Charles Barkley ~ 32Pts/14Rbs/3Asts Vs Lakers (1990)

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The Most Skilled & Power-Energy PF :applause:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znjYOX0_eCA

:bowdown:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Power-Energy PF:roll: :roll: :roll: this nikka juss makin up words to make Chuck look better:roll: :roll:
LOL @ Chuck more skill than KG, Dirk or Timmy:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[sportjames23]

Sir Charles GOAT power forward. :bowdown:

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Power-Energy PF:roll: :roll: :roll: this nikka juss makin up words to make Chuck look better:roll: :roll:
LOL @ Chuck more skill than KG, Dirk or Timmy:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Charles Was The Best "Mix of Power and Skill" at the PF Position Ever. And By A Large Margin! :confusedshrug:

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Sir Charles GOAT power forward. :bowdown:

:applause:

[Fire Colangelo]

Power-Energy PF:roll: :roll: :roll: this nikka juss makin up words to make Chuck look better:roll: :roll:
LOL @ Chuck more skill than KG, Dirk or Timmy:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

KG, Dirk and Duncan are all bigger than Barkley. Yet he dominate just as much if not even more (I'm going with the latter) in his peak, why do you think that was? He was fvcking skilled.

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KG, Dirk and Duncan are all bigger than Barkley. Yet he dominate just as much if not even more (I'm going with the latter) in his peak, why do you think that was? He was fvcking skilled.

[B]:applause: They Where Taller But They Where Not Bigger. Barkley

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[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]:applause: They Where Taller But They Where Not Bigger. Barkley

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At :20 seconds in, screen flashes that Barkley is top 10 in scoring, rebounding, steals, and 1st in FG%....:bowdown:

:24 seconds in, left hand tip dunk:bowdown:

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Woah, woah..I'm with you...Barkley :bowdown:

But, this is disrespectful to Duncan and Hakeem....still trying to decide if this is disrespectful to Jeffrey also but are we just talking big men post games?

[B]I ment in terms of Effectivness in "Inside Scoring". Hakeem had the "best footwork of any center ever", Duncan was modern type "somewhat" version of McHale with "better handles", Shaq was the "most dominant brutal power inside scorer ever" and Barkley was the "combination of a center and a guard at 6

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At :20 seconds in, screen flashes that Barkley is top 10 in scoring, rebounding, steals, and 1st in FG%....:bowdown:

:24 seconds in, left hand tip dunk:bowdown:

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How Many Players Today Are Top 10 In 4 Categories? Very Few I Might Add.

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How Many Players Today Are Top 10 In 4 Categories? Very Few I Might Add.
Just doing some quick research, I don't think there's anybody in the NBA currently in the top 10 in four different categories...at least not 4 different major categories....Deandre Jordan comes closest, he's top 10 in fg%, rebs, and bpg...

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Just doing some quick research, I don't think there's anybody in the NBA currently in the top 10 in four different categories...at least not 4 different major categories....Deandre Jordan comes closest, he's top 10 in fg%, rebs, and bpg...

[B]And There Are Some Trolls Here That Say Barkley Couldn

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[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]And There Are Some Trolls Here That Say Barkley Couldn

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

KG, Dirk and Duncan are all bigger than Barkley. Yet he dominate just as much if not even more (I'm going with the latter) in his peak, why do you think that was? He was fvcking skilled.
He had the strength of 3 adult men and was as athletic/naturally physically talented than any big ever not named DRob, Shaq or Wilt

[Dro]

The top 10 scoring and first in fg% is like Shaq, Wilt, Kareem type stuff....The more points you score, the lower your fg% should generally be since you're taking a lot of shots....

[sekachu]

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The Most Skilled & Power-Energy PF :applause:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znjYOX0_eCA

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Charles Barley is a beast. His speed and leaping ability are so amazing that doesn't match his body and height. He knows how to use his strength and size that nobody utilize better than him. His only weakness is his poor shooting.

[Dro]

Charles Barley is a beast. His speed and leaping ability are so amazing that doesn't match his body and height. He knows how to use his strength and size that nobody utilize better than him. His only weakness is his poor shooting.
He improved his shooting tremendously over the course of his career though...

[Vienceslav]

Question for OP, have you ever seen Barkley play in person?
Just curious.

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Question for OP, have you ever seen Barkley play in person?
Just curious.

Nope But I Watched Alot of His Games During The Early-Mid 90s.

I Did Get To Watch Magic Play Live in Person Though, Great Times!

[TheMarkMadsen]

for somebody with the amount of "impact" as the OP claims Barkley had..he sure has a lot of rings and finals appearances to show for it :oldlol:

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for somebody with the amount of "impact" as the OP claims Barkley had..he sure has a lot of rings and finals appearances to show for it :oldlol:

[B]Team Achievements Again :rolleyes: :facepalm :no: . Just Watch Him Play and See For Yourself How Dominant He Was. Can

[Rake2204]

for somebody with the amount of "impact" as the OP claims Barkley had..he sure has a lot of rings and finals appearances to show for it :oldlol:I thought Charles Barkley often had a wonderful impact on teams. I do not believe meaningful impact only results in Finals appearances or championships. Often, I think it could mean turning a team that'd likely win 38 games without you, into a 54 game winner advancing into the playoffs with you ('90 Sixers).

In other cases, when the team's already pretty good, a worthy impact could mean turning them into a championship contender ('93 Suns).

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for somebody with the amount of "impact" as the OP claims Barkley had..he sure has a lot of rings and finals appearances to show for it :oldlol:

[B]Team Thing Again :facepalm :rolleyes: :no: .

What Play-Off Games Does Kobe Have Compared To Prime Chuck

[RoseCity07]

Why is this considered a great game? Didn't Chris Webber have a 50 and 20 game? I know love has had like 20 games just like that. It's nothing special.

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Why is this considered a great game? Didn't Chris Webber have a 50 and 20 game? I know love has had like 20 games just like that. It's nothing special.

[B]This game just shows Chucks Dominance and Ability against the 2nd best team in the NBA at that moment. Chis Webber

[bdreason]

dem offensive rebounds. :bowdown:

[JohnFreeman]

Can you imagine Barkley playing today?

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Can you imagine Barkley playing today?

He would be the 2nd Best Player in the League.

[Im Still Ballin]

could have had a longer prime/better career if he had a little more work ethic and not end up round as fvck.

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could have had a longer prime/better career if he had a little more work ethic and not end up round as fvck.

[B]After age 31 he was constantly injured and that

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He would be the 2nd Best Player in the League.
:lol :lol :lol :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Lebron23]

Barkley should have been the 1990 NBA MVP.

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Barkley should have been the 1990 NBA MVP.

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[diamenz]

mad respect for the bark. he would mash potatoes under the basket today - nikkas just don't know

[Shep]

Barkley should have been the 1990 NBA MVP.
Barkley wasn't even top 7 most valuable in 1990

[diamenz]

Barkley wasn't even top 7 most valuable in 1990

goes to show u how strong the league was back then.

[Shep]

goes to show u how strong the league was back then.
Yeh it was tough back then. But is still tough today these days for example: in 2011, all things being equal, 1990 Barkley would not be top 6 most valuable. 2006 would see 1990 Barkley be 9th most valuable.

[T_L_P]

One of the five best Power Forwards in NBA history.

Great player :applause:

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Barkley wasn't even top 7 most valuable in 1990

Its Shep "The Number 1 Barkley Hater In ISH" Here Again :oldlol: :roll: :applause: and Trying to Underrate Charles like Always!!!!...

Well, Obviously He is a Sloan To-Stockton-To Malone-Co Parasitical System Dick Rider From That Era.

Charles Had More 1st Place MVP Votes Than Any Other Player in 1990. It Was 2 Voters That Did Not Put Charles In The Top 10 etc So Magic Got The MVP Undeserved: He Had a Way Better Supporting Cast Than Charles Had and Ofcourse Most Kids Where Brainwashed By The Magic Smile.

Charles Was and Will Always Be The REAL 1990 MVP! Period!

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One of the five best Power Forwards in NBA history.

Great player :applause:

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[aj1987]

for somebody with the amount of "impact" as the OP claims Barkley had..he sure has a lot of rings and finals appearances to show for it :oldlol:
:applause:

Dude is an all time great, but nobody gets more passes than him.

[QUOTE=Round Mound]Team Thing Again .

What Play-Off Games Does Kobe Have Compared To Prime Chuck

[Shep]

Its Shep "The Number 1 Barkley Hater In ISH" Hre Again :oldlol: :roll: :applause: and Trying to underrate Charles like Always!!!!...

Well, Obviously He is a Sloan To-Stockton-To Malone-Co Parasitical System Dick Rider From That Era.

Charles Had More 1st Place MVP Votes Than Any Other Player in 1990. It Was 2 Voters That Did Not Put Charles In The Top 10 etc So Magic Got The MVP Undeserved: He Had a Way Better Supporting Cast Than Charles Had and Ofcourse Most Kids Where Brainwashed By The Magic Smile.

Charles Was and Will Always Be The REAL 1990 MVP! Period!
Obviously you are a cheeseburger lover like Barkley. Only difference is you do not have a professional basketball career, you live in your mothers basement.

I would have voted for Barkley in the top 10 MVP season, 8th in fact. Nobody was brainwashed by "The Magic Smile", he was easily more valuable than Barkley, along with 7 others.

Michael Jordan is the real 1990 MVP, also an acceptable outcome would be co-MVP with David Robinson.

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Obviously you are a cheeseburger lover like Barkley. Only difference is you do not have a professional basketball career, you live in your mothers basement.

I would have voted for Barkley in the top 10 MVP season, 8th in fact. Nobody was brainwashed by "The Magic Smile", he was easily more valuable than Barkley, along with 7 others.

Michael Jordan is the real 1990 MVP, also an acceptable outcome would be co-MVP with David Robinson.

[B]And You Are A Pro Speaking? :oldlol: :applause: You Must Be The Pro That Hates On Barkley The Most. How Is That? Why Is That? Why Does a Pro Like You Hate On Charles The Way You Do? What Did Charles Do To You? :roll: :confusedshrug:

Magic Had A Way Better Supporting Cast Than Charles and Everbody in His Whole Career! Always Did! Proof Of That is When Magic Left, The Lakers Still Made The Play-Offs The Next Year. When Chuck Left? The Sixers Ofcourse Did Not! Same Thing With Jordan! He Had Scottie The Best SF of the 90s-& Best Perimeter Defender Ever = A Better 2nd Option That Any Other 90s Superstar Had : Not To Mention Defensive All Teamer Horace Grant and PHIL Jackson as Coach. When Jordan Left in 1993-94? What Happened? This Happened = Pippen = Just 2 Wins Less Than 92-93, Everybody SHot a Higher FG% Including Pippen and The Bulls Where Robbed Against The Knicks!

You Mean SOFTY-rob? You Mean That Guy That Had To Leave His Center Spot to Guard Charles in The 1993 Play-Offs and Failed? Prior To The Arrivial of Duncan He Was Schooled By Prime Charles and Prime Hakeem Big Time. If It Wasn

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Dude is an all time great, but nobody gets more passes than him.



- 50 pts 8 rbs 5 asts 3 stls on 66.4% TS
- 49 pts 4 rbs 10 asts 1 stl 1 blk on 79.1% TS
- 48 pts 16 rbs 3 asts 2 stls 1 blk on 64.2% TS
- 45 pts 10 rbs 3 asts 1 stl 1 blk on 58.4% TS

[B]Barkley = Superior Player to Kobe Bryant

EFF Will Agree
PER Will Agree
WS per 48 Min Will Agree
Shot Made/Missed Differential Will Agree
+/- Will Agree.

Kobe Bryant: The Most Overrated Superstar Ever!

Don

[Shep]

And You Are A Pro Speaking? You Must Be The Pro That Hates On Barkley The Most. How Is That? Why Is That? Why Does a Pro Like You Hate On Charles The Way You Do? What Did Charles Do To You?
How am I hating on Charles?

Magic Had Way Better Supporting Cast Than Charles and Everbody in His Whole Career! Always Did! Proof Of That is When Magic Left, The Lakers Still Made The Play-Offs The Next Year. When Chuck Left? The Sixers Ofcourse Did Not! Same Thing With Jordan! He Had Scottie The Best SF of the 90s-& Best Perimeter Defender Ever = A Better 2nd Option That Any Other 90s Superstar Had.
Both Magic and Barkley had similar supporting cast. Barkley had a very strong core group headed by Johnny Dawkins (14.3ppg, 3.0rpg, 7.4apg, 1.5spg), Hersey Hawkins (18.5ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.2apg, 1.6spg), and Mike Gminski (13.7ppg, 8.5rpg, 1.6apg, 1.3bpg).

The 76ers did not make the playoffs the year after Barkley left? They did not make the playoffs in his final year with them. :roll:

Barkley had more help than any other superstar throughout his career. Moses Malone, Julius Erving, Maurice Cheeks, Hersey Hawkins, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, and Scottie Pippen to name a few.
[QUOTE]You Mean SOFTY-rob? You Mean That Guy That Had To Leave His Center Spot to Guard Charles in THe 1993 Play-Offs and Failed? Prior To The Arrivial of Duncan He Was Schooled By Prime Charles and Prime Hakeem Big Time. If It Wasn

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How am I hating on Charles?

Both Magic and Barkley had similar supporting cast. Barkley had a very strong core group headed by Johnny Dawkins (14.3ppg, 3.0rpg, 7.4apg, 1.5spg), Hersey Hawkins (18.5ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.2apg, 1.6spg), and Mike Gminski (13.7ppg, 8.5rpg, 1.6apg, 1.3bpg).

[B]Im Sure Dawkins and Hawkins Where Better Players than DIVAC?, WORTHY? GREEN?, SCOTT? PIPPEN? GRANT? GET F-REAL Seb!

[I]You Don

[juju151111]

How am I hating on Charles?

Both Magic and Barkley had similar supporting cast. Barkley had a very strong core group headed by Johnny Dawkins (14.3ppg, 3.0rpg, 7.4apg, 1.5spg), Hersey Hawkins (18.5ppg, 3.7rpg, 3.2apg, 1.6spg), and Mike Gminski (13.7ppg, 8.5rpg, 1.6apg, 1.3bpg).

The 76ers did not make the playoffs the year after Barkley left? They did not make the playoffs in his final year with them. :roll:

Barkley had more help than any other superstar throughout his career. Moses Malone, Julius Erving, Maurice Cheeks, Hersey Hawkins, Kevin Johnson, Dan Majerle, Hakeem Olajuwon, Clyde Drexler, and Scottie Pippen to name a few.

Why are you talking about anything other than the subject matter? being the 1990 MVP.

Robinson was never schooled by Prime Barkley. Robinson won 17 of 30 Regular season games against Barkley. During these games Robinson outplayed Barkley to the tune of:

24.7ppg, 11.3rpg, 3.4apg, 1.3spg, and 2.5bpg on 52%fg
compared to
22.4ppg, 12.0rpg, 3.4apg, 1.7spg, and 0.6bpg on 46%fg

As for the playoffs? Robinson again, outplayed Barkley (5-5):

27.4ppg, 11.3rpg, 3.3apg, 1.5spg, and 3.0bpg on 52%fg
compared to
25.9ppg, 13.3rpg, 3.5apg, 1.7spg, and 1.3bpg on 45%fg

Robinson also outplayed Olajuwon, but that is another story


youtube generation :banghead:

It was a great shot, and I take my hat off to Robinson for putting his hand up and guarding a Power Forward on the perimeter (something that he was not used to doing)

Barkley was a pathetic playoff performer, including the following:

- his disgusting showing in 1987 (first round loser, pathetic 5-16 shooting in deciding game 5)
- 1989: outplayed by the oldest player on the roster (Cheeks), swept in first round
- 1990: barely getting by 7 seed Cleveland in first round thanks to Hersey Hawkins 39 points in deciding game 5, destroyed in second round.
- 1996: destroyed in the first round by David Robinson's Spurs
- 1997: pathetic showing while all his teammates step up. 16ppg, 43% conference finals.
1993 Drob got outplayed by Barkley and Peak Drob got manhandled by Hakeem **** out of here

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[B]And I Am Not Biased Like Seb

[Shep]

[QUOTE]Im Sure Dawkins and Hawkins Where Better Players than DIVAC?, WORTHY? GREEN?, SCOTT? PIPPEN? GRANT? GET F-REAL Seb!

You Don

[Shep]

1993 Drob got outplayed by Barkley and Peak Drob got manhandled by Hakeem **** out of here
:roll: lululuser. Who rattled your cage? Robinson is easily the better player, and had the better career. Better regular season, better playoffs. As for Olajuwon? Yes, he manhandled Robinson. Olajuwon is top 8 all-time - no shame in that. It doesn't take away from the fact that losers tend to take those 6 games to sum up Robinson's career without knowing things like Robinson owning a 30-12 record over Olajuwon during the regular season.

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Dawkins, Hawkins, and Gminski were all better than any player on the Lakers except for Magic and Worthy.

:no: Worthy, Divac, Scott & Green Individially > Gminski, Dawkins & Hawkins Individually NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.

Of course Jordan had Pippen and Grant, but after that 32 going on 84 year old Bill Cartwright was the next best on the roster, where as the 76ers had 5 players better than Cartwright.

Still Pippen & Grant > Any Player Not Named Charles Barkley in the Sixers Squad. :confusedshrug:

Past his prime was still good enough for top 2 small forward in 1985

Still Not The Same Doc As Before: You Can See The Decline

Season:

83-84: PER 22.9 (Good)
84-85: PER 20.0 (Good) (Rookie 284 lbs Barkley Not A Starter)
85-86: PER 17.4 (Average) (Barkley 1st Starter/Moses Gone For Play-Offs)
86-87: PER 17.0 (Average)

Play-Offs

83-84: PER 15.2 (Average)
84-85: PER 16.9 (Average)
85-86: PER 14.1 (Below Average/Role Player Level)
86-87: PER 14.9 (Below Average/Role Player Level)

More excuses :oldlol: . Top 2 Center in 1985, top 5 overall. Top 4 Center in 1986.

Barkley Played With Malone 1 and 1/2 Seasons (85-86: Play-Offs NO MOSES). OWNED

I am sure he passed the ball to Barkley at least 1 time on a fast break in his career. Cheeks was good enough to outplay Barkley in a playoff series. A top 4 point guard in 1986.

Not Really He Preferred Passing it To Old Broken Doc Instead of Young Barkley Running The Court Like A Beast and Its No Wonder That His APG Increased When Chuck Played With Him. Barkley Rarely Missed Fast Break Catch and Finish Plays. Doc Was Aging...

Actually it is Barkley who makes no one better. KJ's game suffered the most from Barkley's arrival. Johnson was a top 2 point guard in 1993, 1994, and 1995

Top 2 shooting guard in 1993

KJ Makes Others Better? :roll:

*1993 Suns: 62 Wins
*KJ Played In ONLY 49 GAMES
*SUNS HAVE A HIGHER WINNING WITHOUT HIM PLAYING

1993 NBA FINALS STATS

BARKLEY: 27.3 PPG/47.6% FG/13.0 RPG/5.5 APG/1.2 SPG/0.5 BPG/
K.JOHNS: 17.2 PPG/42.1% FG/3.0 RPG/6.5 APG/1.3 spg/0.3 BPG/

:confusedshrug:

Was his role eating cheeseburgers? because that was the only role he was successful in, in Houston.
Olajuwon was a top 2 center and top 5 overall in '97, top 4 center in '98. Drexler a top 2 shooting guard in '97, top 4 shooting guard in '98. Pippen was a top 2 small forward in '99.

They Where All To Old and Barkley Was Injured Constantly, He Gained Weight Cause He Also Lost Explosiveness and Mobility PASSED AGE 31-32. HE COULD NO LONGER USE HIS WEOPON of EXPLOSIVENSS/LEAPING ABILITY + WEIGHT.

Team achievement led by its best player :hammerhead:

62 Wins/KJ 49 Games MISSED and To The Finals By Barkley

Robinson outplayed Barkley overall - regular season, playoffs

Barkley was only 2 years older than Robinson you dumb ****. Quit making excuses for his failings.

Robinson Outplayed 96-00 INJURED+0LD+OVERWEIGHT Barkley....NOT 85-95 Barkley :no:

Barkley's career summed up:

- Drafted into a team 2 years removed from winning NBA championship

- Once his HOF teammates realised he was a fat, lazy SOB they no longer wanted to play with him.

He Was a Rookie in 84-85 NOT a Starter Till 85-86

85-86:

*Dr J PER Average
*Moses Leaves For The Play-Offs To The Bullets
*Andre Toney Sufferes Career Ending Injury

- Barkley was handed the reigns, once he realised he wasn't good enough decided to force a trade to a 53 win team

Barkley Was The Superstar That Had The Weakest Team in 1990 and Took Them To 53 Wins, Owning the Pistons Even At Their Home Court

- Gave up after 4 years, forced trade to a team 2 years removed from winning NBA championship, traded for bench players

- Failed at winning a championship with superstar help as a role player or as the best player, realised he was a loser, retired.

He Was A Role Player 96-00 U Said It. Finally U Admit It .

Barkley missed the playoffs (when it mattered) twice during his "prime", and was bounced out in the first round another 2 times :roll: .

Olajuwon owned Robinson in the '95 playoffs, yet Robinson destroys Olajuwon with 30 wins and 12 losses in the head to head in the regular season.

[B]*Hakeem Owned Robinson From 89-96: Hakeem

[WillC]

Thanks for sharing the video.

People (including me) sometimes forget how good Barkley was. How he dominated the boards at 6'4" is simply incomprehensible. His timing, instincts and athleticism really set him apart, despite his lack of height.

Definitely one of the very best players of the past 30 years.

[aj1987]

Barkley = Superior Player to Kobe Bryant
**** no! Kobe is one of the 8 greatest players to ever play in the NBA. Barkley is not. Even if you ignore championships and other team accolades, Kobe has him beat. Kobe is a career 25/5/5 player, over 17 years.


EFF Will Agree
PER Will Agree
WS per 48 Min Will Agree
Shot Made/Missed Differential Will Agree
+/- Will Agree.
Doesn't change the fact that Kobe absolutely destroyed his opponents and won 5 rings. Also doesn't change the fact that Kobe was better defensively than Berkley EVER was.


Kobe Bryant: The Most Overrated Superstar Ever!
Nope. Barkley is. How the **** is a dude ranked in the top 15 with no rings? I wouldn't mind if the dude actually played some sort of defense, but Barkley was a blackhole on that end. Dude literally played NO defense

[QUOTE=Round Mound]Don

[Shep]

Worthy, Divac, Scott & Green Individially > Gminski, Dawkins & Hawkins Individually NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT.
Dawkins, Hawkins, and Gminski were all better than any player on the Lakers except for Magic and Worthy.

Still Pippen & Grant > Any Player Not Named Charles Barkley in the Sixers Squad
Yet the 76ers had the advantage in 3 out of the 5 starting positions.

Still Not The Same Doc As Before: You Can See The Decline
I don't care for this PER. Past his prime was still good enough for top 2 small forward in 1985.

Played With Malone 1 and 1/2 Seasons (85-86: Play-Offs NO MOSES). OWNED
2 full seasons. 1985, 1986. Destroyed.

Not Really He Preferred Passing it To Old Broken Doc Instead of Young Barkley Running The Court Like A Beast and Its No Wonder That His APG Increased When Chuck Played With Him. Barkley Rarely Missed Fast Break Catch and Finish Plays. Doc Was Aging...
Actually he preferred to pass the ball to whoever was in the best position to score. Erving was still a top 2 small forward.

KJ Makes Others Better?

*1993 Suns: 62 Wins
*KJ Played In ONLY 49 GAMES
*SUNS HAVE A HIGHER WINNING WITHOUT HIM PLAYING

1993 NBA FINALS STATS

BARKLEY: 27.3 PPG/47.6% FG/13.0 RPG/5.5 APG/1.2 SPG/0.5 BPG/
K.JOHNS: 17.2 PPG/42.1% FG/3.0 RPG/6.5 APG/1.3 spg/0.3 BPG/
Kevin Johnson 1989 (first year as full time starter):
20.4ppg, 4.2rpg, 12.2apg, 1.7spg, 51%fg, 88%ft. Top 5 overall player. The Suns go from a 28-54 team to a 55-27 team making the conference finals.

Johnson also:
- Elevated Tom Chambers to the best power forward in NBA in 1989.
- Helped turn Jeff Hornacek into a top 5 shooting guard in 1990.
- Numerous role players have elevated their games, or had their peak year playing next to KJ

Barkley on the other hand? Locker room cancer, blamed teammates, blamed coaches, blamed management, cried to media, and displayed poor work ethic.

They Where All To Old and Barkley Was Injured Constantly, He Gained Weight Cause He Also Lost Explosiveness and Mobility PASSED AGE 31-32. HE COULD NO LONGER USE HIS WEOPON of EXPLOSIVENSS/LEAPING ABILITY + WEIGHT.
They were 2 years removed from winning a championship. They were all top 2 at their position. Not often do you get 3 top 2 players at their position on one team.

62 Wins/KJ 49 Games MISSED and To The Finals By Barkle
Great year by Barkley, he was good enough for top 3 overall that season. Unfortunately for him, this year was his only real good year in the league.

Robinson Outplayed 96-00 INJURED+0LD+OVERWEIGHT Barkley....NOT 85-95 Barkley
I've already destroyed this

He Was a Rookie in 84-85 NOT a Starter Till 85-86

85-86:

*Dr J PER Average
*Moses Leaves For The Play-Offs To The Bullets
*Andre Toney Sufferes Career Ending Injury
Actually he was a starter in 1985.

1986:
*Cheeks elevates his game, is now a top 4 point guard.

Barkley Was The Superstar That Had The Weakest Team in 1990 and Took Them To 53 Wins, Owning the Pistons Even At Their Home Court
Barkley had a very deep team. Unfortunately Barkley did not show up in the playoffs.

He Was A Role Player 96-00 U Said It. Finally U Admit It .
I am using your words, you described him as a fat role player by that stage.
[QUOTE]*Hakeem Owned Robinson From 89-96: Hakeem

[juju151111]

:roll: lululuser. Who rattled your cage? Robinson is easily the better player, and had the better career. Better regular season, better playoffs. As for Olajuwon? Yes, he manhandled Robinson. Olajuwon is top 8 all-time - no shame in that. It doesn't take away from the fact that losers tend to take those 6 games to sum up Robinson's career without knowing things like Robinson owning a 30-12 record over Olajuwon during the regular season.
I agree somewhat with you on Barkley, but Hakeem manhandled a peak MVP Drob. How did his 30-12 record help him against Hakeem come playoff time:facepalm

[Shep]

I agree somewhat with you on Barkley, but Hakeem manhandled a peak MVP Drob. How did his 30-12 record help him against Hakeem come playoff time:facepalm
exactly what point are you trying to make here?