2011 NBA Finals replace Bran....

[Ca$H]

with Peak Pippen is there any question Miami would win the title? Peak Pippen would have locked down Dirk and he would drop at least 22-23 points per game.

[Shabba Ranks]

your threads suck... die soon pls

[ralph_i_el]

with Peak Pippen is there any question Miami would win the title? Peak Pippen would have locked down Dirk and he would drop at least 22-23 points per game.

What a stupid ****ing thread. What makes you think pippen would lock down dirk?

[Ca$H]

What a stupid ****ing thread. What makes you think pippen would lock down dirk?

He is arguably the GOAT perimeter defender.

[navy]

Didnt 18 year old Dirk light Pippen up for 40?

[Rocketswin2013]

He is arguably the GOAT perimeter defender.
Listen to what Barkley said happened to PEAK Pippen. And it was young Dirk.......Wasn't even in the league yet.


Stop this bs.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlz01nBrl4s

[ImKobe]

Prime Pippen Finals stats

91: 21 9 7 with 2.4 spg 1 bpg on 45% FG 86% FT
92: 21 8 8 with 1.5 spg on 48% FG 79% FT
93: 21 9 8 with 2 spg 1 bpg on 44% shooting

91-95 Pippen shits on 2011 Bran

Pippen during the first 3-peat led the league in DWS twice and DRTG once in the Playoffs, very underrated. Certainly better than what Kobe had for his b2b titles or what Lebron had with Wade in 2012 & 2013.

[LeGOAT]

Prime Pippen Finals stats

91: 21 9 7 with 2.4 spg 1 bpg on 45% FG 86% FT
92: 21 8 8 with 1.5 spg on 48% FG 79% FT
93: 21 9 8 with 2 spg 1 bpg on 44% shooting

91-93 Pippen shits on 2011 Bran

Pippen during the first 3-peat led the league in DWS twice and DRTG once in the Playoffs, very underrated. Certainly better than what Kobe had for his b2b titles or what Lebron had with Wade in 2012 & 2013.
**** you you goddamn ****ing idiot. Lebron shits on anything Pippen has ever done. He rode MJs **** to fame and isnt shit.

[Milbuck]

As shitty and disrespectful this agenda thread is, I actually think they would win with peak Pippen. Normal Lebron is obviously on another level compared to Pippen, but 2011 Finals Lebron was a scared turtle, a fringe all-star getting outplayed by Jason Terry. Peak Pippen >>>> 2011 Finals Lebron. Miami STILL had a serious chance of winning that series with Lebron playing like he did. Miami with peak Pippen would win that series.

[navy]

I dont think you guys realize how much Lebron does for his team. He leads them in damn near every category. You cant replace him and think the replacement will win.

[pegasus]

I think the Heat would have won just without Lebron, let alone with Pippen. Bosh would have gotten the chance to step up more in his absence, and that probably would have been enough to tip the scale in Miami's favor.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

Too many idiots on idiots on this site that think they're being edgy. Like the moron who posted above me.

[ImKobe]

**** you you goddamn ****ing idiot. Lebron shits on anything Pippen has ever done. He rode MJs **** to fame and isnt shit.

He led a team without MJ to 55 wins & was a game away from the ECF in his first year as a 1st option :confusedshrug:

Pau & Wade didn't have that kind of success on their own. So I think the comparison is valid. Pippen's first 3 Finals are some of the best by anyone, imo. He did everything. He gave you 20 a game, grabbed 7-9 rebounds a night, gave you multiple steals & got blocks, played just as well on both ends of the floor.

Yeah, the next thing out of Bran stans mouth will be "well MJ took pressure off him", don't see how MJ affected his stats because he put up the exact same numbers without him & led a team further than Kobe or Wade ever did on their own.

Averaging 22 9 6 with 2.9 spg & shooting 49% from the field is elite for a first option. He did that on his own & he did the same with MJ. If Pippen didn't waste so much energy on playing defense, he certainly could have given you 25-30 a night because he was a freakish athlete with decent post game & he could posterize you as well as anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srl2Bwh6A3I

[Rose'sACL]

they probably don't reach the finals given that wade had worse stats against the bulls than what lebron had in the finals even with that 8 pt game.

[Milbuck]

He led a team without MJ to 55 wins & was a game away from the ECF in his first year as a 1st option :confusedshrug:

Pau & Wade didn't have that kind of success on their own. So I think the comparison is valid. Pippen's first 3 Finals are some of the best by anyone, imo. He did everything. He gave you 20 a game, grabbed 7-9 rebounds a night, gave you multiple steals & got blocks, played just as well on both ends of the floor.

Yeah, the next thing out of Bran stans mouth will be "well MJ took pressure off him", don't see how MJ affected his stats because he put up the exact same numbers without him & led a team further than Kobe or Wade ever did on their own.

Averaging 22 9 6 with 2.9 spg & shooting 49% from the field is elite for a first option. He did that on his own & he did the same with MJ. If Pippen didn't waste so much energy on playing defense, he certainly could have given you 25-30 a night because he was a freakish athlete with decent post game & he could posterize you as well as anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srl2Bwh6A3I
Huh?

[Jameerthefear]

Huh?
he's a kobe stan. he suffers from mental retardation.

[ImKobe]

they probably don't reach the finals given that wade had worse stats against the bulls than what lebron had in the finals even with that 8 pt game.

We're talking about the Finals match-up. And I have to say, a peak Pippen with a healthy Wade & Bosh? They're still the favorites & they still destroy Chicago because you know damn well Pippen would lock down Rose.

Prime Pippen could match Lebron number by number when it comes to rebounds & assists, Pippen just wasn't a 25-30 ppg scorer every game because 1) he was the 2nd option & 2) he put a lot of energy into playing defense.

[ImKobe]

Huh?

Wade had Shaq when he won his 2006 title. Shaq was still a 20 & 10 guy, who led the league in fg%. He also had a lot of veteran leadership with Zo & Payton on the roster.

Still, prime Pippen put up better stats than most elite perimeter players in his era. One of the most underrated players by far. People don't even want to list him in the top 50 these days. How can they not? A guy, who averaged what, 21 8 8 for his first 3 straight Finals while guarding the other team's best perimeter player (Magic, Drexler, Kevin Johnson)?

He gave a team everything you could ask for. Scoring, passing, rebounding, perimeter defense, low-post defense, on-ball defense.

[Rose'sACL]

We're talking about the Finals match-up. And I have to say, a peak Pippen with a healthy Wade & Bosh? They're still the favorites & they still destroy Chicago because you know damn well Pippen would lock down Rose.

Prime Pippen could match Lebron number by number when it comes to rebounds & assists, Pippen just wasn't a 25-30 ppg scorer every game because 1) he was the 2nd option & 2) he put a lot of energy into playing defense.
no, he won't. If he is the first option then he still averages lesser points than lebron while playing worse defense than he normally did during jordan years.
Lebron is a couple of tiers above pippen and offense includes playmaking.
As the first option he would probably average 22ppg 6assist during his prime years. it is not even like we have to guess that. jordan did take a break.

[guy]

I think the Heat would have won just without Lebron, let alone with Pippen. Bosh would have gotten the chance to step up more in his absence, and that probably would have been enough to tip the scale in Miami's favor.

I wouldn't go that far. But I would say they would've been better off if Lebron just got injured and couldn't play anymore after game 1. His attitude and sudden change in aggressiveness had such a negative effect on not just him but his team as a whole. They pretty much played the rest of the series wondering when the **** he was going to snap back into normal. I think if he just wasn't playing and his teammates knew they couldn't expect anything from him, mentally they would've been more prepared and things would've gone smoother. Maybe still lost, but would've increased their chances.

[ImKobe]

no, he won't. If he is the first option then he still averages lesser points than lebron while playing worse defense than he normally did during jordan years.
Lebron is a couple of tiers above pippen and offense includes playmaking.
As the first option he would probably average 22ppg 6assist during his prime years. it is not even like we have to guess that. jordan did take a break.

Obviously Lebron is better on offense when it comes to making plays, but Pippen's defense makes up for a lot of that. All in all, prime Pippen with Wade & Bosh would have rang in 2011.

[Rose'sACL]

Obviously Lebron is better on offense when it comes to making plays, but Pippen's defense makes up for a lot of that. All in all, prime Pippen with Wade & Bosh would have rang in 2011.
stop talking like Lebron is some harden-tier defender. he is one of the all time great perimeter defenders in playoffs. last year's finals were a great example. He made clutch blocks on duncan. i know that kobe stans don't consider anything other than a fadeaway 3 as clutch but it is the truth.

[hitmanyr2k]

I think Prime Pippen with Wade and Bosh pretty much take the 2011 Finals rather easily :oldlol: Pippen's help defense unshackled with these new rules would be on another level. He's not going to have to worry about Shawn Marion lighting anything up so he'd be free to roam which would put make Miami's defense lethal. And unlike Lebron, Pippen had a refined post game. If the Mavs dared put Kidd or Barea on Pippen they're getting posted up.

[Dresta]

Wade had Shaq when he won his 2006 title. Shaq was still a 20 & 10 guy, who led the league in fg%. He also had a lot of veteran leadership with Zo & Payton on the roster.

Still, prime Pippen put up better stats than most elite perimeter players in his era. One of the most underrated players by far. People don't even want to list him in the top 50 these days. How can they not? A guy, who averaged what, 21 8 8 for his first 3 straight Finals while guarding the other team's best perimeter player (Magic, Drexler, Kevin Johnson)?

He gave a team everything you could ask for. Scoring, passing, rebounding, perimeter defense, low-post defense, on-ball defense.
No he wasn't: he actually averaged 19-8 in the 04-05 playoffs, and 18-10 in the 05-06 playoffs, and his PER in both was below 20, which is far from elite. Moreover, he was a downright liability for large chunks of the 2006 finals, where he shot 25% from the line.

You say 'Pippen got 1 game from ECF without MJ' - so what? Wade got to the second round in his rookie nba season, and took a very good Indiana team to 6 games, again, as a rookie, with Lamar Odom being his best teammate.

[hitmanyr2k]

No he wasn't: he actually averaged 19-8 in the 04-05 playoffs, and 18-10 in the 05-06 playoffs, and his PER in both was below 20, which is far from elite. Moreover, he was a downright liability for large chunks of the 2006 finals, where he shot 25% from the line.

You say 'Pippen got 1 game from ECF without MJ' - so what? Wade got to the second round in his rookie nba season, and took a very good Indiana team to 6 games, again, as a rookie, with Lamar Odom being his best teammate.

The Heat got to the 2nd round by committee. Wade, Odom, Caron Butler and Eddie Jones were all instrumental to Miami getting to the 2nd round. They were all inconsistent but at least two of those guys were on each night.

[Dresta]

The Heat got to the 2nd round by committee. Wade, Odom, Caron Butler and Eddie Jones were all instrumental to Miami getting to the 2nd round. They were all inconsistent but at least two of those guys were on each night.
By the end of that playoffs Wade had cemented himself as the closer and best player on that team, as seen by the fact they traded the others (bar jones) immediately to build around Wade and Shaq. In that NO series, he was the best player and hit gamewinner in game 1, and was instrumental down the stretch in other games. After the Indiana series, he was the undisputed best player on that team (see the elimination game where he played well and no one else on his team shot over 30%).


We gonna pretend like Pippen didn't have any players of Odom/Butler/Jones's calibre on his team now?

[Rocketswin2013]

The Heat got to the 2nd round by committee. Wade, Odom, Caron Butler and Eddie Jones were all instrumental to Miami getting to the 2nd round. They were all inconsistent but at least two of those guys were on each night.
No.