If Spurs get swept in first round, how comfortably ahead of Kobe is Duncan still?

[Akrazotile]

:confusedshrug:

I say hes still well ahead of Kobe alltime by a WIDE margin.



Discuss.

[DFish24]

He needs another ring and Finals MVP to be ahead of Kobe. I don't count Duncan's 2005 FMVP as it was clearly Manu's.

[J Shuttlesworth]

IMO to get behind Kobe, he'd have to go 6-24 or worse in game 7 of the finals. Otherwise, he still has a comfortable lead ahead of Kobe. IMO, Duncan is about #10, and Kobe should be #11.

#behindbe
#knockedoutofthetop10be
#almostasgoodasduncanbe

[J Shuttlesworth]

He needs another ring and Finals MVP to be ahead of Kobe. I don't count Duncan's 2005 FMVP as it was clearly Manu's.
20/14 :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Deuce Bigalow]

20/14 :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
.471 TS% :oldlol:

FMVP Manu .637 TS% :bowdown:

[YouGotServed]

:confusedshrug:

I say hes still well ahead of Kobe alltime by a WIDE margin.


Discuss.

:applause: Quality thread, 5'*, will read again.

[DFish24]

20/14 :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

.471 TS% :roll: :roll:

[DFish24]

.471 TS% :oldlol

FMVP Manu .637 TS% :bowdown:

This, Manu got robbed.

[moe94]

He needs another ring and Finals MVP to be ahead of Kobe. I don't count Duncan's 2005 FMVP as it was clearly Manu's.

What were the TS% of Kobe's 09 and 10 FMVPs?

[J Shuttlesworth]

.471 TS% :roll: :roll:
Laker fans talking TS :lol Your boy Kobe should have never been an FMVP then.

[J Shuttlesworth]

And anyone who watched the series knows Duncan was the main main for the Spurs, especially on the defensive end. Ginobli got hot. If you consider Ginobli the FMVP, you pretty much have to consider Gasol to be FMVP over Kobe

[Solefade]

He needs another ring and Finals MVP to be ahead of Kobe. I don't count Duncan's 2005 FMVP as it was clearly Manu's.


just like how pau was robbed in 2010 :confusedshrug:

[DFish24]

just like how pau was robbed in 2010 :confusedshrug:

Wrong. There was talk that Kobe should win FMVP even if the Lakers lost. Manu was clearly the best player of the Spurs series. .471 TS% especially for a big is just laughable :lol

[DonDadda59]

Wrong. There was talk that Kobe should win FMVP even if the Lakers lost. Manu was clearly the best player of the Spurs series. .471 TS% especially for a big is just laughable :lol

2009- Bean .525 TS%, Gasol .647 TS%
2010- Bean .528 TS%, Gasol .556 TS%

Pau was clearly the best player on the Lakers and should have 2 finals MVPs, right? :confusedshrug:

And seeing as how Bean is chilling at home eating massive amounts of salary cap while Timmy is once again leading the Spurs to the best record in the league, safe to say whatever happens in the playoffs doesn't change the fact that Timmy>Bean.

[J Shuttlesworth]

2009- Bean .525 TS%, Gasol .647 TS%
2010- Bean .528 TS%, Gasol .556 TS%

Pau was clearly the best player on the Lakers and should have 2 finals MVPs, right? :confusedshrug:

And seeing as how Bean is chilling at home eating massive amounts of salary cap while Timmy is once again leading the Spurs to the best record in the league, safe to say whatever happens in the playoffs doesn't change the fact that Timmy>Bean.
:applause: :lol

[SCdac]

The desperation from Kobe stans is getting sad :facepalm

Your savior is going on 2 straight years watching the playoffs from home so I guess I can understand

[Solefade]

2009- Bean .525 TS%, Gasol .647 TS%
2010- Bean .528 TS%, Gasol .556 TS%

Pau was clearly the best player on the Lakers and should have 2 finals MVPs, right? :confusedshrug:

And seeing as how Bean is chilling at home eating massive amounts of salary cap while Timmy is once again leading the Spurs to the best record in the league, safe to say whatever happens in the playoffs doesn't change the fact that Timmy>Bean.


/thread :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

Again, for the Pau was better than Kobe enthusiasts , what was the Grizzles record in 08 before Gasol was traded and what was the LAkers record before he came.

Let's proceed.

[DMV2]

Again, for the Pau was better than Kobe enthusiasts , what was the Grizzles record in 08 before Gasol was traded and what was the LAkers record before he came.

Let's proceed.
who cares, they didnt win in '08. pau got robbed of fmvp in '09 and '10 via ts% according to dfish24.

[RichieW]

The question Kobe fans should be asking is if they will ever see Bean in the playoffs again.

I genuinely don't know which team Lakers would finish ahead to make the playoffs next year, especially considering the Pelicans will almost certainly be better in 14/15.

[RichieW]

Again, for the Pau was better than Kobe enthusiasts , what was the Grizzles record in 08 before Gasol was traded and what was the LAkers record before he came.

Let's proceed.

04/05
Lakers 34-48
Grizz 45-37

05/06
Lakers 45-47
Grizz 49-33

06/07
Lakers 42-40
Grizz 22-60

Grizz had better record in 2 of the 3 seasons between the Shaq trade and Pau trade

[HOoopCityJones]

04/05
Lakers 34-48
Grizz 45-37

05/06
Lakers 45-47
Grizz 49-33

06/07
Lakers 42-40
Grizz 22-60

Grizz had better record in 2 of the 3 seasons between the Shaq trade and Pau trade

This looks pretty an all but it didn't lead to any deep playoff births.

Besides, you tried to completely sidestep my actual question.

What was their record in 08 compared to the LAkers before Gasol being traded?

[The-Legend-24]

Didn't Dumbcan lose as a 1 seed in the 1st round? :oldlol:

Nikka has never defended his title like a real GOAT does.

Nikka hasn't even gone to consecutive finals. :oldlol:

Was reduced to being a role player on his team for years, yet they still won 60+ games. :oldlol:

Yet people rank this nikka over Kobe and Shaq. :oldlol:

[DFish24]

Didn't Dumbcan lose as a 1 seed in the 1st round? :oldlol:

Nikka has never defended his title like a real GOAT does.

Nikka hasn't even gone to consecutive finals. :oldlol:

Was reduced to being a role player on his team for years, yet they still won 60+ games. :oldlol:

Yet people rank this nikka over Kobe and Shaq. :oldlol:

This, Duncan gets carried to the Finals as a 3rd-4th wheel then blows a layup to cost his team the Title:facepalm

[DMV2]

Shaq > Timmy >>>>> Gimpbe

[imdaman99]

IMO to get behind Kobe, he'd have to go 6-24 or worse in game 7 of the finals. Otherwise, he still has a comfortable lead ahead of Kobe. IMO, Duncan is about #10, and Kobe should be #11.

#behindbe
#knockedoutofthetop10be
#almostasgoodasduncanbe
How about missing an easy layup to tie a Finals game 7 with 30 seconds left? Will that do it?

[DaSeba5]

Kobe is not even ahead of Duncan to me. It's 7.) Duncan, 8/9.) Shaq or Kobe

[Deuce Bigalow]

2009- Bean .525 TS%, Gasol .647 TS%
2010- Bean .528 TS%, Gasol .556 TS%

Pau was clearly the best player on the Lakers and should have 2 finals MVPs, right? :confusedshrug:

And seeing as how Bean is chilling at home eating massive amounts of salary cap while Timmy is once again leading the Spurs to the best record in the league, safe to say whatever happens in the playoffs doesn't change the fact that Timmy>Bean.
Nope

09 - Kobe 32.4 ppg, Pau 18.6 ppg
10 - Kobe 28.6 ppg, Pau 18.6 ppg

In 09 Pau was very efficient but Kobe scored too many more ppg. In 2010 Pau had only a 3%TS advantage which is not big enough especially when you average 10 less ppg.

Manu vs Duncan
05 - Manu .637 TS%, Duncan .471 TS% :roll:

Per game stats are unfair to compare because Manu averaged 4.7 fewer mpg. But per minute, Manu was the leading scorer .520 vs .505 for Duncan. And that's with taking 44 less shots :oldlol:

[T_L_P]

This, Duncan gets carried to the Finals as a 3rd-4th wheel then blows a layup to cost his team the Title:facepalm

Who were the 2-3 guys better than him?

[DonDadda59]

Nope

09 - Kobe 32.4 ppg, Pau 18.6 ppg
10 - Kobe 28.6 ppg, Pau 18.6 ppg

In 09 Pau was very efficient but Kobe scored too many more ppg. In 2010 Pau had only a 3%TS advantage which is not big enough especially when you average 10 less ppg.

Manu vs Duncan
05 - Manu .637 TS%, Duncan .471 TS% :roll:

Per game stats are unfair to compare because Manu averaged 4.7 fewer mpg. But per minute, Manu was the leading scorer .520 vs .505 for Duncan. And that's with taking nearly 60 less shots :oldlol:

2005 Finals FGA
Duncan: 129
Ginobli: 85
Difference: 44 shots

2009 Finals FGA
Bean: 135
Gasol: 60
Difference: 75 shots

2010 Finals FGA
Bean: 163
Gasol: 90
Difference: 73 shots

For as wide a difference as there was between FGA between Bean and Gasol, the scoring margin should've been much wider, especially in 2010. And of course you don't want to compare per game stats between Duncan and Manu because Timmy put up 20/14/2/2 vs 19/6/4 for Manu. :lol

[DMV2]

2005 Finals FGA
Duncan: 129
Ginobli: 85
Difference: 44 shots

2009 Finals FGA
Bean: 135
Gasol: 60
Difference: 75 shots

2010 Finals FGA
Bean: 163
Gasol: 90
Difference: 73 shots

For as wide a difference as there was between FGA between Bean and Gasol, the scoring margin should've been much wider, especially in 2010. And of course you don't want to compare per game stats between Duncan and Manu because Timmy put up 20/14/2/2 vs 19/6/4 for Manu. :lol
I thought 163 shots in 7 games was pathetic but then I did realized 135 in 5 is even more :facepalm worthy. 27 shots a game, in a 4-1 series? I know a couple of those games were close but still. Chuckbe :kobe: , no shame.

[rmt]

It's sad that these Kobe stans have nobody to watch and nothing to do but start these useless Kobe vs Duncan threads.

[toxicxr6]

Duncan's legacy is already set...if anything the fact that he can still lead his team to contend at his age just adds to it


While Kobe makes 800k/week sitting at home watching his utube highlights.. When he could be playing already

[DJ Leon Smith]

Didn't Dumbcan lose as a 1 seed in the 1st round? :oldlol:

Didn't Kobe miss the playoffs in his prime?

[rmt]

Didn't Dumbcan lose as a 1 seed in the 1st round? :oldlol:

Nikka has never defended his title like a real GOAT does.


I'd say the first round loss was more on Manu injuring his arm in the last game of the regular season (why Pop played him is unfathomable) and Pop leaving Splitter on the bench until game 4 opting for the Turd Towers (Bonner and Blair) instead. Not one of Pop's finer stretches.

Bird also never defended his title - shouldn't he be on a GOAT list?

[Vienceslav]

At this point only thing that moves these guys up or down on the all time list is a ring, maybe even that is not enough, FMVP might be needed.

[Harison]

Duncan is already ahead of Kobe, he is Top9 and Kobe Top10, and 1st round exit wouldnt change that.