If Duncan wins another ring, does he surpass Kobe all-time?

[Deuce Bigalow]

The Spurs have had the #1 seed in the WC the past 3 years and looks like they will have it again this year. But that regular season success has not translated to championships. In 2011 8 happened, in 2012 the backdoor sweep happened, and in 2013 6. Will the trend continue or will the Spurs win their fifth title giving Duncan five rings to match Kobe? Does that fifth title give Duncan the egde over Kobe for not only player of our generation, but on the all-time greatest players list?

[moe94]

Does Tony Parker win FMVP again?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Does Tony Parker win FMVP again?
Doesn't Duncan already have Kobe tied for FMVPs?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Does Tony Parker win FMVP again?
Would it matter?

[DonDadda59]

How does one surpass that of which he is already ahead? :confusedshrug:

[iTare]

ducan is the better player :D

[Deuce Bigalow]

How does one surpass that of which he is already ahead? :confusedshrug:
June 17, 2010

The one that broke the camel's back.

[Dragonyeuw]

Doesn't Duncan already have Kobe tied for FMVPs?

Duncan has 3 fmvps to Kobe's 2.

[DonDadda59]

June 17, 2010

The one that broke the camel's back.

Duncan 3 finals MVPs, Kobe 2 finals MVPs

Duncan 2 season MVPs, Kobe 1 season MVP

Boiled down ^

Unless of course you wanna argue John Havlicek and/or Bob Cousy being ranked ahead of Kobe :confusedshrug:

[D-FENS]

The Spurs have had the #1 seed in the WC the past 3 years and looks like they will have it again this year. But that regular season success has not translated to championships. In 2011 8 happened, in 2012 the backdoor sweep happened, and in 2013 6. Will the trend continue or will the Spurs win their fifth title giving Duncan five rings to match Kobe? Does that fifth title give Duncan the egde over Kobe for not only player of our generation, but on the all-time greatest players list?

He's already ahead of Kobe for me. He has never had a losing season and he has been the best player on all of the champion Spurs teams. Even last year, if they beat the Heat he's FMVP. Parker's FMVP does not count.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Duncan has 3 fmvps to Kobe's 2.
Kobe is the one who would need to win more rings to surpass Duncan, IMHO.

[annbafan]

purely from an all-time list's rank perspective, he probably does surpass him, but he won't be a better player on the whole though.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan 3 finals MVPs, Kobe 2 finals MVPs

Duncan 2 season MVPs, Kobe 1 season MVP

Boiled down ^

Unless of course you wanna argue John Havlicek and/or Bob Cousy being ranked ahead of Kobe :confusedshrug:
C'mon son

Kobe's 05-06 and 06-07 seasons with no "MVP" award > any Duncan season

05 FMVP was Manu's

2 scoring titles, 3 playoff scoring titles > leading the league in nothing except bpg 2x in the playoffs

Kobe's 01 playoff run is on par with anything Duncan did sans 03 playoffs despite no "FMVP"

June 17, 2010 when Kobe rang number five is when Kobe became the greatest of our generation tbh

[L.A. Jazz]

Kobe is the one who would need to win more rings to surpass Duncan, IMHO.

Kobe was and is the way bigger superstar, but on my GOAT-list Duncan is ahead of Kobe.

[r0drig0lac]

Duncan > Kobe

[Uncle Drew]

How can you surpass that, which you've always been ahead of?

[DonDadda59]

C'mon son

Kobe's 05-06 and 06-07 seasons with no "MVP" award > any Duncan season

05 FMVP was Manu's

2 scoring titles, 3 playoff scoring titles > leading the league in nothing except bpg 2x in the playoffs

Kobe's 01 playoff run is on par with anything Duncan did sans 03 playoffs despite no "FMVP"

June 17, 2010 when Kobe rang number five is when Kobe became the greatest of our generation tbh

Duncan in 2003>>>Bean's entire career. And he didn't need the league to change the rules to slant things in favor of big men to do it either.

No matter what lineup you put next to Tim, his team is getting 50 wins... no matter what. Can't say the same for Kobe. Without at least an all star level big man, dude is a poor man's Iverson with little impact on the game. And for whatever scoring (read: shot jacking) advantage he holds over Tim, Tim's defensive impact blows any of that out of the water. Not even remotely close.

And June 17, 2010 is when Kobe went 6-24 in game 7 of the finals. Had it not been for his teammates stepping up and Perkins being out, we'd be talking about it being one of the biggest chokes in NBA History.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is ahead of Duncan right now. Want me to bring out the links of GOAT rankings again? Christ!

Even forums have Kobe ahead. ISH has Kobe 8, Duncan 9. PSD has Kobe 8, Duncan 10. This thread is not about that though, its if Duncan wins another ring, does he surpass Bean?

[J Shuttlesworth]

C'mon son

Kobe's 05-06 and 06-07 seasons with no "MVP" award > any Duncan season

05 FMVP was Manu's

2 scoring titles, 3 playoff scoring titles > leading the league in nothing except bpg 2x in the playoffs

Kobe's 01 playoff run is on par with anything Duncan did sans 03 playoffs despite no "FMVP"

June 17, 2010 when Kobe rang number five is when Kobe became the greatest of our generation tbh
05-06 = missing the playoffs = empty stats no better than Kevin Love. Get that scrub talk outta here. Duncan has Kobe beat on MVPs and FMVPs because he gets it done when it matters the most and actually gets his team to the playoffs consistently. Oh and LOL @ 20/14 Duncan not being the 05 FMVP

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan in 2003>>>Bean's entire career. And he didn't need the league to change the rules to slant things in favor of big men to do it either.

No matter what lineup you put next to Tim, his team is getting 50 wins... no matter what. Can't say the same for Kobe. Without at least an all star level big man, dude is a poor man's Iverson with little impact on the game. And for whatever scoring (read: shot jacking) advantage he holds over Tim, Tim's defensive impact blows any of that out of the water. Not even remotely close.

And June 17, 2010 is when Kobe went 6-24 in game 7 of the finals. Had it not been for his teammates stepping up and Perkins being out, we'd be talking about it being one of the biggest chokes in NBA History.
This is bullshit and you know it. Players in their prime like Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, Barry, MJ, KG, Kobe, ect have not been able to win 50 games every year. Give Duncan a bad team too and he won't either. Funny that you're using team accomplishments right now for your case for Duncan when the ring count is Kobe 5, Duncan 4. Let us proceed.

Your "big man" argument can easily be destroyed. Two words: Scottie Pippen. MJ needed some help to finally win and what happened his first 3 seasons without Pip? 3 sweeps out the playoffs, not because he wasn't good enough, but because you need a good team to go places in the playoffs and regular season for that matter as MJ if I remember the numbers correctly did not win over 41 games those 3 seasons.

[Cold soul]

Sure if Duncan has great Final series or wins FMVP, I don't see why not..

[Duderonomy]

Kobe because he is transcends the popularity of the league unlike Duncan http://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=HYda7kx6sq4

[Deuce Bigalow]

05-06 = missing the playoffs = empty stats no better than Kevin Love. Get that scrub talk outta here. Duncan has Kobe beat on MVPs and FMVPs because he gets it done when it matters the most and actually gets his team to the playoffs consistently. Oh and LOL @ 20/14 Duncan not being the 05 FMVP
Ginobiliiiiiii 19/6/4 on 64%TS in 36 mpg :bowdown:
23/5/4 on 75%TS in game 7 :bowdown:

[DonDadda59]

This is bullshit and you know it. Players in their prime like Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, Barry, MJ, KG, Kobe, ect have not been able to win 50 games every year. Give Duncan a bad team too and he won't either. Funny that you're using team accomplishments right now for your case for Duncan when the ring count is Kobe 5, Duncan 4. Let us proceed.

Duncan has (not counting lock out seasons obviously) led every team he's played for to at least 50 wins. And he's had some lineups that in other superstars' hands would be considered bad. Again, I'll bring up 2003- Robinson in his last year averaging 9/7, an erratic second year Parker SA wanted to trade for Parker, and a rookie Manu putting up 8 PPG. Timmy lead that team to the ring (60-22 reg season) while winning MVP, Finals MVP, and should've won DPOY.

Now how is that lineup better than the one Bean led to a 34-48 record? Mind you a rookie DWade led a very similar lineup to the 2nd round the season before.

Shaq was far and away the biggest reason the Lakers won those 3-peat rings, while Duncan was the best player on every one of his championship teams. Like I said before, if you're going to rank Bean ahead of Duncan based on ring count how the hell can you rank Hondo (8 rings, would have 2-3 finals MVP) or Cousy (6 rings, 1 season MVP, would have 1 finals MVP) below Bean?

Makes no sense whatsoever.

[Lamar Odumbb]

05-06 = missing the playoffs = empty stats no better than Kevin Love. Get that scrub talk outta here. Duncan has Kobe beat on MVPs and FMVPs because he gets it done when it matters the most and actually gets his team to the playoffs consistently. Oh and LOL @ 20/14 Duncan not being the 05 FMVP

Why is Kobe 4-2 in playoff series vs Duncan if Duncan is vastly superior to Kobe.

Kobe took Pau who never won 1 playoff game and dethroned the 2007 champion Spurs in 2008.

[DFish24]

He would have to Win FMVP as well to surpass Kobe.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Duncan has (not counting lock out seasons obviously) led every team he's played for to at least 50 wins. And he's had some lineups that in other superstars' hands would be considered bad. Again, I'll bring up 2003- Robinson in his last year averaging 9/7, an erratic second year Parker SA wanted to trade for Parker, and a rookie Manu putting up 8 PPG. Timmy lead that team to the ring (60-22 reg season) while winning MVP, Finals MVP, and should've won DPOY.

Now how is that lineup better than the one Bean led to a 34-48 record? Mind you a rookie DWade led a very similar lineup to the 2nd round the season before.

Shaq was far and away the biggest reason the Lakers won those 3-peat rings, while Duncan was the best player on every one of his championship teams. Like I said before, if you're going to rank Bean ahead of Duncan based on ring count how the hell can you rank Hondo (8 rings, would have 2-3 finals MVP) or Cousy (6 rings, 1 season MVP, would have 1 finals MVP) below Bean?

Makes no sense whatsoever.
Did you really just say that the 04-05 Lakers were as good as the 02-03 Spurs?

:biggums:

They were LAST in defensive rating.

Next person. I'm done man :biggums:

Never met more irrational people than Kobe haters.

[DonDadda59]

He would have to Win FMVP as well to surpass Kobe.

How do you figure? Having more MVPs than Kobe isn't already enough? He has to DOUBLE his count in both the reg. season and finals?

:lol

[DMV2]

Duncan the man for 13 years and co-leader last 4 years with 4 rings as the man, 3 fmvp.

Kobe the man for half of his career, 2 rings/fmvp as the man, 8 seasons as sidekick with 1 rings as sidekick, 2002 *ring as sidekick, 2000 *ring playing in only 4 of the 6 finals games as sidekick.

who has more questionable * rings as kobe? lol

[J Shuttlesworth]

Why is Kobe 4-2 in playoff series vs Duncan if Duncan is vastly superior to Kobe.

Kobe took Pau who never won 1 playoff game and dethroned the 2007 champion Spurs in 2008.
You realize they don't play the same position, right? It's a team game, not a 1v1 game. Plus, 3 of those were piggy backing off Shaq

[HOoopCityJones]

Everyone loves to bring up Lebron vs Kobe head-to-head records.

But want to completely abstract Kobe's record head-to-head vs Duncan.

Ridiculous standards by the ISH kobe hater committee.

#Doubelstandardsbe

#Criteriatodiscreditgreatnessbe

[DonDadda59]

Did you really just say that the 04-05 Lakers were as good as the 02-03 Spurs?

:biggums:

They were LAST in defensive rating.

Next person. I'm done man :biggums:

EXACTLY. Because Bean has little impact on that end of the floor. Put Duncan on that team in place of Bean and they win at least 50, rank much higher than last in defense, and make the second round. AT LEAST.

Now put Bean on that '02-'03 Spurs team and they look an awful lot like the Lakers in '04-'05

'03-'04 Miami Heat
C- Brian Grant
PF- Lamar Odom
SF- Caron Butler
SG- Eddie Jones
PG- Dwyane Wade (rookie season)

42-40 record (#9 Defense), beat NO 4-3 in first round, lost 4-2 in second round to Pacers

'04-'05 LA Lakers
C- Chris Mihm
PF- Lamar Odom
SF- Caron Butler
SG- Kobe Bryant (first year not playing w/ Shaq)
PG- Chucky Atkins

34-48 record (30th/30 in defense), missed the playoffs

Like I said, without at least an all star level big man Bean is a poor man's Allen Iverson.

Duncan easily has the bigger impact and is the greater player. The only advantage Bean holds is playing sidekick to the MDE.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Everyone loves to bring up Lebron vs Kobe head-to-head records.

But want to completely abstract Kobe's record head-to-head vs Duncan.

Ridiculous standards by the ISH kobe hater committee.

#Doubelstandardsbe
Their head to head playoff record is 1-1. Shaq has the 3-1 record against the Spurs. Only series where you are the leader of the team count.

[navy]

Everyone loves to bring up Lebron vs Kobe head-to-head records.

But want to completely abstract Kobe's record head-to-head vs Duncan.

Ridiculous standards by the ISH kobe hater committee.

#Doubelstandardsbe

Kobe stans dont even give credit to Lebron's 2nd ring last year because Ray Allen hit a 3 point shot, despite giving Kobe credit on all 3 of his piggy back rings.

[moe94]

#Doubelstandardsbe

#Criteriatodiscreditgreatnessbe
:roll:

[DMAVS41]

Why is Kobe 4-2 in playoff series vs Duncan if Duncan is vastly superior to Kobe.

Kobe took Pau who never won 1 playoff game and dethroned the 2007 champion Spurs in 2008.

Are 5 of those series not with Shaq? And even in 08 Manu was hobbled badly the entire series.

Not that it matters anyway...the head to head stuff between players playing different positions is probably the most useless metric ever.

[Deuce Bigalow]

EXACTLY. Because Bean has little impact on that end of the floor. Put Duncan on that team in place of Bean and they win at least 50, rank much higher than last in defense, and make the second round. AT LEAST.

Now put Bean on that '02-'03 Spurs team and they look an awful lot like the Lakers in '04-'05

'03-'04 Miami Heat
C- Brian Grant
PF- Lamar Odom
SF- Caron Butler
SG- Eddie Jones
PG- Dwyane Wade (rookie season)

42-40 record (#9 Defense), beat NO 4-3 in first round, lost 4-2 in second round to Pacers

'04-'05 LA Lakers
C- Chris Mihm
PF- Lamar Odom
SF- Caron Butler
SG- Kobe Bryant (first year not playing w/ Shaq)
PG- Chucky Atkins

34-48 record (30th/30 in defense), missed the playoffs

Like I said, without at least an all star level big man Bean is a poor man's Allen Iverson.

Duncan easily has the bigger impact and is the greater player. The only advantage Bean holds is playing sidekick to the MDE.
1986-87 Bulls: 40-42 (MJ played all 82 games)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1987.html?

They still made the playoffs because of the conference but in the WC in 04-05 the 8th seed won 45 games.

MJ = no impact
MJ = a Kobe/AI no impact player

:roll:

Am I doing it right?

[DonDadda59]

1986-87 Bulls: 40-42 (MJ played all 82 games)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1987.html?

They still made the playoffs because of the conference but in the WC in 04-05 the 8th seed won 45 games.

MJ = no impact
MJ = a Kobe/AI no impact player

:roll:

Am I doing it right?

So... better than 34-48 and 30th/30 in defense? And the previous season when Jordan only played 18 games (started only 7) after a devastating leg injury, they went 30-52 while being last defensively (23th/23).

So we at least know that Kobe in his first year without Shaq had the same impact as Orlando Woolridge :oldlol:

Duncan>Kobe and you've done nothing to make me think otherwise.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Take away MJ in 93-94 and what happened?

Bulls go 55-27

Speaking of impact...

:oldlol:

[DMAVS41]

I'm really struggling to see the argument for Kobe.

Kobe played with better championship level help. Has less MVP's...has less finals MVP's. Has missed more games due to injury.

And actually has worse longevity.

Despite coming into the league 1 year after Kobe;

Duncan has played 1 more game and started 147 more games.

And Duncan came into the league as an elite player. He was first team all nba his rookie year and was 5th in MVP voting.

Duncan as a rookie was better than Kobe was at any point in his first 4 years. It took until Kobe's 5th year to be as good as rookie Duncan.

And now that Duncan has had better years in 13 and 14...any argument for Kobe at this point has really been put to rest.

Considering Duncan's higher peak and more consistent prime with better longevity...and better stats (even more impressive because Duncan's best asset is his defense which is not quantified all that well)...just not much of an argument anymore.

Kobe will need to come back and have a couple great years to make this much of a conversation.

[DFish24]

Their head to head playoff record is 1-1. Shaq has the 3-1 record against the Spurs. Only series where you are the leader of the team count.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html

[DonDadda59]

Take away MJ in 93-94 and what happened?

Bulls go 55-27

Speaking of impact...

:oldlol:

Bulls added Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, Luc Longley, and other pieces that weren't on the '93 team that Jordan led to their 3rd ring. The first chance MJ got to play with them for a full season (swapping Grant for Rodman), all he did was lead them to the best record in NBA History (72 wins) and the first of another threepeat. #DatImpact

But thank you for pointing out that Kobe w/o Shaq or Pau = poor man's Orlando Woolridge :oldlol:

[moe94]

But thank you for pointing out that Kobe w/o Shaq or Pau = poor man's Orlando Woolridge :oldlol:

Full troll mode.

[Keno]

How does one surpass that of which he is already ahead? :confusedshrug:

fastest end /thread in ish history.

[HOoopCityJones]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html

Let me say this clearly , especially to Jesus "save Lebron's ass" Shuttlesworth.


Kobe Bryant created most of his legend dominating The Spurs in the Playoffs.

Anyone who can refute this, let us proceed.



#DetroyingTimmyslegacysince01be

#ShaqtookWCFoffcuzofKobe

[J Shuttlesworth]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2001_WCF.html
That's still Shaq's team despite Kobe playing a better series. I'm still not sure why you're bringing up head to head for a C/PF vs. an SG. Duncan still has Kobe beat on career accomplishments and longevity and win%

[sportjames23]

Take away MJ in 93-94 and what happened?

Bulls go 55-27

Speaking of impact...

:oldlol:

Bulls then proceed to lose in the Second Round, after winning the championship the previous season WITH MJ. MJ comes back and leads the Bulls to the greatest record in NBA history.

Yeah, speaking of impact...

[ArbitraryWater]

Why are people saying Duncan > Kobe? :confusedshrug:

Let Deuce boil it down for me please

[DonDadda59]

Full troll mode.

Troll... moi? :confusedshrug:

Kobe in his first year w/o Shaq led Lamar Odom/Caron Butler to a 34-48 record and last ranked defense a season after rookie Wade led them to the second round.

Orlando Woolridge w/ Jordan out w/ injury led the Bulls to a 30-52 record and last ranked defense.

Where doth I troll, kind sir?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Let me say this clearly , especially to Jesus "save Lebron's ass" Shuttlesworth.


Kobe Bryant created most of his legend dominating The Spurs in the Playoffs.

Anyone who can refute this, let us proceed.



#DetroyingTimmyslegacysince01be

#ShaqtookWCFoffcuzofKobe
Oh really? I didn't know that Kobe was guarding Timmy and vice versa. Was Timmy playing SG or Kobe playing PF?

Kobe has won 1 series against the Spurs since he stopped piggy backing off of Shaq. Just goes to show how irrelevant he is without a dominant big man.

[Nevaeh]

Let me say this clearly , especially to Jesus "save Lebron's ass" Shuttlesworth.


Kobe Bryant created most of his legend dominating The Spurs in the Playoffs.

Anyone who can refute this, let us proceed.



#DetroyingTimmyslegacysince01be

#ShaqtookWCFoffcuzofKobe


http://www.inflexwetrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IFWT-Shaq11.jpg

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Depends how he plays if he chokin again like in 05 finals but Horry and Manu bail him out then no

[J Shuttlesworth]

http://www.inflexwetrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IFWT-Shaq11.jpg
What do you mean? I thought Kobe was shutting down Timmy. Shaq was covering Ginobili on the perimeter while Kobe was protecting the paint, right?

[HOoopCityJones]

Oh really? I didn't know that Kobe was guarding Timmy and vice versa. Was Timmy playing SG or Kobe playing PF?

Kobe has won 1 series against the Spurs since he stopped piggy backing off of Shaq. Just goes to show how irrelevant he is without a dominant big man.

Isn't Timmy D the Spurs's quote The Best Defensive Anchor of all time end quote?

Aka in his prime he had the same responsibility to protect the paint from the slashers, similar to what Dwight, Noah, Hibbert and Deandre do for their Teams.

You man whores can't have it both ways, either Duncan is dominant defensively or he can't stop Kobe from destroying his squad, from the paint.


#TimmyDcan'tstopsomescrubsidekicktoShaq.

#ShaqwasonvacationvsTheSpurs

#****witTimmyyouknowhe'llmissitinGm7

[J Shuttlesworth]

Isn't Timmy D the Spurs's quote The Best Defensive Anchor of all time end quote?

Aka in his prime he had the same responsibility to protect the paint from the slashers, similar to what Dwight, Noah, Hibbert and Deandre do for their Teams.

You man whores can't have it both ways, either Duncan is dominant defensively or he can't stop Kobe from destroying his squad, from the paint.


#TimmyDcan'tDstopsomescrubsidekicktoShaq.

#ShaqwasonvacationvsTheSpurs

#****witTimmyyouknowhe'llmissitinGm7
Kobe isn't the type of player who destroys you in the paint :facepalm Did you start watching this year or something? You don't even watch your "favorite" player. Duncan is pre occupied with the best player on the Lakers, Shaq. They decided to let Kobe score and focus more on Shaq. If they focused more on Kobe instead of Shaq, the Spurs would've been blown out.

[Euroleague]

Oh look, Spurs might have to play the Grizzlies again............

[J Shuttlesworth]

Even though I hate the idea of comparing two players head to head who play diff positions, here are their #s:

http://i.imgur.com/ZQyjvjm.png

Duncan > Kobe

[Nevaeh]

What do you mean? I thought Kobe was shutting down Timmy. Shaq was covering Ginobili on the perimeter while Kobe was protecting the paint, right?


Actually Kobe was too busy shutting down Derek Anderson, for the few minutes that he played, along with 38 year old PG Terry Porter.

:oldlol:


for 2001 at least, which is apparently when the "Legend" began...........

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe isn't the type of player who destroys you in the paint :facepalm Did you start watching this year or something? You don't even watch your "favorite" player. Duncan is pre occupied with the best player on the Lakers, Shaq. They decided to let Kobe score and focus more on Shaq. If they focused more on Kobe instead of Shaq, the Spurs would've been blown out.

:roll:

You just lost all credibility.

Frobe was known for his slashing in the paint.


This is how I know you Lebron stans don't know shit about Kobe Bryant except what you see in the Twilight of his career.

Kobe became the shooter he was from beyond the arc, # 8 showed flashes of what his shot would become, but 05-06 Kobe took it to another level, and # 24 Kobe just exceeds everything that he was when he was Teamed with Shaq.

You're a joke BroGod, go back to jerking off to LBJ's stat line.


#PopnorTimmyneverhadanswerfornumber8

#SpursfansgladD'antoniran24intothegroundbeforethep layoffsbe

[J Shuttlesworth]

:roll:

You just lost all credibility.

Frobe was known for his slashing in the paint.


This is how I know you Lebron stans don't know shit about Kobe Bryant except what you see in his Twilight of his career.

Kobe became the shooter he was from beyond the arc, # 8 showed flashes of what his shot would become, but 05-06 Kobe took it to another level, and # 24 Kobe just exceeds everything that he was when he was Teamed with Shaq.

You're a joke BroGod, go back to jerking off to LBJ's stat line.
80% of his shots those years were outside of the paint :facepalm :facepalm Do you even watch Kobe? Seriously

Most of his paint buckets were fast break points, not slashes. Dominating Duncan not found.

[HOoopCityJones]

80% of his shots those years were outside of the paint :facepalm :facepalm Do you even watch Kobe? Seriously

Yup, sure do more than you and more than some advanced statistic. :roll:

You a straight clown bruh, get up on your Hoop game.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Yup, sure do more than you and more than some advanced statistic. :roll:

You a straight clown bruh, get up on your Hoop game.
Advancted statistics:lol It's an easy to find stat. Points in the paint? FGA% less than 3 feet? Not complicated at all. Kobe is not the slasher you think he is. He had some ability to get in, but didn't use it that much except a bit in his prime. He's much more of a turnaround/shoot off the dribble type guy

[ArbitraryWater]

Oh look, Spurs might have to play the Grizzlies again............

Random Euroleague post :lol

[Anaximandro1]

1) MVP - Duncan 2 ; Kobe 1


2) FMVP - Duncan 3; Kobe 2


3) Rings as # 1 - Duncan 4; Kobe 2

Duncan led 1999/2003/2005/2007 Spurs in Pts/Rb/Blk

Kobe led 2009/2010 Lakers in Pts/Ast


4) Dependability and consistency - Duncan


5) Stats - Prime Duncan/Shaq/Hakeem are light years ahead of prime Kobe.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4AxqybgHT2w/UzdI18w64OI/AAAAAAAACsc/XP-FkpE2c28/s1600/7.jpg


6) Peak - Duncan is light years ahead of Kobe.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t-GfV7k1U4s/UzdI1w7K9BI/AAAAAAAACsY/F7D84r1ycnc/s1600/8.jpg

[HOoopCityJones]

Advancted statistics:lol It's an easy to find stat. Points in the paint? FGA% less than 3 feet? Not complicated at all. Kobe is not the slasher you think he is. He had some ability to get in, but didn't use it that much except a bit in his prime. He's much more of a turnaround/shoot off the dribble type guy

Actually , you're so right.


http://youtu.be/-ajUO8ivsLw

http://youtu.be/JkvpnmAk2xU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv_wKwanldc

Tell me this Ray Allen, why oh why does Kobe have more video destroying The Spurs than the other way around? :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

1) MVP - Duncan 2 ; Kobe 1


2) FMVP - Duncan 3; Kobe 2


3) Rings as # 1 - Duncan 4; Kobe 2

Duncan led 1999/2003/2005/2007 Spurs in Pts/Rb/Blk

Kobe led 2009/2010 Lakers in Pts/Ast


4) Dependability and consistency - Duncan


5) Stats - Prime Duncan/Shaq/Hakeem are light years ahead of prime Kobe.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4AxqybgHT2w/UzdI18w64OI/AAAAAAAACsc/XP-FkpE2c28/s1600/7.jpg


6) Peak - Duncan is light years ahead of Kobe.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t-GfV7k1U4s/UzdI1w7K9BI/AAAAAAAACsY/F7D84r1ycnc/s1600/8.jpg


This is all you guys have, numbers that paint a pretty picture, but who was winning these match ups???? :lol

[DMV2]

1) MVP - Duncan 2 ; Kobe 1


2) FMVP - Duncan 3; Kobe 2


3) Rings as # 1 - Duncan 4; Kobe 2

Duncan led 1999/2003/2005/2007 Spurs in Pts/Rb/Blk

Kobe led 2009/2010 Lakers in Pts/Ast


4) Dependability and consistency - Duncan


5) Stats - Prime Duncan/Shaq/Hakeem are light years ahead of prime Kobe.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4AxqybgHT2w/UzdI18w64OI/AAAAAAAACsc/XP-FkpE2c28/s1600/7.jpg


6) Peak - Duncan is light years ahead of Kobe.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t-GfV7k1U4s/UzdI1w7K9BI/AAAAAAAACsY/F7D84r1ycnc/s1600/8.jpg

http://gifpinner.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/basketball-animated-gif-sports-gifs-giphy-1390782860g8n4k.gif

[J Shuttlesworth]

Actually , you're so right.


http://youtu.be/-ajUO8ivsLw

http://youtu.be/JkvpnmAk2xU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv_wKwanldc

Tell me this Ray Allen, why oh why does Kobe have more video destroying The Spurs than the other way around? :confusedshrug:
Your first video is a off the dribble clutch jumper proving my point. I'm not denying that Kobe destroys the Spurs, but he's mostly tearing apart the perimeter guys, not Duncan.This whole head to head against Duncan thing is retarded since they play different positions.

And the reason there are more vids of the Kobe being clutch against the Spurs is because the Spurs are boring to watch and nobody wants to see a clutch duncan 2 foot bank shot.

[HOoopCityJones]

Boiled down

5 > 4

4-2 head-to-heads in kobe's favor.

Proceed.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Per, ORtg, defensive rating :roll:

The latter 2 are team stats even the creator of the stat said it shouldn't be used for individual players

[HOoopCityJones]

Your first video is a off the dribble clutch jumper proving my point. I'm not denying that Kobe destroys the Spurs, but he's mostly tearing apart the perimeter guys, not Duncan.This whole head to head against Duncan thing is retarded since they play different positions.

And the reason there are more vids of the Kobe being clutch against the Spurs is because the Spurs are boring to watch and nobody wants to see a clutch duncan 2 foot bank shot.

Guess you missed the big ass you're right at the top of my post? :biggums:

[J Shuttlesworth]

1) MVP - Duncan 2 ; Kobe 1


2) FMVP - Duncan 3; Kobe 2


3) Rings as # 1 - Duncan 4; Kobe 2

Duncan led 1999/2003/2005/2007 Spurs in Pts/Rb/Blk

Kobe led 2009/2010 Lakers in Pts/Ast


4) Dependability and consistency - Duncan


5) Stats - Prime Duncan/Shaq/Hakeem are light years ahead of prime Kobe.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4AxqybgHT2w/UzdI18w64OI/AAAAAAAACsc/XP-FkpE2c28/s1600/7.jpg


6) Peak - Duncan is light years ahead of Kobe.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-t-GfV7k1U4s/UzdI1w7K9BI/AAAAAAAACsY/F7D84r1ycnc/s1600/8.jpg

BB.BB..BBUT

DOES DUNCAN EVEN PASS THE EYE TEST?

[J Shuttlesworth]

Guess you missed the big ass you're right at the top of my post? :biggums:
It said "You're so right" making me think you were being sarcastic. My bad :cheers:

[zoom17]

Dumb Kobe stans.

[HOoopCityJones]

BB.BB..BBUT

DOES DUNCAN EVEN PASS THE EYE TEST?

OMG shut the fuq up, you clowns use Team raitings to prop up Duncan.


Like I said if he was such a great Defensive anchor why does Kobe torch the Spurs from EVERYWHERE, everytime they play eachother?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Am I taking him over Kobe? Yeah. Probably. But dont pretend I wouldn't need a GOAT coach and stacked teams to win w/ him, either.

Honestly? I find Duncan overrated. Aside from "rangz", not much separates he and KG.

[J Shuttlesworth]

OMG shut the fuq up, you clowns use Team raitings to prop up Duncan.


Like I said if he was such a great Defensive anchor why does Kobe torch the Spurs from EVERYWHERE, everytime they play eachother?
Duncan is a defensive anchor for the paint, not the perimeter :facepalm Kobe is a perimeter player, not a LeBron style slasher

Duncan and the Spurs are 27-20 vs. Kobe's Lakers in the season.

Kobe puts up 24.8, 5 and 4 beind held to 43% shooting.
Duncan puts up 19.4, and 11.6 rpg and 4 at 45% shooting.

I wouldn't say that's exactly lighting up since Duncan's stats are better and he has the better win%

[bukowski81]

Isn't Timmy D the Spurs's quote The Best Defensive Anchor of all time end quote?

Aka in his prime he had the same responsibility to protect the paint from the slashers, similar to what Dwight, Noah, Hibbert and Deandre do for their Teams.

You man whores can't have it both ways, either Duncan is dominant defensively or he can't stop Kobe from destroying his squad, from the paint.


#TimmyDcan'tstopsomescrubsidekicktoShaq.

#ShaqwasonvacationvsTheSpurs

#****witTimmyyouknowhe'llmissitinGm7

So now you are questioning that Duncan isnt a great paint protector??

How can you have any credibility with comments like that??

And you dont think that maybe having this dude Shaq also on the paint can influence things??

[DonDadda59]

Am I taking him over Kobe? Yeah. Probably. But dont pretend I wouldn't need a GOAT coach and stacked teams to win w/ him, either.

Honestly? I find Duncan overrated. Aside from "rangz", not much separates he and KG.

What 'stacked team' did Duncan have when he won the ring in '03 (or even '05/'07)?

If anybody needs a stacked lineup around him to even make the playoffs, it's clearly Bean. Duncan has proven that no matter who you match him up with, he's going to win at least 50 unless it's a lock out season.

[Cold soul]

I'm really struggling to see the argument for Kobe.

Kobe played with better championship level help. Has less MVP's...has less finals MVP's. Has missed more games due to injury.

And actually has worse longevity.

Despite coming into the league 1 year after Kobe;

Duncan has played 1 more game and started 147 more games.

And Duncan came into the league as an elite player. He was first team all nba his rookie year and was 5th in MVP voting.

Duncan as a rookie was better than Kobe was at any point in his first 4 years. It took until Kobe's 5th year to be as good as rookie Duncan.

And now that Duncan has had better years in 13 and 14...any argument for Kobe at this point has really been put to rest.

Considering Duncan's higher peak and more consistent prime with better longevity...and better stats (even more impressive because Duncan's best asset is his defense which is not quantified all that well)...just not much of an argument anymore.

Kobe will need to come back and have a couple great years to make this much of a conversation.

Kobe has had much better season last year over Duncan. Kobe finished top 4 in MVP voting while Duncan had zero votes and did not finish in top 5 (2012-2013).Honestly speaking Kobe has been the better player since 07. You can give TD this year due to Kobe injury only playing six games. Kobe was the best player of 2000's decade.

[ArbitraryWater]

Am I taking him over Kobe? Yeah. Probably. But dont pretend I wouldn't need a GOAT coach and stacked teams to win w/ him, either.

Honestly? I find Duncan overrated. Aside from "rangz", not much separates he and KG.

He's a far superior playoff performer to KG.

KG in his prime was settling for jumpers instead of dominating on the block. His prime doesn't touch Duncan's.

And this notion that KG was the sole reason for the Celtics becoming a great defensive team is is meh.

The T-Wolves were a top-10 defensive team once during KG's tenure there.

Tim Duncan was the anchor of an AT LEAST top-3 defense EVERY year from his rookie season to 2008. AND he was the focal-point on offense.

Duncan is a superior defensive player to KG.
KG didn't become known as a defensive stopper until he dedicated himself exclusively to it in Boston.
His defense wasn't that great in MIN, until he scaled it back on offense to be great on D in Boston.

Duncan's always been a superior rim protector

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What 'stacked team' did Duncan have when he won the ring in '03 (or even '05/'07)?

Parker - one of the best PG's of the 2000's
Manu - one of the greatest international players ever; was an absolute beast in 2005 and 2007; gritty on both offense and defense
Bowen - one of the best perimeter defenders of the 2000's (probably THE best)

That AND arguably the greatest coach of all-time.

Never denied Kobe needed a "stacked team"; however Duncan needed one too. For at least 2/4 of his rings. :confusedshrug:

And Duncan isn't "winning" 50 games. This isn't boxing or tennis.

[HOoopCityJones]

So now you are questioning that Duncan isnt a great paint protector??

How can you have any credibility with comments like that??

And you dont think that maybe having this dude Shaq also on the paint can influence things??

Ofc it had influence , but I'm just using the Haters bone head logic against them.

It's only a Team game when it comes to Kobe, right? You Duncan stans act like Timmy has done the most with the worse squads ever, and it's Bullshit.

[DonDadda59]

Parker - one of the best PG's of the 2000's
Manu - one of the greatest international players ever; was an absolute beast in 2005 and 2007; gritty on both offense and defense
Bowen - one of the best perimeter defenders of the 2000's (probably THE best)

That AND arguably the greatest coach of all-time.

Never denied Kobe needed a "stacked team"; however Duncan needed one too. For at least 2/4 of his rings. :confusedshrug:

And Duncan isn't "winning" 50 games. This isn't boxing or tennis.

In '03 Parker was in his second year and was very erratic. Even after the Spurs beat the Nets in the finals, SA aggressively pursued Jason Kidd as his replacement. Manu was a rookie coming off the bench barely averaging 8 PPG. Robinson was on his absolute last legs, putting up 9/7. They were FAR from a 'stacked' team and yet Duncan led them to 60 wins and the championship.

Duncan has had some good well-rounded teams, but nothing close to being considered 'stacked' IMO. Nothing even remotely resembling Nash's Suns, Bron's Heat, or even the massive Bean failures ('04, '13 Lakers).

And having Bowen on your team doesn't qualify you as 'stacked', c'mon :lol

[DMV2]

Parker - one of the best PG's of the 2000's
Manu - one of the greatest international players ever; was an absolute beast in 2005 and 2007; gritty on both offense and defense
Bowen - one of the best perimeter defenders of the 2000's (probably THE best)

That AND arguably the greatest coach of all-time.

Never denied Kobe needed a "stacked team"; however Duncan needed one too. For at least 2/4 of his rings. :confusedshrug:

And Duncan isn't "winning" 50 games. This isn't boxing or tennis.
strictly referring to 2003, manu wasn't even a big part of their rotation yet. parker was still in his 2nd season.

they turned out to be really good players but that year, duncan carried that team that wasn't really stacked at all.

edited - dondadda beat me to it by a few seconds. lol

[HOoopCityJones]

You guys are also forgetting we're supposed abstract Kobe's longevity vs Duncan's.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's a far superior playoff performer to KG.

How do you figure? From around their primes (age 21-32ish):

21.8ppg 12.5reb 4.5ast 1.3stl 1.6blk - PER 23.4
23.4 12.7reb 3.5ast 0.7stl 1.7blk - PER 26.0

That don't look "far superior" to me.

When you factor in the numbers TD produced were on BETTER teams, with superior coaching, I'm not sure how one comes to the conclusion, at their BEST, they "weren't close"?

OT, but didn't KG win an MVP during Duncan's prime? I always thought of them as equal players.


KG in his prime was settling for jumpers

KG in his prime had a great jumpshot and was money from 10-12 out (had runs where he shot in the ~50% range).


And this notion that KG was the sole reason for the Celtics becoming a great defensive team is is meh.

Never made that argument, but he was definitely their anchor.


The T-Wolves were a top-10 defensive team once during KG's tenure there.

A lot of that has to do with personnel and coaching (see Pop and Bowen).


Duncan is a superior defensive player to KG.

Duncan's always been a superior rim protector

Yeah. He is. No arguing that. KG's claim to fame was that he had no weaknesses. Great on the defensive end as well.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

In '03 Parker was in his second year and was very erratic. Even after the Spurs beat the Nets in the finals, SA aggressively pursued Jason Kidd as his replacement. Manu was a rookie coming off the bench barely averaging 8 PPG. Robinson was on his absolute last legs, putting up 9/7. They were FAR from a 'stacked' team and yet Duncan led them to 60 wins and the championship.

Duncan has had some good well-rounded teams, but nothing close to being considered 'stacked' IMO. Nothing even remotely resembling Nash's Suns, Bron's Heat, or even the massive Bean failures ('04, '13 Lakers).

And having Bowen on your team doesn't qualify you as 'stacked', c'mon :lol

Obviously our definitions of "stacked"...are different.

No biggie. Won't lose any sleep over it :cheers:

[K Xerxes]

Am I taking him over Kobe? Yeah. Probably. But dont pretend I wouldn't need a GOAT coach and stacked teams to win w/ him, either.

Honestly? I find Duncan overrated. Aside from "rangz", not much separates he and KG.

Duncan isn't all that overrated, KG is just underrated in my eyes. From an individual standpoint, I've never seen much to separate them either, and in a 'GOAT' list that simply measures impact on the court, I would give serious consideration to KG in the top 10 (competing with Duncan, Kobe and LeBron currently).

Honestly, I think KG was a better player than Kobe, and, in the same way I view Duncan, it wasn't that particularly close if we look at their peaks. Of course, you post a GOAT list and that would be laughed off. Maybe I just think of KG too highly, but dude was that great IMO.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Duncan isn't all that overrated, KG is just underrated in my eyes. From an individual standpoint, I've never seen much to separate them either, and in a 'GOAT' list that simply measures impact on the court, I would give serious consideration to KG in the top 10 (competing with Duncan, Kobe and LeBron currently).

Honestly, I think KG was a better player than Kobe, and, in the same way I view Duncan, it wasn't that particularly close if we look at their peaks. Of course, you post a GOAT list and that would be laughed off. Maybe I just think of KG too highly, but dude was that great IMO.

Good point. OVERRATED may be a bit strong ...

Watching games in the 2000's, I felt the same way as you. Dude was everywhere on the court. A true ballhawk.

[DMAVS41]

Kobe has had much better season last year over Duncan. Kobe finished top 4 in MVP voting while Duncan had zero votes and did not finish in top 5 (2012-2013).Honestly speaking Kobe has been the better player since 07. You can give TD this year due to Kobe injury only playing six games. Kobe was the best player of 2000's decade.

I actually thought Duncan was just a better player than Kobe last year overall...just too easy to gun for ppg and not even try to fake playing defense.

Also, Kobe not playing at all in the playoffs hurts him. Injuries are a part of this.

Also think 07 Duncan is under-rated.

I think 08 was when Kobe separated himself from Duncan...although 08 Duncan is really under-rated here.

[jstern]

Hasn't Duncan always been ahead of Kobe all time? Especially 2 years ago whenever anyone mentioned their all time list? Since then Kobe has chocked against Mavericks, had a dream team that only made the playoff with the help of 5 games or so in a row with very questionable late in the game calls. Has missed a whole season, and that all of a sudden that places him ahead of Tim Duncan, who by luck didn't get another ring last year?

[rmt]

Am I taking him over Kobe? Yeah. Probably. But dont pretend I wouldn't need a GOAT coach and stacked teams to win w/ him, either.

Honestly? I find Duncan overrated. Aside from "rangz", not much separates he and KG.

You call this a stacked team?

2003 playoffs

Parker 14.7 pts / 3.5 assts 40.3%
SJax 12.8 pts / 4.2 reb 41.4%
Manu 9.4 pts / 3.8 reb 38.6%

especially compared to

2009 playoffs

Gasol 18.3 pts / 10.8 rebs / 2.5 assts / 2 blks 58%
Odom 12.3 pts / 9.1 rebs / 1.3 blk 52.4%
Ariza 11.3 pts / 4.2 rebs 49.7%

2010 playoffs

Gasol 19.6 pts / 11.1 rebs / 3.5 assts / 2.1 blks 53.9%
MWP 11.2 pts / 4 rebs 39.8%
Fisher 10.3 pts / 2.8 assts 44.8%
Odom 9.7 pts / 8.6 rebs 46.9%

Which team looks more stacked to you? And Pop was hardly a GOAT coach in 03 having won only 1 championship.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Hasn't Duncan always been ahead of Kobe all time? Especially 2 years ago whenever anyone mentioned their all time list? Since then Kobe has chocked against Mavericks, had a dream team that only made the playoff with the help of 5 games or so in a row with very questionable late in the game calls. Has missed a whole season, and that all of a sudden that places him ahead of Tim Duncan, who by luck didn't get another ring last year?
So far I've read from these guys:

Kobe's 04-05 Lakers were as good as the 02-03 Spurs, maybe even better.

12-13 Lakers were a dream team

Keep em coming :lol

[Odinn]

Conragts to Deuce.

Since his guy Kobe is injured and coz of this, not that relevant to the league right now, he has found a way to mention him with discrediting Duncan as usual.

Like there isn't enough Duncan vs. Bryant threads already which he participated.


Good job Deuce. Good job. Well done.:applause:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Actually Kobe was too busy shutting down Derek Anderson, for the few minutes that he played, along with 38 year old PG Terry Porter.

:oldlol:


for 2001 at least, which is apparently when the "Legend" began...........
33.3 ppg, 7 rpg, 7 apg, 51%FG 57%TS vs the #1 defense in the league sweeping them and winning the series by an average of 22 ppg which is the highest average margin of victory in conference finals history. Not the stuff of legends doe. Finishing off the Western conference playoffs with an 11-0 record with Bean averaging 32/7/6 on 49%FG/58%TS, not the stuff of legends. Lakers finish off the playoffs with a 15-1 record which is the best playoff record of alltime and with an average margin of victory of 12.75 ppg which from what I know is second only to the '71 Bucks. Bean averaged 29.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 6.1 apg, 46.9%FG, 55.5%TS. No finals MVP so we just gonna ignore it, but Duncan averages 24/12/3 on 53%TS in the 05 playoffs and wins Finals MVP with an amazing 21/14 on 47.1%TS gets full credit and was the stuff of legends because he was "the man"! Oh also lets not forget the incredible 07 ring as the man. 22/12/3 :bowdown: and a Finals of 18/12/4 on 48%TS :bowdown:

[T_L_P]

How does one surpass that of which he is already ahead? :confusedshrug:

This

[houston]

no he wouldn't

[Quickening]

Duncan is already ahead, better longevity, better all round player.

[russwest0]

If Duncan wins another ring, then yes, he surpasses Kobe all time.

[toxicxr6]

Kobe stand always bring up the 5>4 argument because they have nothing else..
If Duncan gets another ring.. That stat is dead... And so will be any Kobe Stan that thinks kobe > Duncan

Everyone else already has Duncan > Kobe.. As it should be..

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe stand always bring up the 5>4 argument because they have nothing else..
If Duncan gets another ring.. That stat is dead... And so will be any Kobe Stan that thinks kobe > Duncan

Everyone else already has Duncan > Kobe.. As it should be..
Kobe over Duncan
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history

http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-10-nba-players-of-all-time.html

http://www.sportscity.com/whos-the-best-of-all-time-the-top-10-players-in-nba-history/2013/04/05/

http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/12/top-ten-greatest-nba-players?page=5

http://m.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time

http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/05/top-10-best-nba-players-of-all-time/

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2013/03/top-50-nba-players-of-all-time/#45

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/404920-the-nbas-top-50-players-of-all-time

http://basketballjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/07/ranking-top-100-players-in-nba-history.html?m=1

http://www.celticslife.com/2013/01/ranking-top-ten-players-in-nba-history.html?m=1

http://waldersworldofsports.com/2011/11/11/walder-top-10-greatest-players-in-nba-history/

http://www.interbasket.net/news/6831/2010/06/jordan-magic-bird-in-top-5-nba-players-all-time-kobe-bryant-8/


Duncan over Kobe
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/slam_500_greatest.html

http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2012/12/greatest-nba-players-of-all-time.html?m=1

[Deuce Bigalow]

Top 5 NBA Players of All-Time: Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kobe Bryant #8

Before the 2010 NBA finals began, Interbasket asked 54 sportswriters, analysts, and basketball experts from around the country to name the top 5 NBA players of all-time. Not a completely surprising list, but there are some interesting results.

The list of voters include Fran Blinebury, Woody Paige, Stephen A. Smith, Kevin Cowherd, Dave D’Alessandro, among others. Here are the results of our survey:

1. Michael Jordan 50 of 54 (92.6%)
2. Magic Johnson 44 of 54 (81.5%)
3. Wilt Chamberlain 37 of 54 (68.5%)
4. Larry Bird 35 of 54 (64.8%)
5. Bill Russell 30 of 54 (55.6%)
6. Oscar Robertson 24 of 54 (44.4%)
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 22 of 54 (40.7%)
8. Kobe Bryant 10 of 54 (40.7%)

Others Receiving Votes: Kobe Bryant (10), Elgin Baylor (4), Julius Erving (3), Jerry West (3), Tim Duncan (2), Lebron James (2), Shaquille O’Neal (2), Karl Malone (1), Hakeem Olajuwon (1).

http://www.interbasket.net/news/6831/2010/06/jordan-magic-bird-in-top-5-nba-players-all-time-kobe-bryant-8/

[Deuce Bigalow]

Prosportsdaily NBA forum's top 50

http://forums.prosportsdaily.com/showthread.php?635088-PSD-s-Top-50-List-of-the-Greatest-NBA-Players-of-All-Time

The List:
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Magic Johnson
5. Bill Russell
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan

ISH's Top 100

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=282470

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon

[Artillery]

He's already ahead of Kobe. Another title won't change that. Lebron moves ahead of Kobe too after this post-season. Another title would cement it for LBJ.

[PsychoBe]

Top 5 NBA Players of All-Time: Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kobe Bryant #8

Before the 2010 NBA finals began, Interbasket asked 54 sportswriters, analysts, and basketball experts from around the country to name the top 5 NBA players of all-time. Not a completely surprising list, but there are some interesting results.

The list of voters include Fran Blinebury, Woody Paige, Stephen A. Smith, Kevin Cowherd, Dave D’Alessandro, among others. Here are the results of our survey:

1. Michael Jordan 50 of 54 (92.6%)
2. Magic Johnson 44 of 54 (81.5%)
3. Wilt Chamberlain 37 of 54 (68.5%)
4. Larry Bird 35 of 54 (64.8%)
5. Bill Russell 30 of 54 (55.6%)
6. Oscar Robertson 24 of 54 (44.4%)
7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 22 of 54 (40.7%)
8. Kobe Bryant 10 of 54 (40.7%)

Others Receiving Votes: Kobe Bryant (10), Elgin Baylor (4), Julius Erving (3), Jerry West (3), Tim Duncan (2), Lebron James (2), Shaquille O’Neal (2), Karl Malone (1), Hakeem Olajuwon (1).

http://www.interbasket.net/news/6831/2010/06/jordan-magic-bird-in-top-5-nba-players-all-time-kobe-bryant-8/

need anything else be said? kobe bean bryant is a legendary icon and player with more rings and holds numerous records and won 5 championships in the span of a single decade, the only players that compares to that run are bill russel, magic johnson, and michael jeffery jordan.

he is a once a generation type player. that cannot be disputed.

[Deuce Bigalow]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7550260/where-does-kobe-bryant-rank

SportsNation Rankings

(Added points)

1.Michael Jordan (261,605)

2.Magic Johnson (201,242)

3.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (173,856)

4.Larry Bird (162,950)

5.Wilt Chamberlain (161,394)

6.Bill Russell (145,465)

7.Kobe Bryant (136,123)

8.Shaquille O'Neal (104,852)

9.Hakeem Olajuwon (82,288)

10.Tim Duncan (59,752)

Total SportsNation Votes:
27,619

[russwest0]

Kobe over Duncan
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/lists/Top-10-players-in-NBA-history

http://www.hoopsmanifesto.com/articles/basketball/top-10-nba-players-of-all-time.html

http://www.sportscity.com/whos-the-best-of-all-time-the-top-10-players-in-nba-history/2013/04/05/

http://thecelebritycafe.com/feature/2013/12/top-ten-greatest-nba-players?page=5

http://m.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time

http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/05/top-10-best-nba-players-of-all-time/

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2013/03/top-50-nba-players-of-all-time/#45

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/404920-the-nbas-top-50-players-of-all-time

http://basketballjournalist.blogspot.com/2011/07/ranking-top-100-players-in-nba-history.html?m=1

http://www.celticslife.com/2013/01/ranking-top-ten-players-in-nba-history.html?m=1

http://waldersworldofsports.com/2011/11/11/walder-top-10-greatest-players-in-nba-history/

http://www.interbasket.net/news/6831/2010/06/jordan-magic-bird-in-top-5-nba-players-all-time-kobe-bryant-8/


Duncan over Kobe
http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/slam_500_greatest.html

http://www.basesandbaskets.com/2012/12/greatest-nba-players-of-all-time.html?m=1

:lol :lol :lol :lol

ethered.... now lets see if he shows up

[Cold soul]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/7550260/where-does-kobe-bryant-rank

SportsNation Rankings

(Added points)

1.Michael Jordan (261,605)

2.Magic Johnson (201,242)

3.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (173,856)

4.Larry Bird (162,950)

5.Wilt Chamberlain (161,394)

6.Bill Russell (145,465)

7.Kobe Bryant (136,123)

8.Shaquille O'Neal (104,852)

9.Hakeem Olajuwon (82,288)

10.Tim Duncan (59,752)

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