Football/Soccer World Cup Players Only Tournament

[kc16]

Twas just a joke :cheers:



I know, it's all good.

[cos88]

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[Bosnian Sajo]

Would of swept my conference if Iamgine hadn't given a vote to Wiggans just because "everyone voted sajo" :lol

[cos88]

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alenleomessi - cos88


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9735063&postcount=13

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9736405&postcount=29

[cos88]

bump

[b1imtf]

cos88 since alen knocked me out.

[cos88]

bump

[alenleomessi]

cos88 since alen knocked me out.
:rolleyes:

[cos88]

all the guys involved should vote to finish this tournament.

you still have 48h left then the final is up

[Bosnian Sajo]

I vote Alen, better overall team.

[kc16]

Alen gets my vote, that midfield is good which will help him prevail in this matchup, both offensively and defensively.

[cos88]

2-1 alen. lazy to see what gmt or est time will i stop this matchup but i'll let it 29 more hours (3 days overall). if tied sudden death. everybody involved in this tournament should vote

[Overdrive]

I think I already gave my reasons why I like Alen's team and what is cos' achilles heel.

All in all I think cos you build teams with great offensive chemistry, but going by all three tournaments so far alen is one of if not the best guy here to build a team that has good chemistry top to bottom.

[cos88]

i have no problems losing here as i made 3 big mistakes.

one was choosing higuain so early when same tier forwards were still available even if late rounds. next one was choosing pedro, when he wasn't even on my shortlist just because he was one of the best players available at that point. the third one was not choosing a defensive central midfielder earlier. in round 6 or 7 there weren't any good defensive midfielders available.

overall i think i did a fantastic job considering i was last to pick. if i was in the top 10 at least yaya toure or vidal would have been my picks considering they are box to box players and considering their nationality. in the second round pretty sure one of robben, muller or silva were still available.



but going by all three tournaments so far alen is one of if not the best guy here to build a team that has good chemistry top to bottom.

jasi:

all time tournament: won
current players tournament: second round
world cup tournament: second round

b1imtf:

all time tournament: second round
current players tournament: won
world cup tournament: second round

bosnian sajo:

all time tournament: second round
current players tournament: semifinal
world cup tournament: final with huge chances of winning

me:

all time tournament: did not enter
current players tournament: final
world cup tournament: semifinal still on

alen:

all time tournament: second round
current players tournament: semifinal
world cup tournament: semifinal still on

not sure about him making the best teams overall. sure up there at the top, but not the best.

[alenleomessi]

votes like the one from b1 is the reason why i wont win shit
i get under your skin in the football thread i get it, but its not my problem, its yours if you cant take some trolling
so i understand if you guys get mad at me schooling your ass in football knowledge

[cos88]

votes like the one from b1 is the reason why i wont win shit
i get under your skin in the football thread i get it, but its not my problem, its yours if you cant take some trolling
so i understand if you guys get mad at me schooling your ass in football knowledge

you're way to cocky, you lost 5-1 in first tournament and 8-4 ( against b1 ) the second one with mostly explained votes . dat schooling :lol :lol

[CeltsGarlic]

alen has a better team.

[Overdrive]

not sure about him making the best teams overall. sure up there at the top, but not the best.

In the AT tournament he made one mistake in taking Deco. For me it didn't kill his chances, because Deco was a good passer who fitted his plan, but most people gave him flack for it.

He ran into Jasi, who had the best team in the AT tournament, but I think alen had the second best with Sajo coming in at third.

And I also feel that his behaviour might play a role in how people vote. He's a jerk in the footy thread, but he does a good job in the drafts.

[cos88]

In the AT tournament he made one mistake in taking Deco. For me it didn't kill his chances, because Deco was a good passer who fitted his plan, but most people gave him flack for it.



to lazy to find out exactly but i remember him saying deco is better than gerrard, which didn't help him. also with hagi or stoichkov available and many others at that position of course people would bash him.

[Bosnian Sajo]

4-1 for Alen so far, first to 5 right?

[Overdrive]

to lazy to find out exactly but i remember him saying deco is better than gerrard, which didn't help him. also with hagi or stoichkov available and many others at that position of course people would bash him.

I wouldn't play Hagi in the middle. He was a playmaker, but he was more comfortable coming from the left - kinda like Nedved. I could see why someone wouldn't take him. Stoichkov was a striker/winger.

Can't remember the Gerrard quote, but that's stupid.

[alenleomessi]

dont see whats the big deal with deco, its not like he is some scrub.. he was as good if not better than gerrard during his prime in which he won 2 CL titles as the best and 2nd best player.. his passing and vision was off the charts
i also grew up watching him and he was pretty much my favorite player

should i say im sorry for not picking a player that you liked more?


anyway me and sajo would have swept our way to the final if it wasnt for one bullshit vote

[cos88]

I wouldn't play Hagi in the middle. He was a playmaker, but he was more comfortable coming from the left - kinda like Nedved. I could see why someone wouldn't take him. Stoichkov was a striker/winger.

Can't remember the Gerrard quote, but that's stupid.


maybe i'm based, hagi being from the same country with me but i have no doubt he is at least 1 tier better than deco overall and at his peak. he was best as a attacking midfielder that can roam in the flanks especially in the left side as you was saying. but considering this is a all time tournament and the fact he wasn't the quickest player on the field i would put him as a AM. his stunning passing game will make him best at that position with a potential quicker winger on the left.

Everybody can make everything they want, that makes this tournaments very interesting.

[cos88]

anyway me and sajo would have swept our way to the final if it wasnt for one bullshit vote

sajo didn't sweept his way through and i'm pretty sure b1 has reasons other than ''because you eliminated me'' for voting me


4-1 for Alen so far, first to 5 right?


well i said before the tournament 3 days for voting and the matchup was posted 48h ago, but considering i'm down 4-1 i will make the final matchup later tonight as now i have to go out. as i said i have no problem with losing against anybody so good luck for both you guys and may be best guy win.

[cos88]

http://www.ultraimg.com/images/IlyF.jpg


http://www.ultraimg.com/images/mACfb.jpg


alenleomessi vs bosniansajo

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9735063&postcount=13

vs

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9736518&postcount=32


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[cos88]

since nobody is voting i'll give it a go and say bosnian sajo. great team overall, best in this tournament and i don't see any matchup problems from alen. overall probably the best teams. no need for further explaining as i said what i like and what i don't throughout the tournament * sajo's biased coach, the lack of a defender on the bench, mascherano as a cd or alen's formation which i don't like etc*


see you in the other tournament. 2 spots still available.

[LJJ]

This is a worthy finals matchup. In a draft like this the talent is more limited so its fun to see what you guys can come up with.

Both teams have very few flaws, but no team is without slight flaws. For Sajo it has to do with positioning and for Alen it's just the talent level. Alen's backline is lacking some talent at this level of competition. Sajo has Nasri playing at 10 and Mascherano playing CB which is far from ideal.

I have to give this to Alen mostly due to matchups. Alen would win the midfield battle handidly I think, and that would leave a lot of force do push down on that weak Hummels-Masch partnership.

In addition Alen has a very good manager while Sajo has a huge liability there. In a close match up that turns into a pretty significant advantage.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Weak Hummels and Mascherano partnership? Oh LJJ :lol

[LJJ]

Weak Hummels and Mascherano partnership? Oh LJJ :lol

They are both good individual players.

But Mascherano is a DM who can only really play CB in Barcelona's oddball high defensive line system. In your squad he plays a traditional CB role and that's out of position for him. He is seriously tiny and underpowered for that position. Hummels is a good technical back. Best when he plays next to a brute stopper like he does at Dortmund. So as a CB partnership, it's not the best fit.

[alenleomessi]

alves is obviously weaker than masche but i think filipe-baines, vertonghen-hummels and maxi-srna are quite comparable
begovic is better than sirigu
i do think that he might have the best player in the field in vidal though but i think rest of the mid and attack is in my favor

[Jasi]

I would easily give it to alen if he flipped the mids' positions.
Like this, it will be closer. Sajo has been a regular contender in these drafts so props to him; he has a great midfield and I love Hazard, but I still think alen's team is overall more talented and solid almost everywhere.

[alenleomessi]

I would easily give it to alen if he flipped the mids' positions.
Like this, it will be closer. Sajo has been a regular contender in these drafts so props to him; he has a great midfield and I love Hazard, but I still think alen's team is overall more talented and solid almost everywhere.
well im really loving gerrard as a deep lying mid this season so i dont wanna change the positions.. plus de rossi has played this position alongside pirlo for italy and same for pogba.. so i think they would complement each other very well

[Bosnian Sajo]

Well this is a surprise, 2-1 atm for Alen.


Bump for more votes

[Bosnian Sajo]

alves is obviously weaker than masche but i think filipe-baines, vertonghen-hummels and maxi-srna are quite comparable
begovic is better than sirigu
i do think that he might have the best player in the field in vidal though but i think rest of the mid and attack is in my favor

Baines>>Filipe
Srna>>>Maxi
Hummels>Vertonghen (I'll agree though, these are more comparable than the other 2)

Baines is the best LB in the premier league, you saying a guy who isn't even the best LB in la liga is better than him? Srna has been at this stage before and shown what he can do, he is still playing great football for Shaktar and Croatia, and I know you feel the same way that he is a good notch above Maxi.

In my opinion, Hummels is a world class defender (evident from drafting him in the past 2 drafts), up there in the ranks with Ramos, Kompany, Chiellini, etc.
Vertonghen however, while still a great cb, is not at that world class level yet.

When it comes to midfield, Xabi is definitely better than Gerrard, come on now. Alonso is still at the prime of his career while Gerrard is in the twilight. Vidal > Pogba, that's a given. Better defensive team overall, if anyone can prove that wrong, please do so. My team also has much more diversity, much more ways to attack. Alen has 4 CM's and 2 ST's, and no wings. And if you try to say Filipe and Maxi would attack from the sides, then that'll leave a gaping hole in your defense every time. Hazard and Lucas would have a field day on the wings, his mids would be stretched and the middle of the field would be wide open with Nasri, Vidal, and Xabi all operating there along with Dzeko, who is a good passing striker. I feel like my team easily matches up better to this type of team than any other, and btw Alen, you know damn right only you and me think Begovic > Sirigu :lol

[LJJ]

Better defensive team overall, if anyone can prove that wrong, please do so.

Meh. It's all a matter of opinion but I don't think so and I think most people would agree with that.

His midfield is better defensively than your midfield by a lot. Baines and Srna are a bit better than Alen's backs on offense, but on defense they are most certainly not.

Bruno Alves might be lacking in talent, but the pieces fit. He's just below average in this draft, not a liability like Mascherano.

[alenleomessi]

Baines>>Filipe
Srna>>>Maxi
Hummels>Vertonghen (I'll agree though, these are more comparable than the other 2)

Baines is the best LB in the premier league, you saying a guy who isn't even the best LB in la liga is better than him? Srna has been at this stage before and shown what he can do, he is still playing great football for Shaktar and Croatia, and I know you feel the same way that he is a good notch above Maxi.

In my opinion, Hummels is a world class defender (evident from drafting him in the past 2 drafts), up there in the ranks with Ramos, Kompany, Chiellini, etc.
Vertonghen however, while still a great cb, is not at that world class level yet.

When it comes to midfield, Xabi is definitely better than Gerrard, come on now. Alonso is still at the prime of his career while Gerrard is in the twilight. Vidal > Pogba, that's a given. Better defensive team overall, if anyone can prove that wrong, please do so. My team also has much more diversity, much more ways to attack. Alen has 4 CM's and 2 ST's, and no wings. And if you try to say Filipe and Maxi would attack from the sides, then that'll leave a gaping hole in your defense every time. Hazard and Lucas would have a field day on the wings, his mids would be stretched and the middle of the field would be wide open with Nasri, Vidal, and Xabi all operating there along with Dzeko, who is a good passing striker. I feel like my team easily matches up better to this type of team than any other, and btw Alen, you know damn right only you and me think Begovic > Sirigu :lol
you are underrating the great seasons filipe and gerrard are having... both will absolutely make the league's best XI at the end of the season.. baines probably will too.. im not saying filipe is for sure better.. but they are having comparable seasons... srna has played at the biggest level, well maxi made a WC 1/2 with uruguay as an important peace in a formation without wingers.. how bigger than that can it get?
hummels and vertonghen are both technically polished defenders, both injury prone and both great with the right players around them but cant lead a defense on their own as seen this year with dortmund and spurs and all the injuries in defense they had

xabi is definitely not better than gerrard this season, are you kidding? ask any madrid fan about his form lately..
i have 4 cms? gotze isnt a CM lol.. he is an AM who is very often playing on the wing and basically switching during games.. same for kun.. i already said the formation switches during the game if thats needed.. gotze and kun go on the wings, i unleash pogba on offense and negredo is the lone striker
as for GKs even if we go by popularity begovic is still easily more recognizable than sirigu

[kc16]

Damn this is a tough match up, I really like both teams. I feel Sajo has a slight bit more creativity with his attacking players, Hazard and Lucas are great at the wings. Add in Vidal, Alonso and Nasri at the midfield. The one player I don't like is Dzeko, overrated IMO. The rest of your attack can definitely get the best out of him though. Messi attack is just as good, though not as creative. However what I like about messi's team is that his midfield is very versatile and can defend well, something I really like for my midfield. His midfield reminds me of my team in which they can attack as well as defend. I'll say Vidal overall is arguably the best midfielder from both teams, though I feel messi's midfield is overall better which is a big plus for me. Both back limes are okay to me, none of them scream out "great" to me, so it's a tie in my opinion. Though I would say that messi's midfield will be a better help to his defense than sajo IMO. With Capello as coach and with his history I'll give the edge to alenomessi.

I would've loved to see how my team would have fared against both these teams. Both your teams were on my radar when the bracket was out, unfortunately I did not make it that far.

[cos88]

a little surprised alen has 3-1. i guess the guys that voted for him are seeing something different from what i'm seeing

[cos88]

bump, other votes ?


i'll start the new tournament soon :confusedshrug:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Let it go for a while longer, it's the finals after all.

[cos88]

Let it go for a while longer, it's the finals after all.

ok, i just pm'd some posters to vote for the team they like.

[b1imtf]

Sajo for me.

[CeltsGarlic]

Oh shit, I thought I already voted. Alen

[Lebowsky]

Both teams are really nice, but I believe alen's defense makes a bit more sense and is stronger overall, especially the midfield. Baines, and especially Mascherano, are liabilities on defense. The only players in sajo's midfield who are competent and willing defenders are Xabi (who is great tactically and positionally, but lacks mobility) and Vidal. That'd probably give alen's midfield numerical and tactical superiority on offense. I'm not sold on Gerrard as DMF, but he'd get plenty of help from two great defenders in Pogba and De Rossi. I also don't 4-4-2 is a good fit with Capello (whom I personally hate with a passion), but overall I think alenleomessi has a slight edge, so my vote goes to him.

[alenleomessi]

looks like



http://media.giphy.com/media/TQh3nVXVx9Xlm/giphy.gif

[cos88]

congrats to alenleomessi for the only cup we will win in 2014, will make it official soon. :confusedshrug:

[cos88]

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alenleomessi vs bosniansajo 5 - 2

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9735063&postcount=13
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http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9736518&postcount=32


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some fun facts:

1. alen only lost 4 games all tournament while bosnian sajo prior to the finals lost 1 game vs wiggins.

2. the second out of 3 tournament when a team with 4-4-1-1 without a winger won ( after jasi in the 1st one )

3. alen had the 15th pick in the first round and selected aguero ( argentina )

4. sajo had the 10th pick and selected vidal ( chile )

5. best defensive line : sajo's baines - mascherano - hummels - srna, cos88's caceres - silva - cahill - lichtsteiner or kc16's cole - ramos - kompany - sagna.

6. best midfield trio: sajo's alonso - vidal - nasri , alen's pogba - gerrard - de rosi or ljj's moutinho - fernandinho - modric

7. best attack : cos88's robben - pedro - higuain, sajo's lucas - hazard - dzeko or kurple's ronaldo - alexis - bony

8. arbitrary water revolutionized the game of football with the the good ol' 2-1-2-1-2-2 formation


The Real Prize for alen
congrats



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[Jasi]

Congrats man