVP
Kobe: 4 rings, 1 FMVP


No agenda in that.

[rmt]

twenty nine points - thirteen rebounds - five assists for the thirty eight year old tim duncan, still going strong. it's rare seeing players with such longevity now a days, still dominating today's league.

also have to give him respect for staying healthy all through these dreadful years. no knee injuries, no ankle sprains, healthy achilles tendon still intact. respect to the best player of the 2000s. what's crazy about this is in 2007 duncan said to lebron "this is going to be your league in a little while", and it came true. the best player since 2000 passing the torch to lebron who's been the best since 2007.

side note: a shout out to the players that were drafted in the 90's and still going strong today: tim duncan, ray allen, dirk, jermaine o'neal. crazy longevity.

Surely you're forgetting his knee surgery in 00, his 2 sprained ankles in 05 (right before playoffs and during DEN series), his plantar fasciitis in 06?

From Shaq's book:

"I ran into Gregg Popovich in the bathroom in the spring of the 2010

[Artillery]

Kobe didn't play today.

Thread clearly says "player of the decade" not "sidekick of the decade".

[russwest0]

Thread clearly says "player of the decade" not "sidekick of the decade".

LeBron didn't play today either.

[Artillery]

Surely you're forgetting his knee surgery in 00, his 2 sprained ankles in 05 (right before playoffs and during DEN series), his plantar fasciitis in 06?

From Shaq's book:

"I ran into Gregg Popovich in the bathroom in the spring of the 2010–11 season, and I asked how Timmy was doing, and Pop said, “His knee is bone on bone.”

That's why he wears a knee brace.

TD has had plenty of injuries - Difference is he doesn't cry about them like Kobe and make a media spectacle about it in order to build a fake "warrior" image.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Thread clearly says "player of the decade" not "sidekick of the decade".
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html

[Artillery]

LeBron didn't play today either.

Lebron won all his championships as the number 1 option. Kobe was a sidekick for the majority of his championships

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lebron won all his championships as the number 1 option. Kobe was a sidekick for the majority of his championships
Lebron had a chance to win as a sidekick in 2011 but disapeared in the Finals.

Wade in the 2011 Finals: 27-7-5 w/ 1.5 bpg on 56FG/61TS
First 4 games of the series: 30-8-4 w/ 1.5 bpg on 59FG/64TS

[Artillery]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html

Boiled down though?

Duncan: 3 Finals MVPs
Shaq: 3 Finals MVPs

Kobe: 2 Finals MVPs

[Artillery]

Lebron had a chance to win as a sidekick in 2011 but disapeared in the Finals.

Wade in the 2011 Finals: 27-7-5 w/ 1.5 bpg on 56FG/61TS
First 4 games of the series: 30-8-4 w/ 1.5 bpg on 59FG/64TS

Boiled down though?

Lebron: 100% of championships as the number 1 option
Kobe: 40% of championships as the number 1 option

[ThePhantomCreep]

LeBron needs two superstars in their primes to win rings.

Kobe? Gasol and Odom will do.

[russwest0]

LeBron needs two superstars in their primes to win rings.

Kobe? Gasol and Odom will do.

/thread

(and yes, that just ended the thread about Duncan or some shit)

[aboss4real24]

PLAYER Of the decade ?

wait up did LB Play tonight ?

and ik kobe been out the whole yr right?


guess it mustv been a typo

[Deuce Bigalow]

Boiled down though?

Lebron: 100% of championships as the number 1 option
Kobe: 40% of championships as the number 1 option
That doesn't even make sense because you're rewarding Lebron for losing in 2011 :lol

Your boiled down % would be lower if he was a good enough sidekick in the 2011 Finals for Miami to win.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Boiled down though?

Duncan: 3 Finals MVPs
Shaq: 3 Finals MVPs

Kobe: 2 Finals MVPs
That's not boiled down though.

[Artillery]

That's not boiled down though.

You're right. After this season it will be:

Lebron: 3 Finals MVPs
Duncan: 3 Finals MVPs
Shaq: 3 Finals MVPs

Kobe: 2 Finals MVPs

Sidekickbe bowing down to the three best players since MJ :applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

You're right. After this season it will be:

Lebron: 3 Finals MVPs
Duncan: 3 Finals MVPs
Shaq: 3 Finals MVPs

Kobe: 2 Finals MVPs

Sidekickbe bowing down to the three best players since MJ :applause:
Funny because Bran's teammate called Kobe the greatest player of our generation.

And you're still doing it wrong let me help you.

Kobe: 5
Shaq: 4
Duncan: 4
Bran: 2

[Artillery]

Funny because Bran's teammate called Kobe the greatest player of our generation.

And you're still doing it wrong let me help you.

Kobe: 5
Shaq: 4
Duncan: 4
Bran: 2

You have Kobe on the wrong list. Here's the correct one:

Pippen: 6
Kobe: 3
Wade: 2
Gasol: 2

[MMM]

how many players drafted in the 90s still play? PS I love Timmy!

95 Garnett
96 Allen, Kobe, JO, Nash
97 Duncan,
98 Nowitzki, Pierce
99 Brand, Andre Miller, Terry, Manu

Was Mike Miller drafted in 99 or 00

I'm pretty sure i'm missing one or two role players

Hill. Kidd, Camby were active last season but aren't this season
Tony Battie retired the season before, was also LO last active season if IIRC.

[Perfect]

95 Garnett
96 Allen, Kobe, JO, Nash
97 Duncan,
98 Nowitzki, Pierce
99 Brand, Andre Miller, Terry, Manu

Was Mike Miller drafted in 99 or 00

I'm pretty sure i'm missing one or two role players

Hill. Kidd, Camby were active last season but aren't this season
Tony Battie retired the season before, was also LO last active season if IIRC.

Grandpa Derek Fisher

[MMM]

Grandpa Derek Fisher

damn don't even know which draft he was taken

[The-Legend-24]

Duncan: Less rings, never won back2back titles (Kobe went to the finals 3 straight years on 2 different occasions, 3 peated, and won back2back the other) or been to consecutive finals in his career, was a role on his team for years yet they still won 60+ games. :oldlol: and gets completely shitted on by Kobe in the playoffs.

Yea, player of the decade all right. :roll:

[The-Legend-24]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html
:oldlol: :oldlol:

Kobe owns this nikkas soul in the playoffs.

[T_L_P]

Duncan: Less rings, never won back2back titles (Kobe went to the finals 3 straight years on 2 different occasions, 3 peated, and won back2back the other) or been to consecutive finals in his career, was a role on his team for years yet they still won 60+ games. :oldlol: and gets completely shitted on by Kobe in the playoffs.

Yea, player of the decade all right. :roll:

As if winning back to back has any real meaning.

Surely on the flip side I could just say Kobe could only win in clusters when he had the best player in the league or the best front-court in the league?

Regular Season is very different to the Playoffs. Tell me, how successful has Duncan's team been since his decline?

Also, the fact that Duncan managed to beat the Kobe/Shaq Lakers even once, let alone twice, is amazing. I'd love to see Kobe beat a team with Shaq and Duncan on it :oldlol:

Also, here are Kobe's vs Duncan's stats in the Playoffs:

Kobe: 28.2 PPG / 5.9 RPG / 4.7 APG / 1.4 SPG / 0.3 BPG
Duncan: 25.2 PPG / 13.6 PPG / 4.2 APG / 0.9 SPG / 2.4 BPG

He hardly owns his soul.

[Yankstar]

As if winning back to back has any real meaning.

:facepalm

Dominance? Mj's 2 3peats? Russels 8peat? Kobes 3peat and repeat?

Back to back no meaning :roll:

[T_L_P]

:facepalm

Dominance? Mj's 2 3peats? Russels 8peat? Kobes 3peat and repeat?

Back to back no meaning :roll:

Winning 5 straight then losing 5 straight, ultimately, means the exact same as winning one every other year for 10 years.

Bird never repeated, after all. I guess he wasn't dominant :rolleyes:

[MMM]

:facepalm

Dominance? Mj's 2 3peats? Russels 8peat? Kobes 3peat and repeat?

Back to back no meaning :roll:

Kobe is a great player but he was never really dominant.
Unfortunately for him his dominant years were on some terrible teams. He was really good in the first 3 peat but the dominance was mainly Shaq.

Duncan from 02-07 is a better run than any Kobe could come up with imo. Which is why I feels he should be a notch ahead of Kobe as player of the decade and all time.

[Yankstar]

Kobe is a great player but he was never really dominant.
Unfortunately for him his dominant years were on some terrible teams. He was really good in the first 3 peat but the dominance was mainly Shaq.

Duncan from 02-07 is a better run than any Kobe could come up with imo. Which is why I feels he should be a notch ahead of Kobe as player of the decade and all time.

Between the Shaq and gasol years Kobe had the same problem as pre Celtics KG. A S**ty team. If Kobe and Duncan switched places I would say he could of dominated the 2004-2008 period with at least 2 rings, same with KG. Duncan to an extent was a product of his circumstances (same with Kobe, but Kobe managed to leave the shadow of Shaq while TD never left Manu, Pop and parker.

[T_L_P]

Between the Shaq and gasol years Kobe had the same problem as pre Celtics KG. A S**ty team. If Kobe and Duncan switched places I would say he could of dominated the 2004-2008 period with at least 2 rings, same with KG. Duncan to an extent was a product of his circumstances (same with Kobe, but Kobe managed to leave the shadow of Shaq while KD never left Manu, Pop and parker.

Duncan has won with different cores and different teams though ('99 to '05 was Duncan's most dominant stretch).

And then there's '03. It was Duncan, Duncan and Pop. TP and Manu were pretty much nobodies. Kobe, Garnett, Shaq. None of them are winning it all with that team. Simple as.

[MMM]

Between the Shaq and gasol years Kobe had the same problem as pre Celtics KG. A S**ty team. If Kobe and Duncan switched places I would say he could of dominated the 2004-2008 period with at least 2 rings, same with KG. Duncan to an extent was a product of his circumstances (same with Kobe, but Kobe managed to leave the shadow of Shaq while TD never left Manu, Pop and parker.

TD never had to leave the shadow because he was the one casting it. The Spurs built everything around him and his presence. Can't see many players being the cornerstone to success as much as Duncan has been with the Spurs. They are the greatest winning organization in Sports going back to the mid 90s. Which coincides largely with Duncan's era.

[rmt]

Between the Shaq and gasol years Kobe had the same problem as pre Celtics KG. A S**ty team. If Kobe and Duncan switched places I would say he could of dominated the 2004-2008 period with at least 2 rings, same with KG. Duncan to an extent was a product of his circumstances (same with Kobe, but Kobe managed to leave the shadow of Shaq while TD never left Manu, Pop and parker.

2003 Playoffs

Duncan 24.7 pts / 15.4 rebs / 5.3 assts / 3.3 blks 52.9%
Parker 14.7 pts / 2.8 rebs / 3.5 assts / 0.9 stl 40.3%
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 rebs / 2.9 assts / 1.7 stl 38.6%

1999 - no Parker or Manu

Guess Duncan was in the shadow of Parker and Manu.

The truth is:

Duncan - 4 rings as the man
Kobe - 2 rings as the man

[HOoopCityJones]

Duncan can drop 15 and 10 at 37, he must be the GOAT!!!!

It's so funny because before Kobe went down Spurs fans and Duncan stans were dead quiet as far as longevity is concerned , while Kobe was still putting up Superstar numbers, Duncan is being stoked off for putting up what the Cavs wish Anthony Bennett would put up in his rookie season.

If this was any other Superstar doing this it'd be viewed as a slight instead of an accomplishment.

[Big#50]

Duncan can drop 15 and 10 at 37, he must be the GOAT!!!!

It's so funny because before Kobe went down Spurs fans and Duncan stans were dead quiet as far as longevity is concerned , while Kobe was still putting up Superstar numbers, Duncan is being stoked off for putting up what the Cavs wish Anthony Bennett would put up in his rookie season.

If this was any other Superstar doing this it'd be viewed as a slight instead of an accomplishment.
No need to hate. Kobe had a great career. Top ten. But Duncan has done more with less. Better player by far. The greatest anchor ever.

[riseagainst]

Was Kobe really star in 2000 though?

technically if you are talking about the 2000s decade, it starts in 2001.

[Keno]

duece getting ethered in this thread.

[Deuce Bigalow]

As if winning back to back has any real meaning.

Surely on the flip side I could just say Kobe could only win in clusters when he had the best player in the league or the best front-court in the league?

Regular Season is very different to the Playoffs. Tell me, how successful has Duncan's team been since his decline?

Also, the fact that Duncan managed to beat the Kobe/Shaq Lakers even once, let alone twice, is amazing. I'd love to see Kobe beat a team with Shaq and Duncan on it :oldlol:

Also, here are Kobe's vs Duncan's stats in the Playoffs:

Kobe: 28.2 PPG / 5.9 RPG / 4.7 APG / 1.4 SPG / 0.3 BPG
Duncan: 25.2 PPG / 13.6 PPG / 4.2 APG / 0.9 SPG / 2.4 BPG

He hardly owns his soul.
4TH QUARTER STATS

1999 Lakers/Spurs series

Kobe: 6.5 ppg on 41/43/63
Duncan: 4.0 ppg on 63/0/60

2001 Lakers/Spurs series

Kobe: 9.8 ppg on 47/33/100
Duncan: 4.5 ppg on 39/100/78

2002 Spurs/Lakers series

Kobe: 9.2 ppg on 60/40/67
Duncan: 6.2 ppg on 38/50/57

2003 Lakers/Spurs series

Kobe: 9.0 ppg on 40/35/88
Duncan: 5.6 ppg on 30/0/78

2004 Lakers/Spurs series

Kobe: 7.3 ppg on 44/20/72
Duncan: 5.5 ppg on 55/0/75

2008 Lakers/Spurs series

Kobe: 10.2 ppg on 54/56/86
Duncan: 5.8 ppg on 39/0/75

Kobe owns his soul :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

No need to hate. Kobe had a great career. Top ten. But Duncan has done more with less. Better player by far. The greatest anchor ever.
Done more with less? It's Kobe 5, Duncan 4, so how did he do MORE with less?
Better player by far? Looked like Kobe was the better player in their playoff matchups.