How come Melo, Love, Bosh etc are "empty stats" when they dont win, but not Kobe?

[Akrazotile]

When you put a guy like Melo, Bosh, Love etc. on teams that can't win in the playoffs, and they put up monster stats, everyone says "empty stats, doesn't mean anything, overrated" etc.


But when Kobe was the undisputed first option between the Shaq and Pau eras, this is exactly what happened to him. Big stats, no success.

Only when he was playing with stacked teams was he part of any championships. Now Chris Bosh is playing with a stacked team. How are they any different? Kobe scored more points on his title teams, Bosh played better defense. If you put Melo or Love with a prime Shaq, they're gonna win titles too. Those are players that can only win on stacked TEAMS. Which is true of most guys in the league, obviously.


Point being, Kobe is really NOT a special player. He's a volume scorer who makes really difficult shots. That's not basketball impact. Guys like Duncan, Lebron, Durant, Howard, CP3 have all had more success with weak rosters because they are better basketball players than Kobe.


I'm sorry, I know you guys like to create heroes and legends and stuff, and go with the cool narrative that the guy who has "five rings" must be borderline top 10 all-time, but the reality is that Kobe's prime is in the same tier as Bosh, Melo, Love, Harden, Arenas, Gasol, and players like that.

He's not a true difference maker, and the idea that Kobe Bryant is anywhere near the Top 10 of alltime basketball players is :roll:


Comparing resumes is for the dumb fans who can't talk basketball so they talk accolades. Kobe is the dumb fan's champion.

[avonbarksdale]

5 rings... melo and love have 0 bosh has 2 but lets be real you could put any above average pf in this spot and they have 3 rigns


horrbile thread you are a troll just stop

[ImKobe]

Kobe actually led the Lakers to Playoffs every season he wasn't injured, unlike Love & Bosh.

Kobe, on his last legs, played 40+ minutes every damn night & even played 48 minutes on many of them to WILL us to the Playoffs last season. He went down twice with a knee injury during the Warriors game & he didn't give up & even went to shoot the free throws when he completely ruptured his achilles & could barely walk.

People like you are flat out disgusting & a disgrace to any basketball forum. Looking for a reason to hate on The Great One.

Like your boy Lebron said "All the people that were rooting for me to fail… at the end of the day, tomorrow they have to wake up and have the same life that (they had) before they woke up today,” James said. “They got the same personal problems they had today. And I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things I want to do."

That also applies to The Great One. He will continue to live a superstar lifestyle while you sad little haters, who spend your potential on hating on The Great One, achieve nothing.

[navy]

Because Kobe has won.

[Akrazotile]

Because Kobe has won.

Nah bro.

The Lakers have won.


Fisher has just as many rings as Kobe. Fisher has a higher playoff winning % than Kobe. Fisher has a much higher clutch shooting % than Kobe.


Kobe < Fisher.


See how easy it is to spew some bullshit to support an agenda? Objectively, Kobe is not NEARLY the player people like to build him up to be.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Kobe is a myth created by the NBA and casuals swallow it up:coleman:

[moe94]

I think you hate Kobe more than anyone else in the world. I don't even think it's a stretch to say that.

[Akrazotile]

Kobe is a myth created by the NBA and casuals swallow it up:coleman:


As far as his "greatness" this really is true. He is not a uniquely dominant talent like Shaq, Jordan, Bron, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, etc.

Kobe is a tier well below them. He's Iverson, Tmac, Love, Melo, Arenas, Harden, Bosh, except he played for a team with great management and deep pockets, which the others never had the chance to do.

Kobe is more circumstance than commodity.

[HOoopCityJones]

Shut up Jameer.

[Nikola_]

Shaqs been swept out of the playoffs six times. Why people think having melo/love+ shaq will guarantee you championship ?

[Cold soul]

Look another dumbass troll. :facepalm

[Marlo_Stanfield]

As far as his "greatness" this really is true. He is not a uniquely dominant talent like Shaq, Jordan, Bron, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, etc.

Kobe is a tier well below them. He's Iverson, Tmac, Love, Melo, Arenas, Harden, Bosh, except he played for a team with great management and deep pockets, which the others never had the chance to do.

Kobe is more circumstance than commodity.
this nignog gets it:coleman:

[moe94]

I'm pretty sure most NBA players can do 35/5/5 with enough shots.

[TiagoSimoes]

As far as his "greatness" this really is true. He is not a uniquely dominant talent like Shaq, Jordan, Bron, Kareem, Duncan, Magic, etc.

Kobe is a tier well below them. He's Iverson, Tmac, Love, Melo, Arenas, Harden, Bosh, except he played for a team with great management and deep pockets, which the others never had the chance to do.

Kobe is more circumstance than commodity.

lol im not the biggest kobe fan, but putting him in the same sentence as melo arenas love AND FKN HARDEN is plain disrespectful

[HOoopCityJones]

I'm pretty sure most NBA players can do 35/5/5 with enough shots.


But they can't. Otherwise JR Smith and Brandon Jennings would be All-stars.

[moe94]

But they can't. Otherwise JR Smith and Brandon Jennings would be All-stars.

Of course not. I was being sarcastic.

[Legends66NBA7]

lol im not the biggest kobe fan, but putting him in the same sentence as melo arenas love AND FKN HARDEN is plain disrespectful

And Bosh too. The worst of the group if were talking straight up peaks.

:oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

Of course not. I was being sarcastic.

My Bad bro.

[AnaheimLakers24]

kobe is actually a great player. not everyone had a chance to watch him, so its ok op

[SamuraiSWISH]

LeBron puts up more empty stats usually than Kobe, to be honest. He'll pad rebounds here, or a few assists there. Even when his team needs him to flat out score. It's always been one of my knocks on him.

The name of the game is scoring, and playing defense. Teamwork. Kobe also can help other teammates get theirs by being a facilitator at a level Melo, Love, and Bosh never do.

I mean K. Love is by definition an empty stat padder. How do you dominate to that degree in the box score, giving the illusion of a dominant player. Yet your team very simply doesn't win the amount of games they're supposed to?

Only time I've ever seen Kobe pad was in his 81 point game. Or in select high scoring games when he came into it with his finger on the trigger, in selfish agenda mode trying to score as much as possible, probably knowing he could take advantage of a very weak team.

[STATUTORY]

LeBron puts up more empty stats usually than Kobe, to be honest. He'll pad rebounds here, or a few assists there. Even when his team needs him to flat out score. It's always been one of my knocks on him.

The name of the game is scoring, and playing defense. Teamwork. Kobe also can help other teammates get theirs by being a facilitator at a level Melo, Love, and Bosh never do.

I mean K. Love is by definition an empty stat padder. How do you dominate to that degree in the box score, giving the illusion of a dominant player. Yet your team very simply doesn't win the amount of games they're supposed to?


:applause: :applause: samurai swish bringing that midwest humility and candor to this site

[Basketbolero]

OP is a fugly fat girl upset with Kobe for refusing her invitation to buttrape her

[The Iron Fist]

I'm pretty sure most NBA players can do 35/5/5 with enough shots.
Lebron shoots more times per game than Kobe, and hasn't come close.

[Droid101]

http://i.imgur.com/YhREBSn.gif

[aboss4real24]

Kobe top 15 player all time

All time Great scorer


widely Overrated by alot of PPL


HELL Yea hes had empty stats

more then Melo and bosh

[AirTupac]

Kobe top 15 player all time

All time Great scorer


widely Overrated by alot of PPL


HELL Yea hes had empty stats

more then Melo and bosh

I'm glad you write in pink so I know what a big queer you are.

[aboss4real24]

I'm glad you write in pink so I know what a big queer you are.

i get more ***** then u

[Akrazotile]

http://i.imgur.com/YhREBSn.gif


You are a homosexual

[sd3035]

i get more cawk then u

It's "than", not "then".

[Quickening]

Lebron shoots more times per game than Kobe, and hasn't come close.

Kobe shot 27.2 times per game that season.. Lebron closest to that is 23.1 and he averaged 31.4 ppg that season.

STFU :applause:

[The Iron Fist]

Kobe shot 27.2 times per game that season.. Lebron closest to that is 23.1 and he averaged 31.4 ppg that season.

STFU :applause::facepalm
lebronze could have shot 4 more times, but chose to pass instead because he was worried about his fg%.

So, no, bronze was not close.

[STATUTORY]

Kobe shot 27.2 times per game that season.. Lebron closest to that is 23.1 and he averaged 31.4 ppg that season.

STFU :applause:

:facepalm it take shots to get free throws too

[AirTupac]

i get more ***** then u

Sure boss, sure. :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

I don't get the OP's agenda. According to him, Phil Jackson isn't that great of a coach, and Kobe is just your every day chucker, so how did they win back-to-back? Going by his logic, it seems to me that the Lakers weren't exactly a great team.

[aboss4real24]

Sure boss, sure. :oldlol:

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1901341_786400774722227_455701543_n.jpg

[AirTupac]

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1901341_786400774722227_455701543_n.jpg

Lmfao Am I supposed to be impressed? Jeez kid, someones trying too hard.

[Straight_Ballin]

Like your boy Lebron said "All the people that were rooting for me to fail… at the end of the day, tomorrow they have to wake up and have the same life that (they had) before they woke up today,” James said. “They got the same personal problems they had today. And I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things I want to do."

That also applies to The Great One. He will continue to live a superstar lifestyle while you sad little haters, who spend your potential on hating on The Great One, achieve nothing.

Um.....no. Bron quit on his team and that is the only thing any fan with a logical thought process will ever remember. Anything after that is negated. It's basketball at the highest level, and this guy quit at the highest level. He was written off a long time ago by the majority of NBA fans both past and present.

Kobe, while a hard worker, couldn't get it done without a stacked squad either.

Stop giving respect to players that couldn't get it done without a stacked team.

If you kids want a role model, look to the 05 Pistons.

[Straight_Ballin]

Kobe shot 27.2 times per game that season.. Lebron closest to that is 23.1 and he averaged 31.4 ppg that season.

STFU :applause:

Pure ether

[moe94]

Lmfao Am I supposed to be impressed? Jeez kid, someones trying too hard.

This is the part where you post yourself. :confusedshrug:

[J Shuttlesworth]

Kobe 05-06 = empty stats

[Crimsonrain777]

When you put a guy like Melo, Bosh, Love etc. on teams that can't win in the playoffs, and they put up monster stats, everyone says "empty stats, doesn't mean anything, overrated" etc.


But when Kobe was the undisputed first option between the Shaq and Pau eras, this is exactly what happened to him. Big stats, no success.

Only when he was playing with stacked teams was he part of any championships. Now Chris Bosh is playing with a stacked team. How are they any different? Kobe scored more points on his title teams, Bosh played better defense. If you put Melo or Love with a prime Shaq, they're gonna win titles too. Those are players that can only win on stacked TEAMS. Which is true of most guys in the league, obviously.


Point being, Kobe is really NOT a special player. He's a volume scorer who makes really difficult shots. That's not basketball impact. Guys like Duncan, Lebron, Durant, Howard, CP3 have all had more success with weak rosters because they are better basketball players than Kobe.


I'm sorry, I know you guys like to create heroes and legends and stuff, and go with the cool narrative that the guy who has "five rings" must be borderline top 10 all-time, but the reality is that Kobe's prime is in the same tier as Bosh, Melo, Love, Harden, Arenas, Gasol, and players like that.

He's not a true difference maker, and the idea that Kobe Bryant is anywhere near the Top 10 of alltime basketball players is :roll:


Comparing resumes is for the dumb fans who can't talk basketball so they talk accolades. Kobe is the dumb fan's champion.


theres nothing wrong with being in the top 25 all-time best basketball players. why do people take it as a knock on kobe?that's a complement. he's still pretty damn good:applause:

[Marlo_Stanfield]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]LeBron puts up more empty stats usually than Kobe, to be honest. He'll pad rebounds here, or a few assists there. Even when his team needs him to flat out score. It's always been one of my knocks on him.

The name of the game is scoring, and playing defense. Teamwork. Kobe also can help other teammates get theirs by being a facilitator at a level Melo, Love, and Bosh never do.

I mean K. Love is by definition an empty stat padder. How do you dominate to that degree in the box score, giving the illusion of a dominant player. Yet your team very simply doesn't win the amount of games they're supposed to?

Only time I've ever seen Kobe pad was in his 81 point game. Or in select high scoring games when he came into it with his finger on the trigger, in selfish agenda mode trying to score as much as possible, probably knowing he could take advantage of a very weak team.[/:wtf:
Lebron lease the NBA in near Grippe doubles
What a d

[mr.big35]

kobe had empty stats from 05-07 those 3 seasons he just padding stats and losing in first round